Hittin' the Links: More On The PS&E Lawsuit, Charlie V's Body, Hate, And The Potential Eight
by Packey on Jun 11, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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Print- Brgulker pinpointed a nice tidbit from Part 3 of the Joey D Q&A of JD saying nobody's been in the gym this off-season more than Ben Wallace and Charlie Villanueva. The Detroit News had more on Villanueva staying in Detroit to do his off-season workout regime. Villanueva definitely reads DBB:
- Listen, I get it that CV is paid a lot of money and he didn't perform to par in his first year in Detroit. However, it's complete and utter BS that he's the most hated athlete in Detroit, according to the poll at Piston Powered. Not only is he the most hated, he's hated by more than twice the total of the next hated athlete: Gerald 'can't crack Mendoza' Laird. There haven't been a lot of votes (roughly 400), but that's still absurd. There are three other names on that list who are much more deserving of the 'hate' and none of them are Pistons. It is a Pistons site, so I'm hoping most of his votes are from solely Pistons fans picking between the two names they recognize the most. Somehow, though, I highly doubt that and that reflects poorly on the voters.
- I FanShot'd yesterday that PS&E was suing Olympia Entertainment, claiming they stole confidential data. Well, Tom Wilson was not named in the lawsuit. The lawsuit names nine employees who followed Wilson to Olympia Entertainment:
The suit says the nine took confidential customer databases including e-mails of ticket buyers, and that one of the former employees tried to hack into a Palace Sports & Entertainment database from his Olympia computer.
- I'm going to aggregate all the Mock Drafts at some point like I did last year, but here's a sneak preview. Brian Levinson of CBSSports.com thinks the Pistons will take Cole Aldrich. AOL FanHouse's Jordan Schultz feels the same way. Davis Del Grande of CBS Sports thinks Demarcus Cousins will fall to the Pistons at the No. 7 spot. Jonathan Feigen (also CBS Sports) and Draft Express say Al-Farouq Aminu. NBADraft.net mocks Greg Monroe. What have we learned? Nothing really.
- Keith Langlois breaks down the eight guys he thinks Joe Dumars will bring in for work outs. Dumars has a list of six, but Langlois tosses two other names into the hat:
- The Izzo update stream on SB Nation Detroit is on fire and full of borderline creepy stalking. If you're an interested Spartans fan, curious he'll be our new enemy next season, or both, make sure you follow along.
- Avery Johnson is taking his clipboard and booming voice to New Jersey to coach the Nets.
- If you missed Big Baby really trying hard last night to denounce that nickname he hates, here's a couple pics and a video.
"I want to change my whole body," said Villanueva, who wants to get stronger and quicker.
Joe Dumars said this week that the realistic head count of players under consideration for the Pistons’ pick at No. 7 was six. If you start with the premise that John Wall, Evan Turner, Derrick Favors and DeMarcus Cousins will be out of play, then who makes up that group of a half-dozen that Joe D and his staff are analyzing, comparing and investigating with the draft clock at two weeks and ticking?
My best educated guess: Greg Monroe, Al-Farouq Aminu, Ekpe Udoh, Ed Davis, Wesley Johnson and Cole Aldrich. I’m throwing two more names onto the pile, though – Xavier Henry and Cousins. Still think it’s a long shot that Cousins slips through to No. 7, but there is enough buzz out there to make it a consideration. Also think it’s pretty unlikely Henry is the choice, but he’s intriguing enough as a shooter of unusual ability to warrant expanding the list on the chance that somebody else – Aldrich? Johnson? Davis? – isn’t really being considered at all.
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Like I said in the previous thread, I find it hard to hate on CV because he just seems like such a nice dude. That sucks that he’s killing the most hated athlete vote. I purposefully voted for Gerald Laird (even though I don’t know who that is) to try to counteract the Hatorade. With CV hitting the weights and the draft getting closer (and the playoffs almost mercifully over) I’m getting really pumped about next season again!
I agree. It’s hard to hate Charlie the person. I think he’s a genuinely good guy, he interacts with the fans even when it bites him, and he obviously wants to improve.
CV cares more about his tweets than his game
He is all talk. What about working out and conditioning his body the last few offseasons? Now all the sudden its a new CV? Show up in better shape and be willing to try on defence and I will shut my trap.
CV has been all talk so there is no reason to have faith in him. He just has to come in next year in the shape of his life and shut guys like me up. He has a good God given frame and maybe he is finally realizing he needs to work at it, maybe develop his shoulders in the process.
I read someone write that CV is an endomorph. At 6’11 if your an endomorph you likely weight much more than the 230lbs CV does and your hips tend to bulge out more giving one a bigger waist. This is not CV, his only excuse for being out of shape is his lazy self. An endomorph at 6’11 weighs much closer to 300lbs.
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
To be fair, Detroit's the only place that actually criticized CV31.
Every other place just gave up on him. “Well, he can’t meet his potential, ship him out.” Detroit’s one of the few places to give him a chance to not only be a permanent fixture of the team, but levy legit criticism towards him to help him get better. And honestly, I believe that he’s going to make the effort.
And why does everyone get up in arms about the tweets? I very much doubt he cares more about tweeting than his game. He just uses tweeting as a way to send unfiltered opinions out to his fanbase and communicate directly with them.
Detroit expects more of Villanueva, yet they’re still willing to stand by him (for better or worse) and give him a chance to succeed. I think Villanueva takes this to heart and it’s why he’s willing to work so hard this offseason. On the flip side, I will eat my words if Villanueva comes back looking exactly the same. But I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt for no other reason than, like others have said, he’s a nice guy.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 11, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No disrespect to VikesPMA, but take his comments about CV with a grain of salt. While he has reason to be frustrated, he’s admitted in previous threads that he really just doesn’t like the guy. There’s nothing wrong with that but note that the resulting perspective is a bit skewed.
I’m GLAD he tweets, I’m GLAD he engages social media. I think the responses he’s received from social media are as much a part of his feelings of athletic inadequacy as anything else. People have absolutely dogged dude this year on facebook, twitter and elsewhere, and we’d be foolish not to think he’s noticed and taken it into account on how he needs to improve.
I was really pissed at the way CV played this year. Beyond the injuries, he seemed entirely lost. But dude is capable of a hell of a lot more, and I don’t entirely regret the signing by Dumars. My biggest beef has always been about the doubling-down of shooting guard contracts. CV, however, has the best opportunity to perform to contract than any other non-rookie/vet-minimum player on this team. That may not be saying a lot, but honestly, Charlie has been given a contract that is entirely within his reach as far as production. The defensive liabilities may always remain, but when dude locks down in scoring he can be untouchable— for long stretches of games.
Charlie Villanueva is a good two years away from really clicking, to playing up to the level we’d expect. I don’t like that we signed him as a player in development. But of any recent moderately expensive free agent, Detroit and otherwise, CV has shown the capability of playing up to his contract. In short, he deserves patience as much as he deserves jokes about his figure. I, for one, would love to give him both.
Uh, me, new?
by Mike Payne on Jun 11, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I was really pissed at the way CV played this year. Beyond the injuries, he seemed entirely lost. But dude is capable of a hell of a lot more, and I don’t entirely regret the signing by Dumars.
I remember that piece you did about his accuracy within a certain distance of the basket. If he, and the team, can shift the focus of his game towards that area there is no doubt he will play up to his contract.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
I liked the signing to be honest
The guy at his best is a poor man’s Chris Bosh with a great contract. The talent is there, the problem was the work ethic and he had plantars fasciitis (which is known to greatly hamper speed and agility). Big Ben really seems to have rubbed off on him, and if that is truly the case, his consistency should greatly improve.
Never forget just how important diet and conditioning is to consistency (not to mention proper sleep). Lamar Odom is a great example of that. If you wake up every morning feeling refreshed and bursting with energy, then it will rub off on the court. However if you wake up very drowsy and stiff, then you simply will be bad at everything you do.
I remember how the Tigers did a rookie profile and they all talked about just how important it was to get enough sleep and eat better. Never forget that just because these men are more athletic than you or I, they are still human beings with fundamental needs for their health.
by bearded thundar on Jun 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Random question: doesn’t every player in the NBA have a personal chef? And if they don’t, why don’t they get one? If I had millions of dollars that would definitely be one of my splurges.
by garrettelliott on Jun 12, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It is okay to tweet and be involved in social media. Its just that when you make bold predictions, don’t live up to them and have an entirly dissappointing season you will look foolish. Maybe CV can take a step back from guaranteed winning seasons and games. Maybe quit telling everyone on twitter that your going to do something, you go out and actually make sure you can do it first.
Admittedly it was only one year, but we as Piston fans should expect better. A guy that is obviously out of shape and not playing well should lay off the excessive twitter until his game is out of the shitter. No?
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
It is okay to tweet and be involved in social media. Its just that when you make bold predictions, don’t live up to them and have an entirly dissappointing season you will look foolish. Maybe CV can take a step back from guaranteed winning seasons and games. Maybe quit telling everyone on twitter that your going to do something, you go out and actually make sure you can do it first.
He did that once. And frankly, I respect that. Yeah, he failed miserably (and made a fool of himself), but it reflects a level of commitment and trust in your team to even make a statement like that.
A guy that is obviously out of shape and not playing well should lay off the excessive twitter until his game is out of the shitter.
Can’t knock a guy for trying to make a public attempt to turn himself around.
Uh, me, new?
Actions speak louder than words
CV made claims before and during the season using twitter and ended up looking stupid every time. He guaranteed a winning season and that game for no reason. He has done it more than once and looked like an idiot every time, more than ONCE.
I do knock a guy that flaps his gums with nothing but lazyness to show for it. Instead of making a public attempt maybe he should make a personal one!
The only level of commitment I see from CV is out of his mouth. If he was fully committed, he would have been in better shape this year. Planter fasciitis? What a good time to work on your upper body strength then.
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
The only explanation I can come up with for your sheer anger at CV is that you were abused by an eyebrow-less clown in kindergarten.
Uh, me, new?
I have the same disease as Villanueva.
Except it’s not all over. But I can see why people hate us.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 13, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
most of the girls i've dated
have had that same, localized condition
(assuming you’re joking btw, if not, i’m an asshole and i’m sorry)
Uh, me, new?
I agree with Mike. Charlie pissed me off to no end last season, but he makes a lot of sense with a big man who defends and rebounds (post moves would be a welcome plus).
I was happy with the signing of CV
He sucked this year a big part of it being lack of effort, conditioning… Hopefully he plays better next year, but I seen no reason for optimism with him.
I thought his 7-8 million per was good at the time. I do hope he comes back next season with a purpose rather than dragging his ass all over the court like the sloth he represented this past season.
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
Jesus
DBB is going straight to hell now that it’s on the SBNation thing. It’s all spam anymore.
just EPINION
Something for you Wold Cup people...
but BYB is hosting a gamethread today for it.
http://www.blessyouboys.com/2010/6/11/1512360/world-cup-open-thread-june-11#comments
I don’t do soccer but I remember some discussion around here about it.
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nightmare fuel
sports has been going horribly for me. if i don’t get off the pistons bandwagon, we’re going to draft gordon hayward
I refuse to hate any player who realizes they need to be better. Charlie is apparently working his ass off during his vacation to get more in shape, and possibly working with the buffest guy in the state on it.
I also do not understand how you can hate Osgood. He may not have played well this season, but his attitude toward the Howard situation was absolutely perfect. Without Osgood’s guidance, Howard wouldn’t have got us to the playoffs like he did.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jun 11, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
Big Baby
…is playing well and showing why the DBB community was wrong to say he sucked this past off-season.
…he’s also proving why the DBB community was right to consider him a douche (cue clip of him dancing after a free throw in a game that was still in doubt). Perhaps, too douchey to be a Piston.
He did suck during the regular season, though.
Credit to him for stepping up, but his regular season numbers weren’t impressive. Jason Maxiell out performed him.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 11, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Getting paid a lot of money?
Not to nitpick, but the dude made the MLE ($5.8 million) last year. It’s not like we’re paying him $11 million a year. His production (12 and 5) in 23 minutes a game is about in line with his pay, though is poor defense probably drops him below value.
Considering how many guys make $3-5 million and don’t play significant minutes or contribute to their team, Villanueva’s deal hardly seems bad. Yeah, maybe we should have spent the money elsewhere but I hardly see Villanueva as deserving of “Worst Detroit Athlete.” Especially since he’s taking the criticism to heart and supposedly is working hard. If those numbers just to 15-7 with a better FG% and improved defense, he’d easily be worth his contract. Maybe more.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 11, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions
I was just about to say this.
Technically, he’s slightly more than the MLE. But, the MLE is the league average. I think he’ll prove to be a much better signing than someone like Marcin Gortat even if he ends up being the 3rd big in the rotation.
That being said, Charlie. Listen to EVERYTHING Arnie and Big Ben tell you and DO IT.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 11, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
In the long run, yes, he will be slightly over MLE
So expectations go up as pay goes up in my book. Next year, like I said, I expect 15-7 or somewhere around there and improvement on the defensive end. To me, that’s both reasonable (it’s not like I’m asking 20-10) and it would mean that he’s living up to his contract.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 11, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Charlie's contract is...
Significantly more than the MLE.
Per year, beginning with this past season:
$6,500,000 $7,020,000 $7,540,000 $8,060,000 $8,580,000
From what I read, the MLE was around $5.58 for 2008-2009.
Though the salary cap dropped, I’m not sure if overall salaries dropped, too. So I don’t know 2009-2010 but I’m assuming it’s somewhere around there. Average salary per year for Charlie is going to be about $7.5 million. Or I’m guessing about $2 million above the MLE. It’s just semantics but to me, that’s slightly over the MLE. Significantly would be pushing $3-4 million a year.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 11, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Pistons offered slightly more than the MLE to outbid Cleveland (who only had the MLE available to them).
by Quick Darshan on Jun 11, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I recall (and I'm probably wrong about this)
LeBron has been pushing heavy for the Cavs to add a stretch 4, and Villanueva was one of the targets because he was only going to cost them the MLE. They kind of cheaped out in the process, going after Jamison rather than Amar’e because Amar’e would have cost them J.J. Hickson (though this was all just rumors). They didn’t want to go with Jamison because of his contract and the fact that they’d lose a valuable expiring piece AND a first rounder, whereas Villanueva would have just cost them their yearly MLE, allowing them to go after other players with the expiring Big Z (maybe SG help?).
This is more speculation than actual definitive evidence, I’ll admit, but I think it lines up with what happened.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 11, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
$2 million is roughly 36% more than the MLE … so we offered him more than 1/3 of the MLE.
I’m not sure how that counts as “slightly over.”
smh @ everyone ignoring Jeff Backus
No wonder his ass hasn’t been fork-lifted out of Detroit…because no one gives a…anymore.
It's a Piston-Powered poll, correct?
Of course they’re ignoring Jeff Backus. and of course nobody gives a shit about a lions player on a Pistons blog.
If Charlie says he wants to change out his entire body, I really don’t know what more we can ask of the guy as fans. This is all pretty great to read. I hope he follows through on it. I sincerely hope we’re eating our words this time next season.
"The Lakers were favored 8 to 1 odds to beat the Pistons. Bullshit." - Bill Davidson, Championship parade, 2004
Re: Poll -
It’s gotta be between Laird and CV. CV is softer than silly putty, but at least he’s a good guy. But since his contract is the biggest (BG not counted) and name is the most out there, of course he is gonna feel the wrath. Laird is a legitimate POS, and I cant stop ripping the guy at every opportunity. Its my right and I am choosing to exercise it frequently. Leyland should have been on the list too, I cant stand that guy. Backus? Lions don’t merit consideration due to how poor they are.
why Leyland?
I think he’s doing pretty good with a bunch of rookies and a bunch of shitty hitters at the back of his lineup.
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Leyland..
for consistently having his teams in Detroit choke down the stretch (lest we forget our regular swoons late in the year), for not causing a ruckus when Galarrage threw a perfect game (what good did it do to saunter out there after the play happened, say two words and leave?, he should have went absolutely ballistic and been tossed…but no, AFTER the game he rants and raves. Pointless.) Leyland is only good for his quotes, which are known to be more contradictory than oil and water. The guy is a decent manager, but I still don’t particularly like him, I’d like to, but I don’t. Laird is still garbage though.
When it comes to baseball...
“team” is a hard word to use. Certain situations call for team thought obviously (sac bunt) but for the most part its collective use of individualized efforts. Similar to “team” but scrambled so you can get a “me” in there. Really the only time you see true team effort on a baseball team is the defenders behind the pitcher syncing up for double plays and making calls for fly balls.
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From SLAM's preview of the top centre prospects:
“1) (Previous Ranking — 5 -power forward) DeMarcus Cousins | Kentucky | Freshman
Here’s the guy who must be keeping GMs up at night and reaching for the Rolaids. He is a beast of a player, huge (6-11, 292-pounds, 7-5 wingspan) yet highly skilled, with the ability to score downlow or facing the hoops, not to mention his rebounding and shot blocking abilities. Yet, to say there are some red flags concerning him is an understatement. He’s considered a head case and not a very hard worker. He came in to the Pre-Draft Camp with the 12th highest body fat percentage ever (higher than even Shaq’s and Michael Sweetney’s), refused to do the bench press test because he "doesn’t lift weights" and skipped a bunch of team interviews. He could be a star; he could be a total bust. Yet, it still seems someone in the top five will grab him. Let it ride, GMs, let it ride."
Um, doesn’t lift weights? Hmm.
The not lifting weights doesn't worry me...
…as long as he’s building strength in other weights. I think I read that Kander’s not big on weight-lifting because it doesn’t translate to things you do on the basketball court.
But, if he skipped an interview with the Pistons… fuck him. Dumars is a GM that has shown that he will stand by players with “character issues” as long as they put the effort on the court (see: wallace, rasheed). If he skipped an interview with Joe, then I would have to think the character issues (which I always thought were overblown) are true.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 11, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
might not be a bad thing
He’ll have to change his work ethic of course, but that’s what Big Ben’s around to do (I mean he dragged in CV for offseason workouts).
If DeMarcus is already this strong without setting foot in a gym, imagine what he could do with the proper training? That changes everything about his poor athleticism, which likely could be greatly improved with the right workout.
Also that means that his baby fat will easily be burned off. It’s very easy to burn those first pounds, it’s once your body has adjusted to your regimen that it gets hard to lose weight.
by bearded thundar on Jun 11, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems like a case of a guy with some natural talent that was always alot bigger than everyone else. He didn’t have to work too hard because he was always bigger/stronger than his opponents and could bulldoze his way to the ring. Natural talent and size will only get him so far in the NBA, he’ll have to develop a solid work ethic. That being said, I still think he would be a valuable addition to the Pistons’ roster.
Big Ben can offer him advice, however, “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink”.
I should have said
Natural talent and size will make him a good player in the NBA but not a great player unless he develops a solid work ethic.
I think that people always find a way to get their needs.
Jokes aside, you are not giving Big Ben the credit he deserves. Ben is not only a vocal leader, but also lets his muscles finish his sentences. You try talking back to a guy that much stronger than you. Generally speaking, Big Ben get teammates to do what Big Ben want. Sheed was always at his best in every fascet when our ’fro’d friend was around, even with Flip Saunders (05-06 was actually one of Roscoe’s best years).
by bearded thundar on Jun 12, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Ben leads by example and is a great role model but it is up to the individual to want to put in the hard work and from everything I’ve read about DeMarcus Cousins, it seems like he doesn’t have that work ethic.
You make Ben sound like a stand-over man or the team bully, if you don’t do what I want then I’ll flex my muscles. I’m pretty sure CV wanted to train hard this off-season, to improve on last year’s performance, and wasn’t forced by Big Ben.
BTW, I liked the picture, can’t go wrong with a “The Family Guy” picture, always funny.
State of Pistons
Gotta get this off my chest… I have grown tired of hearing Joe D repeatedly say: we need toughness, more tough, etc.. But at the same time, he also keeps saying we need to draft, or bring in, these “good character” guys. While I understand that character is important, the 27 win season coupled with the fact that this team shows no interest in giving much effort on either end of the floor suggests that we need to seek ANY character guy that is willing to play hard. Truthfully, beyond Stuckey, Wallace (if he returns), Jonas, Max and perhaps Bynum, nobody else seems to play hard to me. Ben G and Charlie were awful, Rip is nearly useless when he’s not coming off screens shooting scoring (why he doesn’t do that anymore is beyond me?), and Tay is a "good character" player who is still a respectable defender, but is simply a role player. If I were running the team, I’d say: "We need anyone who plays with passion", or is "a competitor". Period… There are a number of complacent, "good character" guys up and down this roster. Getting "Good character" guys is great, but should not be our primary goal going into this summer. All the other teams are getting better, drafting real players while we cherry pick "good character" guys via draft, free agency. Driving me nuts!
The way I see it, we obviously (1) need to get bigger somehow. (2) Rip has got to go. As stated earlier, if we don’t use him the way we did when we were in the finals 2 consecutive years, it’s hard to imagine he or the Pistons would be successful as he is not as effective when he TRIES to take a player off the dribble. Not only is it hard to watch, but it drastically throws the offense out of sync. I have "Zero" coaching experience, but any Pistons fan who watched the last 6-7 years of this teams would know that he is almost a non-factor when he’s not coming off screens to score. It appears Larry Brown knew this, but every coach since him strayed away from using Rip that way. Really weird? If we could trade Rip for an above average rebounder with defensive post-presence, I’d be happy. I really like Rip as a player but if you’re not going to use him correctly, what’s the point. (3) Draft Cousins or Monroe with the seventh pick, and find ways to get Kwame and Summers more PT (I like Wesley Johnson too). Daye is a "good character" guy, but is play-dough soft… I really like Summers as he has some moves to take you off-the-dribble and he has a respectable mid-range game. (4) Send Charlie V somewhere for a 2nd round pick in 2015 (or later) to help free up some cap space. Wilcox doesn’t want to play D, so send him somewhere too. (5) Find a solid shooter in the second round of this years draft. I don’t hear anyone talking or writing about that. (6) Ease off of Jonas’s bandwagon a little. He was a great find, but some mention him as if he’s a franchise/impact player.
Joe D has his hands full. A series of poor decisions on retaining and bringing in players (and COACHES!) has left this team with, disinterested, "good character" guys who are struggling to win in this league. It’s going to be hard to correct this issue. The very last thing I want to see come Draft night is another "project" selected with the 7th pick, or a really small build guy who lacks toughness. We need anybody who plays hard, except for someone at the PG position. I really like Stuckey, but we often find him the only player with the intensity needed to win a game at this level. If any piston fans think we’d be better off trading him for something, that other option better be a good one because he is one of the only players we have that plays the way we need to in order to get back to seriously contending. He may not be a prototypical PG, but he can score and (somewhat) defend with some type of consistency.
the pistons really suck right now
as pointed out by other people on this site, joe d once turned an awful franchise into a perennial contender and one-time champion. he then turned it into an awful franchise again. maybe he can turn it around again.
IMO, i don’t think the “turned around” team will feature: Hamilton, Gordon, CV, Daye, and maybe not Prince. I think we’ll have to clean house.
by redwingxviii on Jun 11, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
lowball = CV
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
CV can play in the NBA, most second rounders cant even crack the rotation and are out in a few years. see: the majority of pistons second rounders. also, wasnt the knock on daye that he isnt a good character guy? that he was somewhat lazy and didnt want to work out? as for giving summers more pt, i have feeling that if he gets more pt that will only accelerate the realization that he is a worthless second rounder who will go the way of mr walter sharpe. nothing that ive seen from him makes me think that he will become a good player.
dudes totally right for the most part about how rip is being used, i also hate seeing rip trying to create off the dribble.
Don't know where you heard that about Daye.
I haven’t read anything about him being lazy. He worked out hard to add strength last off-season and is doing the same now. He’s got a lot of facets to his game (shooting, ball-handling, passing), so I doubt he’s lazy.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 11, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah you've got it flipped
Daye was the quintessential character guy from Gonzaga’s squad. People contended that there were better prospects on the board at 15 but that Daye’s character sold JoD on taking him there.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Yeah, Daye DID add about 15 pounds from the draft to last season.
I believe he went from 190 to 205.
As for non-Larry Brown coaches not knowing to do with Rip, I don’t think that’s true. Rip’s 2008-2009 production wasn’t that far off from the Larry years, and his best three years came under Saunders. In fact, I’d say this year was probably the first year he was drastically “misused.” I don’t know if that was by plan or because of the injuries.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 11, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i seem to remember some article that was written by dudes from gonzaga about his bad attitude or laziness or something. it might have just been hearsay and speculation. i dunno, might have just been some jerks from gonzaga with a grudge. prolly the same six dudes who started the austin daye is a bust facebook group.
yeah, people had doubts about his work ethic for what its worth.
His work ethic was questioned by some before the draft, something I viewed as a sign that Dumars would not invest this pick in him.
thats from smokingpistons.com for what its worth.
also from ballinisahabit
The other big question mark with Daye is his attitude. Too often during the season, he would whine to officials about calls, sulk when he wasn’t getting the ball, or let a poor shooting night affect the way that he was playing in other aspects of the game. It is never a good sign when a player lets the flow of the game affect the way he is playing as much as Daye does.
I’ve read about the sulking (on draftexpress), but haven’t read the work ethic thing. The latter I don’t buy at all.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 11, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
the knocks on Daye pre-draft
were mostly about weight and frame, but also about maturity and body language. You were right when mentioning that, MFDD.
Uh, me, new?
I definitely noticed the body language thing during games. He’d miss a shot and hang his head as he ran back on D. Sometimes even when he’d make the shot, he still looked upset.
by garrettelliott on Jun 12, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
A 2nd rounder is ridiculous
It would be nice if the Pistons put a package deal that involved CV. That way any teams left that have faith or see promise in CV could do it while getting Tay or RIP.
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
I wonder if Chuckles uses protein powder?
If you want fast gain, you have to use a very good protein supplement. They greatly improve upon your recovery time, which allows you to work out more, and so on and so forth.
I’m a fan optimum nutrition, their products are very clean – very little fillers and they are edible (actually taste very good for a power shake)
by bearded thundar on Jun 11, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe he’s doing p90x after reading about it here?
by garrettelliott on Jun 11, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
that would do the trick
The core synergetics would greatly help him out; you can tell just looking at him that he’s got a very weak core. Regardless of how the extremities end up, if he’s got a strong core, he’ll be able to camp out in the paint if he wants to
by bearded thundar on Jun 11, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah completely agree
Yoga X would kick his ass and give him balance and footwork never seen on the hard woods…and staring at some german potato soup during chest and back would help his mental stability if ya know what I mean… ;-)
OKRA!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Haha, I was kind of being tongue-in-cheek about p90x. But I hear it works. :)
by garrettelliott on Jun 11, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Charlie getting yoked up is not a hard task at all.
Ben Wallace is still one of the most jacked up fuerte motherfuckers in the league. You have Kander. You have millions up millions, and you have no job other than basketball practice.
"The Lakers were favored 8 to 1 odds to beat the Pistons. Bullshit." - Bill Davidson, Championship parade, 2004
Yes, he can even afford the Shake Weight.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 11, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldn't lipo be a legitimate option?
It’s much easier to add muscle than it is to lose fat; it may actually be worth his while to basically start from scratch
by bearded thundar on Jun 11, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
DBB...
where quack weight-loss advice happens…
just EPINION
by real Rob G on Jun 11, 2010 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
At least no one has suggested for him to become anorexic or bulimic
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
CV can read minds?
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.
by Laughton on Jun 12, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It seems inevitable that he’ll be on the Jazz.
by garrettelliott on Jun 12, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
makes a lot of sense.
Why can’t the Pistons be run as well as the Jazz? At least when they tanked after Stockton and Malone left, they tanked the right way and got Dwill out of the deal. Not to mention every year they assemble strong, hard nosed teams that play good defense, can score a ton and do not dip too far into the luxury tax. I feel that if Davidson had let Dumars go a bit into the luxury tax, we could have kept memo and would have a better bench in general thanks to the MLE.
Sure we have 3 titles and they have none, but the Bad Boys peaked before Jordan did, where as the Jazz peaked around Jordan’s best years. Nothing was going to stop MJ in the 90s, especially once he started getting the special massages from the league. And even when we were one of the best teams in the league this decade, we could never beat the Jazz..
by bearded thundar on Jun 12, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Jazz have had their salary cap victims.
Ask Eric Maynor.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 12, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Also.
Ronnie Brewer was traded for luxury tax relief, wasn’t he?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 12, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Coaching
Pistons have had approximately 876 coaches in the last 6 years.
Jazz… 1 in like the last 25 (too lazy to actually look it up).
I think that my have something to do with the stable team identity.
by Big Z in Orlando on Jun 16, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
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