If The Pistons Want Cousins, They'll Have To Trade Up
Golden State taking a hard stance, "We told Cousins that there's no way he's slipping past six. We'll take him if he's there."
Draft Express added: NBA source says both Detroit & Houston are making a major push to trade w/Minnesota to get Cousins with the 4th pick. "His stock is rising."
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I just saw you put this in the other thread, too
In the words of Manute Bol: “My bad.”
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I still call BS on Golden State just because he doesn't fit their system
But then again, I never thought he would he would fall to 6th to begin with.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
I call BS on you
Our fastbreaks consist of 2-3 players with 1 trailer and 1 guy staying at home. Sometimes we only have a 1 man fastbreak in Monta. We need a banger and the system we run wont be here much longer anyway since Nellie is out soon anyway
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
I call BS on you also too as well budzfan
/Spy Hunter’d
"For fam like the Partridges, pardon him for the mix up
battle for your Atari cartridges or put your kicks up, it’s a stick up"
by Skylar on Jun 22, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This is the smart move by GS, regardless of whether they want to keep him, trade down, or pick Cousins to trade him later.
I think they intend to trade him
I’ve been hearing from several places that their management actually doesn’t like him as a player.
by bearded thundar on Jun 21, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that Nellie said hed love to have him and Riley said he liked him
The rumor your speaking about was smoke and mirrors called out by our whole media here
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
I won’t sleep the next 3 days,I can’t. I want Cousins in Blue-White-Red.But the Rockets can be a mayor player.So.nervous.
Isn't this the stance we should expect though?
I mean yeah it stinks to hear but Golden State takes this stance not necessarily because Cousins is still who they covet most, but because Cousins is who WE covet the most.
So why would they let us have him for nothing when they know we have Tayshaun as an expiring contract + some solid young bigs like Jerebko or Summers that could fit into their system pretty well? They could just as easily want Aminu but know that there is no way Aminu gets taken in the top 6.
If that’s the case, then they’d be fools not to take Cousins and hold our feet to the flames to make a move that would net them more than just Cousins.
As for Portland acquiring the #34 pick. Maybe Golden State feels there is a good shot to force us into trading our #7 and our #36 + Tay for Cousins and Maggette? I’d still do this assuming we can get back into the mix in the late 2nd round to grab Art.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I know he has a terrible contract...
But Maggette was an absolutely dynamic offensive player last year. I would do that deal in a heartbeat, then try to buy another 2nd round pick.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jun 21, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
why not just straight up buy more 2nds?
I still don’t get why more teams don’t do that. A lot of GMs just seem to throw away seconds on random projects or sell them off like Phoenix. Joe actually seems to have a high success rate with them
by bearded thundar on Jun 21, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Maggette’s contract isn’t terrible. Just a little bit larger than CV’s, and you get more out of him on offense.
CV looks much more in shape this year
They showed him on that draft special (still not sure why they showed it only at midnight though); he looks much leaner and actually had a bit of muscle definition.
Maggette is just absolutely ripped, that really helps him play in the post. If CV can at least come into camp with a very strong core, he should be able to provide just about as much versatility.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
MetroPCS Pistons Draft Special
"The MetroPCS Pistons Draft Special" will air on Channel 4 WDIV on Sun., June 20, at midnight. The special will re-air on Fox Sports Detroit three more times (6/21 at 7 p.m., 6/23 at 4 p.m. and 10:30 p.m.) before the draft takes place Thurs., June 24.
No to Jerbko and Summers, not the right players for us
ANd Riley said ha has all the intentions to go big and that Monroe and Cuz are our guys. Aminu is no
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
As for the Houston/Minnesota trade potential
I don’t see what Houston could offer…assuming Houston is moving up for Cousins, they must feel that Yao’s return to former strength is highly unlikely. They obviously don’t trade Yao to Minnesota since he’s a huge expiring next season…but that means that Minnesota likely wouldn’t be able to move Al Jefferson if Houston is looking to acquire Cousins and is retaining Yao because there aren’t really any other trade scenarios that work in favor of Minnesota who ultimately holds the negotating strength in this case.
Maybe Houston needs a new PG? Do they think Johnny Flynn or Ramon Sessions is the one? If so, they could swap Aaron Brooks or someone else on a relatively small contract for Flynn and offer a few 1st rounders, but Minnesota already has boatloads of first rounders so what is Minnesota going to pick up like 5 guys in the 1st round? Doubtful.
Having said all that, I find it surprising that Houston came out of left field. My theory:
The rumors of Cousins wanting to play in Detroit and Detroit being in love with Cousins is fucking with everyone. Minnesota is probably talking to JoD but they need JoD to feel like he needs to move up to #4 in order to guarantee getting Cousins. So in comes Houston to push Detroit into a trade that is significantly more favourable to Minnesota.
Meanwhile, you have GS stating they won’t let him drop any further most likely because they know how badly we want them and what we’d likely have to give up to get him while only swapping one pick up with GS.
Sacramento is still trying to decide if they want him while trying to hedge whether or not a pick swap at 7 would land them the player they want (Monroe). Knowing Golden State and their affinity for offensively gifted bigs, they can’t expect Monroe to drop past 6 if Cousins is off the board so Sacramento has to be feeling wary of setting something like this up prior to draft day.
In the end, Mutant Russian Mark Cuban will fuck all of us, draft Cousins instead of Favors, and win a championship with him in 5 years or less.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
you should throw in the illuminati, lizard people and the bilderburgers too
thats one complicated scenario, all these deals and players in said deals are getting pretty complex.
I know the Stonecutters are behind this.
DAMN YOU MONTY BURNS! DAMN YOU!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 21, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
who robs gamefish of their sight? who rigs every oscar night?
WE DO! WE DO!
by dandresden on Jun 21, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
:)
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 21, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, what?
What rumors are there of Cousins wanting to play in Detroit?
There have been a few out
It was mentioned in an article written on ESPN last week. It’s been echoed by a few additional sources although Cousins apparently came out and said that “him only wanting to play in Detroit was a lie” but that Detroit is one of his favored places along with Sactown NJ and one other team that I can’t remember.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
You serious?
We have the most trade assets out of any team possibly. We have Jordan Hill who made a giant splash after we got him from NY. We have two NYK first round picks(one next year, and one the year after), we have Chase Budinger who showed he can be an efficient shooter and scorer when healthy. We can dangle Aaron Brooks if we wanted to. Minnesota would drool if we did that. That’s the reason they are offering Flynn to the Pacers right now. We can afford to trade Brooks, we have the best back up PG in the league- Kyle Lowry. We honestly have too many trade pieces. Detroit is the team that does not have any good trade assets, except maybe an aging Rip Hamilton.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 21, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Pacers offered their pick for Flynn, Minny said no.
Please don’t bring up Budinger, you forget that was our pick you guys got him with. We have since gotten over losing him, but no need to rub salt in that wound.
And Lowry is no where near close to being the best backup in the league. I would rather have either Darren Collison or Ramon Sessions. Collison put up Chris Paul numbers when he started and Ramon has shown he can both score and rack up the assists at will.
We honestly have too many trade pieces. Detroit is the team that does not have any good trade assets, except maybe an aging Rip Hamilton.
Seriously, what did you want to achieve by saying that? Feel free to leave our forum at any time if you just want to spam us with your fanboyism.
by bearded thundar on Jun 21, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give you Collison,
but Sessions isn’t quite as good as Lowry.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 22, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
*gasps*
You’re about to feel the Payne.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
by Kriz on Jun 22, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
....
Have you seen Lowry play?
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 22, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd watch your back
Kriz is correct, there will be a serious imminent Payne in your ass
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Detroit is the team that does not have any good trade assets, except maybe an aging Rip Hamilton.
lol wut
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 21, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
the guy doesn't seem to know anything about basketball
He must have been one of those guys that thought the Billups for AI deal favored us
by bearded thundar on Jun 21, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just baffled that of all players he picked as an asset.
Richard Hamilton? Really?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 21, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I know I laughed at that
not Daye, Jonas, Tay, Will, Stuckey or our #7 pick.
Rip Hamilton of all people.
But hey if he thinks that’s our best asset, I would gladly trade him for Scola
by bearded thundar on Jun 21, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You think Will Bynum is a better trade piece than Rip?
Bynum has potential, but he isn’t proven yet. I left out players who I thought you guys weren’t going to trade for sure(Ex: Stuckey).
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 22, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Bynum had 20 assists in one game.
And 26 points in one quarter.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I missed that one.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 22, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You have to consider that Brooks gets a ton of minutes so It's hard to give Lowry some.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 22, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
i think we just had a discussion a few weeks ago about lowry, mostly everyone seems to think he is pretty good but nothing really great. why would you guys want to get rid of brooks? he seems like a pretty good player whenever ive watched him play. dude is lightening quick.
by dandresden on Jun 22, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he's fools gold
He’s a terrible defender and isn’t any more a true point guard than Stuckey. The only advantage (over Stuckey) he has is his 3 point shooting.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He is a good defender.
Every PG is twice his size though.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 22, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
no he's not
http://www.82games.com/0809/08HOU1.HTM
A defensive rating of 106 is pretty bad. Anything around 102 or less is considered pretty good (I believe Ben Wallace had something ridiculous like 94 in 03-04).
Also that points out what I saying before, he’s fools gold. The team does just well with him off the court as they do on the court, and you have to take into account that he plays mainly with starters and primarily the bench plays when he doesn’t.
Fact of the matter is that Lowry is actually the more useful player between the two. He has a defensive rating of 101.8, which is great for a guard. He also has a better Roland Rating than Brooks. Pair him up with the starters and his offensive rating would greatly increase.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Well,
we need Brooks. Brooks is another lethal shooter to surround Yao with.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 22, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
assuming Yao stays on the court
At the point in their careers I would rather have Scola
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry,
didn’t think about Stuckey or Tayshaun.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 22, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I do know basketball,
just not much about the Pistons. I left out Tayshaun by mistake. He would probably be a bit more valuable(I wouldn’t know honestly) than Rip. But since you are calling me a moron, what trade assets do the Pistons have to offer? Didn’t mean to come off as a troll about saying that you guys didn’t have any trade pieces, The Boourns just kinda got to me with the comment that said that we have no trade pieces. And for the record I actually thought Billups was a steal for Denver.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 22, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Starting with...
Expiring Tayshaun
Jerebko
Expiring Wilcox
Stuckey
Hamilton (Minnesota does want a SG after all although I’m not arguing Rip is a fair trafe off with the potential of Wesley Johnson)
Maxiell
Daye
The only players that JoD wouldn’t be able to move in this scenario are Charlie V and Ben Gordon more than anything because of their contracts.
And one thing you don’t have? The #7. There is no guarantee that the Pistons will be playoff contenders next year and if they had to I’m sure they’d go as far as to consider throwing in a future 1st rounder depending on who the players were in the deal.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
rockets are pretty stacked with picks of all sorts
im kinda surprised that they would part with brooks, he seems like a pretty good lil point guard but their gm is quite the smart cookie. i have much respect for him, he raped donnie walsh for that tmac contract and always seems to make pretty decent moves.
you guys lucked out with NY
If they weren’t such dumbasses, you would be on level playing field with everyone else.
You watch, NY will end up with Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer and without any good picks for the next 3 years
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
That's why we love Daryl Morey.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 22, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I will concede that Morey is the man.
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
bone31crusher must certainly be an ode to #31 Shane Battier
Shane Batterer, the Bone Crusher, the man who turnt Dwayne Wayne’s shoulder to dust
Oh how I hath coveted thine smashmouthing small forward, with his surly style of defense and head full of ripples
sigh
"For fam like the Partridges, pardon him for the mix up
battle for your Atari cartridges or put your kicks up, it’s a stick up"
Thank You!
I had almost forgotten that amazingly beautiful scene of Wade in a wheelchair because of a shoulder injury.
That ranks up there with the best basketball memories ever.
I don’t agree with Boourns list, at least not completely.
The only high value trade pieces we have are:
#7
Tay
Jerebko
The potentially valuable trade pieces, depending on the trade partner’s needs are:
Stuckey
Day
Expiring Wilcox
Max, probably as filler
I don’t count Rip, because he’s way overpaid for his age, and we’ll probably end up dumping him for little to nothing (prove me wrong Jod, please please please).
Oh sorry..
I didn’t mean to state that they were all high value…I was more or less putting them in order of valuable to less valuable rather than stating that they were all incredibly valuable. I think my point was that outside of Gordon and CV who wouldn’t be traded simply because no one would take their contracts right now, anyone on the pistons team is tradeable for the right big.
Whereas bonecrusher felt we didn’t have any trade chips at all, our entire team is actually filled with trade chips of varying value.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot about Tayshaun.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 22, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't having an obscene amount of trade bait a bad thing?
The fastest way to get back in the lottery is to spend so much time “re-tooling” that you never actually build a team. All this houston talk about Trade pieces is kind of sad, reminds of the pony tail guy on the simpsons talking about his prized collectibles, but really no one wants them. Good luck convincing anyone that Aaron brooks is a real point guard, or that any trade without one of your future first rounders is worth pursuing, or that the Summer of Melo will land you a solid free agent. You also can’t really brag to Pistons fans about Chase Budinger since, technically, he is our sloppy seconds.
Thanks a lot Draft Express.
And the producers of that favorable Demarcus Cousins video. Now everybody is on the dilznits when 24 hours ago we were tiptoeing out of the bank vault with the heist of the century. This is crap, I was done reading about all of this draft stuff too, now I’m going to on the edge of my seat until Thursday (when I’m hopefully not disappointed)
maybe the news will leak out of how controversial he is now
they gotta do something to keep the 24 hr news cycle going.
...Thats Right...
Oh yeah, didn’t he do some thing controversial lately, I wanted to look into it but its probably nsfw
That is unspeakable
I don’t want to get into the specifics of what happened, but just imagine if that were took place in a city like houston? or San Francisco??? I guarantee a huge number of season ticket holders would demand refunds, that’s for sure.
Right you are.
It’s time to face facts: DeMarcus Cousins is far too CONTROVERSIAL for a top-six pick.
He needs to build some character
There is something about sitting in green room for at least 6 picks that can straighten a future pro out. You want to draft him ahead of that you may as well have been the one to put the flame thrower in his hands and dropped him off at the petting zoo.
by tads on Jun 21, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From our frienemy twitter.
chadfordinsider
Another strong workout for Cousins in NJ today vs. Favors. He shot the lights out again. From what I gather it’s now a toss-up in NJ @ 3
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
Garrett, you know that Good Times clip belongs to me. Like Dr. Rob G and his “night of magic” declaration.
I was reminded of its awesomeness when you posted it recently. Sorry for stealing but it just seemed to capture my feelings so eloquently.
by garrettelliott on Jun 21, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
One more infraction and I will trade you for Carlos Delfino.
by -PS- on Jun 21, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh God I miss that show so much.
Remember when Martin Lawrence didn’t star in nothing but buddy cop movies?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 21, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
90's sitcoms were the best.
Seriously.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 21, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I preferred to Home Improvement
only because there were a lot Barry Sanders and 90s Lions references and appearances.
But Martin was a great show too.
90s Lions >>> 90s Pistons
there were a few bad boy references too
I recall that in one episode, Tim recorded a playoff game and made sure that no one told him the score only for his wife’s friend to spoil the ending
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Allen also wore sweatshirts from every college in the state of Michigan during the show’s run.
Plus, he does a great job on the voiceovers for the “Pure Michigan” tourism campaign.
Plus one of the episodes was filmed at Western Michigan
Which is funny considering they kicked him out for selling drugs.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
DeMarcus is coming to Sacto!
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2010/6/21/1528696/draft-express-needs-to-get-there#comments
Set a record by getting banned for the 8th time!
After rehab I saw the light and promise to be kinder and gentler!
Probation is a very slippery slope!
If I was Cousins, I’d kind of want to play with Tyreke….. I’m just saying.
by garrettelliott on Jun 21, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor man's Stuckey
You’ll see. YOU’LL ALL SEE!!!! Mwoo hahahahaha!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I'm excited to see Stuck play this year
Two years under the same coach, he’s lost a ton of weight and continues to work hard on his shot.
The numbers didn’t reflect it, but you could visibly tell that his jumper improved a lot last year compared to his rookie year. He actually shot 44% and 32% from 3 in February and March – not coincidentally about the same time he started taking set shots
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
DAMMIT
Does anyone actually have a useable scenario for trading up? I don’t like thinking for myself : (
by Joshua Michael DeFour on Jun 21, 2010 8:08 PM EDT reply actions
It wont matter: Joe is getting Aminu!
Pistons will pick Al Farque Annymoo
Better run Joe, MFMP is the American Ninja and you are sushi?
/drunk’d
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.
Artistic Interpretation of the battle.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 21, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Did you create this TJ Hooker
if so, soul clap for you sir, you are a nice drawer and nice dbbrother
"For fam like the Partridges, pardon him for the mix up
battle for your Atari cartridges or put your kicks up, it’s a stick up"
Don't you guys already have enough undersized PFs?
(Jerebko, Daye, Summers, etc.)
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 21, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus dude,
I’m not trolling. Just making a point. You guys do have quite a few undersized PFs. Then again most GMs draft talent over need.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 22, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Two of those three players aren't PFs.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Well then they are oversized SFs.
:) I’m guessing they would be Jonas and Daye? They are 6’9 and 6’11. Both can’t really handle the ball much from what I’ve seen. But if they fit at SF, then great.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 22, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Jerebko's not a ball handler.
But, Daye looks like a point guard running the pick and roll and fast break. Amazing handles for a 6’11" guy.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Jonas used to play point
Back before he played proball in europe, he said so after playing point in that game where WB was already out and Stuck just looked destroyed physically.
I think they can both handle the ball well enough for SF, especially since Jonas looks like he may be spending the majority of his team at PF. As for Summers, well apparently he’s spent the whole offseason playing with his balls so who knows?
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
bone31crusher
i didn’t think you were trolling, and I agree re: too many undersized PFs and tweeners. you’re welcome here, it’s just a very nervous moment for us Pistons fans :)
Uh, me, new?
seconded
I don’t see bone31crusher as trolling either.
I, for one, am glad to have someone from another team commenting here on all our crazy roomers and calling us out when we’re doing nothing more than dreaming.
Every team’s fans overvalues its own players. We’re not exempt. Calling us out on that does not equal trolling.
Haha, I laughed at roomers. But you’re totally right on over-valuing our own guys. I remember last season I was like, “C’mon! We’re unstoppable off the bench with Herrmann! This is our best bench since……EVER!” Um, yeah.
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Well to be fair,
Hermann had at least shown flashes of impressive production in his career and he was certainly more exciting than Mo Evans or that other guy we had whose name is evading me right now…JARVIS HAYES. Fuck both of those guys.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Roomer > Rumor
I thought it was intentional, never you mind, I am implementing roomer forthwith
"For fam like the Partridges, pardon him for the mix up
battle for your Atari cartridges or put your kicks up, it’s a stick up"
bone crusher i'm going to get right to the point.
and crush your brain.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
bone31crusher
JJ’s out of position at the 4, Summers is a 3, and Daye is a 2/3.
The Aminu thing is an inside joke.
It's funny how things go full circle.
After all the BS, rumors and trade scenarios we know exactly what we did on the night of the Lottery: The Detroit Pistons will have to trade up to get Cousins.
Fun.
2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks! Cue "Chelsea Dagger."
If we can't get TonDMC
I’m for trading out of the first round. Drafting a glut of bigs later seems better than wasting our pick on someone like Aldrich, Udoh, et al.
I’m glad someone mentioned above that daye is a better ball handler than one would anticipate (better passer too). I hope he gets good and starts at 2-guard in the future.
do the nets really think they can start cousins at PF next to lopez? that would be an awfully slow combo (a taller version of the jefferson-kevin love duo) and I don’t know how they would defend the pick and roll.
remember when jerry krause traded elton brand for a second top-5 pick and took chandler and curry? that failed, but I think somebody should do that this year and take cousins and favors. I would love for it to be the pistons, but they most likely wouldn’t have enough assets anyway.
New Jersey won’t take Cousins for the same reason we won’t take Aminu..i think.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
New Jersey
Now there are rumors that New Jersey in considering taking Johnson with the 3rd pick because they’re not sold on Favors, they already have Lopez, and they think they can get an impact PF through free agency.
If New Jersey takes Johnson, Minny will be really pushing to trade the No. 4.
Hopefully Mutant Russian Mark Cuban is caught up on American standards.
Because it wouldn’t be moral to kidnap Jerebko and make him live in new jersey.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
don't see that happening
They need to leave that SF spot open for LeBron.
They could take Turner or Favors and still be fine, but if they want Bron Bron they have to leave that spot open for at least 40 minutes a game.
If they strike out in free agency, they always could slide CDR over to the 3 (which I believe they did a few times last year anyways) and then go after either Grainger via trade or draft one next year. Athletic SF seem to a the next big thing and will be a dime a dozen. Lately every draft has several of them, it’s just that only either the truly skilled or freakishly athletic actually get taken.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
unrelated, but I saw CDR walking down the street in NYC. He walked into a designer women’s clothing store…
Hoopsworld
Hoopsworld and others are saying they are considering Johnson. I’m not sure I believe it.
It is at least plausible that they have decided they have no shot at Lebron, but have a great shot at Bosh (unlikely), Amare, or Boozer. In that case, it would make sense to take Johnson who I understand has been killing it in every workout.
For what is worth, Ford is saying the same thing.
chadfordinsider
Just spoke with 2 sources & looks like Turner is lock at 2, & Wes Johnson now has lead at 3 in NJ. Just updated mock: http://es.pn/dqkTEf
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
Great. Fucking. News.
Minnesota hates Favors and Cousins hates Minnesota. If we trade up and they’re both available, who would Dumars take? I hope Cousins.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yipee!
So what’s Minnesota gonna do? Take Aminu?
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No...
They’ll trade their pick with us, let us take Aminu on their behalf and its win win win!
So in a way…all those effers saying we’d take Aminu have been right all along!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
excellent problem to have
now we just need to sell them that Daye has put on 50 pounds and looks like Bill Pearl in his prime
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He's put on five pounds of muscle
Sheeeeeiiiit, that’s good enough to handle Shaq in ’97.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if we don't move up
If Minny takes a wing, then that leaves Favors, Monroe and Cousins for Sac and Golden State. We would get one of the three.
IME, Aminu and Monroe are at about the same level of meh. Either one could surprise and become really good (If I had to choose, I would give the edge to Aminu if he can fully transition to SF), but the odds are they’re going to be decent— Brad Miller 2k10, Luc Mbah a Moute The Redux!! — and not much more.
I agree again
But for the Pistons, Monroe > Aminu
no question there
Aminu has no position; we have enough guys that don’t know where they fit in already.
Monroe might be soft but he’s tall, a good defensive rebounder (horrible offensive) and will boost our offense
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
We could really use Brad Miller,
and that’s the sad, sad truth.
lol, I just can’t bear to imagine a CV/Monroe PF/C combo trying to defend NBA caliber frontcourts… That’ why I’ve been trying (unsuccessfully) to wage a campaign against Monroe.
*sigh… *
I don't think any of us actually want Monroe
But he’s the best talent we’re looking at if we can’t get Cousins. You always take the best talent and then shape your roster when you are in rebuilding stages. It’s not like we can be too choosy right now
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That could be
I know most GMs and scouts seem to think Monroe will be much more effective in the NBA than he was in college. I don’t know if that’s true.
It does seem clear that Jod is not going to take Aldrich over Monroe (or even Udoh) for that matter. I’d just rather have Monroe than Udoh because he seems to have a much higher ceiling.
In all fairness with Jennings
He was in a completely different environment where he would be at best a 2nd or 3rd offensive option, I think his case is different than Tyreke
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t comparing them. I was saying they were both players who are better as pros than they were in college.
Heck, look at Jennings’ numbers from overseas last year.
what do you mean
He had 100% true shooting percentage.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
techincally, no
0 divided by 0 does not equal infinity
it is considered indeterminate form
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
they were so good
numbers could not describe them
I think that’s the best way of approaching it
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
On the bright side
he didn’t have a single turnover or technical foul.
It's too bad
centers don’t average better defense in the L than in college.
correction
point guards typically average more assists when they play a game that’s 8 minutes longer than college.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
that has a lot to do with teammates and playing style
It’s much easier to rack up assists constantly running the pick and roll with say LeBron or Boozer than it is playing a princeton offense with a bunch of scrubs at Yale
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the Pistons want Monroe either.
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Me neither.
I got the sense that the interest for Aminu was real, but right now I think probably Udoh is the front runner.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
I definately see your point
I think you’d have to make sure those two were never on the court at the same time. Never. Ever.
We'd get Monroe
I haven’t watched a ton of Favors but isn’t he a defensive PF that’s crazy athletic? Get you about 15 points a game kind of guy, but he’s not your ultimate scorer. Cousins and Evans would be absolutely deadly. That means GS gets Favors and we get Monroe, which I could live with if we get Varnado or Art.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Would minnesota have the audacity to take Monroe?
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
They might
But probably only as trade bait. They really, really want a wing. That’s why trading down makes the most sense for them. They can get something for the trade and still get the best wing that would be available No. 4 at No. 7.
you know what would be perfect?
If they stupidly keep the pick and draft Aminu.
Then Sacktown can take Monroe and we are guaranteed either Favors or Cousins without having trade anything
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
But that would take Minny drafting poorly.
Wait, we might actually have a shot.
best of all
Mike wouldn’t have to go jail for killing Joe
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn't quite right
I think the Wolves will be very happy if Favors is there. That’s the guy they want if they can’t get Turner; a lot of the Johnson love was smokescreen. I think they like Wes, but not enough to go crazy.
We Are the Washington Generals
by Eric in Madison on Jun 22, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
while defeating his reflection at a staring contest
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
all this makes me wonder whether Jonas ever reads DBB...
and if so, what he thinks.
Can we put this up there as one of the first questions to ask Jonas should any of the DBB brass get a chance to meet him on media days or things like that?
Oh and speaking of Media day, anyone else wondering what Rip is gonna do for his media day photo last year? I loved the beard, but I’d like to see something a little different this year…maybe some general burnside sideburns?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Jonas reads DBB and just laughs off all shenanigans. I’m sure he can feel the love.
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet he can feel every inch of my love.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
MFMP will love this
Dan Feldman was just on The Basketball Jones live USTREAM draft selecting for the Pistons and he drafted Aminu because he thinks that’s what Dumars will do.
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Villa's workout regimen
Have you guys read the new Langlois puff piece about how hard Villa is working out this summer? It is truly embarrassing.
Keith falls over himself praising Villa for working out THREE DAYS A WEEK, with one hour of weights and one hour of conditioning at a time. Three days a week?? He’s a professional athlete with a ridiculous contract and it is the summer when he has literally nothing else to do. I just recently reread an old SI piece about the nineteen-year-old Kobe, who at that time lived with his parents. He worked out five hours every day! That’s what professional athletes ought to do. I work out three days a week and I have a full-time job. Millions of people do it. What the hell else is Villa doing all the time?
It’s no f-ing wonder that Villa looks like the Pillsbury Dough Boy. The article also makes it sound like he had never realized before this summer that it is possible to work out in the summer. I hate this nonsense. These guys have no idea what it takes.
Last week Langlois wrote a similar piece about Daye in which he gushed that Daye has “packed on five pounds of muscle” since the season ended. Uh, you’re seriously going to refer to adding five pounds as “packing on” muscle? PACKING ON? It would take a very average person with no physical trainer literally two weeks to add five pounds of muscle, and that wouldn’t even require that he lift every day. My mother could do it. Your mother could do it. Who is directing these workouts, and why are we pretending that five pounds is something to be proud of rather than embarrassed about? Daye should be lifting for multiple hours every day.
Gordon has a horrible contract and can’t play defense on anybody but at least he looks like an athlete. It is astounding how little these guys are trying.
To be fair
It’s Keith. Keith’s essentially a PR guy. Yeah, this is ridiculous, but it’s Keith.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
What does Keith have to do with it?
Keith isn’t preventing Villa from actually working hard every day on basketball-related training and activities. Keith is just the silly messenger.
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, Kobe worked out 5 hours a day at age 19 when he lived with his parents!
He was just a kid! Villa is a grown man! This is the old Kobe piece, for proof:
http://cnnsi.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Is+Kobe+Bryant+the+second+coming+of+Magic+or+Michael%3F+The+-04.27.98-+SI+Vault&expire=&urlID=413057182&fb=Y&url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1012689/index.htm&partnerID=289881
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Before you get your panties in a bunch.
Just think of Keith’s articles as extended twitter messages. He gives us a lot of nice updates throughout the year and adds some filler to it under Pistons.com orders.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides I do not see what my panty status has to do with Villa's weak-ass workout regimen
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
has everything
we need to make sure his chunky ass will fit
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what you have in mind, but please count me out
No offense you understand!
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not
complaining about Keith at all. He’s complaining about Charlie V.
by Taiwanese Tora on Jun 22, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think complaining about either is silly
Langlois because he is the Pistons writer. Can you really complain when the team’s writer sells the team’s product?
And CV simply because Kander is in charge of his regime. If Kander felt he should push further he probably would. If CV complained about it, it would probably not sit well with the team.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
Ah, I missed that
V-Nuv’s regimen might change during the summer. It’s not great, but I think he’ll pick it up.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems like the only time you come around is to bitch about Langlois.
Straight from the article dip:
It’s not that Villanueva hasn’t put in time during previous summers, usually working with a Los Angeles-based trainer, Robbie Davis. But Kander, he says, has a significantly different approach to training, one that seems to be working for Villanueva.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right, it's either to bitch about Langlois or Dumars
They’re the only people who can make me angry enough to start typing. Most of the time I’m just depressed about the Pistons, and depression makes me inactive. Anger is an active emotion requiring some sort of outlet. Happiness used to make me post too, but I don’t feel happiness about the Pistons anymore. And my point this time doesn’t depend at all on Keith
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
Bill knows it’s Keith’s job to be a spin doctor. But he isn’t happy with the results that Charlie V and Austin Daye are having.
by Taiwanese Tora on Jun 22, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, we've seen that Daye has packed on five pounds
I’ve heard enough. Please renew my season tickets.
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
well. not results
but the means to the end I suppose.
by Taiwanese Tora on Jun 22, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I read that too, Bill. I wasn’t sure if it meant that Charlie V was working out 3 days per week total or 3 days per week specifically with Arnie.
If it’s the former, then I think you have a very valid point. But I think the article was ambiguous enough that it could be the latter, in which case, Charlie V could be doing a lot more in terms of physical conditioning.
That's possible...
…but the article says he’s working out with Kander three days a week and hopes to build to four then five. That makes me think he’s probably doing nothing on those days right now.
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Minor correction
He started at 3, now he is at 4 and later on will take him to 5.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
Oh, yes, you are right
It still should be 7. Millions of people who are not professional athletes, with jobs, mortgages, etc., find time to run every day. I try to go 4-5 times a week, and I’m incredibly, almost terminally unathletic. It is really easy even if you don’t have a trainer.
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Get it right moron
1) CV is coming off back injuries and plantar fascitis so working out for 5 hours a day 7 days a week is just fucking stupid to consider let alone bitch about him not doing
2) You keep comparing CV to a 19 year old Kobe with only 1 NBA season under his belt where he averaged 15 minutes a game. Newsflash: Kobe was roughly 50 lbs lighter, 5 inches shorter, and 6 years younger than CV is now. When you play close to 82 games in a season, your body does actually need rest. Pushing to 7 days a week for the majority of the off-season may end up destroying CV’s body rather than improving it.
3) Where does it mention his basketball specific workouts? I know Arnie is doing things on the court, but in order to maintain his shooting ability/improve it, he’s going to be taking 400-500 shots from inside, 400-500 shots from mid-range, and 400-500 shots from the permieter at minimum. That alone adds 2-3 hours of training in addition to his workout and conditioning schedule from Arnie
4) Last I checked, Arnie is a trainer/strength & conditioning coach and you are not. Therefore, if Arnie provides a strength and conditioning regimen that involves CV going at 3 days a week right now, I’m going to trust that Arnie knows what the fuck he’s doing.
Keith blowing smoke up our bums talking about it as if CV will be the second coming of Ahhhnuld is one thing, but bitching about CV’s training schedule like that is just stupid. When CV shows up this fall, we’ll see what the workouts did for him. And if he comes back as Chiseled Charlie while working out 3 days a week, he’ll be in better shape to play another 82 games next season than he’d be if he spent his entire summer working out 7 days a week / 5 hours a day.
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by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
you sir
deserve a cookie. i rec’d you instead though.
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Jun 22, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You didn't have to use that tone of voice, but the returning-from-injury thing is legit
It has, however, been months and months. He’s fine. He’s not injured. The continuing problem is that anyone who looks at Villa clearly sees that has never trained his body in any kind of serious way. And it’s not like he’s got a slight frame that wouldn’t show muscle. He just has very obviously never taken seriously his job to keep his body in top form. If he had been ripped and got injured and then got fat and was trying to de-fat himself it’d be totally different. Plus, his historical lack of conditioning may have contributed to his injuries in the first place! People who don’t exercise regularly tend to get injured more often when they do exert themselves.
We are seeing a guy with a lifetime of not training now “getting it” by training in a way which millions of ordinary people with way less free time are able to do each week. You don’t find it at all frustrating that much of the Pistons’ future depends on a guy who clearly hasn’t been working as hard as he can to earn his money? I’m asking seriously, fan to fan. I’m not trying to win an argument.
I recognize also that I could have toned down my own snarkiness in my first post. I care about this team and they’ve been driving me absolutely crazy for three years. I get emotional.
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
SO you're complaining because the guy has got it and its working on it this offseason?
Going back to the article, he says he needed to change, he said he believes the work he puts this off-season will alter his probabilities of injuries.
If the season starts and he is the same lazy fuck, complain away. But right now you are complaining because after his first season in Detroit he realized he needed to change.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
I agree
Look Bill you can’t expect instant turnarounds. Change is always very gradual and I guarantee you that if CV started lifting 5 days a week for 4 hours he would start tearing ligaments all over the place.
I’ve been lifting for about 3 years now and I can tell you that you do not want to heavily strain the same muscles every day. Preferably you want 1 to 2 days of rest on a hardcore schedule. Otherwise waiting 3 to 4 would be best to allow ample recovery time.
Give the guy some credit; we complained and he actually listened. How many other pro athletes actually do anything about what fans tell them? Sure he should have never been in that shape in the first place, but fact of the matter is that he is working hard at it now and so we move on.
Keith also mentioned that CV looks to increase it to 5 workouts per week very soon, so it’s not like Chuckles is stuck in 2nd gear. Besides, do you have any clue how hard Kander’s workouts could be? I doubt it. If you don’t mind me asking, are you younger or older than 18 and do you consider yourself an athlete? If you do see yourself an athlete, then take into mind that the best athletes in the world pay money to work with Arnie.
Lastly guys give Keith a bit of a break. He’s doing his job as spin master and he’s very nice behind the scenes.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
think about
Seeing how you are the same age, try doing a basic workout every other day.
evens: 15 minutes jogging, 30 minutes of basketball and 100 situps
odds: 30 pulls ups, 50 push ups, 50 balance squats and 100 calf raises
Just see how your body reacts initially. My bet is not very well, and that your limbs will be full of lactic acid (as a by part of fermintation due to a lack of oxygen in your lungs such that you can no longer do oxydative phosphorylation). Same holds true with CV, but on a much higher scale. Give him a month to get going and then he can really push it.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I mean, I understand that when you start from a base of nothing you have to build up
What infuriates me is that a professional basketball player making a huge amount of money seems to be starting from nothing, or close to it. How is this possible? How could we ever have signed such a player?
I hope that you and Kriz are right and he’s doing everything and really will keep pushing and changing etc. etc. But I feel like things probably will wind up exactly as Gabe says—nothing will change. It’s just more smoke and mirrors meant to calm the fans right now.
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
To answer your quote Kriz
Apparently the T’wolves or Bucks (can’t remember which) brought him in to talk earlier this week.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I hate to break it to you
But it happens all the time. Plenty of athletes get by on talent alone in college and don’t even touch weights until they fall on their face in the pros.
That’s why I’m content with his progress. The hardest part is always showing up; going to the gym takes a lot of out your personal free time and I give him credit for that. He realized he had a problem and is taking care of it.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The hardest part, I'd say, is *continuing* to show up
It’s easy to go to the gym on January 1. The place is full then. By February 1, the gym is once again virtually desolate, with the same handful of regulars.
Let’s see if Villa is there on February 1.
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor Austin Daye needs a lot more than 5 pounds
Try thirty or forty. He should be lifting constantly! We need to get Bearded Thundar over to his house to kick his ass.
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
he's got the frame
you just have to give him time.
You can’t rush muscle growth, otherwise you’ll be way out of wack in terms of coordination and posture. Not to mention spinal alignment can be harmed (many people don’t realize just how important it is to see a chiropractor even if you aren’t an athlete).
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
BT, shouldn't he look bigger now than he did when he entered the league?
Maybe I’m just forgetting, but he looks absolutely the same. You’d think that a guy getting so few minutes in games would have time and bandwidth to train his muscles over the course of a year.
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
not necessarily
He does have more definition already, you could see a visible change from draft day to the last game of the season.
But as for size it depends more on genetics and type of workout than just lifting alone. For instance, this past summer when I wanted to gain size, I was curling 50 lbs an arm doing 6 reps per set. However now I want to get cut (as I’ve already got the strength) and started doing a lot more rotational work using 35 lbs and 12 reps per set.
I have lost a bit of size on my arms, but I’ve also become much more flexible and mobile. Same goes for the rest of my body (I a 6 day per week circuit program).
Truth to be told, those first 20 pounds are easy to add. Daye should be able to put on up to 15 pounds this off season as he’s got about nothing right now. And he should also look a bit more fuller, but once again genetics plays into things. Tay will never be ripped no matter how hard he works out. He’s no longer a toothpick, but he will never look like LeBron
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks man, that's interesting reading
It’s great to have expert knowledge here.
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't I just say that?
showing up is always the hardest part.
I don’t expect him to continue working out hard during the regular season. Hardly any players seriously hit the weights during the playing season; that’s just another injury risk.
But I would expect him to condition lightly to not lose any muscle and continue working with Big Ben (who in truth is about the only athlete I can think of that hits the weights hard 365 days a year)
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I'm saying I don't believe he has "got it"
I believe if he had really “got it” he’d be doing more now. It would be truly marvelous if he had really “got it,” because Villa is skilled offensively and seems like a good-natured person, and it would be fantastic for the team if he became quicker and could jump higher and not get tired late in games.
Charlie got paid what, $5 or $6M last season? God, why would you need a wakeup call in order to start taking exercise seriously? You should know that you need to work your ass off to earn that huge contract in your first season in Detroit. I bought tickets to games last year. I worked hard for the money I paid for the tickets. Villa didn’t work as hard for his.
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And I'm telling you since his workout is being done and monitored by an highly regarded expert.
Then he probably is doing what he is supposed to be doing.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
there is no better in all of the NBA
Other teams pay to use Kander’s warmups and stretching routines; he is simple the best.
Also Charlie’s lack of consistency stems a lot from his weak core. If you don’t have a strong core, then you won’t be able to consistently take position in the post, hit jumpshots or fight for rebounds. Once his training is done he will be a lot better in every facet.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
with all due respect Bill
I think MFTB hit your quibble out of the park. For all we know, CV worked out less than an ordinary person beforehand. We should feel good that he’s in Arnie’s hands because in Arnie’s hands we should all trust.
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in Arnie’s hands we should all trust.
No bullshit, that’s exactly what I used to say RE: Joe Dumars…
At this point, I’m 99% convinced that players are who they are. The CV “getting it” meme is a nice piece of summer fluff, but in all likelihood it’s not anything to get excited about.
I’m still clinging for dear life to that saying RE: Dumars…. dear, dear life!
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That's fine, but I reserve the right to be pissed that the Dough Boy stole some of my money last year
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
If 3 workouts a week is a big upgrade for him, something is terribly wrong
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
We can't call injuries acts of God when our guys are not keeping their bodies conditioned
At least to a degree, the Pistons earned those injuries last year because they didn’t take care of themselves. And all the “the injuries couldn’t be helped, it was just bad luck piling up” arguments become a lot weaker.
Can you tell I’m not trying to advance a coherent point? I’m just frustrated when I see these guys not trying and not caring. I’m sorry to pile on you guys.
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually...there is some creedence to the ankle injuries
The hyperize shoes that the team was wearing and that Arnie ultimately banned have been discussed as potentially too weak to properly support the ankle effectively at that level of play…
As for Rodney’s heart/passing out episode its still chalked up as a fluke for the time being…
Tay’s back problem given his body type and the # of consecutive games played combined with being an olympian, etc. was just waiting to happen.
CV’s injuries seem likely to be a factor of his conditioning but as we’ve stated…if he wasn’t doing any off-season work outs before, 3 days a week should be a huge change.
Hell, I started running 3 days a week while only minimally changing my diet and I dropped 15 lbs in just under a month and a half…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Same here — I just started working out with weights about 3 times a week, changed my diet completely, and don’t even do that much cardio yet but I’ve almost dropped 20 pounds in a month. I think this is an awesome step for CV, and he’s working with the best of the best so I’m not too concerned as long as he’s following his program.
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
first gains come easy
That’s why I think that it’s reasonable for Daye to add 15 pounds this offseason.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, my guy keeps saying he’s going to have my kick my ass this month because all the easy weight is gone. Now it’s about toning up and building more muscle, I guess. Weight sucks. :D
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
When I started running I dropped 10 pounds like it was nothing.
I was a slob, not heavy but not fit. It took me a while to be able to put up continuous runs but after a little while i was able to easily run 4 miles, and then up to 5.
I want to do a 10k with a decent time, it takes me about 70 minutes to run 5 miles, what do i need to push from that?
(I’m obviously taking advantage of the conversation to get some gratuitous advice)
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
to be honest
I hate running; it hurts my knees.
I prefer the cadio program that comes with p90x, it still gets the heart rate up without causing any problems
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’d way rather do an elliptical or bike. And if I could swim, I’d probably do that for my cardio. Running kills my knees and joints too.
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
*mutters*
Thanks for nothing.
I have become a small fan of running, I’m still a piece of shit, but I enjoy how my body feels during and after.
About the program, you said to contact you if i had questions, but how?
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
here’s one of them
mexicanbeer@gmail.com
what did you have in mind?
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Right now?
A pizza.
in regards to P90X, I was thinking of acquiring it. I have seen some of the routines and I think that’s the kind of thing I would get up for. Plus, so far various sources have indicated that it work. However I’m not sure if I’m in good enough shape for the challenge.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
you'll be fine
if you can run 5 miles, I think you’ll be fine.
They make the program seem tougher than it is on tv.
Be sure to have a nice collection of weights though. The girls tend to stay below 20 pounds, so I would recommend a set of 5s, 8s, 10s, 12s, 15s and 20s. If you can’t afford them individually, you can do what I did and get adjustable dumbells
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Arnie has his own routines
They’re probably far better than p90x.
P90x is very good for people who like to work at home and just want to get in good shape. But it isn’t useful for people who want to work on muscle firing and athleticism nor is it very good for adding mass due to all the cardio.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I never got why SB nation designed it this way
after so many replies it gets hard to follow the conversation
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard he can do more cock push-ups than anyone.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Someone should make a twitter account for Jerebko’s cock.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Sleeping on a bed of nails
is actually not as painful as you’d think because as long as the bed has enough nails your body’s weight is displaced over all of them.
In truth, Jerebko doesn’t sleep on a bed of nails, he sleeps on a single nail that he has to replace every night as he is so tough that the nail cannot break through his skin so ultimately his weight bends the nail over by the time he wakes up in the morning…and thats how he knows its time to wake up.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
perhaps
but getting on and off the bed would be a bitch
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I can assure you that getting off on Jerebko's bed
would be anything but a bitch…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Re: Running
My wife and I are semi-training for a half marathon. This week we’re gonna hit six miles.
I hate running. It’s torture. But I’ve dropped five pounds, and I haven’t changed the diet one bit.
Fair point on the tone
My pent up anger and frustration revolving around us being ultimately disappointed on draft day is getting the better of me and I shouldn’t be taking it out on fellow DBBers so I apologize for that.
I also think its a fair point that you make on people who are out of condition tend to be more injury prone. However, I didn’t lift a lot of weights growing up but instead chose to play sports year round. I played football, basketball, and ran track – was never injured through high school and was definitely in the best shape my body has ever been in (admittedly sad as I’ve grown lazier in my mid to late 20s). Just playing sports year round kept my body in an impressive level of conditioning so I think its fair to say that Charlie has always been in condition, but NEVER anywhere near what his body’s maximum potential is.
I do think though that it is just as big of a deal for someone who never spent time investing in improving his body physically to start and stay with it for as long as CV has. If he can stick with it through the entire off-season, and the results are noticeable, I’ll be a full supporter of the New Villa (SEE WHAT I DID THERE?!?!?!?! NEW VILLA…VILLA…NUEVA!!!)
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
that's another thing to look at
I have badly rolled my ankle many times but have never actually strained my hamstring. Why? Because I’ve already greatly strengthen the tendons holding the muscles in place. Just think of Big Ben and Stuckey, they rolled their ankles several times but were able to still play through it because of how much strength training they’ve done. Sure it still hurts a lot to put pressure on the leg, but you can certainly still play
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It's beautiful outside, guys
At least in Boston it is. In the spirit of this thread I’m going running. I hope that somewhere out there, beyond the horizon, a soon-to-be-former Dough Boy is doing the same. I’m still really pissed that he was so lazy and slothful that many Detroit fans were genuinely delighted to learn he was working out three days a week for two hours. Ridiculous. I think sometimes as fans we’re too easy to forgive things that are egregious and terrible, almost to the point of being immoral—such as showing up unbelievably out of shape when your whole job in the summer is to take care of your body and you’re getting paid like a franchise cornerstone, and when that money comes from fans who make a fraction of what you make and who work really hard for it. That’s stealing. But whatever, that’s what it means to be a Pistons fan in 2010. I’ll always have the championship DVD from ’04. Have a good day, guys.
by Bill Higgins on Jun 22, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So we've went from $11 million being franchise cornerstone money.
To $7 million.
In a couple years, anyone making the league minimum will be making franchise cornerstone money.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
can I be a cornerstone?
I can brick 3s and not rebound all day long for the veterans minimum?
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
quick
someone send him the controversy post
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How can he be high on Cousins
When he has Zoubek to gloat about.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
GS
If Cousins is off the board Golden State will be choosing between Greg Monroe and Ekpe Udoh. Only other two guys in their mix besides top-5.
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If they take Udoh
that leaves us with MFMP’s boy Aminu me thinks.
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Actually, I think it leaves Monroe.
1. Wall
2. Turner
3. Favors
4. Johnson
5. Cousins
6. Udoh
Assuming that New Jersey or Minnesota doesn’t shock us.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If New Jersey takes Johnson
Everything will hinge on Minny.
If NJ takes Johnson then
that puts us in a nice position to offer them Tay in the short term and Aminu in the long-term at SF.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
As I said above
I don’t think the Pistons like Monroe
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Does that mean
you think the Pistons would take Aminu/Udoh/Monroe in that order depending who is available?
I cetainly value your opinion but this angers me.
I don’t know exactly how the Pistons are thinking obviously but I get the sense Davis is in there before Monroe. I also think GS will take Monroe before Udoh, so it’ll be moot.
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why can't we just take Aldrich
he does everything we want at a high level, who cares if his ceiling is low?
Davis showed no real skill or instincts whenever I watched him, I highly doubt he’ll be as good of a player
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
Jod is going to out think himself again.
We need a damn center. It is very tough to get a decent center in a trade. We will not have enough cap space for years to sign a decent center. Therefore, draft a center. Just do it. I don’t care about best player available at No. 7. Get the best center available.
I'm not high on Aldrich (because only Cousins can get me high)
but at this point I’d go for him.
We aren’t gonna get a star or a “franchise cornerstone” in this draft, so we might as well go for the sure thing guy who doesn’t only fill a need position wise but also skills wise.
If we can get a guy who can cover the 5 with solid game then we should go for it.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
I forgot it was you
But, yes. I think that one will stick around for awhile.
correction
you have started two DBB memes in the last 48 hours, which I think is an all-time record.
Franchise Cornerstones and Roomers, the latter being my favorite :)
Uh, me, new?
Thats not true. Roscoe will getcha high
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
too bad they have invented smell-o-vision yet
or else we would all be high
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't rec it, wreck it.
I didn’t photoshop it…bing image search for the win! GOOOOOOO MICROSOFT!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Why has your hope diminished.
We just reached Obama campaign hope with the news NJ might take Wesley.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But by know is evident that Cousins red flags are nowhere close to his talent.
Its one thing the top 3 picks passing on him, but by now it seems nearly damn impossible the top 6 do.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
I dont think he was every going to be there at 7.
But it makes it a lot easier for us to swap picks with minnesota.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Who are they saying is top five then?
Are they on the Johnson to New Jersey band wagon?
I'm really hating GS now
They always get lucky with the draft. So many talented guys just seem to fall into their lap: Curry, Arenas, Randolph, Ellis, Marrow and possibly Cousins?
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If you saw that msg, I jumped the gun
The link discussed MN and Memphis swapping later picks.
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The Memphis Grizzlies and Minnesota Timberwolves are close to swapping first-round draft picks, a source with direct knowledge of the situation tells ESPN.com’s Andy Katz.
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Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
Does this mean Rudy Gay is going to Minnesota?
I don’t know who they would have gave him, but he’s expiring right now, so obviously they’re trying to get him in a place where they need him.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
but if MN trades their 25th and 28th picks for the 16th
would they be more or less willing to trade with Detroit for the 7th?
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Hey, random question: what happens if GS takes Cousins and he doesn’t want to play for them? I know this happened with Vancouver and Steve Francis so they traded him. But can’t the league or the union or something just make the player suck it up and play? A job is a job, right?
If they hold his rights, he can’t play anywhere else. And they’re not obliged to pay him in full if he didn’t show up for camp, etc.
He can't play in the NBA.
He can play in Europe. He won’t but he can.
…right?
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
nope Cousins is free to do that
Kobe did it to get to LA on draft night.
If Cousins really does want to play for Detroit and hates the idea of GS, he can always refuse to sign the contract until a trade is negotiated
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, how much does that suck? A team in need of talent picks an awesome talent, and then the guy holds them hostage because he doesn’t want to play. And then you have no trade leverage. You’d think a guy would be happy to get paid millions of dollars in the NBA, but I guess not.
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if GS is stupid enough to draft a player that doesn’t want to play for them …
If the guy they want doesn’t want to play them, they ought to trade the pick prior to the draft — that’s how they’d maximize value.
Right?
I guess… but it just seems weird that a player can do that. Especially if your team is in dire need of a smashmouth kick ass big man, and Cousins is available. I guess trading the pick (or going with the next best option, assuming the gap in talent isn’t that much) is the way to go.
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on their new intel...
DraftExpress has the Pistons taking Ed Davis:
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2010/
They say Wall, then Turner.
Then NJ takes Johnson (and will go after a PF in free agency)
Minny takes Favors to cover for Love and Jefferson defensively
Kings take Cousins
GS takes Monroe
The only hope I see of moving up, if NJ takes Johnson, is to hope the Kings feel that Dalembert is their center of the future.
The Dalambert trade surprised me. I’m still not sure what to make of it. Was it simply to dump Nocioni/Hawes for a one-year rental of S.D.?
no
according to draftexpress, that trade had been in the works for months. Sacremento wanted him as a player, and likely intends to resign him
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
so drafting cousins makes a logjam for them if they want to keep dalembert right?
then they have landry, thompson, dalembert, cousins?
by don'tworryaboutit on Jun 22, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
not so much a rotation logjam
but they would have a redundancy problem as they are both dominant offensive rebounders. Dalembert’s only advantage would be shotblocking as he can’t score on his.
However if you pair him up with Monroe, you have a very nice offense, defense pairing. Also Monroe’s passing could really help Dalembert score more
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don't see it
NJ would have to be stoned to pass up on either Favors or Cousins to get a SF when they’re number 1 target is LeBron
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they're accepting the truth
They’re not getting Lebron. And even if they somehow did, they could always dangle Johnson as trade bait since they’ll have cap space left over.
Or, this whole thing is misdirection aimed at hosing Minny.
I'm getting my gift basket ready to send to Minnesota.
If Johnson is not available it will greatly decrease their leverage with that pick, and hopefully Dumars will in turn “rip” them off. I’m also putting a hooker in the basket.
I think they're going to trade the pick
And, I think it is between Rockets and Pistons.
More like FUCK ROCKETS!
GET IT?!?!?!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
or in my case it'd be ROCKET FUCKS
Because its generally only 10 seconds before I blast off…
/sad trombone.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
exactly
it’s like a guy said on Jerry Springer: “well maybe I don’t please you, but at least I had my fun”
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, honestly
the 7th pick (Aminu) will net them the best possible wing in this draft not named Johnson or Turner. We can include Prince, and their wing is all sewn up and ready to rock. How can Houston beat that? They don’t have a C to offer,let alone a starter-quality wing.
Uh, me, new?
Well, they DO have a C to offer.
Just don’t see them offering it.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Or a top ten pick this year.
They do have several future picks, though.
I say we stand pat.
Draft Kevin Garnett with the 7th (Monroe), then trade a package around Jerebko for a pick around 12 and get Dwight Howard (Whiteside) and with our second draft pick we get another hidden gem.
Add to that Kevin Durant (Daye) and Wade (Stuckey) and we have a solid starting team going forth. After that we have Sheed off the bench (Villanueva), the second coming (Will Bynum and the cake eater (Stone Hands).
That’s a solid Playoff team.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
by Kriz on Jun 22, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Walter Sharpe was the greatest pick JoD has ever made.
Its just that Sharpe slept through his NBA career.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
funny thing is, he's still on this team
he’s just been napping, and Joe forgot to wake him up.
Uh, me, new?
wat?
he was released last year after we sent him to Denver
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
MFWB / who cares
Wade / who cares
Durant / who cares
Sheed / Chiseled Charlie
Dwight Howard / who cares
70 wins?
Considering we forgot to add Vinnie (Ben Gordon)
I’m gonna say 75.
(gone off the deep end)
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
Some potentially nice news
According to Valenti and Derry, Joe has been on the phones all day trying to move up.
So at the very least he’s trying, but I still don’t understand why we had to have that stupid 3 game win streak. I can honestly say that was the worst winning streak I have ever endured
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
If we wouldn't have won those games
this post wouldn’t be pushing 300 comments, and I would be productive at work today. Therefore, the winning streak is okay.
I really hope Cousins doesn't end up in Golden State
Where talent goes to die. They’d probably bench him in favor of, like, Anthony Tolliver and Ronnie Turiaf. Or maybe Mikki Moore. If that team was properly managed, they could absolutely win 50 games. Someone needs to rescue Biedrins, Randolph, Curry, Maggette, and Morrow from the Warrior’s clutches.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
If the Grizzlies/TWolves trade goes through...
…the Grizzlies would have the 12th and 16th pick.
I would offer them the 7th and 36th for those and see if they’d take it. You could get a safe pick (Aldrich) and a project (Whiteside, Sanders, Orton).
The only thing I want is my Cousins.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
If there's no Cousins, Favors, or Monroe
I like this plan of action.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
12th pick Aldrich
16th pick Bledsoe
2nd round purchase Artimus Maximus
Compared to Cousins as option A, this would maybe be option D. Right after jumping off a cliff and moving to new jersey to be a nets fan.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard they're changing their team name to the New Jersey Mutant Russians
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Wouldn't it just be easier to call them the New Jersey Colossuses.
Or Colossi.
What’s the plural of Colossus?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The Brooklyn Dragos
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
don't waste your time with Bledsoe
He’s not a point guard in any sense of the word beyond height.
The guy is a very good 3 point shooter, but ironically isn’t very good closer to the rim. He can’t drive and is an awful finisher (much worse than Stuckey) considering his athleticism. I would never waste a first round pick on him.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah watching bledsoe was kinda rough at times
he can hit threes but had really poor judgement and didnt really seem like a pg at all.
I don't think John Wall is a good point guard (he's just an athlete)
And he looked like Isiah next to Bledsoe.
Honestly it seems like the true point guard is a dying breed. Sure there are tons of uber athletes that are 6’1" and can shoot, but hardly any of them actually know how to run an offense. It’s truly shocking to comprehend just how many good ones came out of last year’s draft.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I whole-heartedly disagree about Wall
He is great at understanding who should get the ball when, how to control the tempo of a game, and knowing when to take over himself.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't see that at all from him
I saw that he was on the most talented team in the league, and got away with risky passes because of the bigs he had. He’s not a good passer and he also has way too many turnovers. The only thing that impressed me was his ability to score in the clutch and block shots
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
2011 Detroit Pistons Roster
If anyone watched Demarcus Cousins play in college you would know he’s good. We need to trade up either with Timberwolves, 76er’s, King’s. We need to draft the most NBA ready guy and that is Demarcus. Then we need to trade to the hornets and get Darren Collison. Having Darren as are point and Demarcus at are center. We would have a could team to build around with those to.
This is what we should have are team look like if we are rebuilding. its solid!
Starters
Darren Collison (trading to hornets)
Rodney Stuckey
Jonas Jerebko
Elton Brand (from trading up)
Demarcus Cousins (2nd draft pick in the 2010 draft)
Bench
Will Bynum
Ben Gordon
Austin Daye
Charlie Villaneuva
Ben Wallace
Rainbow'd much?
We were able to snag Collison, the #2 pick (Cousins), and Elton Brand by getting rid of the #7, Tay, and Rip!
I’m not sure that would even work in a video game.
is that even possible?
I don’t think the floppy drive is the same slot you’re thinking of
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
For Bill
I was lifting about three times a week, but that’s about it until I got back to Auburn Hills in early June and got back in the gym working out. I had a schedule from Arnie Kander and I lifted weights just to keep in shape – when I was doing nothing, it just didn’t feel right.
That’s directly from Jonas’ pistons commentary piece. 3 days of hard lifting is more than enough if you do it properly. And as I said before, during the playing season players don’t lift to get stronger, they lift to stay in shape.
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t recall Bill arguing that CV should be lifting heavily during the season. I thought his beef was about how little he was working out this offseason.
But obviously, Arnie is right. Heavy lifting happens offseason, not in season.
he did
he wanted CV to lift at least 5 times per week and continue lifting hard through the regular season
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
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