Pistons / Kings Trade in Detroit's Hands
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I understand Tay is our best trade chip, but (if true) this is very annoying.
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I'd do that trade...
…Tayshaun and the 7th for Nocioni and the 5th.
You could get more for Tayshuan’s contract because he’s a good player and it’s an expiring contract. But, I think there’s a big drop off after Cousins and Favors.
Nocioni’s contract isn’t awful. It’s two years so it’s tradeable. I’m not sure what would happen if he decided to go play in Europe. Perhaps, he could be nudged in that direction.
Give him time.
The other GMs actually still respect him, he’ll make the best trade out of this. But yeah, if it does come down to this or nothin, I better be seeing a one, two euro-punch at the 3 position next year.
If it does happen, we may not know until July.
We might see the Pistons draft Aminu or someone else for Sacramento. And then when the trade moratorium is lifted, the deal would happen.
But so far the Pistons have been adamant that they’re holding on to Prince,
WHY in the EFF would this be our position? He is clearly, obviously, undeniably our best trade chip?
loyalty is my guess
It could be that Prince does not want to go there, and you saw Joe trade away Billups for a washed up version of AI just because of loyalty.
Otherwise it makes no sense. Sure we’re trading away our second best piece, but we’re also upgrading our best piece – that draft pick could be turned into a better player, especially after we got Cousins. And it’s not like Nocioni is a horrible player on a lengthy contract, we could be out of it as early as next July.
by bearded thundar on Jun 16, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree re: loyalty, but if I were Prince I wouldn’t see Sacramento as a bad place to go. He’s in his home state, playing for a team on the rise with a solid core and a contributing big with the #7. Prince is a better fit for the WC anyway, and you’d think he’d enjoy being the veteran voice on what could be a playoff team in a year or two. Besides, he’s expiring anyway, so if he’s not happy he can just play the free agent market in 2011.
Uh, me, new?
I agree
Playing alongside Tyreke and Monroe would be much better than either of his last two seasons in Detroit. Maybe he doesn’t like the sun (just look at his skin complexion)
by bearded thundar on Jun 16, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Nocioni + 5 for Tay + 7 doesn't work
Nocioni doesn’t get paid enough and the difference in salaries associated with the 5th and 7th picks aren’t enough to make up the difference.
So we’d have to take on something else, the most likely candidate being Beno Udrih and having us add in Max or a signed and traded Bynum.
And how is Detroit “adamant” about keeping Tay? JoD has said time and again that everyone is tradeable on this team. Sounds like either plain BS or JoD posturing to try to add inferred value around Tay.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Sacramento will be under the cap July 1st
So it’ll be announced as agreed upon until it is official in July.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 16, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
throw in a few second rounders from Sacktown
That would make it work and make me very happy
by bearded thundar on Jun 16, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Party fowl
For pluralizing Jonas Jerebko. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! JONASLANDER!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 16, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
never going to happen
I contacted SB nation and they refuse to implement it
by bearded thundar on Jun 16, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm glad they won't add an edit button
people would abuse it to edit content, not just errors. without an edit button, our words are bond.
Uh, me, new?
that was their reasoning
stating that a preview was designed to prevent errors.
But I would argue that at least here, we do a very good job of self-moderation, minus the spammers of course
by bearded thundar on Jun 16, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah it's a been the topic of discussion many a emails
and it doesn’t seem like it’ll ever get implemented.
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Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I’m pretty sure this means that joe is saving tay for another trade. or just doesn’t think that that valuable of a trading chip is worth spending to move up. I expect to see tay traded this summer
Or we could just let him expire.
And have like $15 mil+ cap space next summer.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 16, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And go after Marc Gasol
Yes please thank you mucho.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
We could trade for Marc
Chris Wallace is a dumbass, and I’m sure once Rudy Gay leaves, he’ll want a well known smallforward at all costs
by bearded thundar on Jun 16, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we could even convince him that Rip is big enough to play SF at 6'7
I mean after all Tay is 6’9 and only like 3 lbs heavier…pretty much the same player if you ask me.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Well I doubt he will be signing any more SG's
since there may be a couple SFs available.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
by Kriz on Jun 17, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If true
There is no way anything at all happens before the draft. It would really suck trading away Tay and then have Cousins taken at 4.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
Oh yeah...this will be a Love for Mayo type trade
Where Mayo was picked 3rd, Love 5th, and the trade announced at around the 8th or 9th pick…
So Kings would take Cousins, and assuming Golden State didn’t take Monroe, we’d take Monroe and then finalize the deal in the ensuing 15-20 minutes.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
And I still stand by my original assessment
that a team with Gay Love on it would have defeated everyone.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
It really is a shame that the Gay-Love era only lasted for a matter of minutes
The Gay-Mayo era, while sort of a double entendre, is hardly adequate compensation.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jun 17, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Don Ameche on the other hand, is dead but available
"For fam like the Partridges, pardon him for the mix up
battle for your Atari cartridges or put your kicks up, it’s a stick up"
I love how hard you are working at convincing yourself that the worse case scenario will happen.
You can’t be surprised if you’re expecting it.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
Hi...King's fan here
Maybe you guys can help me figure this out. I don’t see you guys making this trade unless Cousins or Favors is available and I don’t see the King’s making this trade unless they aren’t available. The Kings are really in need of a decent big and I don’t see why they would pass on a chance for either of these 2. I think it’s checkmate, some guys at StR disagree with me.
I think your best shot is to trade up to 4 where Minn won’t take Cousins if he’s there.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
If you think Favors will be there at 5
I’d throw in Jerebko and all his beautiful swedish women also.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 16, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Favors goes 2 or 3
But it only takes 2 bad picks for him to get to 5 and we have a guaranteed bad pick at 4
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
I know
Why take Wes Johnson when Aminu is still on the board? Makes no sense. Some GMs just don’t get it.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
i heard Minni is seriously considering Wall with the 4th pick.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 16, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I would
He’s got a 6’9" wingspan. Can you imagine those long arms stroking it really slowly from deep?
by bearded thundar on Jun 16, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Mmm...
Long and smooth.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jun 17, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
don't be surprised if he falls a bit
Stephen Curry was considered a top 4 lock and he fell to 7 because of questions of size. Favors could very slip because he just does not have much at all in the way of skill (size and athleticism are the only things he has going for him).
by bearded thundar on Jun 16, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Curry slipped because
Minnesota drafted like a bunch of idiots…I think their thought process went a little something like this:
T’Wolves: OMG RUBIO IS AVAILABLE TAKE HIM NOW…
David Stern: With the 5th overall pick the Minnesota Timberwolves select Ricky Rubio from esssssssssssssssspana!
T’Wolves: SHIT! A prima donna like Rubio would never play in Minnesota! We’ll be lucky to see him for a single season if at all! DRAFT ANOTHER POINT GUARD!!!! Who’s this Johnny Flynn character? 2 n’s in each of his names? MINNESOTA HAS TWO N’S IN ITS NAME! FUCKING FATE DRAFT HIM NOW!
David Stern: With the 6th overall pick the T’Wolves select…another point guard? WTF McHale?
David Stern: With the 7th overall pick the GS Warriors select Stephen Curry! PG from Davidson.
T’Wolves: Wait…who’s Stephen Curry?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 16, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
oh, and
T’Wolves: Oh, and let’s ruin Mike Payne’s dreams forever and sign Ramon Sessions only to play him out of position Suck it, Mike Payne! Sessions sucks!
Uh, me, new?
by Mike Payne on Jun 16, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with David Kahn
Suck it Mike Payne! And by the way, I’ve always thought “Mike Payne” sounded kinda emo…
Lyrics to Mike Payne's unreleased emo demo
I LOVE YOU HARDER THAN MY FACE
by Mike Payne
(verse 1)
I met you in in the produce aisle
I said “hi”, but you took a while
Then you said “hi”…
And I said “hi…
What’s your name?”
And you said “Jane”
Then weighed your asparagus
(chorus)
I love you harder than my face
You take me to a… To a better place.
Your love was a chance I had to take
And it’s harder than my face
(verse 2)
Two years later, he we are
You at your day job, me on guitar
Riffing to the sadness of our pillows
Said our pillows… Lying in pillows
Pillows are lying to me!
(chorus 2)
I love you harder than my face
You take me to a… To a better place.
Your love is my butterfly mistake
And it’s harder than my face
(bridge)
I dreamed last night I was with youuuuuuuu
Counting glasses on the table where our love was born
You looked at me and said you were hiding
You were hiding… My heart so, my heart so…
Pumped blood on the salt-shaker
(chorus 3)
I love you harder than my face
You take me to a… To a better place.
800 lb. gorilla in the room has mace
And it’s harder than my face
Harder than my face…
Harder than my face…
The guilty will give chase…
I said it’s harder than my face.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 17, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Ladies and Gentleman, EVERY BRIGHT EYES SONG EVER!!!!!
Don’t get me started on them.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 17, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
FTW
Easily the funniest stuff on DBB since the smallball literary outburst.
by Big Z in Orlando on Jun 17, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyit
not yet brother, but soon-ish. next october, not this one. but your interest makes me love you even more, ’Nons
Uh, me, new?
The funny part about it is that there was talk about Rubio not wanting to play for Minnesota (if they drafted) well before the draft. smh.
I wasn’t sure if Curry would turn out to be a good PG but I knew one thing his shooting game would definitely translate into the NBA. Minnesota definitely missed out on that…twice.
agreed
I don’t think that anyone believed Curry would make the transition so seemlessly. I don’t understand the infatuation with Westbrook; he’s horribly inefficient. However Stephen not only is a good shooter but also showed a nice floater and the ability to finish around the rim on top of finding spot up shooters.
by bearded thundar on Jun 16, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that anyone believed Curry would make the transition so seemlessly.
I did, but I had the luxury of watching every single one of his games for 3 years.
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actually, i think stern thought, wTf Kahn. Then shook his fist, saying Kahn over and over, since the good people of Minnesota didn’t deserve flynn when Curry was their destiny.
thanks for the intranets wizardry diablo. alas, this was my vision all along, but i wasn’t savvy enough to make it happen.
by C$ on Jun 17, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year's class was much better.
This class is 6 deep and drops off mightily after Monroe.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 16, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
what!?
Last year’s class was considered to be one of the weakest in the past 5 years until after the draft. This one is considered to be one of the deepest drafts for big men in the past decade or two. Sure there are no point guards behind Wall, but they all went in last year’s draft.
Just wait until after the draft to judge it. As I said, people really lowballed last year’s, and I think you will find this one to be very good for what we need. Just look at the second round talent available, a few of them actually were projected for the lottery last year (due to lack of bigs) but had miserable seasons this year and really fell.
by bearded thundar on Jun 16, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
This of course is my biggest fear about this draft
It is projected to be insanely deep for bigs…but doesn’t the NBA have a knack for over-valuing bigs? When it comes to contracts at least, that is for sure.
So what happens if this draft is “insanely deep” for bigs simply because there are a lot of over-valued bigs coming into the draft?
I’m sure that we’ll see 3 or 4 of the bigs coming out end up being forces but what about the other 10-15 that have come up in discussion between the 1st and 2nd round picks we have?
Not disagreeing with anything you say above by the way, just expressing my own concerns with this draft class being touted as deep for bigs.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
It is projected to be insanely deep for bigs…but doesn’t the NBA have a knack for over-valuing bigs?
Big men get paid because big men are rare.
That’s because the biggest ones end up in porn
by bearded thundar on Jun 17, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
better career longevity
porn or basketball?
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 17, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
basketball = more money
But who cares if you are already making $1 mil a year and literally get the hottest women in the world?
I would take porn hands down, and it’s not like bad knees would ever be a problem
by bearded thundar on Jun 17, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
But who cares if you are already making $1 mil a year and literally get thehottestmost artificial women in the world?
Fixed!
Also cleanest.
I don’t remember where i read it, but porn stars have a lesser rate of STDs than the general public.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 17, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
of course
They get tested and screened all the time.
If you own such a company, would you ever let one decent egg corrupt your whole basket?
by bearded thundar on Jun 17, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah...
their industry depends on it. Who wants to see a rubber on some penis-pumped ram rod in the midst of rubbing one out? Talk about a mood killer.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I figured that moving Nocioni's contract would be a big part of this trade
And since your GM seems to still be on the fence between Cousins and Monroe, if he could get Monroe at 7, plus a veteran SF that would be willing to play a secondary role to Tyreke, plus provide the veteran leadership that Sacramento will need if they have hopes of playoff appearances, it seems like this would be a pretty fair trade…assuming it worked.
But I think I mentioned above/below that Noc for Tay and swapping picks wouldn’t work and I can’t see Sacramento giving up a 2010 2nd rounder to make salaries meet so it’d either have to be a number of future 2nd rounders or adding players to the mix.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
You keep bringing this up, but...
My understanding is that future draft picks do not hold monetary value in trades. So, if the trade went through before the draft, the picks don’t get included in the salaries.
However, this trade could not work before July 1, since both teams are over the cap. But, after July 1, the Kings have tons of cap space so they can absorb the difference. The deal could not be official until after July 1. It would be Kings take Cousins, Pistons take whoever Kings want and then after July 1, the Pistons trade Tay and whoever for Nocioni and Cousins. It’s perfectly feasible.
And actually, even after the draft I’m sure second round picks don’t get counted in trade salaries since they do not have guaranteed contracts. They would only count after they are signed which usually happens way later. You just be trading the rights to sign the player.
I’m not sure at what point after the draft the first round pick’s salary would get counted in a trade.
technically
the draft picks can be deemed any reasonable value by the traders (or at least that is what I have read)
by bearded thundar on Jun 16, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I stand corrected.
I see what you’re saying now…just wasn’t reading it that way for some reason. The frustrations of Trade machines I guess.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
According to Trade Machine:
People are talking about the trade not working unless the Kings throw in another player of equal value of Prince’s contract. But according to the trade machine all the Kings have to do is throw in another player making approximately only 800-900K a year.
Example: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cajf3n
You can take out Donte Green and replace him with any of their other players that haven’t re-signed who are also worth about as much.
Nocioni's contract is far worse than anything on the Pistons books
If Sacramento gets anything of value back for Nocioni they are going to do cartwheels.
$7.5M for 3 years / 11.2 PER
I would hesitate to swap Prince for Nocioni if I got the #2 pick back in the draft, that’s how bad Nocioni’s contract sucks. He’s going to be behind Daye, Jerebko, and Maxiell on the depth chart, nevermind when Rip plays SF. Sacramento would have to toss in Jason Thompson and maybe take back Wilcox for this trade to be in the ballpark of fair.
Worth eating it for Cousins/Favors
If we could somehow get them to take Rip (not happening), it would be Rasheed-level robbery.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jun 17, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, they're definitely not taking Rip's contract
After dumping Kevin Martin’s last year. Can’t hurt to dream though…
Can understand looking at last year's PER
But his career is 13.2 and when he was last playing with Gordon as high as 16, 15, and 13.
If we started Jerebko at the 3, Maxiell at the 4 and Cousins at the 5, we’d have Nocioni, Daye, CV, and Wallace to come off the bench. Which isn’t too bad if Chunky comes out Chiseled.
It’s a reasonable contract to swallow if it means getting a talent like Cousins on the team. And Rip’s contract is far worse EMO!!!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
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