Hittin' the Links: The Lottery Balls Don't Drop; Pistons Will Draft 7th Overall
by Packey on May 19, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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PrintThe Pistons' lucky charm Steve Scott Perry didn't bring them any luck last night, but he also didn't bring any bad luck. Detroit will pick right where they were slotted when the season ended -- at No. 7. How anti-climatic.
- Vince Ellis of the Free Press says the Pistons will probably select from the following list:
Wake Forest forward Al-Farouq Aminu, Syracuse small forward Wesley Johnson, Baylor power forward Ekpe Udoh, Georgetown power forward Greg Monroe, Kansas center Cole Aldrich and North Carolina power forward Ed Davis.
- Bob Wojnowski thinks Davis and Udoh are the most intriguing.
- Past No. 7 picks in the 2000s include:
Stephen Curry, Eric Gordon, Corey Brewer, Randy Foye, Charlie Villanueva, Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich, Nene Hilario[us], Eddie Griffin, and Chris Mihm.
Richard Hamilton is also the product of a No. 7 pick. - At the Draft Lottery party, at Bahama Breeze in Troy, George Blaha told Eli Zaret that he doesn't believe the Pistons are a bad basketball team to begin with and thinks they were a playoff team in 2009-2010 without all the injuries. He adds that it will be almost impossible for the Pistons, who could've picked as low as No. 10, to get a bad player. Bless you, Blaha.
- GM Joe Dumars spoke with Matt Dery after learning the Pistons would be selecting No. 7 overall. Dumars said that the team needs a player who will make an impact in the rotation right away. He also said they "will not add a big for the sake of adding a big," will explore every avenue they can, and do whatever it takes to get back on top.
- Chad Ford has the Pistons picking MFMP's boy (not really), Al-Farouq Aminu, in his recent mock. That would leave other prominent mock draftees, Ed Davis and Greg Monroe, still available.
- Pistons also have the option of trading the pick. Detroit could either attempt to move up via trade or package the pick for proven talent. Joe Dumars said that he will keep all his options open. For the record, according to Adrian Wojnarowski, Houston and Portland will be working hard to move up via trade with Minnesota and New Jersey. Could the Pistons potentially get in on that? After all, there's already an interesting trade hypothetical involving Detroit and Minnesota from DBB's finest.
- Obviously, it was a kick in the nuts to see the Philadelphia 76ers, who had the same 5.3% odds as the Pistons, actually get lucky. They will pick No. 2 overall, and have a ton of options, while we all jokingly blame the stupid coin toss.
- The Washington Wizards won the lottery behind the luck of soon-to-be-ex-majority owner, Irene Pollin and will pick No. 1 overall. But, really, is she some kind of shapeshifting freak of nature? ESPN didn't seem to know either, as they mis-identified her as the Nets new owner and the 76ers' Jrue Holiday during the lottery.
- Here's a brief look at the Pistons draft history in the first round, as if it's some kind of pump up video for 2010:
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Udoh will be 23 on draft day. 23 year olds don’t have much “up-side” so they’d better be pretty frickin’ good in their last year in college. 14 ppg on 49% shooting isn’t going to get it done.
Doesn’t it seem wrong that the Wizards organization crumbled around their “star” player’s bone-headed gun play, and now they’re pretty much being rewarded for it? I know it was a long shot for them to get number one, but still……
It sure does seems like it, garrettelliott. Now the Wizards can look to conveniently jettison Gilbert Arenas ASAP and give John Wall his minutes.
And I still can’t believe the 76ers won the #2 pick. Ugh.
I'd bet a good amount of coin that they take Wall.
Flip is gushing about the kid, and they’re in love with his character- something the organization prizes, and Gilbert is entirely bereft of. They’ll take Wall for sure, great guy on and off the court.
"Someday pray that he will grow a farm barn full, Recent research shows its not so darn harmful"
That Brand-for-Arenas trade makes sense.
I’m positive Washington wants to cut all ties with Zero though.
"Someday pray that he will grow a farm barn full, Recent research shows its not so darn harmful"
First thought
Sessions and the 4th overall for Prince and the 7th assuming Cousins is still there?
It’ll never happen, but it’s the first thing that popped into my head.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
I’m 99.8% sure that the Nets will not pass on Cousins at #3. He’s a better fit for their team than Favors.
Yeah, I'm still in the bargaining stage of grief
Trying to convince myself that we can still get Boogie.
If he were to fall, the very reasons he would fall in the draft are the same reasons Dumars wouldn’t draft him.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
Favors is better fit next to Lopez than Cousins
by Quick Darshan on May 19, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't they said last night that there was a rumor running around that NJ did not like Cousins?
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
hopefully
that means he may fall to us.
Think about it, as dumb as ESPN’s writers are, one of them did a good job covering the draft. Here’s basically what he said: Wall will go 1 as expected. Next up, Wes Johnson may actually go second to Philly due to team needs. Favors should end up in NJ. The Wolves should end up taking Turner, which would actually very much fit their needs. Monroe would be a prototypical center for Sacktown due to his passing, so he may end up there. All that leaves then is GS, and Cousins would be a horrible fit there. Aminu or Davis would make much more sense.
So with all of that being said, Cousins may actually fall to us. Basically we only have to hope that either the 76ers or Kings don’t take him, and there’s a good chance Philly doesn’t (they’ve already committed to Brand, and Cousins isn’t mobile enough to fit their running style). As for Sacktown, we can only hope. Pick and roll between Tyreke and Cousins would be a bitch to guard, and Cousins could mask Landry’s lack of size. The only thing hindering them would be that Monroe fits their style due to his passing and superior finesse game.
If it comes down to Cousins vs Aldrich, I wouldn’t call it a shoo in for DeMarcus, but the choice is fairly clear. Aldrich is a much better helpside defender and defensive rebounder, but there’s plenty of reason to believe Cousins could learn those aspects later on, not to mention his offensive ceiling is enormous.
by bearded thundar on May 19, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be an amazing scenario. I’ll puke if that actually happens.
by garrettelliott on May 19, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be willing to drink it
If we got Cousins and Varnado/Parakhouski, and Joe at least makes an attempt towards Collison
by bearded thundar on May 19, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The 76ers pass up Evan Turner for Wesley Johnson? Then the Kings pass DeMarcus Cousins for Greg Monroe? Wow… I don’t know about this. But if this is what has to happen in order for DeMarcus Cousins to possibly fall all the way down to the Pistons, then I’m all for it.
just wondering
Have you even watched any of the players I’ve named? If you look at the roster of the teams and their history, it actually isn’t too far fetched.
Such as Philly. They already have their star playmaker in Iggy and neither he or Turner have an NBA 3 point shot. It would make more sense to keep Iggy at the 2 and have Johnson spread the floor/run the pick and roll than to have 2 ball dominant guards/forwards that can’t consistently hit their jumpers.
As for the Kings, that one is the only real stretch. However, historically ownership has gone after skilled bigs, such as Vlade and Webber, and Cousins would not be someone you could run the offense through. That becomes a bigger factor when you consider Tyreke is not a true point guard (albeit he is a very smart player that knows how to pass).
by bearded thundar on May 19, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think alot of teams don't like Cousins.
"Someday pray that he will grow a farm barn full, Recent research shows its not so darn harmful"
high risk high reward
Whoever takes him will either look like a genius or a dumbass. It’s just all about who’s brave enough to take the chance.
by bearded thundar on May 19, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing about that though:
unless Cousins is just a completely horrible asshole, Stephon Marbury’s mindset in a big man’s body, most NBA players don’t really freak out unless they get put on a team without any real discipline. Cousins would be okay in Detroit or Sacramento, where there’s some sort of discipline or order in place. Put him Golden State and Don Nelson is going tear the baby fat off of his face. On the other hand, you set Cousins down and say, “This ain’t the late nineties, and if you start pulling any Derrick Coleman bullshit, then you’re fucking out.” I think he’d straighten up. He’s not totally mature yet, but I think there are teams where he would mature and teams where he wouldn’t.
Either way, there’s a huge chance he’ll be my favorite NBA player someday, and he takes the spot immediately if the Pistons draft him. I love his game; his footwork is masterful, almost like a tap dancing grizzly bear.I’m buying his jersey for my dorm room next year either way, I’d just love to see him rock the number whatever in red and blue. He was a guy when I’d watch games, there’d be four or five moments where I would make a note of it and say, “Yeah, dude’s a bad ass.”
by Biz Markie Moon on May 20, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a lot of teams see Zach Randolph personality written all over him
and I tend to agree with them. That said, would Zach Randolph on a rookie contract help the fuck out of this team? YOU’RE FUCK FUCKING RIGHT IT WOULD!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Any mention of Z-Bo automatically makes me think of this....
by garrettelliott on May 19, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally put that in a book presentation I did last year in 11th grade English.
Made an A.
by Biz Markie Moon on May 19, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What book could possibly have used that image in a presentation? I would have given you an A+.
by garrettelliott on May 19, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Grapes of Wrath.
The best part was, I pretty much admitted I was looking for an excuse to use the picture. Of course, nobody knew who Zach Randolph was.
by Biz Markie Moon on May 20, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and the Pistons might be one of them
Joe passed on Chris Douglas-Roberts because he wouldn’t work out here, how easy would it be for him to pass on Cousins because of red flags that come up.
I could see a scenario where Cousins and Aldrich are there and the Pistons go with Aldrich. I would start throwing things, but that doesn’t mean it won’t happen.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
how is that a fair comparison?
CDR not working out here had a lot more to do with his ego and own desires than potential chemistry problems. Had he came to one of the group workouts (which he got not 1 but 2 invites) he would be a Piston right now. I’m certain they’ll be scouting Cousins in Chicago, and they’ll likely bring him back to Detroit for further investigation by Kander (to see what his physical potential would be).
by bearded thundar on May 20, 2010 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions
If Cousins is available
And Dumars passes, I think the fire Joe D. train is going to start.
by Kevin Sawyer on May 20, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll shovel on more dog to get it out of the station on time too.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I’ll be in the dining car, ordering an expensive sandwich. But I’d have to decide between the A.I.talian Sub and the Curry Cuban.
Could you order me a Rodney Rogers Reuben with a side of Cleaves Cut Fries?
OOOOOO! and I’ll have a Darko Chocolate Mousse Cake for dessert.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on May 20, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
about CDR not working out for the stones.
cdr’s not working out for the pistons wasnt due to his ego, but his desire to leave detroit. he felt like if he stuck around here bad things would happen to him and after living in detroit his whole life he had just had enough of the city. its an attitude i can understand even if i dont like it.
could be true
I only heard that he didn’t work out for the Pistons because he didn’t think he’d fall that far. But I find that also very understandable
by bearded thundar on May 20, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that Russian gangster is gonna buy #1 overall for 50 bajillion russian dollars.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
You're Catching On
Russian+sudden billionaire=thug
by V. on May 19, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
"Mr. Prokhorov want you to watch your mouth. Is no thug"
"Someday pray that he will grow a farm barn full, Recent research shows its not so darn harmful"
The video
I’m not a draft expert, but I think they skipped over some picks, like Rodney White, Mateen Cleaves, Scot Pollard and Fennis Dembo.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
Yeah I'm pretty sure that the way the coin toss works
If we we had won, we would have had the ball combination that was drawn for Philadelphia. So the coin toss actually did fuck us over. If we had simply lost to Minnesota, we would have had the ball combination that was drawn as well.
So yeah, Charlie Villanueva and coin based currency both fucked us hard.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
not true
At least according to Keith, the coin flip would have given Philly the advantage had neither team moved up to the top 3. They had the same number of ping pong balls in play, meaning that Philly only won because their ball was drawn, not because they had an edge over us
by bearded thundar on May 19, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right...but
the way they explained the lottery at the beginning of the lottery show was that they draw four balls that result in the corresponding pick. That 4 ball combination is tied to the team slotted in X pick. Philly was slotted into the pick spot they were in because they won the coin toss. So had we won the coin toss, the same balls would have been drawn and the 4 number combination would have resulted in the team originally slotted in the 6th position (winner of coin toss) to receive the 2nd overall.
I know they didn’t have more number combinations than us, but they had a different set of number combinations which as I understood it relates to their slot in the lottery ranking. Whether this is actually the case or not, doesn’t matter to me. If I can despise coin-based currency more because of this, then I will.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
You're ignoring the math though
Statistically speaking, it doesn’t make a difference. Their number combination had the same chance of being picked as ours did. That concept of the slot only is there to differentiate between the teams.
Had they gotten the same number combination as we did, then the coin flip would have given them an advantage.
by bearded thundar on May 19, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No I'm not
I understand that statistically speaking whether we won the coin toss or not, we had the same chance to be drawn.
What I’m saying is that in this case, their number combination was drawn. Their number combinations were based on the fact that they won the coin toss and were slotted into the “6th” slot in the lottery. Those number combinations that they received (of which one was drawn) are associated with the 6th slot.
So had we won the coin toss, their number combinations (while having the exact same number of total combinations) would have been ours and the one drawn would have been ours as well.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
So the Pistons trouble was not the games they won at the end, but the coin toss.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
We Will Get Someone And We Will Be Better....
…Via pick or Via trading the pick…GO PISTONS!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on May 19, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions
cornbread or drinking the koolaid
I do believe in Joe. This is a pivotal year for the Piston, though. They can either return to respectability this year with the rights moves, i.e. Aldrich, Monroe or a good trade and a quality free agent, or screw up the whole off season and suffer in the lottery for the next five years. Too many long term deals on the books.
Langlois has a chat going, and he just dropped a bomb on me…
Keith Langlois: I have it from a good source that Igoudala was offered to the Pistons at the trade deadline … Pistons didn’t like the deal.
???
I’m not totally sure if this is the case or not, but I think Samuel Dalembert was likely a throw-in commodity that soured the Pistons on the deal to bring Iggy to Detroit. Remember that it was documented that the 76ers were shopping Dalembert hard and were basically willing to dump him on any team.
Not to go all Bill Simmons on you
But anytime you can cripple any cap flexibility with a guy who isn’t a premier player, you gotta pull the trigger.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
I really can't comment without knowing all the parts involved in the deal.
But Andrea Iguodala is not a guy I’m heartbroken by not having.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
Iggy has his shortcomings
But for Pete’s sake, his best skill — getting to and finishing at the rim — is something we haven’t had for YEARS. I’d take him … unless taking on Brand’s contract was the qualifier.
iguodala and dalembert
sign me up. i wouldn’t even complain about monroe that much if he was paired with dalembert— that frontcourt might actually work. if there’s any way we could make a deal that sends Rip back home to start with John Wall, everyone wins.
Not to mention, having Iguodala as a point forward would actually make Stuckey a better option at the point than he is now.
I’m liking this the more I think about it. Monroe is an excellent passer at the 4, Iguodala is an excellent passer at the 3— Stuckey could work at the point in that lineup.
Stuckey
Gordon
Iguodala
Monroe
Dalembert
Prince and Hamilton works for Iguodala and Dalembert according to the trade machine.
John Wall
Rip Hamilton
Tayshaun Prince
Elton Brand
Mareese Speights
might be an older lineup, but that is a pretty damn deadly defensive force with plenty of scoring options.
"Gee'drah write a rhyme in the time he hollow out a flask - crack a Guinness stout with his teeth one time, swallowed the glass"
Iggy is a fantastic defender. I’d like to have him, though I’d worry a bit about spacing with both him and Stuckey on the floor together. I would lean towards Aldrich over Monroe, since Dalembert’s contract will expire reasonably soon (I think) and that would allow Jerebko and Villanueva to play more power forward.
Not to rain on parades
But 76ers are number 2, not number 1, so unless John Wall isn’t the first pick, you would have to put Turner, Favors or Cousins in that lineup.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
Holliday at the point
Lineup looking something like:
Holliday
Turner
Prince
Brand
Speights
Rip off the bench? Or do you make Turner the 6th man as a rookie?
ahhh, you’re right, not sure why I had the number one pick. I imagine they’ll play Holiday at the 1 and Turner at the 2 as a point player. it might mean that, to make this deal happen, we’d have to move tayshaun, cv, a sophomore and a 2nd rounder to make it happen.
"Gee'drah write a rhyme in the time he hollow out a flask - crack a Guinness stout with his teeth one time, swallowed the glass"
Truth be told
that basketball team sounds delicious. That seams to work for both teams.
Of course, it won’t happen.
by Biz Markie Moon on May 19, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Brgulker....
….Stuckey gets to the rim a ton…he just had some problems finishing last year…I wouldnt say that AI is any better then Rodney at getting to the rim.
by BennieBladesFan on May 19, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
….Stuckey gets to the rim a ton…he just had some problems finishinglast yearthroughout his entire career…
Fixed that for you. Stuckey is a horrible finisher. Always has been, and he’s shown no signs of improving.
"Gee'drah write a rhyme in the time he hollow out a flask - crack a Guinness stout with his teeth one time, swallowed the glass"
I actually heard the samething..
…the day after the trade deadline.
From what I heard, the 76ers were willing to take Tayshaun off our hands but it didn’t free up any space in guard rotation if I remember correctly.
I wouldn’t get all hyped up and amped over the possible trade, it definitely wasn’t even looking like an even trade from what I remember.
I found it.
Trade: Iggy for Tayshaun and Maxiell
Actually it’s not as bad as I remembered. haha.
But still like I said before it doesn’t free up any of our guard rotation and strips us down even further in our front court depth.
It was posted on another basketball forum I frequently visit but they don’t have any sources backing them.
And remember this was posted the day after the trade deadline and at the time I didn’t think anything of it. But now Keith Langlois has decided to pop out of his little wormhole and actually confirm it, it got me thinking about that trade scenario from February.
Hmm, interesting trade.
I think we’re better off using Prince’s expiring for a big man, though.
by Terrence J. Lynch on May 19, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
That trade would’ve made an even bigger SG/SF logjam on the Pistons roster than there is now.
Now, if they were taking back Rip or Gordon, I could see the appeal.
But Prince’s expiring is a great asset to have right now, especially with teams struggling financially.
by Terrence J. Lynch on May 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That Sounds Right
…and I’d pass too. Most NBA trades are about shipping your problem to someone else. Tay isn’t really a problem. Not crazy about either AI’s game.
by V. on May 19, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
But absorbing Dalembert’s contract along with Iggy’s would take away the Pistons’ flexibility to make a move this year. And Dalembert is not a low post scoring big, so he doesn’t really fit a need.
The flexibility to take in a player from the Nets/Kings/T’Wolves/Warriors if the Pistons wish to move up the board on draft day. Or be in good position to absorb a large throw-in contract or two in order to be able to move Rip and Tay for a player they really want or need.
yeah, that would be nice… but we don’t have the ability to do any of those things.
by Gabe F-B on May 19, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ekpe udoh, ed davis, and gordon hayward
i’m far from a basketball scout, but isn’t this guy fairly limited in the “basketball skills” department? looks like a great, lanky, lengthy athlete, but i don’t see him scoring effectively in the NBA, and i don’t see him defending the stronger “bigs” of the game.
ed davis to me seems like a better big. i understand he didn’t show a whole lot at unc, but i just have a better feeling about him. i don’t think he’s that popular on this site. i actually look forward to reading about who IS popular – i’m not sure who there is to be excited about.
and then on an aside – isn’t gordon hayward going to really suck in the NBA? and is there NBA he slips past Indiana?
ugh
the first paragraph was obviously about ekpe udoh, i was going to just ask about him but then i added the other two players.
by redwingxviii on May 19, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Greg Monroe as a player
Not so much as a fit on this team.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
Heyward will suck
He needed another year in college. Of course, he’ll hit 6-of-8 threes against us whenever we play the Pacers next year.
by Rob Rogacki on May 19, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If only we could get a hybrid
of Udoh, Davis and Hayward.
by Kevin Sawyer on May 19, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
#7
Would be happiest with Cole Aldritch. It is a crapshoot between him, Udoh, Amino, etc. But Aldritch faced the highest competition level and put up similar numbers as the others. Even if he mearly becomes a Greg Ostertag or a Theo Ratliff we get the inside post defense this team sorely lacked.
While I’m not the biggest fan of Cole Aldrich, I don’t mind all that much if he happens to be the Pistons pick assuming the club stays pat at the 7 spot. People like to point out Greg Ostertag as a reference comparison and desservedly so, but I think Aldrich’s game on both sides of the court is comparable to that of Chris Kaman. The difference is that Kaman’s hook shot is far more reliable and doesn’t look like a brick coming out of his hand. Aldrich will have to develop his hook shot with both hands in the pros.
And Ekpe Udoh such a boom-or-bust prospect that I’m not so sure the Pistons should use a lottery pick on him. Plus I see him more as a developmental player as opposed to a player who would make an immediate impact.
Kaman is completely ambidextrous
which Aldrich is not. That right there is a huge difference. That said, if Aldrich played like Kaman minus the shitty mullet and getting his balls grabbed by Reggie Evans, I’d be very happy with that.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
#7
Aldrich simply seems to be the one who knows his role. Udoh, Amino, Monroe, etc. do not shoot for as high a percentage and turn the ball over way to much for big men. Aldrich only fouled out twice this year, excellent for a shot blocking defensive player. He is an old school no flash 7 foot center. Every team needs one, the Pistons have a glaring lack of one, yes I am a Kwame Brown hater.
#7
Would settle for Greg Monroe as 2nd choice. Not the defender we need, but could be a legitimate low post scorer. Just praying Pistons do not waste this pick on Hassan or any other 6’8" or more 220 lb. or less guy with supposed huge upside as soon as his body, or lack thereof, fills out.
Monroe would be face palm worthy
but I’ll take him over Ed Davis. I like his passing, for one.
by Biz Markie Moon on May 20, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
#7
Monroe seems to have a ready made NBA offensive game. But how many more poor post defenders can one team have. I do like his game though. Just think this team needs to find ways to stop offense, not create their own. I believe we have the scoring in Gordon, Hamilton, Stuckey, Charley V. Jump shooters for the most part, but we won a championship as a jump shooting team not long ago.
As always,
I don’t watch college ball so I must rely on all of you to fill me in on these kids. From what I’ve seen the Pistons won’t get one of the premier bigs at #7 but guys like Monroe, Aldrich, and Whiteside should be available. So far they are the three names I keep seeing in mock drafts for Detroit. Of course JoD could throw a curve ball and take a guard, but I don’t know if any of the PGs not named John Wall would make sense over one of the 4/5s and I will shit a brick if we take a SG with Rip and Gordon still on the books.
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
I’m sort of the Aldrich apologist (not alone nor the initiator, either). I think he’s going to be a solid C, who although limited in his offensive game, who will fill several of the roles that we’ve been lacking. I’ll be content if we hold onto our pick and take him. Nothing wrong with a guy who gets you 8 points, 10 boards, and 2 blocks per game for the next 8-10 seasons, IMO.
Agreed. If he’s the safe pick, I say go for it. It’s time we picked a sure thing instead of a project. 8, 10, and 2 would be great numbers on our squad right now.
by garrettelliott on May 19, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If we draft a guy who comes in and gets 8, 10 and 2 we will be destined for a decade filled with first round playoff exits. If our aim is to get to 45 wins next year, then he might well be our guy, but if we’re trying to become contenders again we are going to need a star. The best chance to get a star is in the lottery and if we add a solid role player this year it might be a long time before we have another shot at a star.
It is extremely difficult to get a star at pick number 7, so going for a serviceable player instead of a star-type (that is likely to bust) makes more sense.
by Birdman84 on May 19, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not entirely true
look at my second rounders post, I listed some of the players taken around 7-10 in the past few years. There’s a lot more stars on that list than you’d think
by bearded thundar on May 19, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But simply being drafted at #7 doesn’t magically make a good player a superstar. I don’t think anyone sees any of the candidates for #7 being anything more than solid contributors. If there is one, it’ll be either blind luck or some inside info that one GM had that others didn’t.
I understand that
I’m just saying that it isn’t unheard of guys to develop into nice players even though they weren’t drafted in the top 5
by bearded thundar on May 19, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you would get more than eight points out of him. That was a loaded Kansas team. The draft comparions, Przybilla with more scoring seems apt.
The bigger problem is that you’re only going to get 55 games per season (the four year average for big white draft picks) and likely won’t have him around for the playoffs.
by Kevin Sawyer on May 19, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention...
it allows us to really shop for the total package 4 spot to play alongside. Garnett’s defense stays good because he has Perkins he can depend on for help. If Aldrich is a Perkins type player, which, it would seem to be a fair comparison then I’m all for it.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
2
Do you want O or D. The O is Monroe, who shoots well is is an excellent passer for a PF. The D is Aldrich, who is one of the best shot blockers and defensive rebounders available.
I want defense, they been blowing smoke up my ass about offense all season.
"Someday pray that he will grow a farm barn full, Recent research shows its not so darn harmful"
by Skylar on May 20, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lucky 777
I say we package Rip, Charlie, and the 7th pick for LBJ and call it a day.
Seriously, though, I have no idea why Wesley Johnson would be on our short list under any circumstances. Not that he’s a bad player, but another SF? Let’s trade for a couple second rounders, draft some SGs and call it a roster, then.
Could we really pass on Wesley Johnson if he slips to us? There is a point where you just have to take the best available player and worry about your existing pieces later.
That's assuming Wes Johnson is the BPA
More than likely, he ain’t.
by Terrence J. Lynch on May 19, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if he doesn’t get picked in the top 5, I find it hard to believe that Wesley Johnson would get past the Warriors. Nellie loves to stockpile athletic ballhandling swingmen.
i think pretty much all big men in this draft are projects.
OTHER than aldrich, im not saying hes the best big man or anything, just i think he has the tools to come in and bang with the big boys his first season, its just kind of seems that you know what youre getting with aldrich. the guys will bang around, get you 10pts a game with 10 rebs and maybe a block or 2, the dude uses his elbow to clear for a rebound keeps the ball high when hes in the post (i see lots of big man being striped by guards/smaller defenders because this lack of big man fundamentals all the time) plus the missing tooth makes him look like a ‘bad boy’.
bizarro jonas is bizarro
"Gee'drah write a rhyme in the time he hollow out a flask - crack a Guinness stout with his teeth one time, swallowed the glass"
if gets that shit fixed
he loses some credibility, i would drop him out of the “top 5 big men” in this years draft if he does that non sense!
Well, if it makes anybody happy...
Draft Express has the Pistons taking Cole Aldrich at number 7 and their history with predicting the top 10 picks is pretty impressive.
And for the most part, Aldrich was either at number 1 or 2 on everybody’s list here to be drafted by the Pistons. So it goes to show, tanking is not the answer.
I'm pretty sure the hold up on an Iggy to Detroit deal
Was Brand.
It was the same thing that held up a deal sending him to Houston.
by Terrence J. Lynch on May 19, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions
Philly expects too much
They want to package Iggy with Brand or Dalembert and no one is going to accept one iffy contract and one horrible contract in the same trade. GMs like to accumulate horrible contracts through FA signings, like God JoD intended.
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
agreed
You can’t package Iggy with Brand. Those are both horrible contracts, even though they both had shown a lot of promise in the past
by bearded thundar on May 19, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Problem With Brand
He is a horrible fit for their system. It may change with a new coach and new offense. He could very well thrive in a Pistons type of system. The real problem is that Philly overpaid for him by quite a bit. I’d trade Tay straight up for him if the contracts were anywhere near equal.
by V. on May 19, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
lol @ Granger
It will be fun watching Jonas harass him this up coming year.
by DBB Diablo on May 19, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
just like scary movie 2
invisible penis anyone?
by bearded thundar on May 19, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Normally I would denounce any reference of that awful movie
But in this case it gets a rec, because this was the first time someone reminded me about Scary Movie 2 and I actually laughed. Well done sir.
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
good sir
I give you a bearded salute
by bearded thundar on May 19, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Judging from the interview with Jod
He said he’s looking at big men and wants someone who can CONTRIBUTE RIGHT AWAY.
That seems to rule out Hassan Whiteside, Soloman Alabi and maybe even Epke Udoh.
The big men closest to contributing right away are Aldrich, Patterson and Monroe (also maybe one of the Euros since they play pro ball).
tis a shame
Whiteside could potentially be a very good defensive center/pf
by bearded thundar on May 19, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably rules out Ed Davis and Daniel Orton too.
by Quick Darshan on May 19, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
hopefully
I want no part of Davis.
Orton might deserve a long look, I remember being very impressed with his athleticism when he stepped on the floor for Cousins
by bearded thundar on May 19, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
why not a simple little trade
prince and our 7th pick for kaman and their 54th pick. clips fill the sf and get 2 lottery picks, stones get a legit big man and 2 second rounders (greivis vasquez/jarvis varnado and brian zoubek)
54th pick is worthless
It will result in the next Trent Plaisted.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
And if Aldrich is anything like Kaman
I’d rather have him on a rookie contract than Kaman on the $12M a year or so that he’s getting paid.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on May 19, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
54th pick gets us a big man to throw in the game for fouls at least.
and i highly doubt aldrich puts up 20 and 10 anytime soon.
fuck Chris Kaman. There, I said it (again).
"Gee'drah write a rhyme in the time he hollow out a flask - crack a Guinness stout with his teeth one time, swallowed the glass"
Anyone else watching the Lakers crush the Suns? Jason Richardson is turning it on right now and it’s now a 6 point game, but it’s been some pretty serious Laker domination so far.
by garrettelliott on May 19, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
im hoping to turn it on once top chef is over. my other tv blew out so now i must split tv time with the missus.
Hey, is top chef in a new season?
I watched the “Masters” when I was living in Portland, I didn’t know if the series proper had started back up. My old boss has been rejected several times as a contestant from Michigan.
"Someday pray that he will grow a farm barn full, Recent research shows its not so darn harmful"
masters is on right now, the new season is starting pretty soon. they are showing spots for it tonight. there is a dude from MI who is going to be on it this year. i think he works at some restaurant out in farmington.
Nice. Eve from Ann Arbor got on last season
but she got bounced from competition quicker than the Bucks
"Someday pray that he will grow a farm barn full, Recent research shows its not so darn harmful"
Greg Monroe?
"Gee'drah write a rhyme in the time he hollow out a flask - crack a Guinness stout with his teeth one time, swallowed the glass"
I was talking about that good inside ball movement the Lakers have with Gasol and Odom.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
Here's a Big Man who could pass like a motherfucker
Detroit Royalty FTW
"Someday pray that he will grow a farm barn full, Recent research shows its not so darn harmful"
never heard of him
Isn’t he like phantom of the opera?
by bearded thundar on May 20, 2010 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions
wat.
Laimbeer would have been such a better option.
I still don’t get why Joe seems to not trust him. Is there something I’m missing between him and the other Bad Boys?
by bearded thundar on May 20, 2010 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Everybody wonders about that at times
But with zero evidence, there’s not much to discuss. I think it would be wise to pitch Laimbeer a spot on our coaching staff, not even head coach but somewhere in there to start, but who knows what reasons Dumars has.
"Someday pray that he will grow a farm barn full, Recent research shows its not so darn harmful"
right now
i don’t see any hope until this team gets sold. joe’s job is essentially safe until that happens, as much as i hate that idea. the basketball in this town will absolutely suffer until a change of hands takes place.
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
i like this cousins talk going on here and bt’s hypothetical situation where he falls to us is interesting but i still think he’s gone in the first couple of picks.
he likely is
I only created a possible scenario that falls due to team needs. However, if teams go by taking the best player available, then he’s gone probably by the 4th pick
by bearded thundar on May 20, 2010 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I have one question that all of you should seriously consider
What happens when Donuts Montezuma has an outstanding workout for us showing just how hard he’s willing to work to play this game? What then? Because you know that if he’s projected at 12th, JoD would easily take him at 7th if he thought he had a good work ethic…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Can we get the Yi Jianlian speical?
Where his workout is a one-on-one against a chair?
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
OT: This is a pretty awesome sequence from Lang Whitaker’s latest article on SLAM:
"For me," Prokhorov began, deadpan, "is great pleasure. I am owner of team with the best record in the NBA." The media chuckled at his joke, and Prokhorov looked around in faux disbelief. "Was I misinformed?"
Best owner ever?
Mark Cuban and Prokhorov need to have a giant robot fight in the Grand Canyon
by Biz Markie Moon on May 20, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
While the Russian Gangster has the edge in reach and performance enhancing drugs,
Cuban contrary to what his name implies, is all American…and this here is ’merica. Home field advantage fighting in the Grand Canyon, combined with the super scrappiness and over-the-top antics of Mark in my book gives him the slight edge.
Personally, I’d hope that the bookies overlook these advantages and focus mainly on physical stature making Cuban the underdog and greater potential for hauling in some dough.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Cuban also has the technology angle
I have no clue why Prokhorov got his money.
by Biz Markie Moon on May 21, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
"David Stern is small man, like piss ant. I am no concerned with his words or fines"
-Future Prokhorov quote
"Someday pray that he will grow a farm barn full, Recent research shows its not so darn harmful"
by Skylar on May 20, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
This should probably be it's own post
Of future Prokhorov quotes.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
In Soviet Russia ball dunks you!
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
From the NY Daily News, via Ball Don't Lie
“Let me ask you some questions,” Prokhorov said to a small group of reporters during a private brunch meeting at the Four Seasons Hotel in Manhattan. "What about the name of the team? Is it okay, the Nets? Or do we have to try to find something new?
“I’m a foreigner, you know,” he said. “I need your piece of advice. I can put Russian name and nobody knows what it is. I can put the name of a girlfriend and every time I change, I need to change the name of the team.”
I don't always draft centers
But when I do, I prefer to draft them late in the second and never let them fucking play.
Dumars as the most interesting puzzling GM in the world
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
by SadPanda1 on May 20, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Joe Dumars on Small Forwards
The ones that are long, smooth, and can really stroke it are the ones you want to draft.
by Biz Markie Moon on May 20, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He speaks French . . . in Russian
Don’t know why, but that line cracked me up. As to the lines from the new Nets owner. And — geting back to on-topic — we’re going to need things to make us Pistons fans laugh in the near future, I fear.
OT, but if you haven't seen this guy yet...
Behold Cleveland’s best chance at keeping Lebron.
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Don’t go, or this kid with the pimped out 87 Cutlass is going to look like a total douche!
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
I have to wonder
After Lebron leaves will Nike sue this poor bastard to stop him from using their logo?
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
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