Hittin' the Links: Suns Making It Interesting, 7th Speculation, and Will Bynum's Defense
by Packey on May 26, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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- If you haven't seen it yet, Kevin broke down three viable trade options the Pistons have with their No. 7 pick.
- Which brings me to Terry Foster's option, not unlike what has already been discussed here at DBB:
The 76ers are willing to unload the No. 2 pick in the draft next month along with 6-foot-9 power forward bust Elton Brand. [...]
[...] Brand could be what the doctor ordered for the Pistons. But Brand will make $15.6 million next season, $17.1 the following year and $18.2 million in 2013. That's a lot of cash, but it would be a bold and daring move.
And here's how: Dumars should offer the 76ers the No. 7 pick in the draft, Richard Hamilton and Jason Maxiell for the No. 2 pick and Brand.
"You want me to get fined," Dumars joked when asked about the deal.
Still, imagine a starting lineup of Tayshaun Prince, rookie Derrick Favors (No. 2 pick) and Brand along with Rodney Stuckey and Ben Gordon.
For starters, we learn who Foster prefers for the Pistons at the No. 2 spot. Second, I don't want the Pistons to touch Elton Brand's contract with a ten foot pole while wearing an N95 mask. We complain about the younger Maxiell's contract now, imagine having to tip-toe around Brand's absurd contract for the next couple offseasons. Ignoring contracts, I'd most likely want Brand, but the two last year were close enough statistically to lead me to believe the "bold and daring move" would actually be keeping Maxiell, rather than trading for Brand, and hoping Max can improve as he enters his prime years, all for 1/3 the price. - Dan Feldman at PistonPowered does a nice job decreasing Will Bynum's value to potential suitors, breaking down his pick-and-roll defense, while also increasing the Synergy brand's value. I see what you did there, Dan. Well played.
- Charlie Villanueva's Hope on Twitter campaign:
- Be on the lookout for the video of Joe Dumars' press conference from yesterday -- Pistons.com said they would release it sometime today. You've already heard it in its entirety, but maybe you'll want to watch the body language, too.
- Unfortunately, Jim Kuester is not a 7' off-season addition. An editor at the Free Press may or may not have been fired for this:
I embrace being a Detroit Pistons. And though we've had a share of bad luck, I'm determine things will change for better in 2010-11. RISE.
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Suns
I’m rooting for the Suns, so I was happy to see Amare’s great game 3 and the bench play so well in game 4. But they have to do it on the road, and the Lakers are still much taller. I got my hopes up about LA collapsing during the OKC series, so I’m being cautious now.
Wonder if the Magic can extend the Boston series.
I'd do that trade in a second.
Yes, Brand’s contract is huge. But if Philly would take Rip and Max, that would almost completely cover Brand’s salary. Brand also fills a need. And, aren’t we about done waiting for Max to take the next step? I can’t see why Philly would do that, ever.
I would also make Favors the pick if we somehow got the 2nd. He has the potential to be an absolute force on defense. If we had CV and Brand at PF, I would rather get a defensive center.
Think about this. If we took on Brand, after two years we have an $18 mil+ expiring contract and a bunch of players in their prime, or younger, at every position who have been playing together for 2 or 3 years.
Even if this was all Jod did for the next two years (besides resigning Bynum, Wallace, minor moves), I’d really like to see that team grow and see what could happen with an $18 mil expiring contract.
by waulie on May 26, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I feel like we'd have to give up Prince to get that #2 pick
It doesn’t seem likely that Philly would trade one bad contract for two others, as well as swap picks. Prince would give them salary relief, as well as a great option at the 3 (so they can move Iguodala back to the 2, where he belongs). Maybe they pick Aminu or Johnson, if they’re available, and have Prince as a one year stopgap so their rookie can develop.
If Rip was the centerpiece, I’d do that deal in a heartbeat, but I’d also be willing to give up Prince to get that pick. I feel like with the right training staff, Brand can at least be reasonably effective. I don’t think he was a great fit for the 76ers. No one expects him to be a 20-10 guy again, but I could see him being a 15-8 guy, with a block and a steal per game. Plus, we get Cousins or Favors.
Philly might just keep the pick, though. Washington has been pretty noncommittal about picking Wall. If they pick Turner, and the 76ers gave up a chance to get Wall, their fans would be understandably pissed. Although, Jrue Holiday looked good toward the end of the season, so maybe they’re happy with him.
"Ford! You're turning into a Penguin! Stop it!"
-Arthur Dent
PULL THE TRIGGER!
Think about it, if Max and Brand are essentially the same, but at the same cost, what are we getting? The same contribution, plus a much better draft pick instead of a wait and see. Yes, we’d have to pay more for Brand, and more for the 2nd round choice. Yes, if it doesn’t pan out then we will have a whole mess on our hands.
But doesn’t Brand seem like the right player for our, well, Brand (maligned former star with chip on shoulder)? If we screw it up, really what will happen? in a season rip will be gone, tay will be gone(or at least cheaper), and bengo will be our biggest contract, we can actually afford this guy on paper.
I would want some more value for the trade to make sense, maybe we should get a present or future second rounder or something, the low salaries of those second round contracts will help absorb the salary consequences of the “brand experiment.”
But doesn’t Brand seem like the right player for our, well, Brand (maligned former star with chip on shoulder)?
Petey?
by Kevin Sawyer on May 26, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Not The Same
Actually, Brand will thrive here. He is a much better fit for the Pistons style of play than Philly’s. Bank on it…and the bonus is you might get John Wall on top of it (although I can’t see the Wiz, especially Flip, not wanting Wall).
I thought the price might be Tay, but Rip makes sense…especially since he’s from Philly.
by V. on May 27, 2010 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions
76ers are shopping the pick
I don’t see why you do that unless you are sincerely interested in moving it.
But yeah, Rip is not going to get it done. Also, you don’t make this move just to land Derrick Favors.
disagree
in every sport, teams at the top of the draft “shop” the pick to see who biting, but the pick almost never moves. It’s just a way of getting people talking about who their willing to part with and at what prices. The last time i remember it happening in the nba was when aldrich and tt were swapped.
The Wizards aren't shopping
The Grizz shopped the #2 last year, but I have to think they were seriously entertaining offers.
Chad Ford reports that the 76ers are leaning toward Favors with the pick. If that’s the case, I can’t imagine how you don’t consider moving him and getting $51 million off the books. Then again, he has Cousins falling to the #6, which isn’t going to happen.
Thing is, they might get the Wolves to trade Jefferson and the 4, which may allow them to get Favors anyway. We can’t compete with that offer, in terms of talent.
by Kevin Sawyer on May 26, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Bynum's defense
I just wanted to clarify, my post analyzes Bynum’s defense when his man him off a screen off the ball before receiving the ball and shooting. Pick-and-roll defense is another category.
Also, very well played on the Freep headline.
I've always wondered
Do you consider yourself a true piston fan or do you just write for ESPN? It seems that almost all of your articles are about how we’ve been screwed and what major problems we’re facing.
Not to mention, I disagree completely with your post on Stuckey’s free throw disparity (which is why I don’t think you wholeheartedly watch the games). Anyone here could tell you that Stuckey gets whacked around on just about every drive, you can tell by the random “Hey!” right before he approaches the rim. Just because he fits in line with the average point guard free throw model does not mean that he is getting the calls he deserves.
by bearded thundar on May 26, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
BT, just watching the games can lead to bias, particularly given our Pistons’ fandom. The stats put things into context.
I know that
I’ve always used statistics in my analysis, but my point was that you miss a lot of things by purely looking off the numbers
by bearded thundar on May 26, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
Unless you watch every team, the potential bias matches anything gained by watching the games. We watch the games for fun. We look to that stats for analysis.
We all love watching Jerebko, and might feel he is a star in the making. But if you watch other teams, a lot of them have their own Jerebkos, players who make exciting plays, but whose contributions do not match the perception.
by Kevin Sawyer on May 26, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
But I don't think that
I’ve said it before, I think that a lot of people are over hyping him because he hustled on every possession despite how much we sucked. If everyone on the team played as hard as he did, people would be calling him a nice defender to bring off the bench that can hit some shots, kinda like a better Verajao or a bigger Afflalo.
by bearded thundar on May 26, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't assign value to Jerebko by his numbers alone.
That kid’s already one of the most popular players we’ve had in years and I think he sells tickets by himself. The ladies love that cat. The franchise needed a Jerebko pretty bad in that draft I think. These are fucked up times.
"The Lakers were favored 8 to 1 odds to beat the Pistons. Bullshit." - Bill Davidson, Championship parade, 2004
Hey man, in this crazy mixed up son of a gun world
Everyone could use a little Jerebko from time to time.
In fact I think The Beatles even wrote a few songs about him:
All You Need Is Jerebko
Hey Jerebko
Jerebko in the Sky with Diamonds
Yellow Jerebko
Maxwell’s Silver Jerebko
And my favorite
Why don’t we Jerebko in the Road
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on May 26, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think Stuckey gets the calls he deserves. I think that most other player types like him get too many calls.
That’s an interesting take on the situation.
by garrettelliott on May 27, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Ozzie Guillen...
http://deadspin.com/5548316/ozzie-guillen-has-no-sympathy-for-clevelanders
My Music: Some Sorta Giant
My Blog: Strike Three Mechanics
by madpoopz on May 26, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
he and Noah are the only guys I can stand from Chicago
And that’s purely for his epic rants and mockery of Cleveland
by bearded thundar on May 26, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I was listening to some of his stand up on the radio this weekend...
I’m going to butcher this but I’ll give it a shot…
“My son’s gay… but there were signs. Oh, there were signs. For example, he spent way too much time in the frozen food section of the grocery store. Also, he was really disappointed when he found out Big Ben was just a clock.”
As soon as he said that joke, I thought — ol’ RD must not be a Pistons fan (but then realized it was probably from 20 years ago).
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Trade Scenario: Golden State & Detroit
Based off of Chad Ford’s most recent mock draft with Cousins falling to #6:
Corey Maggette + #6 for Tayshaun + #7
Personally, I’d do this. I’m pretty sure there is some angst associated with Maggette but his numbers are actually marginally better than Prince’s across the board (with the exception of 3 PT%). Golden State would do this because while they’d love Cousins, they could shed Maggette’s long-term contract, acquire a comparable SF that fits into their system but doesn’t need the ball in his hands as much (allowing Ellis and Curry to do their thing), and still be able to draft Monroe who I believe they’ve been pretty high on.
I think it deserves consideration although I think GSW would be looking for more than this since they know how badly we want Cousins. If so, we could easily sweeten the deal with a future 2nd rounder and/or Dajuan Summers.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
How about
Corey Maggette + Biedrins + #6 for Tayshaun +Maxiell + #7
by JC no1 pistons fan on May 26, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmmm...
Interesting! I don’t know that Max fits in with Nelly ball as well as Biedrins apparently does.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
If they offer that then yes
I’m a huge Biedrins fan. The implications of a Biedrins/Cousins frontcourt are awesome: You have Cousins do the scoring and Biedrins rebounds, blocks, and all that good stuff. Corey Maggette in this deal is incidental in a lot of ways: he’s not as good of a defender as Prince but he can score, so that side of the deal is a wash.
DO IT.
by Biz Markie Moon on May 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd take my chances
And pass (though the version with Beidrins does interest me) for the same reasons why you said GS would do it: Maggette has a terrible contract. Now if you could do that with Rip, supbar contract + 7 for bad contract + 6, then you have something. But I’m not trading my best expiring contract just to move up one spot in the draft, especially when I doubt they would take Cousins in the first place
by bearded thundar on May 26, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That Trade Is So Not Happening
Which is why I almost never propose them.
by V. on May 27, 2010 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Well duh
I mean GSW would be stupid to trade down 1 pick if Cousins fell to them. But at least it gives us something to talk about. And at least its based on the hypotheticals presented by JoD and Chad Ford (wanting Cousins and Cousins falling to 6)
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Corey Magette = Bad Porn
Sure, there’s lots of penetration and scoring, but are you really happy with what you’re seeing?
I like this.
Although interestingly enough, Maggette has a better offensive and a better defensive rating than Tayshaun.
And his salary ranking is in line with the production that he’s put out at GSW (76th highest paid, 72nd best player according to RealGM).
I think though that the biggest issue here is Maggette and Gordon are both ball-in-hand scorers whereas Tay can facilitate. We’d likely end up with a fast-paced offense that becomes ridiculously stagnant in the half court…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
The offense does need to get quicker though. I’m not arguing that having Maggette as the three would solve our problems, but until we get a team that thrives on passing the ball and defense, we aren’t going to be able to limit the opposing team’s possessions enough that we win through defense. You can’t be the slowest team in the league with Rodney Stuckey, Ben Gordon, and Charlie Villaneuva.
by Biz Markie Moon on May 27, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
my favorite part of the broadcast so far
after that pissy technical foul on Perkins, they watch his reaction 30 times, and each time you get to read his lips as he says it’s bull sh*t, man.
someone bust out the wheelchair
Pierce has now transformed into full bitch mode
by bearded thundar on May 26, 2010 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
But…..he’s had shoulder problems all season….!
/eye roll
by garrettelliott on May 26, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, Dwight really tries to block a lot of shots. I don’t think I’ve seen another big man jump as high as they can with their arm stretched as far as it can on so many jumpers and floaters. Boston has hit some tough shots over him.
by garrettelliott on May 26, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
When the Celtics come down on offense, don’t watch the players — watch Stan Van Gundy on the sideline. He’s AMAZING.
by garrettelliott on May 26, 2010 10:36 PM EDT reply actions
for some reason
I like Big Baby. Dude took a hammer to the face…
Don't be callin' me dog cause I want ya to say it backwards - Tech N9ne
by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on May 26, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
Big Baby took an inadvertent Dwight elbow to the face and got a concussion, and Daniels smashed his head into Gortat’s chest for a concussion.
by garrettelliott on May 26, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It is pretty crazy.
So are the Suns… go for yours.
"The Lakers were favored 8 to 1 odds to beat the Pistons. Bullshit." - Bill Davidson, Championship parade, 2004
I would bet on it
If Perkins continues to rack up the techs and get ejected on both of the oncoming games. He’s the only center that fully stop Dwight. Even though we always beat the magic, Dwight would have some big games, while we just would make him work very hard and stop all of their 3 point shooters. KG has done a surprisingly good job (considering the size difference) but I don’t think you could throw him on him all game long, Sheed has become the human-Dwight-fouling machine (which I suppose is an upgrade from Amir) and Big Baby, although he has greatly improved on defense, just can’t do much more than harass Dwight.
However, I do expect the second tech to be rescinded. Perkins deserved the first one for elbowing Gortat after the play (btw, great block on Pierce), but he was walking away when he got that second one.
by bearded thundar on May 27, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, what??
I don’t know why this is surprising because it is Z-Bo, but that’s bad ass. Maybe Demarcus Cousins is secretly a pimp with Anderson Varejo as the head of his stable.
by Biz Markie Moon on May 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
varejao is his bottom bitch. yeah the zbo story should be in the lil sbnation box on the right of the screen. its one thing to get busted smoking dope but its kinda nuts to have the name kingpin thrown around in connection to your name. he kinda looks the kingpin from that godawful daredevil movie from a couple years ago though now that i think about it.
Probably just his weed carrier that got busted. Zach Randolph isn’t Tim Duncan, but he can’t be that damn stupid to be a drug kingpin.
It’s actually fitting that you mentioned Daredevil because an NBA player as a drug kingpin sounds like a Batman villain.
by Biz Markie Moon on May 27, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Z-Bo is on a tear
Maybe his best season ever, Boss status at slangin’ that Mota, and was beefing last night with some cats up in the “scrip club” (shout out to Pacman Jones)
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/5/27/1490216/zach-randolph-strip-club-fight-police-investigating
"The Lakers were favored 8 to 1 odds to beat the Pistons. Bullshit." - Bill Davidson, Championship parade, 2004
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