Hittin' the Links: Starring Chad Ford's Pistons' Draft Board
by Packey on Jun 23, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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PrintTomorrow night can't get here soon enough -- my head is about to explode with all the draft speculation.
- Anyway, Chad Ford claims he knows the Pistons' draft board:
If Cousins and Udoh are off the board, the Pistons will be choosing between Monroe or Ed Davis. As I first reported this morning, Al-Farouq Aminu fell out of the conversation on Monday after he refused to workout in Detroit. While our Mock Draft has the Pistons drafting Davis, that will change if Monroe is on the board. Sources insist that the Pistons have both Cousins and Monroe ahead of Davis and the other big they like, Ekpe Udoh.So that's Cousins, Monroe, Davis and Udoh OR Cousins, Monroe, Udoh and Davis. Draft Express' report said the Pistons would select Davis if they couldn't land Cousins. And Ford's latest mock corroborates that projection, assuming Draft Express knew Golden State's intentions, as it has Monroe going No. 6 to the Warriors and then Davis to the Pistons.
Teams with interest in Alabama's Mikhail Torrance have a similar dilemma. Mikhail however has a floor - #36 to the Detroit Pistons. If other teams want Mikhail they are going to have to draft him before the 36th pick, or try and move into the bottom of the first round to trump any other second round shoppers.
Torrence is a 6'5" point guard who averaged 15.6 ppg, 5.1 apg and shot 47% from the field (36% from downtown) last season. He says he tries to pattern his game after Deron Williams (good choice). For the record, Torrence's name was on the list of players the Pistons released and Chad Ford has him mocked at 60 (!).
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Ugh. It’s borderline criminal to pass on Ty Lawson, then take Mikhail Torrence the following draft.
Torrence’s main use would be as a big PG to cross-match with a smaller SG, but can’t Stuckey do that already? And does this mean re-signing MFWB is probably not going to happen? How many roster spots can we give to combo guards!
Either way, ugh. There are some seriously good PF/C’s who will be available in the early 2nd round. We need more of those on the roster. I don’t understand Jod’s eleven dimensional chess moves.
unless...
MFWB is trade bait and we’ll need a replacement for him. I don’t know if he’s tradeable now with his contract or if it has to be a sign and trade. I think he’s someone other teams would be interested in and he can start for a lower end team.
I agree with you though, I’d much rather shore up the C/PF positions in this draft. I’m not too much into college ball, but there were some decent 2nd round big guys brought up in conversations here that sound like they fit the mold JOD’s going for.
Best Regards,
Rami.
So that’s Cousins, Monroe, Davis and Udoh OR Cousins, Monroe, Udoh and Davis
So, if it’s not Cousins, it’s a project (Monroe, Davis) or an unknown (Udoh, due to where he played and who the competition was). And we’re looking at another guard in the 2nd round.
Awesome. Potentially, we’re two steps closer to cementing ourselves into mediocrity for the next four seasons.
Why do you say we don't know about Udoh's competition?
If it was only because he played one year in the Big 12, the same could be said about all the freshman who go one and done.
I think we know what Udoh is, a good defensive player who will probably never have a great offensive game. And that doesn’t get me fired up about making him the number 7 pick.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
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He’s even worse than a one and done, because he’s older. I’ll just repeat what Gabe said earlier. He only had one good season as an upperclassman at Baylor. The unknown: Did he have one relatively good season because of his age? Because of his competition? Because of change of scenery? Was it a completely fluke or an actual indicator of his projection as an NBA player?
Deafening warning bells should be going off in GM’s heads with Udoh. He has the same problem as Wes Johnson, where he only became a prospect once he gained several years over his competition. On top of that, he still didn’t put up great numbers. The team that drafts him with a top 10 pick is in for a disappointment.
In Udoh's defense...
When he played at UMich, he was a great shot blocker already. And before the end of the year he was knocking down three pointers. If it’s one thing he learned from Beilein, it’s how to shoot.
Watching play this year in the tournament, the ability to put the ball on the floor and pass was what impressed me. I really didn’t think I’d see that out of the guy when he played at UM.
I can see your point, but the other way to look at it is that he has the work ethic to improve his game.
My big concern with him is defensive rebounding.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 23, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The JoD 5-step as it is more commonly known
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Oh god! The crab-dribble
I remember when I learned the Crab Dribble at Sienna Heights University’s individual basketball camp (as opposed to their team camp). 7 foot Eastern European dude with this flaming skull tattoo LOVED the crab dribble.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I should add that knowledge makes the NBA draft infinitely more frustrating. In previous years I was totally ignorant to the players, the process, and the potential behind-the-scenes dealings. This year, thanks to all the insightful contributions here, I feel way more informed………but way more annoyed depending who we pick.
my list would be
cousins
favors
udoh
davis
monroe
…davis doesn’t excite me, but he at least had decent shot blocking numbers in college. and last year when he was supposed to be the star of his team, he didn’t have a point guard. so maybe he doesn’t suck.
I have talked myself into udoh if they are unable to move up—he’s like davis with longer arms and slightly better numbers (especially blocks) against similar competition.
monroe shouldn’t even be on the above list—he might not be a terrible player but he would be a terrible fit for this team.
along those same lines, if the long-term plan involves starting gordon (with stuckey cross-matching on defense as mentioned above), and especially if charlie V is viewed as the starting PF of the future, favors might be a better fit for this particular team than cousins.
I still want cousins, though. if they don’t think jonas can be their athletic starting 4 to complement cousins, they can always find such a guy via draft or trade.
The only time I’ve seen Udoh play was in the tournament and I have to say I was impressed. I’m not impressed by his numbers though.
I don’t want Aminu for the obvious reasons and because he looks like a pouty bitch in every picture he’s in.
I don’t have much hope when it comes to Jod or Pistons near future.
why don't we just buy another second rounder?
Then we can play along with Joe’s silly point guard plans and still draft a legitimate big in the second.
It just makes no sense. A bunch of teams around the league are making moves, and yet we who need to do so the most, have done nothing. Think about it, the only teams that are worse than us have massive amounts of financial flexibilty, we’re tied into our contracts and still have very little talent compared to the conteders
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
I believe it has something to do with:
Cheap owner is cheap.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
damn you Karen Davidson
I wish she would either be willing to spend money or just hurry up and sell the team already. This whole limbo of no spending and bad management is pissing me off
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks to no CBA, we could in limbo for a while.
Probably the only thing she’ll allow Dumars to do is dump bad contracts.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah this really sucks...
But Golden State is getting pretty close to selling. Although San Fran is a much nicer economy than Detroit…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
not really
California is in pretty deep shit right now. They aren’t quite as bad as michigan, but they have a lot of problems of their own
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed, the economy is hitting everyone hard.
Not a good time to sell a huge franchise like PS&E.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The state of CA is in deep, but there are plenty of profitable businesses in San Fran, more so than Detroit.
i think nevada just passed michigan in unemployment figures
No longer number in all things depressing!
Didn't the Pistons just bring in Udoh and Aldrich for a workout together?
Maybe they’ll put them in a steel cage and let them fight for the 7th pick? That’s how I’d run my workouts if I was a GM.
Better still...
“According the Luchey, Udoh’s workout partners are Kentucky forward Patrick Patterson, Kansas center Cole Aldrich, Virginia Commonwealth power forward Larry Sanders and North Carolina power forward Ed Davis.
Luchey also said that Texas center Dexter Pittman replaced Wake Forest forward Al-Farouq Aminu, who canceled his workout. "
Put all of them in the cage together. A battle royal would be a good guage of defensive presence and the ability to turn quickly and block a punch, spin back and block another…
How reliable is Hoopsworld?
I remember either them or Hoopshype (or both) being full of shit.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
Hoopshype has been pretty on top of things
They had everything about the CP3 rumors before ESPN even said one word about it…their rumors section pulls from twitter and all kinds of other feeds and sites. Its just not in a very easy to read format since it is mostly text.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
hoopshype just cuts and pastes from Insider and other various things.
wonder if CP3 is actually going to get traded?
Udoh
I honestly like the pick of Udoh. There are no clear future stars after 1 & 2. We won’t be moving up unless we are willing to take on Brand. We need a player that can score in the post, we need a true pass 1st point that can spread the floor with the 3, we need athletic wing players & we need a true superstar play who can command a double team. If we were to take on Brand & draft Evan Turner we get the possible future star that will command the double team in ET & a post player in Brand. Arnie Kander can rejuvinate his career. We have CV & BG off the bench along with Jerebko, Max, Daye, Summers & Will Bynum. We trade Rip & Wilcox to Charlotte for Tyson Chandler then we draft a defensive big in the 2nd round Jarvis Varnado! We’d be at least # 5 in the east with just a year to acclimate the new players. A starting 5 of:
Stuckey (forced to become a pass 1st guard)
Turner (Future allstar)
Prince (Our fave Piston!)
Brand (Refreshed with a sturdy starting 5)
Tyson at the center (A shot blocking Center that is also a a beast on the break) Or Big Ben (if he doesn’t retire)
A strong bench
lead by Gordon
Cv
JJ
Will Bynum
Varnado
Daye
& Summers
DEEP!
Don’t laugh! It can happen! lol
Philly supposedly already rejected a #7/Prince/Villanueva for #2/Brand swap.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Reject
I never heard that. but we need to make moves. Standing pat with what we have is not going to work. The players we have don’t mesh. I think it’s time to give up on drafting combo players. We need players whose positions are defined. We have a bunch of combo guards & combo forwards. We have no real center no real pg. Our PF are either shooters or can’t score. We have no post presence. As good as a 3 pt shooter BG is, he is all we have now. So we need a complete retooling. i was just thinking outside the box.
You know how to do that.
hands you a 12 pack
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just enabling you.
I ain’t gonna finish the job.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I just have to say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI&feature=player_embedded
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If the Pistons can’t get Cousins, just draft Aldrich. Udoh is old, Monroe turns the ball over too much, and Davis doesn’t do anything well. If you want to trade down a couple spots and pick up another second rounder, that would be fine. But let’s take a player that has NBA-ready skills.
In what world do we live in where 23 is old?
Aldrich is AH year and five months younger. That’s nothing.
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Aldrich isn't even 22 yet.
While Udoh just turned 23 about a month ago.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Aldrich is a year and 5 months younger.
Again, that’s nothing. If ‘Udoh is too old’ is an accepted knock on him, then it can be used on Aldrich, too.
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So then, if a year and half is nothing...
Monroe is too old, too. After all, he’s a year and 4 months younger than Aldrich.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, the age argument for Udoh vs Aldrich is grasping.
Simple as that. It’s a damn year. If the Pistons are trying to draft a project as opposed to somebody who can come in and contribute right away (which I thought was the goal here…) then by all means draft as young as you can, but I don’t think that’s the Pistons’ goal. That’s why calling a 23-year-old who could be a better contributor in his rookie K too old is wack.
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Um, a year and a half is a pretty big deal at that stage of psychical and skill development, Packey. I’m not looking for a fight for the sake or arguing, but a 21.5 year old and a 23 year old are going to be evaluated very, very differently by any professional talent evaluator. 24-25 is when players tend to peak. Being 1 year away vs. 2.5 years away from your peak is a huge deal.
age 24-25 when players tend to peak is not a fact
That’s Dave Berri’s opinion based off of win shares, which I find to have many flaws. It knocks Pau Gasol for having career highs in win shares at 28 and 29 just because younger guards have higher win shares. Doesn’t really make sense to me. In every sports, athletes tend to hit their overall statistical primes around 26-30. If Udoh could potentially hit his prime during his rookie K and help the Pistons more than a prospy in Aldrich or even younger Davis or Monroe, then his age would actually help him, not hurt him.
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Well, win shares isn’t Berri’s first off. And I’m not sure what that has to do with anything anyway? Why do people always relate me with Berri? It’s getting old. I don’t ever, ever bring him up around here, and it still happens.
Second, there’s a difference between hitting your peak and plateau-ing. By the age of 24-25, players tend to be who they are and then hold constant until around 30, after which point they tend to gradually decline. So we don’t even disagree about that. You’re just rushing to a judgment about my statement. Not sure why.
If Udoh could potentially hit his prime during his rookie…
If he’s currently better than any of those other guys, then his rookie season would probably be better, sure. I wouldn’t dispute that at all. There’s nothing to dispute! I was making a general statement about NBA prospects in response to a general statement about NBA prospects you made (or seemed to be making).
Age is one of many factors that clearly and obviously matters. Hypothetically, if Aldrich is completely equal with Udoh right now, and Aldrich is 21.5 and Udoh is 23, the clear advantage is to Aldrich as a prospect in the draft precisely because Udoh, at 23, is closer to his ceiling than Aldrich is. How is that even debatable?
And that’s the only reason Favors is rated so highly — because of the level of talent he posses at such a young age. Other players performed better than him last season, but he will go higher than many of them. Why? Because of his youth and his perceived distance from his ceiling.
Well, win shares isn’t Berri’s first off. And I’m not sure what that has to do with anything anyway? Why do people always relate me with Berri? It’s getting old. I don’t ever, ever bring him up around here, and it still happens.
Well, I googled the question to get some real facts and guess what the first thing was that came up? A WSJ article on Dave Berri’s analysis of age based on win shares. His conclusion? Players peak at ages 24-25. I linked that conclusion to you because I know you’re a big Dave Berri fan. The first time I linked him I got a message from you saying how excited you were that I read him. It’s not a knock on you or trolling any love affair you may or may not have with his stuff. I personally enjoy reading him, I just don’t take it for gospel. It was a very easy link. If you got the 24-25 info from somewhere else then please enlighten me.
Age is one of many factors that clearly and obviously matters. Hypothetically, if Aldrich is completely equal with Udoh right now, and Aldrich is 21.5 and Udoh is 23, the clear advantage is to Aldrich as a prospect in the draft precisely because Udoh, at 23, is closer to his ceiling than Aldrich is. How is that even debatable?
I didn’t debate that. I said the Pistons should be looking for somebody who can contribute now, not who has the better potential 4-5 years down the road when they may not even be on the team anymore. Obviously, if the Pistons think they are equal I’d hope they go with the younger guy. I’ve already voiced that I don’t think they’re equal thus age is pretty irrelevant.
And I don’t think it was you, but a lot of the comments I’ve read on DBB have said Aldrich is close to his ceiling. If that’s the case, his age really doesn’t matter compared to Udoh, at least in helping a case for him.
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I’ve read that article, I think. Looks familiar, anyway. But I wasn’t pulling from that article (not consciously, anyway). Like you said, it’s pretty much common knowledge that 26-30 is the prime for NBA players, right? That’s all I was saying, and it’s the same thing you were saying. Again, I don’t see what our disagreement is on this point.
Regarding the ceiling questions, I personally don’t think Udoh or Aldrich has a much higher ceiling than what they’ve shown. They’re both effective but limited players. But that’s all an aside to what I was trying to say.
I was attempting to respond to this comment:
Aldrich is AH year and five months younger. That’s nothing.
Which I think is flat out wrong with respect to evaluating draft prospects. There’s not a scout in the world that would agree with that statement. When it comes to drafting talent, younger is usually better. If all else is equal, younger players will go higher.
ok
And I disagree on Udoh v. Aldrich, which is why I responded to the dismissive comment of “Udoh is old [so that’s why we shouldn’t draft him]” comment.
“if all else is equal, younger players will go higher,” should go without saying. It’s pretty common sense.
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"if all else is equal, younger players will go higher," should go without saying. It’s pretty common sense.
Right, and I read you to be saying the opposite, which is why I responded in the first place. Anyway, I don’t think we actually disagree generally. Mountain, molehill.
yeah I was speaking with all other things considered. I guess I didn’t make it clear enough that I didn’t think they were equal players.
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C’mon, brgulker — we all know you’re in cahoots with Dave Berri! ;)
Honestly, I miss your Berri posts! It was a different perspective, and you were always able to break down the info into digestible posts that made sense (while reading through Berri’s actual blog doesn’t always make sense for me).
by garrettelliott on Jun 23, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I am.
Thanks for the complement. I do enjoy all of the academics that are studying basketball. There are very few right now, and Berri happens to be the one I find most convincing. I’m guessing that ten years from now, there will be a larger menu from which to select, and maybe I’ll find a new favorite.
I don’t bring up Win Score because it annoyed several people, and that’s perfectly fair. This isn’t a stats blog; it’s a Pistons blog. And I’m a Pistons fan before I’m a stats fan, so I’m happy to steer clear of those types of conversations.
don't be afraid to bring Berri arguments here
If it’s stats and Pistons it’s fair game. Just don’t shut ‘er down or get offended if people try to dispute it with their own beliefs/facts. But if you think it causes more harm than good, then that’s your decision and I respect it. I do enjoy reading Berri and your stuff referring him. I didn’t mean that as a knock on you or him, by any means.
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This is turning out to be a frustrating draft
We suck all season and still we can’t get what we need/want
If we can’t trade up, Trade down. try and pick up a second rounder, and draft Aldrich. And NOT spend the 2nd round pick on a PG. It’s a serviceable position right now with Stuckey. Not so much at the C.
But I would rather see our team Trade up then down.
Correction:
“We sucked all season…until Ben Gordon fucked us by spurring a 3 game winning streak pushing us from 4th worst to tied for 6th worst.”
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
To be fair, Gordon wasn't even playing the last game.
I personally blame Minnesota. We put out team suck squad for that last game and somehow still won.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 23, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
we were down by 18 in the 3rd
and Darko was somehow dominating.
And yet we still fucking won.
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
On their live draft, Simmons and Ford
Both said they think Cousins is a perfect fit in Detroit. Just kill me now. WE NEED TO GET HIM.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
Simmons said he thinks somehow, Detroit will wind up with him
Do with that what you will.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
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I have a feeling
that we would have under Bill Davidson, but not his wife
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone look at Tim Gallon?
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tiny-Gallon-5248/stats/
He looks like a nice second round pick. Tremendous 7’5" wingspan, nice rebounder at 13 boards per 40 and he shot 70% from the free throw line which suggests a nice stroke
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
But how many positions can he play? And is he smooth? Not on the floor necessarily, but with the ladies?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
How does he stroke it?
Long and smooth, I hope. Otherwise, forget it.
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jun 23, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Chad Ford | Bill Simmons Live Mock Draft
Two homers going at it here: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/news/story?page=ford-simmons-100623
Ford selected Davis for the Pistons.
He also qualified it with an ugh.
Everyone, even the haters, realize we have to move out of this spot.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 23, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If you wanted to talk to a bunch of homers, why didn't they just ask us.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
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I have to say if what people say is true
Joe’s love affair with Tay has reached sickening, franchise sinking levels. Unless Mrs. Davidson is keeping him from trading the team’s only large expiring contract, what he wants for Tay is not only too much, is insanely insane.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
I honestly don't think its his love for Tay...
Its Karen Davidson’s love for what Tay’s contract represents…significant financial relief.
The problem I have with KD being such a whore for pinching pennies right now is that she ain’t selling the team for at least another year. If the team isn’t sold or in the process of being sold before Tay’s contract expires then its worthless in the context of the sale anyways.
On top of that, giving JoD the flexibility to make the moves necessary to get this team back into contention would ultimately provide more value to the team as a whole than sitting on expiring contracts and not spending money once said contracts are off the books.
I’ll bet y’all right now that one of the following happens:
- Tay is moved to a contender for contracts that are expiring the following year (Vince Carter + Pieturs for Tay + Rip for example)
- Tay is not moved and JoD backfills with Daye/Summers/Aminu/2011 draft pick and spends nothing in free agency next year
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
why do I get the feeling
that we’re not gonna be contenders until the team sells. :-(
Best Regards,
Rami.
Actually Detroit will never be contenders again
The team will sell to a basketball ownership group based in Seattle with the main financial backers being Steve Ballmer and an out-of-nowhere multi-millionaire who made his money playing the powerball and mega millions…I’m of course talking about myself.
The team will be moved to Seattle and the Seattle SuperPistons will be born. It will rise from the ashes like a Phoenix and its management will be the first blog-run franchise in NBA history.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Cmon lets be real.
Worldwide Wes lives in Detroit, Pistons aren’t going anywhere.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 23, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay then,
Steve Ballmer showed interest in buying the Sonics back from Clay Bennett to keep the team in Seattle. He’s a bazillionaire and paying for the Pistons AND an arena would still only be considered a modest investment for him.
With how Bennett was able to get the Sonics out of downtown Seattle, I don’t think Ballmer would have a lot of issue getting the Pistons out of Auburn Hills…especially considering the state and the city have much bigger issues to deal with than whether or not they’re retaining their link to the NBA.
The only unrealistic aspects of the scenario above are me beign a part of it as a result of winning the lottery and the team being named the SuperPistons. Being bought by Ballmer the team would most likely be named Seattle Windows 7
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
And at which time
The team will routinely stop mid-game and reset.
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Jun 23, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
no no no...
That’s their NBDL team called the Spkane Vistas, Millennium Edition
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
"Spokane"
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
The Spokane Vistas are memorable
Believe it or not, after each play that is called by the coach, the point guard will litterally stop the entire game, personally turn down the lights and ask the coach: “are you sure you want to do that?” After the coach emphatically screams “WTF?! YES!! GO!!” the point guard will then go on to turn the lights and game back up, then inexplicably fail to execute the play just called, muttering something about “incompatibilities..”
It is truly something to behold.
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Jun 24, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
And they'll say,
“Hiring Shaun Kemp as the coach was MY idea”
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 23, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Udoh..
is a no go. I dont want him on the Pistons, not at 7…I would rather attempt to trade down to teens to see who is there is Udoh was to be the pick with our top choices off the board. Udoh is Maxiell the sequel, I dont see him ever being much more than a 15-20 minute guy at the next level. Too thin, too raw offensively for his age, too unproductive when you factor in how many minutes he played and the level of competition he faced. Dont take him Pistons.
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MP look away here comes a trade idea
Detroit would get 4th pick + 27th pick(from nj)
Minnesota would get 3rd pick + Tay
New Jersey would get 7th pick + Jefferson
I like it, but I don't see it happening
NJ would have no place for Jefferson. For one, they need the cap space. For another, they have a very young, mobile team. Lopez is a great fit for them right now and while he can play the high post quite well, I don’t see Big Al being able to keep up with them in transition all the time.
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
New owner, coach, and players mean they have no set in stone style of play.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 23, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
if they want jefferson why dont they just take cousins? hes pretty much the same player, younger and has never been injured. also he could be better than al.
the Nets will do better
taking Johnson 3rd and spending their free agent money on a player better than Jefferson, like Boozer, Stoudemire, Bosh, etc.
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I agree
But there’s also a possibility Johnson could fall to 7, and there’s also a possibility some of the other 3s in the draft may look just as promising to Jersey..like Aminu.
Also Jefferson is younger and NJ would be paying him less than Stoudemire, Bosh, Boozer(possibly). Plus, they don’t even know for sure they’ll get one of these guys.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 23, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnson is far, far better than Aminu, in that he’s exhibited great shooting efficiency within and beyond the arc, and is a sure thing small forward where Aminu is lost in apositionality. The two are not even really comparable, with Johnson being a ready contributor at the 3 without compromise. And if New Jersey doesn’t take him, the likelihood of him falling to 7 is even less than Cousins falling.
Miami, Chicago and New Jersey are the most likely destinations for those players, and you can safely bet that NJ will land one. If they didn’t think they could, I’m sure they would have already explored such a trade.
In both cases, your scenario has New Jersey trading down, and for much less potential.
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I feel the same way as you
Just throwing out a different look. I get paid to think outside the box, it’s in my nature.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 23, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
that it’s a safer route, no doubt. I just don’t see NJ’s new owner taking the safe route under any circumstance. That said, it’s not a bad idea.
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I pretty much imagine the Russian guy to be exactly like this guy:
by garrettelliott on Jun 23, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't always eat babies
but when I do, I dine with Maxiell.
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by Mike Payne on Jun 23, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
you have defeated me good sir
I haven’t lost my composure with laughter all day until now
by bearded thundar on Jun 23, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
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