Report: Barring Trade Up, Pistons Will Draft Ed Davis at No. 7
by Packey on Jun 22, 2010 3:47 PM EDT
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PrintThis is according to Draft Express, and DeMarcus Cousins said they need to get their facts straight, but they're usually pretty reputable:
Detroit: Barring a trade or Cousins somehow falling past Warriors (not happening), Ed Davis will be going 7. Al-Farouq "doesn't make sense."
Davis is a frail, undersized big man from the University of North Carolina. Draft Express has him as a best case scenario Al Horford and a worst case more physically gifted Udonis Haslem. They could certainly do worse at the No. 7 spot, but Davis doesn't strike me as the impact player they need. In other words, please, for the love of Cousins, make a trade happen, Dumars.
If you want more on Davis, Bearded Thundar did an awesome job rounding up his scouting report earlier this off-season.
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wondered the same thing the other day :-/
Ed Davis already has an NBA mentor in Ben Wallace. Does this make it more likely that the Pistons pick him at No. 7?
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cole Aldrich will drop like a rock after workouts
Cole Aldrich C Kansas (they had him listed at 6 ’10) NBA work outs he is 6-7 and he was said to be SLOW and during 1 work out he missed 14 str FTs ..Yeah maybe the Pistons get him,in round 2..cuz he fell to mid 20s at best
6'9" and 215 lbs. sounds promising
but does he have the speed to play at the 2?
Uh, me, new?
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
but does he have the wingspan of Tayshaun Prince?
who ironically is also 6’9" 215 lbs, and has been rock solid as a power forward…
Uh, me, new?
it would be cool to draft a center that weighs more than lebron.
by dandresden on Jun 22, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lebrons 270 (aparently)
I dont think theres a 270 lb center in the draft
The beginning of the end of the misery
makes sense
He’s got basically a deformed dead baby in place of a chin
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
More physically gifted Udonis Haslem
sounds optimistic for a worst case scenario.
Garden variety Udonis Haslem is pretty damn good.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not qualified to speak on the physical gifts of Udonis Haslem.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
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No but I hear Lebron's mom is...
HAYO!
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by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm really torn on Davis
Mostly because of the difference one season to the next. It’s so hard to say why there was such variance. It seems like if he reached his upside, he’d be a starter, albeit a PF not a C. But if not, it’s hard to say where that leaves us.
I’d still rather have a Centre.
I'd say the reason for the variance was
losing Ty Lawson, Tyler Hansborough, Danny Green and Wayne Ellington.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Bye Aminu?
Al-Farouq Aminu reportedly canceled his workout in Detroit. He much prefers going to the Clippers. Has a promise from them. Pencil him in.
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I'd say it's safe to say MFMP's running nightmare won't come true
With that Tweet and the “doesn’t make sense” quote in this post, it seems ‘bye Aminu’ is right.
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I'll wait to celebrate
when we make our pick and Aminu is NOT named. If we take Ed Davis, however, I will be even less enthused.
Uh, me, new?
This.
People I would be less excited about than Aminu:
Ed Davis
Ekpe Udoh
Daniel Orton
Mike Payne (prolific poster, a little short to man the 5 in the NBA)
thing is
I will not hesitate to tear out a testicle on a Lebron drive.
Uh, me, new?
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thing is
I will not hesitate to tear out a testicle on a Lebron drive.
Uh, me, new?
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
.
Mike Payne might be off the board by #7, but I like Udoh. I think he’ll have a better career than Aldrich, Davis, Orton. I can’t believe you even lumped Payne in that list, though.
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I like Udoh more than Davis
I prefer Aldrich to Udoh because I think Aldrich will provide more offensively without a big drop in defense. Udoh’s rebound rates are also a little bit too low for somebody expected to provide defense and rebounding with little offense.
agreed
Aldrich does everything quite well and doesn’t have many holes in his game.
So he’s not a freak athlete, so what? McDyess and Sheed did their best work well after their prime. Hell Sheed still gave Dwight fits in the playoffs and he can barely run
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
I realize now that I insulted MP when I was trying to be funny. MP belongs in the tier with Aldrich/Monroe group.
I'm a Udoh fan
I’d personally want him before Ed Davis or Greg Monroe. Good footwork, blocks shots, good jump shot. If we can’t get Cousins or Aldrich, I’d want him.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Aldrich will be no problem
I highly doubt he’s drafted before Indiana, who of late seems to be going for the NBA’s sole all white team
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Could it really be possible Jod would take an undersized, project PF when there will be a host of centers from project to ready-to-produce available?
That is rhetorical. I know the answer.
But, we do have (at least) 3 PFs under contract. At last count, we have exactly zero centers.
Maybe he thinks Art is wayyyyyyy better than anyone realizes
and will be our franchise center for the next 28 years?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
That gets a Rec's Grossman
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Why?
Why has Jod forsaken us?
just EPINION
by real Rob G on Jun 22, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
In my mind, the only two picks I’ll be happy with are Cousins or Aldrich. I don’t want any potential, I want results. Who ever we pick, I hope they prove me wrong!
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
For me...
Cousins, Favors I’d be excited about.
Aldrich and Sanders I’d be happy about.
Patterson, Monroe, Udoh I’d be content
by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds about right
I think Monroe is slightly better than this, but otherwise …
Maybe JoD is in the process of bring Donuts Montezuma over undrafted?
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by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
is it just me
or do all the names we’ve been looking at suck so much that you would rather have Donuts?
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Move to #4
The price isn’t going to be too steep to swap the #4 for the #7 pick. How many teams to you have to outbid to get Cousins? The Pistons need a center and Joe Dumars is supposed to be some kind of uber-respected figure in the NBA who can deal with players with unique personalities. If we take the UNC grad with the solid reputation I never want to hear Dumars chirp about taking players from small schools with a chip on their shoulder again. We need a #5 on the court more than Chippy McShouldergrit or whatever the hell Jod thinks gets it done these days.
If they pick Davis and start with this ‘Ben Wallace can be a mentor’ crap I’m going to puke. We needed a PF last year and there was one on the board who could rebound the crap out of the ball and we passed. So this year we’re going to take ANOTHER project? How about picking some guys who actually do well on the court for once. Ugh.
by joejoejoe on Jun 22, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I saw this somewhere as possible, is it official now?
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so
First reported in a Milwaukee newspaper, now Wojaidontknowhisname from Yahoo is reporting it too.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
it is on SI now too
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Jun 22, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
This may open up the door for Golden State to draft Aminu.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Gradzuric is definitely better than Monroe or Cousins.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely
GS would be stupid to draft them now, it would be totally redundant
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
There goes that clever GM again
Gadzuric is such a stiff, he should paint himself blue and market himself to the elderly.
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.
this guy davis is 6’9 with no shoes and 7’0 wingspan? that wingspan is shorther than kwame brown’s, sounds like a dumb pick to me, and i agree with some members here, we need someone who can play right off the bat for us, whether its starting or from the bench, holy crap, is talent level really that low from college that u cant find anyone decent with 7th pick? maybe those draft kids should play more in college cuz it seems like every year only top 5 players are decent and the rest are ‘nba projects’/d-league material.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I hope this is BS. How did it happen that both Monroe and Cousins will be gone by 7?
With the Milwaukee/Golden State trade...
…do the Warriors have any SFs on their roster?
I see Curry, Ellis, Azabuike (sp?) and Bell. Morrow? Randolph, Biedrins, Wright and Gadzuric in the front court. Are they planning on rolling with Randolph at the 3 and Vlad Rad off the bench?
They're changing the way the game is played
By paying homage to Dustin Hoffman’s character Jack Crabb from Little Big Man with “Little-Big Ball”…removing the SF from the roster all together
That or they’re paying homage to Custer’s last stand at Little Big Horn
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
That was then...this...IS NOW!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That or they're getting ready to trade Monta for Tayshaun
And we’ll be the first team to start a combo guard and 3 shooting guards as our backcourt.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
they have reggie williams i think. he may have expired but they’ll probably resign him
by don'tworryaboutit on Jun 22, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
nah there is plenty of talk over at golden state of mind on needing a starting SF now
And the chatter on Aminu on their board is increasing as well…which really just causes more problems than it solves because then we’d have to decide between Monroe and Aldrich and I know JoD would go with Monroe.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
or Ed Davis still.
barf.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
With No SF...
Golden State has to draft Aminu, they were probably spouting that Cousins nonsense to try and get someone (us) to take one of their contracts. Getting the new big man makes me think that they won’t take Monroe, as they are stacked up front.
Hopefully this Ed Davis chatter is some similar spouting from 6 Championship Drive to entice other teams to let us trade down into Aldrich/Sanders territory, in case we are actually stuck with no big man.
I’m guessing they roll with:
Curry
Ellis
Randolph
Monroe?
Biedrins
by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Too many twists and turns leading up to this draft
Making all the pistons fans squirm =\
Ugh
I would say his ceiling is Udonis Haslem. His basement is a poor man’s Rodney White.
This is just about the worse pick the Pistons could make.
Hey, remember that time Rodney White threw up on the court? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh……
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the horror, the horror, the horror
hmmm… lets see who else is around 6ft9in-215…tayshaun, austin daye, no no no no no no no no say it ain’t so joe!!!!!!!!
Daye's added five pounds of muscle...
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possible trade
Kings: Stuckey and Prince Get pistons 36th pick Get wolves 23rd pick
Wolves: Hamilton and Wilcox get pistons 7th pick
Pistons: Jefferson , Nocioni and Udrih Get kings 33th pick Get wolves 45th
this team is over
need start over and rebuild.jefferson better center than what we gonna get with 7th pick
udrich better pg than stuckey.
dayne can be backup sg
nocioni can be backup sf
Cole Aldrich is a better center than Al Jefferson.
The Pistons can stand pat at #7 and improve their team. Even if “this team is over,” the best way to rebuild is by acquiring cheap, talented rookies—not by trading for crappy, overpaid veterans with below-replacement-level talent.
What about Chiseled Charlie?
He needs a team of inferior players because of how much he will dominant this year
he'll be the first off-the-bench PF
to average 20/10/5/5
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I wish
That I could negative rec that trade proposal. I’m pretty sure a chimpanzee could randomly generate a better trade than that by throwing turds against the wall. I think that trade makes everybody worse. Stuckey and Evans are like the same player except Evans is what we all wish Stuckey would be. Why on Earth would the Wolves want Wilcox? I don’t get it. I have to stop thinking about it, I’m angry that such a dumb proposal would make its way to DBB.
didnt relize that.sorry
what garcia so money matches
Ed Davis needs to get Cole Aldrich's shoes or something.
Ed Davis without shoes: 6’9
Cole Aldrich without shoes: 6’9
Ed Davis with shoes: 6’9.75
Cole Aldrich with shoes: 6’11.25
What?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions
I read somewhere
that Aldrich thinks they messed up his no shoes measurement. I believe it. Or, maybe he had 1980’s style moon boots.
Slightly OT, but Whiteside showed up for the shoes measurement in flip flops. I think this guy might need some time for his brain to development.
man pistons sure love those undersized PF’s…
by bags fly free on Jun 22, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey man
what’s so funny about long, smooth, and being able to stroke it?
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, Ed Davis is none of those.
Which is why it’s quite odd we’re looking at him.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Who were our last true centres, anyways? Nazr Muhommed? Eric Montross? I don’t even remember the “real” centres we’ve had on the roster because it seems like it’s been a long, long time.
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
We've ran PF/PF for a while now.
Remember Uncle Cliffy?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
hell, for all i care we can have a team of shooting guards
as long as 2 of them are willing/able to bang down low.
that's easy
just get 2 gay ones and you’re good to go
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
With the 7th pick, the Detroit Pistons select.
Terrence Lynch of Michigan Tech University.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
We hate centers cause our centers suck
Joe makes the argument that having a dominant center position is kind of outdated, and he is kind of right. I’m having trouble naming ten NBA centers, not power forwards, that are just the third best player on their team.
Here’s what I got so far
Lopez
Nene
Howard
Kaman
Gasol
Gasol
Bargnani
If there are so few good centers, whats the point in drafting them unless they are a sure thing.
Bargnani is a barely a center anyway
He’s more of a stretch 4.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
if that
I would call him a tall SF, that’s where he’s been most effective actually
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
fatter than the bass laid down by Run DMC
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kevin Love?
Andrew Bynum (when he’s not hurt…….which is never)
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
2 words
BOG UT
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.
I was distracted
by the BOG
snickers
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.
Looking at his measurements, Ed Davis is more of an athlete than the usual
long, smooth, and able to stroke it.
He’s not super long with a 7’0 wingspan. Smaller than Monroe (7’2.25), Aldrich (7’4.75), Whiteside (7’7). He also came into the draft combine weighing 227, meaning he’d likely have to put on another 13 to 18 pounds to really play PF.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
Ugh
I really hope we can pull something off drafting Aldrich. I already don’t like this guy. I have a feeling “Al Horford” as his ceiling is pretty high. Because I wouldn’t mind it if Al Horford was a Piston, and this guy just sounds like another experiment that broke free from Don Nelson’s lab he replicated by watching “Weird Science”.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don't know what to feel about Ed Davis.
I like the fact that he looks up to Ben Wallace.
I like the fact that he’s pretty athletic.
Yet I will probably be disappointed if he’s picked.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aldrich
I know I was hating on Aldrich a little bit in the other thread, but I’ll be shocked if Ed Davis has a better career than Cole Aldrich. Also, we don’t need Ed Davis.
I thought about this a little bit and I wonder if we’ve exhausted options for trading up to get Cousins and now we’re threatening to take Davis to entice somebody who may have made a promise to him in the 10-14 range to move up to 7. That’s the only thing that makes sense. If we draft Ed Davis then I will consider the Legend of Joe Dumars dead and count the 2003-2008 stretch as some unbelievably lucky coincidence.
by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I thought about this too, but then again, the guys is one of those quiet get the work done types, he has a higher ceiling than Aldrich, Udoh, and the other ones according to Chad Ford’s Tier system and you know Ben Wallace will work to make him better. I’m not saying its a good choice, but I can see why Joe would try for it. In fact I can’t make myself believe that Joe D will do anything else.
Draft discussion has been pretty dead for me after I came to that realization.
What is Davis good at?
Aldrich can bang, rebound, and play some D. Udoh can block shots. Aminu can drive us all insane. Ed Davis will just be depressing. He’s an athlete with no position? At this point, I think it’s worth the gamble to flip Tay and take a bad contract back to move up and get Cousins. Have you seen his rebound rates? They’re unbelievably good. Everybody thought Tyreke Evans was a head case and that turned out fine. I hate the thought that we’re somehow going to fuck this up and leave bullets in the gun. We have assets, now’s the time to cash them in.
Davis is an imaginary all-star
Davis is like Austin Daye, a real good player theoretically. At some point we need to stop adding theoretical players with good character and start adding real players with good statistics. I’m willing to bet money, however, that Joe D thinks that time is far away, and until that time comes he’s not trading Tay or Rip
not even close
Austin is an extremely skilled player with great height that is terribly weak and unathletic (so weak that probably any jump rope would help his vertical).
Davis is at the opposite end, decent frame for a PF, but very athletic with no skill
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Thing is, I wouldn't mind Tyrus Thomas
Davis doesn’t even strike me as that type. Tyrus Thomas rebounds and blocks shots. What the hell does Ed Davis do?
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing
he just stands around and waits for the ball.
Theoretically, he could be a better version of Thomas as he has a decent jumper and isn’t a headcase. But he just has no clue of what’s going on around him so I highly doubt that happens
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, I'd take Monroe over him, and I'm no fan of Monroe
Monroe at least can do something.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
and that's the key
do something
We aint asking for much, just do something already. For as unathletic people claim Aldrich to be, he does a lot more moving than Davis ever did
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I could even see Monroe/Art as a good future pairing. Ed Davis…. ugh. If we seriously draft him, I might start calling for Joe D’s head.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
that would intrigue me
Monroe and Art should mask each other’s short coming and play off each other very well
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Or this:
Aldrich/Omar Samhan.
Anytime Omar Samhan makes a bucket, we blast “The Farmer in the Dell”, whistling version.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
no chance
One or the other, but not both.
Ben Wallace’s left nipple would be more athletic than those two combined. If you draft Aldrich, you need to draft an athletic project in the second
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm nowhere as near as well learned as you on this draft stuff
I’ve got vague knowledge that I’m throwing against the wall.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Irony
The weird thing about the Davis pick is the Ben Wallace mentoring. Sure Ben could make him lift weights, but why would you go to Ben wallace for help with a) jump shots b) post ups or c) free throws. Davis’s glaring weaknesses
that's very true
it makes no sense.
Once again, I said it in nice bold font several months ago in that write up, just say no, to Ed Davis
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It might be blasphemy, but I actually question what Ben Wallace can teach anyone. He got by on his heart, determination, and freakish athletic gifts. Can he really teach someone to do the things he did? He can make them hit the weight room and stuff, but his innate timing and basketball IQ doesn’t seem teachable. Like when great players try to become coaches and they can’t cut it. Their players aren’t able to do difficult things that the coach thinks should be easy because it was easy for them.
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of what Ben Wallace can do was stuff he learned.
From Charles Oakley.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see people asking Oakley to teach their big men (even though he’s practically begging for a job).
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but how long did it take Laimbeer to get a job?
NBA holds grudges.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno… I think Ben Wallace is just a crazy superfreak who can do things other people can’t. And I think those things are unteachable. Wouldn’t our current big men have improved defensive abilities if this were the case?
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe the mentoring point wasn’t how to play basketball better.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they’re hoping Ben can mentor him in the ways of remote controlled cars?
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
a qualifier
I think blocking shots and getting rebounds are also skills. Some of it is innate — timing especially. But rebounding is a skill that can be improved. If you don’t have heart, determination, athleticism, you probably won’t improve on those things. But the things Ben Wallace did so well took a whole lot of skill as well.
You're preaching to the choir
This is the guy who spent how many years trying to convince us that Amir is the truth. I wouldn’t pick Davis until below 8, but if that is what Joe is going to do there, I can bet you that is his reasoning. Why are we waiting for someone who is built like a high school prospect when we are trying to get back to the playoffs soon is really beyond me.
Austin is an extremely skilled player with great height that is terribly weak and unathletic (so weak that probably any jump rope would help his vertical).
So theoretically, he’s a good player. A very unique skills set coupled with a horribly frail frame. Looks great on paper, not as good on the court.
exactly
once he packs on 20 more pounds, he should be able to average at least 16 ppg and hopefully 8 rebounds. If he can add 30 within 3 years, I think he can be a very good player and a steal for Dumars. Problem is that we’re so bad that he shouldn’t have taken a chance on a project
The guy was a surprisingly good rebounder despite his lankiness. Ben and Jonas really rubbed off on him in terms of effort
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
But your objection was to this comment:
Davis is like Austin Daye, a real good player theoretically. At some point we need to stop adding theoretical players with good character and start adding real players with good statistics.
Theoretically, Daye is a good player with a unique skill set that should be capable of producing. Thus far, that has not bee realized.
perhaps
but for the opposite reasons. The only similarity they two have is that they could both be either pretty good or busts. However I like Daye more at this stage, there’s always room in the NBA for skilled players – no matter how small the role. Pure athletes fall out all the time
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Save us Chad Ford
New speculation per twitter as I procrastinate…
“Tuesday Night Draft Buzz (free): Udoh to GS at 6? Monroe to Pistons at 7; Bucks-Nets talking CDR swap ”http://es.pn/d4TVRG" target="_blank">http://es.pn/d4TVRG"
I'd definitely like Monroe.
He’s no Cousins but I see him becoming a poor man’s Pau Gasol.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
that I can somewhat see
I see none of that KG bullshit
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Who started the KG comparison?
I mean, you couldn’t pick a more opposite comparison.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
BFF
that’s what I said, it’s completely asinine in just about every facet
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get it
but I sure as hell like it
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Ass+9
Asinine.
And yeah, what you said.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ahh
I thought you meant the girl was a 9
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
as-i-9
asinine
and thank you band aid for sharing.
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Well that makes sense then.
Indifference here.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer beer.
[burp]
Uh, me, new?
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see that, MP.
But it’s tearing this family apart!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about the community.
Personally, I don’t really associate with them.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just saying the NSFW thing has been brought up before, because a handful of folks browse the site while at work. And if your boss strolls by to see you looking at a pic of Jessica Alba’s ass, it might not go over so well.
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, a lot of people did complain about it
and while i work from home, i definitely agree with people who want to read DBB At work without getting reprimanded.
Uh, me, new?
It ain't my fault you got a job.
Zuck it ip.
Dizclaimer : I’m uzing the z because the proper letter doesnt work whenever i want it to, it workz whenever it wantz to. Zee, like up there, it magically appear but now it doent.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
Second what MFGE said
I have a proposal about images:
If it’s SFW, use the image button to show it in full here.
If it’s NSFW, qualify in the Subject and link to it without using the image button so it doesn’t show up in full (assuming that’s possible?).
I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade … but I do check DBB at work (especially on days like today when it’s slow), and I don’t want nudity on my computer.
Whoa
where was the nudy pic? All i’ve seen is bikini pics. Must have to upgrade to dbb insider for the nudity. btw, i do almost all my dbb’ing from work, and while a bikini pick may raise some questions from co-workers, so does looking a a basketball blog. Nice work, band aid.
The picture is actually not showing up for me, and someone mentioned Jessica Alba’s ass. I was assuming (get it?).
And as Birdman said, checking a hoops blog and seeing partial nudity are quite different, at least in my office.
Checking DBB at work = geek
Looking at partial nudity = loser
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by Roll The Dyess on Jun 23, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point
I feel myself getting excited to hear the possibility of anyone who isn’t named Ed Davis… sigh.
I'd feel better if this were true
“If Cousins and Udoh are off the board, the Pistons will be choosing between Monroe or Ed Davis. As I first reported this morning, Al-Farouq Aminu fell out of the conversation on Monday after he refused to workout in Detroit. While our Mock Draft has the Pistons drafting Davis, that will change if Monroe is on the board. Sources insist that the Pistons have both Cousins and Monroe ahead of Davis and the other big they like, Ekpe Udoh.”
just f-ing trade up already
If only trading up were that easy.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
it shouldn't be though
not if Minnesota actually offered their #4 for Batum (and Portland idiotically turned the deal down").
If that’s the case, then why isn’t Daye+7 not good enough for 4?
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No one is going to pull the trigger on 4 until draft night so they can actually know that they are getting cousins.
not necessarily
Cousins could be taken at 3 and Favors could fall to 4, and while Favors isn’t nearly as talented people would still love to have him
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless Detroit isn't interested in Favors and only wants Cousins.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
you know we desperately need either one
Preference lies with Cousins, I mean everyone here knows I’m his biggest fan, but I’ll be content with swapping Tay for Favors
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Ford our draft board is
1. Cousins
2. Monroe
3. Davis
4. Udoh
And there’s a good chance Monroe falls to us now because Golden State is leaning Udoh at 6 thanks to Monroe’s underwhelming workout.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
we should have paid Cousins to be underwhelming in Sacktown
that combined with his headcase would have guaranteed him to us
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Batum is a future All-Star or so Portland fans say.
Of course that rumor could be complete bullshit.
All reports are that Joe is working hard to move up.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
that's admirable
I wish his moves would start getting me hard
yeah and Chris Bosh will lead his team to a title
Batum is a nice little player that’s good at a lot of things, but he’s not truly great at any of them. I say at best he’s basically a stronger Tay without the post moves
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell that to Portland.
Everyone of their players is a future Hall of Famer.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Off topic:
I think Kevin Pritchard is a top 5 GM in the NBA. Why the hell are they firing him? He’s a badass; he straight steals picks from teams and stashes them overseas, and then they come out of nowhere.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oden.
Though that’s not really his fault.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
well it somewhat is
you can’t draft a guy coming off a major injuring and not expect him to have future problems.
But that aside, he’s done a tremendous job. The only problem I have is with how much they overvalue Aldridge, who is terrible at the defensive end; other than that he’s done what Joe did leading up to 04
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he didn't win a title.
That’s the biggest difference. The Darko gaffe was largely excused by a championship season.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Pritchard’s a g. Joe is good, but if Pritchard could put together a championship team, then he’d be without a doubt the number one GM in the league. His only competition is Morey and Buford in SA.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin Pritchard
is also not well respected by his peers. Remember the “i’ll sue you if you sign Ricky Davis” bullshit he was pulling a year or so ago? From what I read, he was roundly shunned by the community of GMs.
Uh, me, new?
Oh man, totally forgot about that.
But it was Darius Miles.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember reading zomewhere that he tried to con management into a larger contract.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
Another thought
What about Jarvis Varnado? Why take Udoh or Davis when you can get Varnado at the top of the 2nd and he does the defense thing much better than either of those guys? I don’t remember him getting annihilated by Cousins in the SEC title game, and I actually came away a little more impressed with Varnado than I was before.
not sure why everyone's lost interest in him or Parakhouski
In all honesty, the first time the two matched up I thought Varnado outplayed Cousins. If it wasn’t for a few bullshit foul calls on Jarvis, Miss easily wins the game
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Varnado was good in the first matchup
I thought he was better in the first head to head against Cousins than in the SEC title game. Either way, he played him at least evenly over the 2 games. I think Varnado is the second coming of Ben Wallace, but hey, I’m just a guy on a blog.
he's more like a perfected Tyrus Thomas
you who call him Ben 2.0 continue to forget just how inexplicably genetically gifted Wallace is and how he’s got a monster frame on top of high IQ and athleticism. Varnado has a very narrow frame and likely will never be able to add enough muscle to play center 35 minutes a game (which is probably why his stock continues to fall)
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I like him a lot too
Villaneuva/Varnado would not suck.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldn't work
neither can play center. Jarvis is very strong, but he’s got Amir’s frame
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He is undersized, isn't he?
I forgot that.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
How many legit centers are there?
If we’re not going to get a guy like Cousins, why not take somebody who’s a game changer that can defend the 5? There are so few true 5’s out there that if you can’t get one, why not take a guy who is athletic (and good) enough to defend both the 4 and the 5? I don’t really get it. I mean, we’re all dying for Cousins because he’s one of the very few guys out there that’s a “true” 5. I can’t think of many others. Howard, Lopez, The Artist Formerly Known As Shaq (HAH!). I guess you could lump Oafy McOaferson (Perkins) in there.
there's a difference
Between Sheed playing center and Daye playing center.
I don’t think you guys realize just how small Varnado’s frame is. He came into college very similar to Daye, and while he has added a lot of strength, he doesn’t have the sheer mass to match up
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is probably why I'd prefer Art to Varnados in the second round.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
He played an NBA ready big man to a standstill
And it wasn’t a fluke. Dude can play D at the NBA level. Comparing Varnado to Daye is a ridiculous overreaction. I don’t care if Varnado showed up at Mississippi State at 5’6 and 132 lbs, I know what I saw last season and I saw a guy who can play the 5 defensively in the NBA.
I wouldn't hate this.
Who do you take at 7 then?
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Best available player
Monroe? I might even go with Aldrich just because I like the chances that one of those 2 guys becomes a major contributor.
yeah....
I think that’s what they’re already trying to figure out anyway based on their need for front court help (they all essentially fill same ‘need’): Who is the BAP between Monroe, Davis, Udoh, Aldrich?
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Agree with MP here. I guess it depends on what the organization feels is a bigger need. I like Aldrich to do the dirty work in the paint, but Monroe is a pretty good passer and brings a different dimension to the offense. If you put a gun to my head, I guess I’d pick Aldrich, but only because Monroe might be slightly redundant with Charlie V on the roster.
Dumars should be picking like a gun is to his head.
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I don't know, making him nervous might cause him to blurt out the wrong name.
Xavier Henry!
Wait, no, dammit!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm starting to like Jerome Jordan as a second rounder
I was watching a video of Varnado working out and was more impressed by the other guy in the video. Turns out it was Jordan. So, then I watched his video. I saw him play two years ago and he was a total stiff. But, he looks like he’s lost a lot of weight and he’s so much more athletic and he’s got nice form on his jumper. Plus, he’s a true 7 footer with a good wingspan.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Chad Ford
The Pistons are going to take a short backup PG with no perimeter game. That sounds about right.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 23, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I get the feeling that if we don't move up, Monroe will be the pick.
Mainly because ONE of Wall, Favors, Turner, Cousins, Monroe, and Johnson will fall. There’s almost always one top 5-6 player that falls, and I think Monroe is the most likely.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
I vote Wall falls
because it rhymes
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyway, who was last year's "faller?"
Stephen Curry. Projected top 6 player. Jonny Flynn then jumped ahead of him.
Hopefully Udoh will be our Jonny Flynn, and Monroe our Stephen Curry because we need some good curry.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
you never know with Minnesota
I’m glad they’re drafting ahead of us instead of someone like Houston or San Antonio
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
So I'm gonna miss the draft
I’m going to my college orientation, and I don’t know if I’ll be done by seven. For some reason, it lasts two days. I hope I can watch it, but it would suck if I can’t.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
i know this sounds lame
but im actually getting out of work early so i can be showered with a full belly sitting in my chair with a cold one by time the draft starts.
Several* cold ones.
You don’t want to take any chances.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I still hope that we find some ways to get Cousins
Damn meaningless wins at the end of the season…
I just don’t feel right if we draft Davis because he is somehow related to Big Ben …I hope Dumars really sees something in him.
Oh my God, I think I can't respect Portland fans anymore.
They believe it was a good idea to turn down the #4 pick and that Batum is going to be more dominant than Cousins.
What?
WHAT?!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions
If only Portland and Sacramento traded fans.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
are they worse than us with jonas?
by don'tworryaboutit on Jun 22, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to kill these fuckers.
I’d take a healthy Oden over every center in the NBA, without question.
Cousins isn’t near the athlete Oden was coming out of college, he’s been described as having high bust potential, and Batum can develop into a star forward. Athletic wing players that can defend the perimeter are pretty rare right now
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Well no shit.
Fact still remains, just like you said, hype isn’t a promise. It’s POTENTIAL. The best case scenario can POTENTIALLY happen. Same with Cousins, same with Oden, same with Batum.
Doesn’t mean that Batum’s potential is higher or more likely to be reached.
Enjoy your first round exits you morons.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahahahaha!
I don’t think Cousins is going to be Gasol. Maybe a more aggressive and athletic Jamaal Magloir
I could do this all night.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
A healthy Oden is still a raw Oden
The guy was considered special because of his lateral quickness and athlecism. He lost a lot of that with the first micro-fracture surgery. The guy has good rebounding instincts but that’s about it. He’s still a foul machine and still can’t create for himself. meh I’d rather play Gasol at center at this point in their careers
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
John Hammond is quickly making me quesiton Joe even more
He seems to be building the Bucks faster than Joe’s collapsing the Pistons. It really makes you wonder, who was behind the success? And if it was Hammond, why didn’t he do anything before Joe stepped in?
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Hammond didn't join the team until 2003.
So a lot of the moves (Billups, Hamilton, Prince, and Ben) were before he joined.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrence J. Lynch: Where Never Ever Checking Facts Happens
Hammond was promoted to Vice President of Basketball Operations in 2002, after serving the team as Director of Player Personnel in 2001.
Uh, me, new?
by Mike Payne on Jun 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was going off of memory.
My mistake.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So NJ is clearing room on the perimeter. This has got mean Johnson is going #3.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This makes sense.
Harris at PG
Williams at SG
Johnson at SF
??? at PF
Lopez at C
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Bosh
Seriously if Jersey takes Johnson, I think this is Bosh’s best fit. That is, if it’s true he wants to be THE MAN somewhere. Lots of young talent here, good coach, and an owner willing to spend.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 23, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
If Bosh goes to Brooklyn
And Amare resigns with Phoenix (reportedly offered an extension)
And Miami gets Wade to stay by getting Boozer
What will NY be left with? Lebron and Joe Johnson? Joe Johnson and David Lee?
New York could come out of this thing royally screwed.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 23, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Good God, man
Milwaukee might be the most underrated franchise in basketball. John Hammond’s been robbing everybody this off season. Corey Maggette for Dan Gadzuric and Charlie Bell? CDR for some grape flavored Swisher Sweets and a jug of pennies? This is the sort of shit Joe should do.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 23, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
???????????
Corey Maggette is due $9.6 million this coming season. Last season, he put up 20 points on 52% shooting, 5 rebounds and 8 free throw attempts per game. That kind of production on that kind of pay is rare in this league. This was an excellent move by Hammond— as Maggette can dominate in the Eastern Conference where muscle SFs hold the keys.
Saying that Milwaukee is “taking on a bad contract” makes you seem well misinformed.
Uh, me, new?
Well, depends on how you look at it. Magette does nothing but score and is a horrible defender. I would say he’s overpaid. But his contract isn’t as bad as others.
No defense, absolutely
Yet if you can manage your roster accordingly, that kind of insanely efficient production is pretty valuable. He’s the most efficient small forward in the league, that 62% TS is practically un-defendable.
Uh, me, new?
There's three things working against Maggette.
His age (he’s going to be 31 in November, and has three years left on his deal). This hurts him because his game is so reliant on attacking the rim, and injury risk rises with age. He’s missed 41 games over the past two seasons.
His defense, as already stated.
And his blackholeness. This is a guy who’s averaged more turnovers (2.4) than assists (2.2) for his career. Maggette is a guy that could potentially kill any good ball movement on his team. Now, I agree in the sense that if managed properly you COULD maximize him and have him be a good player for you, but personally I don’t see it. I see this being another Richard Jefferson type deal.
And let’s be honest: Milwaukee is on the hook for $9.6, $10.2, and $10.9 million the next three years. They’re going to owe him $10.23 million a season, so they’re not getting him for less than $10 million.
Maggette got the nickname Bad Porn for a reason.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The real steal was CDR for a 2nd rounder.
Now THAT was an awesome deal.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re going to owe him $10.23 million a season, so they’re not getting him for less than $10 million.
You’re putting words in my mouth. I said:
“Corey Maggette is due $9.6 million this coming season.”
And his blackholeness
Just like defense, this is only important in a roster-level context. Even then, it’s a moot point— because a black hole with a 62% true shooting percentage does not hurt your team’s offense. Besides, the “black hole” meme is not based on fact. He’s a top 10 passer in his position with 2.5/game.
His age
Would matter more if he isn’t in unreal physical condition— and didn’t just record the best season of his career. We’re not talking about 35-year-old Allen Iverson here, we’re talking about a guy who is more likely than not to produce on the level of his contract for at least the next two years, with the third giving Milwaukee an expiring deal. If he averages 70 games a season in the next two, as he did in this one, it’s an excellent deal for Milwaukee. If he falls back to career averages, he’s still on par with his pay.
This guy is going to drop some serious matchup problems on EC teams that have been struggling with the strength of Lebron, Pierce and Granger.
The real steal was CDR for a 2nd rounder.
For sake of clarity, I never called this a steal for Hammond (not saying you suggested that). I just roundly dispute that what Milwaukee did here was only “take on a bad contract”. Milwaukee will be a terribly difficult team to defend with the addition of Maggette.
Uh, me, new?
Milwaukee will be a terribly difficult team to defend with the addition of Maggette.
If Jennings improves, Bogut stays healthy, and their team defense holds constant, I’d say you’re looking at a team that will legitimately compete for the 4th seed in the East with ATL, and depending on what Hammond does in the draft, could actually make a run at a 50-win season.
And while we’re on bad contracts, they were scheduled to pay Bell + Gadzuric over $11 million dollars next season. How much do you want to bet Maggette does more for them next year than both of those guys combined would have done?
(no offense to Ersan Ilyasova, who fits an Okur role, or MBah Moute, who I like a lot but is not a scorer)
Uh, me, new?
a good big man who plays great d (like bogut) can cover up for a lot of shitty perimeter d. i think the bucks came out on top of this deal. with jennings, cdr, maggette and bogut they have a great starting 4. they really just need a competent 4 and they might even be better than the hawks, depending on what happens with Joe Johnson.
His contract isn't bad
Getting a 20ppg game (who does it efficiently) for under $10 million per game is pretty rare in the NBA. Even if all he does is score, that’s fine at that price point.
In addition, he will be coached by Scott Skiles, who almost single-handedly turned the Bucks from one of the worst to one of the best in terms of team defense. Maggette will be a beast in Milwaukee for Skiles, I have a feeling.
honestly
I would rather have Maggette than Gordon. At least Maggette has a ridiculously high fg% and has a size advantage. Even if all we could teach him to do was not fall behind more than 1 step than his man, that would be more useful defense than having them just shoot over BG every time
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Redick might actually be the better defender. I would never have thought Redick would be anything close to decent in that aspect, but he has worked hard to improve his game.
Agreed
I thought JJ would be pure NBA bust. But he’s worked very hard to carve out an important niche in Orlando. They’d do well to keep him.
Interesting read at TrueHoop about Woldwide Wes.
He has connections in Detroit, currently lives in Detroit, and is close with Rip. This may be good news for the future of the Pistons?
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions
Someone fanshot this.
And take all the credit.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 23, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Rough Night
I dreamed at #7 we drafted a SG Projected to go in the 2nd round.
…I cannot wait until this draft is over
I had the a dream like that
Except that he was referred as a “combo guard”.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
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