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Greg Monroe vs. Everyone Else

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Monroe seems to be Pistons fans most popular choice among players who will probably be available (he's definitely the choice of pistons.com editor/Jod spokesman, Keith Langlois).

I don't want Monroe.

I'm gonna try and illustrate why with stats (courtesy of draftexpress.com)

Monroe:

Basic Statistics Per 40 Pace Adjusted

YearLeagueTeamGPMinPtsFGFGAFG%2Pt2PtA2P%3Pt3PtA3P%FTMFTAFT%OffDefTOTAstsStlsBlksTOsPFs
2008/09 NCAA Georgetown 31 30.9 17.2 6.3 11.0 57.2 6.2 10.7 57.8 0.1 0.3 33.3 4.6 6.6 70.0 2.7 6.2 8.9 3.5 2.5 2.0 3.4 3.4
2009/10 NCAA Georgetown 34 34.2 19.0 7.0 13.3 52.5 6.7 12.4 54.5 0.2 0.9 25.9 4.8 7.2 66.0 2.6 8.8 11.3 4.4 1.5 1.8 3.9 3.0

Villanueva:

Basic Statistics Per 40 Pace Adjusted

YearLeagueTeamGPMinPtsFGFGAFG%2Pt2PtA2P%3Pt3PtA3P%FTMFTAFT%OffDefTOTAstsStlsBlksTOsPFs
2003/04 NCAA Connecticut 32 19.0 18.3 7.2 14.1 51.4 6.1 10.9 55.6 1.2 3.1 36.7 2.7 4.0 66.7 3.6 7.2 10.7 1.5 0.4 3.1 2.5 4.6
2004/05 NCAA Connecticut 31 25.8 19.9 7.5 14.4 52.1 7.2 13.8 52.2 0.3 0.6 50.0 4.6 6.7 68.8 3.9 8.3 12.1 1.9 0.9 2.7 3.3 3.2

Aldrich:

Basic Statistics Per 40 Pace Adjusted

YearLeagueTeamGPMinPtsFGFGAFG%2Pt2PtA2P%3Pt3PtA3P%FTMFTAFT%OffDefTOTAstsStlsBlksTOsPFs
2007/08 NCAA Kansas 40 8.3 13.3 5.1 9.8 51.8 5.1 9.8 51.8 0.0 0.0   3.1 4.5 68.4 4.0 10.1 14.1 0.6 1.3 4.0 2.5 5.7
2008/09 NCAA Kansas 35 29.6 19.9 7.6 12.7 59.8 7.6 12.7 59.8 0.0 0.0   4.7 5.9 79.2 4.0 10.7 14.8 1.4 0.8 3.6 2.1 3.4
2009/10 NCAA Kansas 36 26.8 16.2 5.9 10.6 56.2 5.9 10.6 56.2 0.0 0.0   4.3 6.3 67.9 4.4 9.7 14.1 1.2 1.1 5.0 2.2 3.7

Ed Davis:

Basic Statistics Per 40 Pace Adjusted

YearLeagueTeamGPMinPtsFGFGAFG%2Pt2PtA2P%3Pt3PtA3P%FTMFTAFT%OffDefTOTAstsStlsBlksTOsPFs
2008/09 NCAA North Carolina 38 18.8 12.8 5.0 9.7 51.8 5.0 9.7 51.8 0.0 0.0   2.8 4.9 57.3 4.2 8.5 12.7 1.1 0.7 3.3 2.0 3.7
2009/10 NCAA North Carolina 24 26.9 17.6 6.3 11.0 57.8 6.3 11.0 57.8 0.0 0.0   5.0 7.5 65.9 3.8 8.8 12.6 1.3 0.6 3.7 2.6 2.4

Whiteside:

Basic Statistics Per 40 Pace Adjusted

YearLeagueTeamGPMinPtsFGFGAFG%2Pt2PtA2P%3Pt3PtA3P%FTMFTAFT%OffDefTOTAstsStlsBlksTOsPFs
2009/10 NCAA Marshall 34 26.1 19.0 7.1 13.6 52.4 7.0 13.4 52.2 0.1 0.2 60.0 4.7 8.0 58.8 3.9 9.0 12.9 0.4 0.8 7.7 2.7 3.5

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Monroe:

Efficiency Statistics

Player InfoShooting RatiosPassing RatiosDefensive Ratios
YearLeagueTeamGPMinPTs/gFGA/gPts/PlayTS%eFG%FTA/FGA3PA/FGAAst/gAst/FGAA/TOPPRBK/gSTL/gPF/g
2008/09 NCAA Georgetown 31 30.9 12.7 8.1 0.99 0.61 0.58 0.60 0.02 2.5 0.32 1.03 -2.59 1.5 1.8 2.5
2009/10 NCAA Georgetown 34 34.2 16.1 11.3 0.92 0.57 0.53 0.54 0.07 3.8 0.33 1.14 -2.36 1.5 1.2 2.6

Villanueva:

Efficiency Statistics

Player InfoShooting RatiosPassing RatiosDefensive Ratios
YearLeagueTeamGPMinPTs/gFGA/gPts/PlayTS%eFG%FTA/FGA3PA/FGAAst/gAst/FGAA/TOPPRBK/gSTL/gPF/g
2003/04 NCAA Connecticut 32 19.0 8.9 6.9 0.99 0.57 0.55 0.29 0.22 0.7 0.10 0.59 -3.92 1.5 0.2 2.3
2004/05 NCAA Connecticut 31 25.8 13.6 9.8 0.95 0.57 0.53 0.46 0.04 1.3 0.13 0.57 -5.46 1.8 0.6 2.2

Aldrich:

Efficiency Statistics

Player InfoShooting RatiosPassing RatiosDefensive Ratios
YearLeagueTeamGPMinPTs/gFGA/gPts/PlayTS%eFG%FTA/FGA3PA/FGAAst/gAst/FGAA/TOPPRBK/gSTL/gPF/g
2007/08 NCAA Kansas 40 8.3 2.8 2.1 0.92 0.56 0.52 0.46 0.00 0.1 0.06 0.24 -5.36 0.9 0.3 1.2
2008/09 NCAA Kansas 35 29.6 14.9 9.5 1.13 0.64 0.60 0.46 0.00 1.0 0.11 0.64 -3.11 2.7 0.6 2.6
2009/10 NCAA Kansas 36 26.8 11.3 7.4 1.03 0.60 0.56 0.60 0.00 0.9 0.12 0.55 -3.69 3.5 0.8 2.6

Davis:

Efficiency Statistics

Player InfoShooting RatiosPassing RatiosDefensive Ratios
YearLeagueTeamGPMinPTs/gFGA/gPts/PlayTS%eFG%FTA/FGA3PA/FGAAst/gAst/FGAA/TOPPRBK/gSTL/gPF/g
2008/09 NCAA North Carolina 38 18.8 6.7 5.0 0.92 0.54 0.52 0.50 0.00 0.6 0.12 0.55 -3.56 1.7 0.4 1.9
2009/10 NCAA North Carolina 24 26.9 12.9 8.0 1.03 0.61 0.58 0.69 0.00 0.9 0.11 0.48 -4.88 2.7 0.4 1.8

Whiteside:

Efficiency Statistics

Player InfoShooting RatiosPassing RatiosDefensive Ratios
YearLeagueTeamGPMinPTs/gFGA/gPts/PlayTS%eFG%FTA/FGA3PA/FGAAst/gAst/FGAA/TOPPRBK/gSTL/gPF/g
2009/10 NCAA Marshall 34 26.1 13.1 9.4 0.95 0.55 0.53 0.59 0.02 0.3 0.03 0.16 -6.46 5.4 0.6 2.4

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Monroe:

Usage Statistics

Player InfoComplete MetricsPossession InfoPossession Ratios
YearLeagueTeamGPMinPEREFFEFF/40WS/40Pos/gTm Pos/g% Tm PosPts/PosFGA/PosFTA/PosAst/PosTO/Pos
2008/09 NCAA Georgetown 31 30.9 25.5 17.7 22.9 11.5 11.5 65.5 17.5 1.11 0.70 0.42 0.22 0.22
2009/10 NCAA Georgetown 34 34.2 25.9 21.6 25.2 12.5 15.4 66.8 23.1 1.05 0.73 0.40 0.24 0.21

Villanueva:

Usage Statistics

Player InfoComplete MetricsPossession InfoPossession Ratios
YearLeagueTeamGPMinPEREFFEFF/40WS/40Pos/gTm Pos/g% Tm PosPts/PosFGA/PosFTA/PosAst/PosTO/Pos
2003/04 NCAA Connecticut 32 19.0 23.4 11.4 24.0 11.1 7.8 70.2 11.1 1.15 0.88 0.25 0.09 0.16
2004/05 NCAA Connecticut 31 25.8 25.9 17.3 26.8 13.4 12.4 71.8 17.3 1.09 0.79 0.37 0.10 0.18

Aldrich:

Usage Statistics

Player InfoComplete MetricsPossession InfoPossession Ratios
YearLeagueTeamGPMinPEREFFEFF/40WS/40Pos/gTm Pos/g% Tm PosPts/PosFGA/PosFTA/PosAst/PosTO/Pos
2007/08 NCAA Kansas 40 8.3 22.2 5.2 25.2 13.9 2.7 69.0 3.9 1.05 0.78 0.36 0.05 0.20
2008/09 NCAA Kansas 35 29.6 31.6 23.9 32.2 18.6 11.8 69.5 16.9 1.26 0.81 0.37 0.09 0.14
2009/10 NCAA Kansas 36 26.8 28.7 20.0 29.9 17.4 9.7 70.1 13.9 1.16 0.76 0.45 0.09 0.16

Davis:

Usage Statistics

Player InfoComplete MetricsPossession InfoPossession Ratios
YearLeagueTeamGPMinPEREFFEFF/40WS/40Pos/gTm Pos/g% Tm PosPts/PosFGA/PosFTA/PosAst/PosTO/Pos
2008/09 NCAA North Carolina 38 18.8 20.5 11.3 24.1 13.7 6.3 76.0 8.3 1.06 0.80 0.40 0.09 0.17
2009/10 NCAA North Carolina 24 26.9 26.8 18.9 28.1 15.9 11.1 73.0 15.2 1.16 0.72 0.50 0.08 0.17

Whiteside:

Usage Statistics

Player InfoComplete MetricsPossession InfoPossession Ratios
YearLeagueTeamGPMinPEREFFEFF/40WS/40Pos/gTm Pos/g% Tm PosPts/PosFGA/PosFTA/PosAst/PosTO/Pos
2009/10 NCAA Marshall 34 26.1 29.8 19.6 30.1 15.6 12.0 71.0 16.9 1.09 0.78 0.46 0.02 0.16

 

Summary:

First I'll start out with the positives for Monroe; he played a larger role in Gtown's offense than any of the other big guys, and while he wasn't as efficient from the field as one would like, he did a good job of drawing fouls, which kept his TS% at an acceptable level. He had the most assists, and the best A/TO ratio. Also, he created more steals than the other big guys, which suggests good lateral fluidity.

Now the other side of the coin, and why I prefer the alternatives: The other guys blow Monroe out of the water when it comes to blocking shots, and they all rebounded at a higher rate, and at a much higher rate when it came to offensive rebounding. Shot-blocking and offensive rebounding are hugely important stats for projecting college PF/C prospects. Blocking shots is probably the most important "athletic indicator"-- because it tells a great deal about a PF/C prospects explosiveness and timing. Offensive rebounding is the best "hustle" stat-- telling about aggressiveness (and it shows an understanding of angles/positioning).

A PF/C prospects who is weak at both offensive rebounding and shot-blocking is troubling, because it suggests both a lack of aggressiveness and a lack of NBA caliber athleticism. Players with this combination of issues typically have limited ceilings (i.e. the very best case scenario is a guy roughly as productive as LaMarcus Aldridge).

On top of this is the fact that Monroe was the most turnover prone player (by possession). This is another issue where taken on its own, it might not be much of a concern, especially if the player is contributing in a number of areas (think Evan Turner). But if a player already has several holes in his game, adding a high turnover rate makes the prospect even riskier.

Finally, just take a look at the comparison between Monroe and Villanueva... They are remarkably similar players. CV actually has slightly better rebounding numbers(!), while Monroe has the edge with assists, but they are very close in most categories. Why draft an offensive-minded big when CV's contract runs another four years?

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