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Report: Barring Trade Up, Pistons Will Draft Ed Davis at No. 7

This is according to Draft Express, and DeMarcus Cousins said they need to get their facts straight, but they're usually pretty reputable: 

Detroit: Barring a trade or Cousins somehow falling past Warriors (not happening), Ed Davis will be going 7. Al-Farouq "doesn't make sense."

Davis is a frail, undersized big man from the University of North Carolina. Draft Express has him as a best case scenario Al Horford and a worst case more physically gifted Udonis Haslem. They could certainly do worse at the No. 7 spot, but Davis doesn't strike me as the impact player they need. In other words, please, for the love of Cousins, make a trade happen, Dumars.

If you want more on Davis, Bearded Thundar did an awesome job rounding up his scouting report earlier this off-season.

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cole Aldrich will drop like a rock after workouts

Cole Aldrich C Kansas (they had him listed at 6 ’10) NBA work outs he is 6-7 and he was said to be SLOW and during 1 work out he missed 14 str FTs ..Yeah maybe the Pistons get him,in round 2..cuz he fell to mid 20s at best

by ralphgoblue on Jun 23, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not about speed, it’s about length. Or wingspan.

by -PS- on Jun 22, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

but does he have the wingspan of Tayshaun Prince?

who ironically is also 6’9" 215 lbs, and has been rock solid as a power forward…

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

lebrons 270 (aparently)

I dont think theres a 270 lb center in the draft

The beginning of the end of the misery

by Latif Masud on Jun 22, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

makes sense

He’s got basically a deformed dead baby in place of a chin

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m more concerned about his passing ability, since I’ve heard he projects to point guard.

by Birdman84 on Jun 22, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

More physically gifted Udonis Haslem

sounds optimistic for a worst case scenario.

Garden variety Udonis Haslem is pretty damn good.

by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I was thinking the same thing. Haslem is heck of a defender. If they’re just referring to Haslem’s offensive contributions, then I can see it.

by Birdman84 on Jun 22, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not qualified to speak on the physical gifts of Udonis Haslem.

My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters

by ReichardZ on Jun 22, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No but I hear Lebron's mom is...

HAYO!

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm really torn on Davis

Mostly because of the difference one season to the next. It’s so hard to say why there was such variance. It seems like if he reached his upside, he’d be a starter, albeit a PF not a C. But if not, it’s hard to say where that leaves us.

I’d still rather have a Centre.

by brgulker on Jun 22, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd say the reason for the variance was

losing Ty Lawson, Tyler Hansborough, Danny Green and Wayne Ellington.

by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bye Aminu?
Al-Farouq Aminu reportedly canceled his workout in Detroit. He much prefers going to the Clippers. Has a promise from them. Pencil him in.

Draft Express Twitter

by brgulker on Jun 22, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd say it's safe to say MFMP's running nightmare won't come true

With that Tweet and the “doesn’t make sense” quote in this post, it seems ‘bye Aminu’ is right.

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by Packey on Jun 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll wait to celebrate

when we make our pick and Aminu is NOT named. If we take Ed Davis, however, I will be even less enthused.

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

People I would be less excited about than Aminu:

Ed Davis

Ekpe Udoh

Daniel Orton

Mike Payne (prolific poster, a little short to man the 5 in the NBA)

by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Watson, on the other hand, has enough height.

by Birdman84 on Jun 22, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

thing is

I will not hesitate to tear out a testicle on a Lebron drive.

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

.

Mike Payne might be off the board by #7, but I like Udoh. I think he’ll have a better career than Aldrich, Davis, Orton. I can’t believe you even lumped Payne in that list, though.

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by Packey on Jun 22, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Udoh more than Davis

I prefer Aldrich to Udoh because I think Aldrich will provide more offensively without a big drop in defense. Udoh’s rebound rates are also a little bit too low for somebody expected to provide defense and rebounding with little offense.

by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Aldrich does everything quite well and doesn’t have many holes in his game.

So he’s not a freak athlete, so what? McDyess and Sheed did their best work well after their prime. Hell Sheed still gave Dwight fits in the playoffs and he can barely run

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

I realize now that I insulted MP when I was trying to be funny. MP belongs in the tier with Aldrich/Monroe group.

by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a Udoh fan

I’d personally want him before Ed Davis or Greg Monroe. Good footwork, blocks shots, good jump shot. If we can’t get Cousins or Aldrich, I’d want him.

by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aldrich will be no problem

I highly doubt he’s drafted before Indiana, who of late seems to be going for the NBA’s sole all white team

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Could it really be possible Jod would take an undersized, project PF when there will be a host of centers from project to ready-to-produce available?

That is rhetorical. I know the answer.

But, we do have (at least) 3 PFs under contract. At last count, we have exactly zero centers.

by waulie on Jun 22, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe he thinks Art is wayyyyyyy better than anyone realizes

and will be our franchise center for the next 28 years?

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

this news sucks

by dandresden on Jun 22, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That gets a Rec's Grossman

My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters

by ReichardZ on Jun 22, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

Why has Jod forsaken us?

just EPINION

by real Rob G on Jun 22, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

In my mind, the only two picks I’ll be happy with are Cousins or Aldrich. I don’t want any potential, I want results. Who ever we pick, I hope they prove me wrong!

by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

For me...

Cousins, Favors I’d be excited about.
Aldrich and Sanders I’d be happy about.
Patterson, Monroe, Udoh I’d be content

by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sounds about right

I think Monroe is slightly better than this, but otherwise …

by gordbrown on Jun 22, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe JoD is in the process of bring Donuts Montezuma over undrafted?

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

is it just me

or do all the names we’ve been looking at suck so much that you would rather have Donuts?

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade

Maggette for Gadzuric and Charlie Bell

Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?

by Kriz on Jun 22, 2010 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I saw this somewhere as possible, is it official now?

by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think so

First reported in a Milwaukee newspaper, now Wojaidontknowhisname from Yahoo is reporting it too.

Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?

by Kriz on Jun 22, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wojnarowski

Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?

by Kriz on Jun 22, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is on SI now too

Don't be callin' me dog cause I want ya to say it backwards - Tech N9ne

by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Jun 22, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

This may open up the door for Golden State to draft Aminu.

by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

There goes that clever GM again

Gadzuric is such a stiff, he should paint himself blue and market himself to the elderly.

Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.

by Laughton on Jun 23, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

John Hammond strikes again

Another opportunity lost by Dumars.

Hammond > Dumars.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

this guy davis is 6’9 with no shoes and 7’0 wingspan? that wingspan is shorther than kwame brown’s, sounds like a dumb pick to me, and i agree with some members here, we need someone who can play right off the bat for us, whether its starting or from the bench, holy crap, is talent level really that low from college that u cant find anyone decent with 7th pick? maybe those draft kids should play more in college cuz it seems like every year only top 5 players are decent and the rest are ‘nba projects’/d-league material.

by bags fly free on Jun 22, 2010 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I hope this is BS. How did it happen that both Monroe and Cousins will be gone by 7?

by gordbrown on Jun 22, 2010 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

With the Milwaukee/Golden State trade...

…do the Warriors have any SFs on their roster?

I see Curry, Ellis, Azabuike (sp?) and Bell. Morrow? Randolph, Biedrins, Wright and Gadzuric in the front court. Are they planning on rolling with Randolph at the 3 and Vlad Rad off the bench?

by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

They're changing the way the game is played

By paying homage to Dustin Hoffman’s character Jack Crabb from Little Big Man with “Little-Big Ball”…removing the SF from the roster all together

That or they’re paying homage to Custer’s last stand at Little Big Horn

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was then...this...IS NOW!

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That or they're getting ready to trade Monta for Tayshaun

And we’ll be the first team to start a combo guard and 3 shooting guards as our backcourt.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

they have reggie williams i think. he may have expired but they’ll probably resign him

by don'tworryaboutit on Jun 22, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah there is plenty of talk over at golden state of mind on needing a starting SF now

And the chatter on Aminu on their board is increasing as well…which really just causes more problems than it solves because then we’d have to decide between Monroe and Aldrich and I know JoD would go with Monroe.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

or Ed Davis still.

barf.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

With No SF...

Golden State has to draft Aminu, they were probably spouting that Cousins nonsense to try and get someone (us) to take one of their contracts. Getting the new big man makes me think that they won’t take Monroe, as they are stacked up front.

Hopefully this Ed Davis chatter is some similar spouting from 6 Championship Drive to entice other teams to let us trade down into Aldrich/Sanders territory, in case we are actually stuck with no big man.

by tads on Jun 22, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m guessing they roll with:

Curry
Ellis
Randolph
Monroe?
Biedrins

by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

…do the Warriors have any SFs on their roster?

I see Curry, Ellis, Azabuike (sp?) and Bell. Morrow?

I think you sort of answered your own question. In Nellie world, all those guys are SFs, if not PFs, depending on the situation.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

I would say his ceiling is Udonis Haslem. His basement is a poor man’s Rodney White.

This is just about the worse pick the Pistons could make.

by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 22, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, remember that time Rodney White threw up on the court? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh……

by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You forgetting darko

The beginning of the end of the misery

by Latif Masud on Jun 22, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

*sheds single tear*

Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?

by Kriz on Jun 22, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

the horror, the horror, the horror

hmmm… lets see who else is around 6ft9in-215…tayshaun, austin daye, no no no no no no no no say it ain’t so joe!!!!!!!!

by amazenhazen2 on Jun 22, 2010 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Daye's added five pounds of muscle...

My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters

by ReichardZ on Jun 22, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correction

Packed on five pounds of muscle.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

possible trade

Kings: Stuckey and Prince Get pistons 36th pick Get wolves 23rd pick
Wolves: Hamilton and Wilcox get pistons 7th pick
Pistons: Jefferson , Nocioni and Udrih Get kings 33th pick Get wolves 45th

by lil chris on Jun 22, 2010 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Did you forget to put cousins in there?

by tads on Jun 22, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

this team is over

need start over and rebuild.jefferson better center than what we gonna get with 7th pick
udrich better pg than stuckey.
dayne can be backup sg
nocioni can be backup sf

by lil chris on Jun 22, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cole Aldrich is a better center than Al Jefferson.

The Pistons can stand pat at #7 and improve their team. Even if “this team is over,” the best way to rebuild is by acquiring cheap, talented rookies—not by trading for crappy, overpaid veterans with below-replacement-level talent.

by -PS- on Jun 22, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

regarding nocioni

look right below what im writing.

by dandresden on Jun 22, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Chiseled Charlie?

He needs a team of inferior players because of how much he will dominant this year

by Chandra on Jun 22, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

he'll be the first off-the-bench PF

to average 20/10/5/5

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

20 minutes, 10 points, 5 three point attempts, and five fouls?

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

TRADEFAIL.

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wish

That I could negative rec that trade proposal. I’m pretty sure a chimpanzee could randomly generate a better trade than that by throwing turds against the wall. I think that trade makes everybody worse. Stuckey and Evans are like the same player except Evans is what we all wish Stuckey would be. Why on Earth would the Wolves want Wilcox? I don’t get it. I have to stop thinking about it, I’m angry that such a dumb proposal would make its way to DBB.

by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

it made me want to make a fanpost where you come up with the most convoluted trades involving the most players and picks you can where no one gets anything they want.

by dandresden on Jun 23, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

You want the Pistons to trade their three best players (and only expiring contracts) AND the No. 7 pick for Jefferson and two crappy bench players.

Times are even harder than I thought.

by waulie on Jun 22, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm

nocioni is a sixer now..and the trade sux

by amazenhazen2 on Jun 22, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Ed Davis needs to get Cole Aldrich's shoes or something.

Ed Davis without shoes: 6’9
Cole Aldrich without shoes: 6’9

Ed Davis with shoes: 6’9.75
Cole Aldrich with shoes: 6’11.25

What?

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I read somewhere

that Aldrich thinks they messed up his no shoes measurement. I believe it. Or, maybe he had 1980’s style moon boots.

Slightly OT, but Whiteside showed up for the shoes measurement in flip flops. I think this guy might need some time for his brain to development.

by waulie on Jun 22, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

man pistons sure love those undersized PF’s…

by bags fly free on Jun 22, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey man

what’s so funny about long, smooth, and being able to stroke it?

by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, Ed Davis is none of those.

Which is why it’s quite odd we’re looking at him.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who were our last true centres, anyways? Nazr Muhommed? Eric Montross? I don’t even remember the “real” centres we’ve had on the roster because it seems like it’s been a long, long time.

by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

We hate centers cause our centers suck

Joe makes the argument that having a dominant center position is kind of outdated, and he is kind of right. I’m having trouble naming ten NBA centers, not power forwards, that are just the third best player on their team.

Here’s what I got so far

Lopez
Nene
Howard
Kaman
Gasol
Gasol
Bargnani

If there are so few good centers, whats the point in drafting them unless they are a sure thing.

by tads on Jun 22, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kevin Love?
Andrew Bynum (when he’s not hurt…….which is never)

by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bynum is like the fifth best player on his team after artest and odom, and even that is debatable given how clutch fisher is and how they won’t even let Bynum go on the floor in the fourth quarter to give high fives.

by tads on Jun 23, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Artest > Bynum? Um, yeah….

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

2 words

BOG UT

Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.

by Laughton on Jun 23, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was distracted

by the BOG
snickers

Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.

by Laughton on Jun 23, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Duncan is a centre, too. More so than Pau Gasol is.

by Birdman84 on Jun 23, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at his measurements, Ed Davis is more of an athlete than the usual

long, smooth, and able to stroke it.

He’s not super long with a 7’0 wingspan. Smaller than Monroe (7’2.25), Aldrich (7’4.75), Whiteside (7’7). He also came into the draft combine weighing 227, meaning he’d likely have to put on another 13 to 18 pounds to really play PF.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh

I really hope we can pull something off drafting Aldrich. I already don’t like this guy. I have a feeling “Al Horford” as his ceiling is pretty high. Because I wouldn’t mind it if Al Horford was a Piston, and this guy just sounds like another experiment that broke free from Don Nelson’s lab he replicated by watching “Weird Science”.

by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't know what to feel about Ed Davis.

I like the fact that he looks up to Ben Wallace.
I like the fact that he’s pretty athletic.

Yet I will probably be disappointed if he’s picked.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Aldrich

I know I was hating on Aldrich a little bit in the other thread, but I’ll be shocked if Ed Davis has a better career than Cole Aldrich. Also, we don’t need Ed Davis.

I thought about this a little bit and I wonder if we’ve exhausted options for trading up to get Cousins and now we’re threatening to take Davis to entice somebody who may have made a promise to him in the 10-14 range to move up to 7. That’s the only thing that makes sense. If we draft Ed Davis then I will consider the Legend of Joe Dumars dead and count the 2003-2008 stretch as some unbelievably lucky coincidence.

by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I thought about this too, but then again, the guys is one of those quiet get the work done types, he has a higher ceiling than Aldrich, Udoh, and the other ones according to Chad Ford’s Tier system and you know Ben Wallace will work to make him better. I’m not saying its a good choice, but I can see why Joe would try for it. In fact I can’t make myself believe that Joe D will do anything else.

Draft discussion has been pretty dead for me after I came to that realization.

by tads on Jun 22, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is Davis good at?

Aldrich can bang, rebound, and play some D. Udoh can block shots. Aminu can drive us all insane. Ed Davis will just be depressing. He’s an athlete with no position? At this point, I think it’s worth the gamble to flip Tay and take a bad contract back to move up and get Cousins. Have you seen his rebound rates? They’re unbelievably good. Everybody thought Tyreke Evans was a head case and that turned out fine. I hate the thought that we’re somehow going to fuck this up and leave bullets in the gun. We have assets, now’s the time to cash them in.

by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Davis is an imaginary all-star

Davis is like Austin Daye, a real good player theoretically. At some point we need to stop adding theoretical players with good character and start adding real players with good statistics. I’m willing to bet money, however, that Joe D thinks that time is far away, and until that time comes he’s not trading Tay or Rip

by tads on Jun 22, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

not even close

Austin is an extremely skilled player with great height that is terribly weak and unathletic (so weak that probably any jump rope would help his vertical).

Davis is at the opposite end, decent frame for a PF, but very athletic with no skill

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thing is, I wouldn't mind Tyrus Thomas

Davis doesn’t even strike me as that type. Tyrus Thomas rebounds and blocks shots. What the hell does Ed Davis do?

by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

nothing

he just stands around and waits for the ball.

Theoretically, he could be a better version of Thomas as he has a decent jumper and isn’t a headcase. But he just has no clue of what’s going on around him so I highly doubt that happens

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

and that's the key

do something

We aint asking for much, just do something already. For as unathletic people claim Aldrich to be, he does a lot more moving than Davis ever did

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could even see Monroe/Art as a good future pairing. Ed Davis…. ugh. If we seriously draft him, I might start calling for Joe D’s head.

by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would intrigue me

Monroe and Art should mask each other’s short coming and play off each other very well

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or this:

Aldrich/Omar Samhan.

Anytime Omar Samhan makes a bucket, we blast “The Farmer in the Dell”, whistling version.

by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

no chance

One or the other, but not both.

Ben Wallace’s left nipple would be more athletic than those two combined. If you draft Aldrich, you need to draft an athletic project in the second

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Irony

The weird thing about the Davis pick is the Ben Wallace mentoring. Sure Ben could make him lift weights, but why would you go to Ben wallace for help with a) jump shots b) post ups or c) free throws. Davis’s glaring weaknesses

by tads on Jun 22, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's very true

it makes no sense.

Once again, I said it in nice bold font several months ago in that write up, just say no, to Ed Davis

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It might be blasphemy, but I actually question what Ben Wallace can teach anyone. He got by on his heart, determination, and freakish athletic gifts. Can he really teach someone to do the things he did? He can make them hit the weight room and stuff, but his innate timing and basketball IQ doesn’t seem teachable. Like when great players try to become coaches and they can’t cut it. Their players aren’t able to do difficult things that the coach thinks should be easy because it was easy for them.

by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see people asking Oakley to teach their big men (even though he’s practically begging for a job).

by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno… I think Ben Wallace is just a crazy superfreak who can do things other people can’t. And I think those things are unteachable. Wouldn’t our current big men have improved defensive abilities if this were the case?

by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh, disregard my comment below. I agree with you, MFGE. Ben Wallace was a rare talent and had innate gifts that most big men simply don’t have.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe the mentoring point wasn’t how to play basketball better.

by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they’re hoping Ben can mentor him in the ways of remote controlled cars?

by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

a qualifier

I think blocking shots and getting rebounds are also skills. Some of it is innate — timing especially. But rebounding is a skill that can be improved. If you don’t have heart, determination, athleticism, you probably won’t improve on those things. But the things Ben Wallace did so well took a whole lot of skill as well.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're preaching to the choir

This is the guy who spent how many years trying to convince us that Amir is the truth. I wouldn’t pick Davis until below 8, but if that is what Joe is going to do there, I can bet you that is his reasoning. Why are we waiting for someone who is built like a high school prospect when we are trying to get back to the playoffs soon is really beyond me.

by tads on Jun 22, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Austin is an extremely skilled player with great height that is terribly weak and unathletic (so weak that probably any jump rope would help his vertical).

So theoretically, he’s a good player. A very unique skills set coupled with a horribly frail frame. Looks great on paper, not as good on the court.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

once he packs on 20 more pounds, he should be able to average at least 16 ppg and hopefully 8 rebounds. If he can add 30 within 3 years, I think he can be a very good player and a steal for Dumars. Problem is that we’re so bad that he shouldn’t have taken a chance on a project

The guy was a surprisingly good rebounder despite his lankiness. Ben and Jonas really rubbed off on him in terms of effort

by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

But your objection was to this comment:

Davis is like Austin Daye, a real good player theoretically. At some point we need to stop adding theoretical players with good character and start adding real players with good statistics.

Theoretically, Daye is a good player with a unique skill set that should be capable of producing. Thus far, that has not bee realized.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps

but for the opposite reasons. The only similarity they two have is that they could both be either pretty good or busts. However I like Daye more at this stage, there’s always room in the NBA for skilled players – no matter how small the role. Pure athletes fall out all the time

by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Save us Chad Ford

New speculation per twitter as I procrastinate…

“Tuesday Night Draft Buzz (free): Udoh to GS at 6? Monroe to Pistons at 7; Bucks-Nets talking CDR swap ”http://es.pn/d4TVRG" target="_blank">http://es.pn/d4TVRG"

by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd definitely like Monroe.

He’s no Cousins but I see him becoming a poor man’s Pau Gasol.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who started the KG comparison?

I mean, you couldn’t pick a more opposite comparison.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

BFF

that’s what I said, it’s completely asinine in just about every facet

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ass+9

Asinine.

And yeah, what you said.

by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahh

I thought you meant the girl was a 9

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

as-i-9

asinine

and thank you band aid for sharing.

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by Packey on Jun 22, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just saying the NSFW thing has been brought up before, because a handful of folks browse the site while at work. And if your boss strolls by to see you looking at a pic of Jessica Alba’s ass, it might not go over so well.

by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, a lot of people did complain about it

and while i work from home, i definitely agree with people who want to read DBB At work without getting reprimanded.

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It ain't my fault you got a job.

Zuck it ip.

Dizclaimer : I’m uzing the z because the proper letter doesnt work whenever i want it to, it workz whenever it wantz to. Zee, like up there, it magically appear but now it doent.

Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?

by Kriz on Jun 23, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Second what MFGE said

I have a proposal about images:

If it’s SFW, use the image button to show it in full here.

If it’s NSFW, qualify in the Subject and link to it without using the image button so it doesn’t show up in full (assuming that’s possible?).

I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade … but I do check DBB at work (especially on days like today when it’s slow), and I don’t want nudity on my computer.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa

where was the nudy pic? All i’ve seen is bikini pics. Must have to upgrade to dbb insider for the nudity. btw, i do almost all my dbb’ing from work, and while a bikini pick may raise some questions from co-workers, so does looking a a basketball blog. Nice work, band aid.

by C$ on Jun 23, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also check DBB from work. Checking DBB and having a girl in a bikini might both raise questions, but they are entirely different questions.

by Birdman84 on Jun 23, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The picture is actually not showing up for me, and someone mentioned Jessica Alba’s ass. I was assuming (get it?).

And as Birdman said, checking a hoops blog and seeing partial nudity are quite different, at least in my office.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Checking DBB at work = geek
Looking at partial nudity = loser

??

by Roll The Dyess on Jun 23, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Checking DBB at work = a little lazy
Looking at partial nudity = pervert

by Birdman84 on Jun 23, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoah

what does looking at full nudity of a dwarf goat make me then?

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 23, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s no Cousins but I see him becoming a poor man’s Pau Gasol.

If by poor you mean broke and homeless, I agree completely.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd feel better if this were true

“If Cousins and Udoh are off the board, the Pistons will be choosing between Monroe or Ed Davis. As I first reported this morning, Al-Farouq Aminu fell out of the conversation on Monday after he refused to workout in Detroit. While our Mock Draft has the Pistons drafting Davis, that will change if Monroe is on the board. Sources insist that the Pistons have both Cousins and Monroe ahead of Davis and the other big they like, Ekpe Udoh.”

just f-ing trade up already

by Chandra on Jun 22, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

it shouldn't be though

not if Minnesota actually offered their #4 for Batum (and Portland idiotically turned the deal down").

If that’s the case, then why isn’t Daye+7 not good enough for 4?

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one is going to pull the trigger on 4 until draft night so they can actually know that they are getting cousins.

by tads on Jun 22, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

not necessarily

Cousins could be taken at 3 and Favors could fall to 4, and while Favors isn’t nearly as talented people would still love to have him

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know we desperately need either one

Preference lies with Cousins, I mean everyone here knows I’m his biggest fan, but I’ll be content with swapping Tay for Favors

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to Ford our draft board is

1. Cousins
2. Monroe
3. Davis
4. Udoh

And there’s a good chance Monroe falls to us now because Golden State is leaning Udoh at 6 thanks to Monroe’s underwhelming workout.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the teams would be worried about getting stuck with a wing in Turner or Favors when they want a Big which even at this point, 48 hours away, is still a possibility

by tads on Jun 22, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Batum is a future All-Star or so Portland fans say.

Of course that rumor could be complete bullshit.

All reports are that Joe is working hard to move up.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's admirable

I wish his moves would start getting me hard

by Chandra on Jun 22, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah and Chris Bosh will lead his team to a title

Batum is a nice little player that’s good at a lot of things, but he’s not truly great at any of them. I say at best he’s basically a stronger Tay without the post moves

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell that to Portland.

Everyone of their players is a future Hall of Famer.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off topic:

I think Kevin Pritchard is a top 5 GM in the NBA. Why the hell are they firing him? He’s a badass; he straight steals picks from teams and stashes them overseas, and then they come out of nowhere.

by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oden.

Though that’s not really his fault.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

well it somewhat is

you can’t draft a guy coming off a major injuring and not expect him to have future problems.

But that aside, he’s done a tremendous job. The only problem I have is with how much they overvalue Aldridge, who is terrible at the defensive end; other than that he’s done what Joe did leading up to 04

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he didn't win a title.

That’s the biggest difference. The Darko gaffe was largely excused by a championship season.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pritchard’s a g. Joe is good, but if Pritchard could put together a championship team, then he’d be without a doubt the number one GM in the league. His only competition is Morey and Buford in SA.

by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kevin Pritchard

is also not well respected by his peers. Remember the “i’ll sue you if you sign Ricky Davis” bullshit he was pulling a year or so ago? From what I read, he was roundly shunned by the community of GMs.

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another thought

What about Jarvis Varnado? Why take Udoh or Davis when you can get Varnado at the top of the 2nd and he does the defense thing much better than either of those guys? I don’t remember him getting annihilated by Cousins in the SEC title game, and I actually came away a little more impressed with Varnado than I was before.

by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

not sure why everyone's lost interest in him or Parakhouski

In all honesty, the first time the two matched up I thought Varnado outplayed Cousins. If it wasn’t for a few bullshit foul calls on Jarvis, Miss easily wins the game

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Varnado was good in the first matchup

I thought he was better in the first head to head against Cousins than in the SEC title game. Either way, he played him at least evenly over the 2 games. I think Varnado is the second coming of Ben Wallace, but hey, I’m just a guy on a blog.

by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's more like a perfected Tyrus Thomas

you who call him Ben 2.0 continue to forget just how inexplicably genetically gifted Wallace is and how he’s got a monster frame on top of high IQ and athleticism. Varnado has a very narrow frame and likely will never be able to add enough muscle to play center 35 minutes a game (which is probably why his stock continues to fall)

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given how the lottery is shaping up, I’m almost more excited about the second round, assuming Dumars gets Varnado or Art.

by Birdman84 on Jun 23, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't work

neither can play center. Jarvis is very strong, but he’s got Amir’s frame

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many legit centers are there?

If we’re not going to get a guy like Cousins, why not take somebody who’s a game changer that can defend the 5? There are so few true 5’s out there that if you can’t get one, why not take a guy who is athletic (and good) enough to defend both the 4 and the 5? I don’t really get it. I mean, we’re all dying for Cousins because he’s one of the very few guys out there that’s a “true” 5. I can’t think of many others. Howard, Lopez, The Artist Formerly Known As Shaq (HAH!). I guess you could lump Oafy McOaferson (Perkins) in there.

by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's a difference

Between Sheed playing center and Daye playing center.

I don’t think you guys realize just how small Varnado’s frame is. He came into college very similar to Daye, and while he has added a lot of strength, he doesn’t have the sheer mass to match up

by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He played an NBA ready big man to a standstill

And it wasn’t a fluke. Dude can play D at the NBA level. Comparing Varnado to Daye is a ridiculous overreaction. I don’t care if Varnado showed up at Mississippi State at 5’6 and 132 lbs, I know what I saw last season and I saw a guy who can play the 5 defensively in the NBA.

by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't hate this.

Who do you take at 7 then?

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by Packey on Jun 22, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best available player

Monroe? I might even go with Aldrich just because I like the chances that one of those 2 guys becomes a major contributor.

by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah....

I think that’s what they’re already trying to figure out anyway based on their need for front court help (they all essentially fill same ‘need’): Who is the BAP between Monroe, Davis, Udoh, Aldrich?

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by Packey on Jun 22, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably Monrich.

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with MP here. I guess it depends on what the organization feels is a bigger need. I like Aldrich to do the dirty work in the paint, but Monroe is a pretty good passer and brings a different dimension to the offense. If you put a gun to my head, I guess I’d pick Aldrich, but only because Monroe might be slightly redundant with Charlie V on the roster.

by Other Matt on Jun 22, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to like Jerome Jordan as a second rounder

I was watching a video of Varnado working out and was more impressed by the other guy in the video. Turns out it was Jordan. So, then I watched his video. I saw him play two years ago and he was a total stiff. But, he looks like he’s lost a lot of weight and he’s so much more athletic and he’s got nice form on his jumper. Plus, he’s a true 7 footer with a good wingspan.

by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to Chad Ford

The Pistons are going to take a short backup PG with no perimeter game. That sounds about right.

by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 23, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get the feeling that if we don't move up, Monroe will be the pick.

Mainly because ONE of Wall, Favors, Turner, Cousins, Monroe, and Johnson will fall. There’s almost always one top 5-6 player that falls, and I think Monroe is the most likely.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyway, who was last year's "faller?"

Stephen Curry. Projected top 6 player. Jonny Flynn then jumped ahead of him.

Hopefully Udoh will be our Jonny Flynn, and Monroe our Stephen Curry because we need some good curry.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

you never know with Minnesota

I’m glad they’re drafting ahead of us instead of someone like Houston or San Antonio

by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

So I'm gonna miss the draft

I’m going to my college orientation, and I don’t know if I’ll be done by seven. For some reason, it lasts two days. I hope I can watch it, but it would suck if I can’t.

by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

i know this sounds lame

but im actually getting out of work early so i can be showered with a full belly sitting in my chair with a cold one by time the draft starts.

by Band Aid on Jun 22, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still hope that we find some ways to get Cousins

Damn meaningless wins at the end of the season…

I just don’t feel right if we draft Davis because he is somehow related to Big Ben …I hope Dumars really sees something in him.

by SHH on Jun 22, 2010 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh my God, I think I can't respect Portland fans anymore.

They believe it was a good idea to turn down the #4 pick and that Batum is going to be more dominant than Cousins.

What?

WHAT?!

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 22, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

If only Portland and Sacramento traded fans.

by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to kill these fuckers.
I’d take a healthy Oden over every center in the NBA, without question.

Cousins isn’t near the athlete Oden was coming out of college, he’s been described as having high bust potential, and Batum can develop into a star forward. Athletic wing players that can defend the perimeter are pretty rare right now

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well no shit.
Fact still remains, just like you said, hype isn’t a promise. It’s POTENTIAL. The best case scenario can POTENTIALLY happen. Same with Cousins, same with Oden, same with Batum.

Doesn’t mean that Batum’s potential is higher or more likely to be reached.

Enjoy your first round exits you morons.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahahaha!
I don’t think Cousins is going to be Gasol. Maybe a more aggressive and athletic Jamaal Magloir

I could do this all night.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take a healthy Oden over every center in the NBA, without question.

cough Dwight Howard cough

by Birdman84 on Jun 23, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are very few seven footers I would rather have less than Oden right now. Heck, I’d rather have Camby or Pryz, if for no other reason than their health.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

A healthy Oden is still a raw Oden

The guy was considered special because of his lateral quickness and athlecism. He lost a lot of that with the first micro-fracture surgery. The guy has good rebounding instincts but that’s about it. He’s still a foul machine and still can’t create for himself. meh I’d rather play Gasol at center at this point in their careers

by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

John Hammond is quickly making me quesiton Joe even more

He seems to be building the Bucks faster than Joe’s collapsing the Pistons. It really makes you wonder, who was behind the success? And if it was Hammond, why didn’t he do anything before Joe stepped in?

by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hammond didn't join the team until 2003.

So a lot of the moves (Billups, Hamilton, Prince, and Ben) were before he joined.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terrence J. Lynch: Where Never Ever Checking Facts Happens

Hammond was promoted to Vice President of Basketball Operations in 2002, after serving the team as Director of Player Personnel in 2001.

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So NJ is clearing room on the perimeter. This has got mean Johnson is going #3.

by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

This makes sense.

Harris at PG
Williams at SG
Johnson at SF
??? at PF
Lopez at C

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bosh

Seriously if Jersey takes Johnson, I think this is Bosh’s best fit. That is, if it’s true he wants to be THE MAN somewhere. Lots of young talent here, good coach, and an owner willing to spend.

by Roll The Dyess on Jun 23, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Bosh goes to Brooklyn
And Amare resigns with Phoenix (reportedly offered an extension)
And Miami gets Wade to stay by getting Boozer
What will NY be left with? Lebron and Joe Johnson? Joe Johnson and David Lee?

New York could come out of this thing royally screwed.

by Quick Darshan on Jun 23, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

New York is destined to come out of this totally screwed. You don’t build a franchise by gutting your team for cap space and then wishfully hoping you get a star via free agency.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good God, man

Milwaukee might be the most underrated franchise in basketball. John Hammond’s been robbing everybody this off season. Corey Maggette for Dan Gadzuric and Charlie Bell? CDR for some grape flavored Swisher Sweets and a jug of pennies? This is the sort of shit Joe should do.

by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 23, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is the sort of shit Joe should do.

It is the sort of shit he did when Hammond worked for him.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

???????????

Corey Maggette is due $9.6 million this coming season. Last season, he put up 20 points on 52% shooting, 5 rebounds and 8 free throw attempts per game. That kind of production on that kind of pay is rare in this league. This was an excellent move by Hammond— as Maggette can dominate in the Eastern Conference where muscle SFs hold the keys.

Saying that Milwaukee is “taking on a bad contract” makes you seem well misinformed.

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, depends on how you look at it. Magette does nothing but score and is a horrible defender. I would say he’s overpaid. But his contract isn’t as bad as others.

by Birdman84 on Jun 23, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

No defense, absolutely

Yet if you can manage your roster accordingly, that kind of insanely efficient production is pretty valuable. He’s the most efficient small forward in the league, that 62% TS is practically un-defendable.

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 23, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's three things working against Maggette.

His age (he’s going to be 31 in November, and has three years left on his deal). This hurts him because his game is so reliant on attacking the rim, and injury risk rises with age. He’s missed 41 games over the past two seasons.

His defense, as already stated.

And his blackholeness. This is a guy who’s averaged more turnovers (2.4) than assists (2.2) for his career. Maggette is a guy that could potentially kill any good ball movement on his team. Now, I agree in the sense that if managed properly you COULD maximize him and have him be a good player for you, but personally I don’t see it. I see this being another Richard Jefferson type deal.

And let’s be honest: Milwaukee is on the hook for $9.6, $10.2, and $10.9 million the next three years. They’re going to owe him $10.23 million a season, so they’re not getting him for less than $10 million.

Maggette got the nickname Bad Porn for a reason.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re going to owe him $10.23 million a season, so they’re not getting him for less than $10 million.

You’re putting words in my mouth. I said:

“Corey Maggette is due $9.6 million this coming season.”

And his blackholeness

Just like defense, this is only important in a roster-level context. Even then, it’s a moot point— because a black hole with a 62% true shooting percentage does not hurt your team’s offense. Besides, the “black hole” meme is not based on fact. He’s a top 10 passer in his position with 2.5/game.

His age

Would matter more if he isn’t in unreal physical condition— and didn’t just record the best season of his career. We’re not talking about 35-year-old Allen Iverson here, we’re talking about a guy who is more likely than not to produce on the level of his contract for at least the next two years, with the third giving Milwaukee an expiring deal. If he averages 70 games a season in the next two, as he did in this one, it’s an excellent deal for Milwaukee. If he falls back to career averages, he’s still on par with his pay.

This guy is going to drop some serious matchup problems on EC teams that have been struggling with the strength of Lebron, Pierce and Granger.

The real steal was CDR for a 2nd rounder.

For sake of clarity, I never called this a steal for Hammond (not saying you suggested that). I just roundly dispute that what Milwaukee did here was only “take on a bad contract”. Milwaukee will be a terribly difficult team to defend with the addition of Maggette.

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 23, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Milwaukee will be a terribly difficult team to defend with the addition of Maggette.

If Jennings improves, Bogut stays healthy, and their team defense holds constant, I’d say you’re looking at a team that will legitimately compete for the 4th seed in the East with ATL, and depending on what Hammond does in the draft, could actually make a run at a 50-win season.

And while we’re on bad contracts, they were scheduled to pay Bell + Gadzuric over $11 million dollars next season. How much do you want to bet Maggette does more for them next year than both of those guys combined would have done?

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

(no offense to Ersan Ilyasova, who fits an Okur role, or MBah Moute, who I like a lot but is not a scorer)

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 23, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

a good big man who plays great d (like bogut) can cover up for a lot of shitty perimeter d. i think the bucks came out on top of this deal. with jennings, cdr, maggette and bogut they have a great starting 4. they really just need a competent 4 and they might even be better than the hawks, depending on what happens with Joe Johnson.

by dandresden on Jun 24, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

His contract isn't bad

Getting a 20ppg game (who does it efficiently) for under $10 million per game is pretty rare in the NBA. Even if all he does is score, that’s fine at that price point.

In addition, he will be coached by Scott Skiles, who almost single-handedly turned the Bucks from one of the worst to one of the best in terms of team defense. Maggette will be a beast in Milwaukee for Skiles, I have a feeling.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

All sorts of fail

Getting a 20ppg guy for under $10 million per year…

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly

I would rather have Maggette than Gordon. At least Maggette has a ridiculously high fg% and has a size advantage. Even if all we could teach him to do was not fall behind more than 1 step than his man, that would be more useful defense than having them just shoot over BG every time

by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would rather have JJ Redick than Ben Gordon. And I’m not kidding.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Redick might actually be the better defender. I would never have thought Redick would be anything close to decent in that aspect, but he has worked hard to improve his game.

by Birdman84 on Jun 23, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I thought JJ would be pure NBA bust. But he’s worked very hard to carve out an important niche in Orlando. They’d do well to keep him.

by brgulker on Jun 23, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

reddick is a hard worker

theres always places on teams for guys willing to bust ass.

by dandresden on Jun 24, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

besides

it’s hard to knock the greatest shooter of all time

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 24, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting read at TrueHoop about Woldwide Wes.

He has connections in Detroit, currently lives in Detroit, and is close with Rip. This may be good news for the future of the Pistons?

by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Rough Night

I dreamed at #7 we drafted a SG Projected to go in the 2nd round.

…I cannot wait until this draft is over

by Chandra on Jun 23, 2010 7:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I had the a dream like that

Except that he was referred as a “combo guard”.

Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?

by Kriz on Jun 23, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cant have enough combo guard...i guess

LQQKS like Rip is gone..he has to be traded now,right?

by ralphgoblue on Jun 25, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

YEAH! Cleveland is going to sign and trade Lebron for Rip! Didn’t you hear?

by brgulker on Jun 25, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

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