Monroe for Prez - The "Greg Monroe is a Piston" Post
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2010 8:12 PM EDT
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PrintThe Pistons desperately needed help in the front court, especially at the center position. Monroe has the length and height to play center, and also gives them a big man who can put the ball on the floor. Given what was available, it's hard to be disappointed by this pick.
For a big man, Monroe has a pretty diverse toolkit. Unlike most centers his age, he can move with the ball, pass, and cut to the basket. This gives me confidence that he will find ways to be useful right off the bat.
The biggest questions surrounding Monroes are his weight and his turnover numbers. The latter is a product of creating shots for himself and others, but coaches tend to overreact to turnovers from their bigs, and there is such a thing as trying to do too much. Turnovers are a major coaching pet peeve, so there is a possibility he'll spend time on the bench in spite of his skills.
There are some who suggest the weight issue demonstrates a lack of concern for his game. Will he become another Rasheed Wallace type, who has the skills to take over on offense, but doesn't seem inclined to use them?
If so, that would bode for his future prospect. Wallace is a freakish talent, and Monroe is not.
On the flip side, you could make the case that, with better training, Monroe could drop the weight and become an even more effective player. Still, the fact is that he can do some things better than any other big man of the last two years. That’s what I want from a lottery pick.
I commend the choice. Do you?
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Ummmmm...
And rebounding? And inefficient scoring? And awful shot-blocking numbers?
We’re fucked.
by Gabe F-B on Jun 24, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
His numbers at age 19
Nearly match Brad Miller’s from age 20. He’ll be fine.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
HOLY SMOKES!!!
Monroe’s numbers “nearly” match Brad Miller’s!!!! Thank goodness, I was worried he’d turn into an overpaid, average at best PF/C!
by Gabe F-B on Jun 24, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So no MFMPMD.
Just a MFGFBMD.
I am disappoint.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 24, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Brad Miller was well above average
Whether he becomes overpaid depends on what Joe pays him.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He played in a slow tempo team at GTown
His numbers will be fine..he has the tools to be very good..Pistons “biggest need” area was filled..with a scoring,rebounding,passer,tht can run the floor,create his owe shot and dribble in a crowd…I LOVE this pick
Probably the best choice available
Not sure what it wouldve taken but I wish the PIstons would have managed to swing the trade for Cousins.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
Monroe has the length and height to play center
AWESOME! I can’t wait to see how awesomely he uses that length and height!!!!!!!!!! He’s gonna be dishing the most awesome lengthy and tall passes of any center anyone has ever seen!
NOW THAT IS PISTONS BASKETBALL!!1
by Gabe F-B on Jun 24, 2010 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Lengthy and tall passes
Create assists. Assists are important.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
For everyone
There is no reason why an assist should have any less value for a point guard than for a center.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree that this is the case
His defensive rebounding rate was 25.2, vs. 25.7 for Aldrich, and he improved enormously his sophomore year. Considering that he is two years younger than Aldrich, and has outstanding court vision, I think he compares favorably in that regard.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ty at courtsideanalyst has done a lot of research on draft prospects, and one thing that he’s noted repeatedly is that offensive rebounding translates much more than overall rebounding or defensive rebounding.
Dude, we didn’t fucking draft Magic Johnson. We drafted, at best, the next Brad Miller. The assists aren’t going to be piling up
What "at best"?
As I said, his stats were nearly identical to Miller’s at age 20? If he performed exactly the same as Miller at a younger age, how is that a “best case” scenario, aside from the fact that you dislike him?
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
What is his “best case” then? Brad carved out a long career as a middlingly efficient scorer, sub-par defender, and below average rebounder for a PF/C. In what area is Monroe going to be better?
Potentially
He could be better in every category other than free throw shooting. Brad Miller has the 96th highest true shooting percentage in NBA history, and is 128th all time in offensive win shares, so that’s a pretty good baseline.
His 95th percentile case would be Arvydas Sabonis.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Brad Miller has the 96th highest true shooting percentage in NBA history
WTF? Brad Miller’s career TS% is .564. That is not very good for a PF/C. Not sure where you got this info.
He could be better in every category other than free throw shooting.
Okay, “could” being the operative word. How often do players stats greatly improve in the NBA over their college stats…? (hint — not often)
Rebounds are important. Blocks are important. Scoring efficiency is important. Avoiding turnovers is important.
Lots of things are important! Yay!!!
Cole Aldrich will score his 7 ppg
Very efficiently.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
That rocks.
I can’t wait until Monroe is being paid $12.5m a year to score 15 points a game
Monroe averaged more points
than Cousins last year. He was .3 blocks less and .2 rebounds less than Cousins.
He also played like 10 minutes less per game.
I like Monroe but come on.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 24, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
not if he's given the minutes he deserves
dude put up better college numbers than Joakim Noah, and look what dude ended up doing on his rookie contract.
Man, you ignored the negatives in your write-up, and when people disagree with your assessment you go at Aldrich? How does that absolve Monroe, let alone your write-up?
Uh, me, new?
just curious
But I recall somebody arguing this year that DaJuan Summers wasn’t getting enough minutes to prove his worth and your retort was “if he’s not getting minutes that means he hasn’t earned them.” (not verbatim but that’s the gist of it). In fact, verbatim is “DaJuan Summers has had a world of opportunity to earn minutes”
Why does Aldrich get the preemptive “if he gets minutes” treatment? If he doesn’t get minutes, then that’s his fault, no?
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If he doesn’t get minutes, then that’s his fault, no?
If Nenad Krstic goes down with an injury and Aldrich doesn’t even get at LEAST 20 minutes per game, then the argument is contextual.
Uh, me, new?
even moreso
if Oklahoma drafts another center after Aldrich and that center earns minutes OVER aldrich.
Uh, me, new?
ok I was thinking that, but I wanted to clarify.
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Because Cole Aldrich was available
And DeMarcus Cousins was not. The quality of a pick can only be assessed in terms of the players available.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
HOLD ON HOPE
RT @WojYahooNBA Despite drafting Greg Monroe, Pistons aren’t done trying to pry DeMarcus Cousins out of Sacramento, league sources say.
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08:17 PM: RUMOR: Even though the Pistons have selected Monore, the team has not given up trying to deal for DeMarcus Cousins, according to a report from Yahoo!
Read more: http://realgm.com/#ixzz0rosRGJmH
I love this pick. I’m not worried about his weight. If he can play as hard as Kendrick Perkins (who is also not slim), then he’ll be a Piston for a long time.
I’m glad we didn’t try to get Cousins. In the interview after being picked, when asked about his maturity he said “he’s a kid and just wants to have fun.” Yeah, great answer! That really irked me because I sensed he thinks he can come into the NBA and party.
On behalf of DBB.
Welcome to the team, Greg Monroe. Just work hard, give it your all, and whatever happens, happens. I won’t fault you if you do this no matter what your problems are.
And yes, he will read this because I’m Mother Fucking Terrence J. Lynch and you don’t upset an Irishman.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 24, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions
Damnit. Damnit. Damnit. Another inefficient PF who can’t defend!!!!!! Fire Dumars if he can’t get Cousins.
by brgulker on Jun 24, 2010 8:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This is not
Robert “Tractor” Traylor. The guy is listed as 6-11 and 247 lbs. One Austin Daye is plenty. Some think he needs to add weight:
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/05/17/greg-monroe-nba-draft-profile-and-scouting-report/
He will probably be the best passing big the Pistons have had since CWebb.
Try not to throw him in the bust category just yet.
I'm not Happy.
But I’m not going to take it out on Monroe Either. I’ll wait and see. THEN compare every facet of his game to Cousin’s.
Honestly we just improved by precisely nothing. We have no center at all and 3 pfs who shouldn’t be starters. And Jonas. We are so unbelievably f’d. I have no more words.
by brgulker on Jun 24, 2010 8:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
OkC trading for Aldrich. Great trade for them. Wow.
by brgulker on Jun 24, 2010 8:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
it's not as if
JOD didn’t try to get Cousins. Maloof’s went after him because they knew we wanted him.
Best Regards,
Rami.
One of our championships.
Probably the 2004 one.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 24, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
LET THEM HAVE IT! FOR THE LOVE OF JOD!
Well, maybe not. Let’s see what Monroe has, first.
by garrettelliott on Jun 24, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Rodney White was a star either
Pistons have missed a lot of top 10 picks…they have been ok with 20s beyond..Stucky,TPrince etc..its early picks they struggle with
I need a MFMPMD. Can’t do one myself on my phone.
by brgulker on Jun 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You forget that the MFMPMD Censor is in effect.
I don’t know if’s been used but remember that any freaking out will automatically get censored with “I am currently unhappy with the pick.”
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 24, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
thing is
I’m not entirely unhappy with the pick. I would have preferred Aldrich, but I’m not entirely upset with this. I’m arguing in this thread because I feel that Kevin’s write-up was ignorant to the majority of Monroe’s weaknesses.
Uh, me, new?
I remember you saying this was a 6 man draft.
And Monroe was one of them. So I know you’re not unhappy with the pick but I’m actually with you. I like Monroe but I preferred Aldrich.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 24, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm also
praying to Evolution that we trade Monroe to Sac for Cousins, and will do so until the opening tip in October.
Uh, me, new?
Praying to Evolution won't work!
Only sacrifices to Xenu.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 24, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It's also ignorant
Of the majority of his strengths.
It’s quick response to begin a discussion. I simply disagree that his negatives are as pronounced as you describe. By my lights, he was the 4th or 5th best player in this draft.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
you didn't once mention
his very poor defense, his poor rebounding for his expected position, his inefficiency as a shooter. If any of his negatives are not as “pronounced” as anyone has described, it is one of two you touched on, his weight.
So his weight is more of a problem than his defense, rebounding and efficiency?
Uh, me, new?
Yes
Because it’s one of the two factors I see limiting his playing time and, thus, his effectiveness. I disagree that he is an inefficient shooter, because he creates shots for himself. That’s a tougher assignment than dunking over shorter players (who don’t make it to the NBA) and getting put-backs.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm kind of sick of
everyone dogging Monroe for being a poor rebounder. The fact is, he’s not that bad. If you watch Georgetown games, you see that the Princeton offense requires him to play on the perimeter on offense, which brings down his offensive rebounding numbers. If you look at defensive rebounding, he’s better than every 1st round prospect other than Aldrich (who he’s only .5 rebounds behind).
by Teal Stallion on Jun 24, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you lost me at “Princeton offense requires him…”
But, seriously, I agree that people are probably overreacting about his rebounding…
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by garrettelliott on Jun 24, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
PLZ remember GABE F-B hated the N.SUH pick too
If i remember ..you said Suh would get pushed around and LT is what the Lions WILL draft at # 2 ….
So i m happy that you dont like the Monroe pick,makes it that much better of a pick
C'mon, let's not do this.
Gabe has the right to rage if he doesn’t like the pick. Let’s avoid this spilling over into personal stuff.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 24, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of Panic Here
I’m just a lurker, but this could be ok. I watched him play pretty closely last two seasons at G-town. I think they’re system skews statistical analysis on the kid. He was the #1 prep player in the country two years ago (I think). Indicates the kid has some talent.
I do think he’ll be a benefit to the offense. We have a PG who can’t pass…someone has to do it. A guy can become a competent, not great, defender. I choose to be stoked about this.
I would like the MFMPMD, though.
agreed, still don't understand all the hate... ppl i feel just want to bash Joe D these days
it’s the new “in” thing
I think it’s just the frustration of not getting Cousins boiling over.
by garrettelliott on Jun 24, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
have you, ya know
looked at our record and our roster?
Uh, me, new?
by Mike Payne on Jun 24, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yes… i also realize we had a LOT of injuries last year… i think with simply getting healthier and having a second season with the same coach we’d be a playoff team
to add monroe, i think we’re okay… barring injuries
gordon had to have surgery after the season and we know how well he player prior to getting hurt
What would be nice
Is if Joe could draft at a 3rd grade level.
I found something interesting on Monroe
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=41733
Read through the numbers, it seems that if nothing else, what Monroe needs is consistency. For instance, he had a 24 and 15 game, but followed it up with 15 and 7.
What this tells me is that like Charlie V, the talent is there and it looks like he does have enough size to play center. However he needs a guy like Ben Wallace to get in his ass about working hard every time he steps on the court and judging by his quickness but lack of explosiveness also spend time in the weight room. Not so coincidentally, we have a Ben Wallace.
Not going to say I’m not disappointed, but at the same time, I’m very content. Think about it, it could have been worse and we could have drafted either Aminu or Davis.
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
it could have been worse and we could have drafted either Aminu or Davis.
I’m with you. Also, I am pretty content, but still hoping for a trade.
Uh, me, new?
sometimes it's better to be ingnorant and at peace
than smart.
Pardon me guys, but I think I’m going to sit out this statistical argument and just enjoy the draft. I’m sure by tomorrow you guys will have covered just about all angles and I’ll join the berating of Monroe. But until then, I will sit back and relax whilst flipping back and forth between the draft and Tigers.
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Bledsoe?
that’s a horrible pick on OKC’s part. I agree with every move they’ve done in the past 2 years but that one. Of course they could be taking him purely for trade reasons
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
of course I didn't know
I just got here from work
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Good news everybody!
RT @LarryLage: Pistons owner Karen Davidson says she expects the team to be sold before next season starts.
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woooooooo hoooooooooooooooooooooooo
bearded pelvic thrust time!!!
yes he has a beard, he just chooses to hide it because it doesn’t compare to the Most Interesting Man’s beard
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
that's pretty awesome.
I love anything that involves pelvic thrusts.
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well here it is again
only sped up with epic music
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn it, why didn't someone tell me you were posting in here?
Im drunk PS…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I'm perfectly sober.
Mainly because I’m too cheap to get the good stuff.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 24, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm swapping between Left Hand Brewing Company's Milk stout and Negro Modelo Especial
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
milk stout is so fucking good
as is some especial…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
boss combo
my favorite was up-down square, circle, x, circle, circle, star, x
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I refuse to rec
because he mentions controller buttons from a PS system.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
not a boss combo
but up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, a, b, a, b…
NAME THAT GAME!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Or the only one that matters.
CONTRA!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m done bitching at least until our next pick… But if Jod has the balls to draft Mikfuckinghail Torrance then I might have to throw in the towel.
Well, at least it won't be Brackens.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 24, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping for Ricky Paulding....
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by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now he got a raw deal.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
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seriously worst trailer during an nba draft EVER
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I don't know
Grownups comes pretty close
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually wouldn't mind seeing Grown Ups
THROWN IN THE GARBAGE! AM I RITE?!?!?!
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nevermind
saw the commercial again.
It takes prize of worst
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Tom Cruise at his Jerry Maguire best
Is the most egregious example of quote-whoring I have seen in quite some time.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
rban
he thinks he and Rodney Stuckey can develop a nice pick and roll combo, and he thinks he can learn alot from Ben Wallace if hes around, those were the 2 questions i got in.
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Top DX Top-100 prospects still available: Robinson, Alabi, Whiteside, Warren, Raduljica, Pondexter, Ebanks, Randle, Lawal, Torrance, Zoubek.
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I don't get why draftexpress doesn't give Artsiom credit
They did a piece on how Cousins was statistically a dominant center, and failed to mention that our man actually did as good or better at just about every category but free throws per shot attempt and offensive rebounding (but he wasn’t far behind there)
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the small school thing.
It’s unfortunate.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 24, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean fortunate for us
it looks like he will be on the board without question when we draft, as will Varnado.
Interestingly enough Keith put Varnado as the Pistons’ pick in his latest mock, so while we have no idea if he’s worked out for us, clearly management has taken a flier
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Orton, Alabi and Whiteside are still there too. One might drop.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 24, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I want whiteside out of that group
I’ll take my chances on a potential Camby over a potential poor man’s Derrick Favors (yes potential, Orton isn’t even good enough to be a poor man’s Favors right now) and Alabi is like whiteside without the unreal shotblocking.
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what made Cousins so impressive
not only did he dominate, he was the best player on a team loaded with talent
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
How the hell did Kentucky not win it all?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 24, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
they took too many 3s
they shot something like 3 of 27 in the game they lost
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s actually a really good point. College teams work differently than pro teams, the usage is divided much less efficiently some times, so a freshman that forces his way into a lead role and manages to stay productive in the lead role even after opposing teams have scouted him and adjusted their game plans, that guy is a good bet to make a big impact.
Art, so at least one of DBB’s draftgasms can be fulfilled.
by garrettelliott on Jun 24, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Whtieside
because Art can be had later in the draft. All it would take is one of the billion future seconds we have (with perhaps some cash, but not much considering it would be a low second rounder)
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
we have quite a few actually
I know for sure that we have one from Houston and one from the Raptors, and knowing Joe’s past moves we probably have a few more in 2013
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.realgm.com/src_future_draftpicks.php#detroit
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by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
so we have 2 next year
and 2 again the next 2 years.
I still don’t get the Alex Acker trade. I understood trading him for a future second, but why did we have to give them a second on top of the player?
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You're probably right
at 36 Whiteside could be a MAJOR steal in a few years
exactly
and Art could even go undrafted with the way his stock has fallen
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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How was Jerebko not mentioned in second round performances?
I guess all the others did something fo their teams in the playoffs but fuck them. HIS NAME IS JONAS!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Miami'll probably be taking Whiteside next
They could be scary for the next decade after this postseason
Avery Johnson wants to fill up some holes!
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We'll get Cousins yet...
Just you wait.
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ohh give it a rest
Sacremento’s just a bunch of douche bags that love to draft block us
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, we got Kwame Brown eventually
So it could happen.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
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Nemanja Bjelica, the prospect intrigues me the most.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 24, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks like a baby! A really tall baby.
by garrettelliott on Jun 24, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
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by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions
Draft Grade
Dick-minus.
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by Packey on Jun 24, 2010 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
What happened
to that Ed Davis projection?
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2010/6/22/1530767/report-barring-trade-up-pistons?ref=yahoo
its right over there with my Monroe for cousins trade projection.
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by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Draft Express was clearly wrong
My guess is they heard Davis IF Monroe was taken and put it like that instead.
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that's what they said
If Cousins and Monroe are off the board, then they take Davis
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The guy is a clone of John Wall in terms of size and athleticism
but has no real skill
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 10:47 PM EDT reply actions
Deron Washington?
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by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty much
not joking on the measurables though. Look at them, they’re identical
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
So guarantee his contract then cut him?
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no sign and trade Bynum for a big
and there’s still time to buy Art’s pick, but I doubt Dumbars is smart enough to do it
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Combo Guard?
when I think 1.5 assist a game… i think COMBO Guard…
jesus
So I heard
Kevin Pritchard was just fired…
by Taiwanese Tora on Jun 24, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
5 steps to being a contender again
1) stuckey develops a PG game
2) BG learns defense and playing within an offense
3) Austin Daye develops into Tayshaun
4) CV learns defense and gets tough (on court)
5) Monroe doesn’t suck
we are so close (see you guys in 4 years)
Dayeshaun?
That transformation already happened when they got the same fade. Or at least you couldn’t tell them apart except for when Daye got torched defensively
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Look on the bright side guys
White is a combo guard who shoots 43%, averages 1.5 assists, who “struggles to get to the free throw line.” When he does, he shoots 70%. He’s an inconsistent defender.
But hey, he only has 3.7% body fat. That must mean something, right?
Lots of negativity here
unjustified IMO. I’m a hoyas fan, and have watched probably all of his games.
You’re getting a great passing big man, who defends well, rebounds well defensively, and is very skilled offensively: he can blow by slower defenders and is great at making his own shot and scoring.
Yes turnovers are something of a problem, but he’s still young and will improve in that area, especially when he’s out of Georgetown’s system which put the ball in his hands from the top of the key, something that won’t happen as much in the NBA.
Also remember the Georgetown system really kept down his point totals: he wasn’t expected to ball hog and take every shot.
Finally: there’s something to be said for attitude and character. He’s got it. He’ll work hard to make it, he’s not going to be a bust like the immature Cousins.
Best case scenario: you’ll have a very good player: 22 ppg, 10 rebounds, 5 assists. Worst case scenario: 15 ppg, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 turnovers.
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jun 24, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
So, he turned the ball over a lot because he had the ball in his hands but he didn’t score a lot because he didn’t have the ball in his hands.
by Birdman84 on Jun 24, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they gave him the ball a lot at the top of the key
where he’s obviously not going to take many shots, but at the same time will turn it over a lot. Its an aspect of the Georgetown/Princeton offense that irritates me, but it is what it is.
I don’t see him doing as much dribbling around at the top of the key in the NBA.
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jun 24, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the attempt at optimism (sincerely)
Best case scenario: you’ll have a very good player: 22 ppg, 10 rebounds, 5 assists.
But you have gotta be kidding. Whatever you’re smoking, I want some.
just my honest opinion from having seen almost every single game he's played in
if I had to be negative, I would say: I don’t think he’ll ever be a dominant defender or a dominant force on the offensive glass.
But I have no doubts that he’ll be productive offensively, he’s quite talented at making his own shot and has great vision for finding the open man.
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jun 24, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
22 points, man? Honestly? You do realize that he wasn’t even close to a dominant scorer in college ,right?
he never was asked to be
The georgetown system emphasized ball distribution, finding the open man, and taking the good shot. It also was a slow system with shots often times coming at the end of the shot clock. His sophmore year: he was one of three options (we called them the Big 3) that averaged 14-17 points a game.
Nonetheless, even in that equal distribution he averaged 22 points a game in the Big East tournament and the NCAA tournament (i.e. his last 4 games played) in less minutes than he’ll be playing in the NBA
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jun 24, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
How many big man in the NBA average 22 points per game right now?
KG? Tim Duncan? Anyone else?
Again, I appreciate the optimism. But your projection is so unrealistic that it’s impossible to take seriously.
seriously
22 a game? why not just give him the MVP trophy and a hand job right now instead of later?
Uh, me, new?
well its a best case scenario, i.e. the ceiling
Just saying its a possibility. And there are plenty of centers/big forwards averaging those kind of numbers: Bosh, Amare, Nowitzky, Durant, Granger… etc…
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jun 24, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrico White's ceiling
is 40 points per game. Making up numbers is really easy, AND fun.
Uh, me, new?
by Mike Payne on Jun 24, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
you just became my best friend
that actually got me laughing
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
you name the time
I am willing to drive across the country at this point. Anything to get away from Dumars
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
lol you guys.. step away from the ledge...
is it the real estate values in Detroit that have you guys so pessimistic?
Monroe will be good (not great) he’ll average 15-19 ppg (there I downgraded- happy?) and ultimately will be productive offensively.
All-in all a solid pick at 7, a good player who won’t bust like Cousins, but won’t be a dominant force like Wall.
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jun 24, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
he'll never average 19 ppg
I would shit half eaten baby skulls if that happened
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking
26/13/6/13 is a pretty modest expectation for his rookie season. Those are 13 steals per game, by the way. Oh, and .5 TO’s per game. After every winter win, he will write the words “SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak” in the snow with his own piss, which of course is made of magic and rare yellow dolphin blood.
Uh, me, new?
Pistons are going 98-1
for regulart/postseason next year.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
we lost the game to Mutant Russian Mark Cuban's New Jersey Nets as a salute
to communism.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
no talking you of the cliff I guess. Just try not to pull anyone down with you when you go.
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jun 24, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Jumping off a cliff will be infinitely more fun than watching the Pistons next season.
yikes. do it, I guess.
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So wait
Anyone who disagrees with your belief that he’ll put up 22 in a season needs to be talked off a cliff? I don’t mind the pick, but I think your Kool-aid pushing is totally ridiculous.
Take it easy there, fella. I think your analysis of dude is entirely off base. That doesn’t mean I’m gonna slit my wrists with Monroe player cards. Relax there, fella.
Uh, me, new?
just think people are amazingly over the top negative about the pick
Maybe he won’t be fantastic, but he’ll definitely be solid.
Certainly nothing to get overly upset about.
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jun 25, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of people have spent a lot of time talking about how they could improve the team tonight
People are going to say that they don’t feel these picks improved the team. I’m sure you can understand the frustration. Doesn’t mean we still won’t root for the Pistons, but to blindly assume that every pick made by our GM is the correct decision would be idiotic.
That being said, I’m fine with the Monroe pick (actually, if our roster was different, i.e. more post players, I would be happy to add a stretch 4). It’s the second round pick that bugs the hell out of me.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
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we aren’t pissed at Joe for taking Monroe; he was obviously the best player on the board. We’re mad about the combo guard pick (and are getting annoyed with your rediculous projections)
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
You fail to grasp the context. The anger isn’t really about picking Monroe. Arguably, he was one of the better talents still available.
The anger is really about the fact that Joe built a capped out lottery team that won just enough games to put a guy like Cousins out of reach.
Monroe is disappointing, and that’s amplified by the context.
Then, you come around claiming he can average 22 per, which is patently absurd, and that pisses people off, which should be expcted.
It was all part of Joe's plan
Make the second pick so infuriating that we all lose any anger we might have had for the first pick.
Brilliant!
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
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but had he gotten Varnado
I would have called the draft a solid B+
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Art would have been A++
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 25, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
he won't be asked to be a dominant scorer with the Pistons either.
Best case scenario for Monroe – 30 ppg, kills LeBron with an elbow, and puts Dwyane Wade in a coma with a roundhouse kick. oh, and 15 rebounds.
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don't forget 10 steals
as in he steals 10 other player’s girlfriends, wives, mistresses or moms per month
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Cousins > Monroe
Because he can be a superstar, something Monroe will never be, because he’s soft and takes plays off. You can say a lot about Cousin’s character, but he got down and dirty and got the job done.
He wants to be able to coach at least one more time.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
I have only three questions that I need answered to get behind this second round draft pick:
Is he long?
Is he smooth?
Can he really stroke it?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
This is our frontcourt rotation, guys (and we just drafted a shit combo guard!!)
Maxiel. Charlie V. Monroe. Jerebko (who’s out of position at the 4)
Can anyone name one current Eastern Conference Playoff team that we could actually defend AND outrebound in a seven game series?
Who the hell are we going to start? Jerebko and Max? Screwed. Jerebko and Charlie V? Screwed. I could list more, but what’s the point?
Even IF Ben Wallace comes back, can we really expect a repeat from last season? No one loves him more than I do, and no one was happier than I was when he came back, but he can’t play forever. We are so far away from being competitive. It’s mind-boggling. We’re capped out for the next several years. We have limited trade assets. We have no interior defense and no rebounding (de ja vu much?). God, we are so screwed.
Cock! Balls!
by brgulker on Jun 24, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
this is all correct
the BG and CV signings, plus Rip extension, crippled this team. i would be shocked if they get 50 wins with those 3 on the books.
they are MORE than a lebron away
by redwingxviii on Jun 24, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d for “Cock! Balls!”
And also the good points you make.
by garrettelliott on Jun 24, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll get our cousins for monroe, you just wait.
I’ll be saying this with my dying breath…rosssssebud…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I cannot believe the idiocy I am reading
this is the best thing that has happened to motown these past 5 years…you mean we get an athletic big man who can create and pass…which equals creating for our perimeter players and thats a bad thing??? I wanted Monroe…Not Ed Davis, who can only go left nor Udoh who is an undersized defensive presence in the NBA…Monroe will do what stuckey cannot and thats feed the ball to rip, tay and jerebko…while averaging at least 12 and 8 in a rookie season!! I feel we will return to the playoffs with a healthy roster..PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get a pg..maybe sessions….trade for calderon…or get sessions and al jefferson in a trade….beyond NECESSARY!!!
I am persuaded
I think it was the ALL CAPS at random times.
by brgulker on Jun 24, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree I am satisfied with our pick
although i would have liked to see them trade up and take cousins.
wat.
Monroe is horribly unathletic. Don’t know what you were reading
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
but he jumped and dunked the ball in that 30 second highlight clip they showed!
I’m an expert!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
don't need to
athleticism can be measured in numbers
Skill cannot.
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're saying he can play multiple positions?
Sold!
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
Once Joe targets that perennial All-star he’s always wanted, he can find get that real value for RIP and we can be a contender again.
I'll give you $50 cash
if you can find a team that would take rip in exchange for a mediocre player on a cheap contract
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm too frustrated to deal with sarcasm right now
Joe hasn’t pissed me off this much since, well, he signed Gordon
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Caps
sorry bout the caps…but it was necessary….Im glad we didn’t sacrifice our roster and former all stars for Cousins…an overweight over hyped player…I think you all will see demarcus becoming the next Eddy Curry…just saying…Monroe has value in a sense of longevity…
buddy you need to read this
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2010/2/3/1291274/official-demarcus-cousins-scouting
Cousins will be a top 3 center in the league for the next 10 years if he doesn’t eat himself away
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Cousins is the largest (not a pun) work in project in the draft
He is no where near his potential. But he will have a fairly large impact this upcoming year.
crazy thing is
he’s still the best talent in the draft even without reaching his potential
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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I can see why u like him…but Im overly satisfied with Monroe…we have a guy who can mold with Detroit rather a player we would have to build around…i mean instantly with Monroe’s passing ability Rip, Tay, and Jerebko’s stats automatically will increase…more benefit overall for winning games
yeah
it’s impossible to take anything you write seriously when you have the grammatical skills of a 10-year-old.
Uh, me, new?
lisa? is that you?
my ex-girlfriend used to say that back in ’01. by the way, I totally deleted all of those pictures of you. . . . .
Uh, me, new?
We can mold him with this team?
You mean the one that is incredibly shitty right? I’d rather build a team from scratch around Cousins than build a team around an unathletic big whose best skill is he can pass.
But passing to the perimeter is essential when you're standing with the ball 3 feet away from the basket!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
John Hammond is going crazy with the big men
Larry Sanders, Jerome Jordan, Tiny Gallon to go with Chris Douglas Roberts and Corey Maggette.
Joe needs to borrow one
kinda like when your crackhead friend needs to borrow some cash, Joe has combo-guard abuse and needs to borrow some bigs
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
They said Tiny Gallon is a more skilled Big Baby? Big Baby is actually pretty good…….
by garrettelliott on Jun 24, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
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oh yeah and Daye is a major bust…we should Def keep tay…Daye in my mind will never develop to anything….he can’t guard most 2 guards in this league…lets not even talk about 3’s….if anything hamilton is the most expendable because he and stuckey cannot play along each other’s side…now if we trade rip…we can bring in an Al jefferson..and maybe get a true point in the mix like ramon sessions…and move stuckey to the 2 guard….STR8 UP!!
refer to...
later post to see what we could have had at number 15 pick instead of taking daye….the ultimate WTF pick
I'll double it.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm cheap
so you can have some hair off my back.
I hear that’s worth a lot to Dumars anyways
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I can probably triple that...just give me a week to grow it back.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao
O.J. Atogwe and louis Delmas best safety duo in the league
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So I was kinda wondering
How much for that laptop thingy that can administer a lethal injection?
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.
ok....
for pick number 15….we could have done ALOT better than a poor mans tayshaun prince….the kid is 6 foot 11 and only weighs 200 pounds…fyi BEN GORDON WEIGHS 200 pounds at 6 foot 3…i do not see his weight increasing nor his game standing out at this level…at best he is a spot up shooter and mediocre lengthy defender….STR8 UP
-1 dollars
and who would you have choosen. Daye is a good player with very nice and developed shooting form.
Darren Collison in hindsight
But at the time I would have gone with Blair.
Regardless, I’m happy with the progress Daye has made
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm...
IDK….DARREN COLLINSON….JRUE HOLLIDAY….TAJ GIBSON….OMRI CASSIPI….just to name a few lol…..Daye shouldn’t have been in the 1st round bruh…just saying
how is it that in the deepest front court draft in the past 20 years
we of all people screw it up?
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions
In JOE WE trust.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh enough already
Boourns you know that I like reading your posts very much, but I’m just not in the mood right now. I’m just so damn pissed off at Dumars at this moment
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm drunk enough to not care.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
as I said
I really do like reading his schtick, I’m just too frustrated to enjoy them right now
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give you some of my shtick.
I’d give Jonas all of my shtick.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Dad?
Didn’t realize my father was now posting on DBB.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
I’ve had enough negativity for one night, I think. What a disappointing evening, but I’m ready for Monroe to get out there and tear shit up. I want to see what he can do and just forget the White pick ever happened.
by garrettelliott on Jun 24, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions
there is no way we keep him on the team.
in cost cutting mode? Dude better find a place in Europe to make a name for himself.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly I was fairly happy with the draft until White
and then White just blew my mind beyond reason
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Who the fuck is this combo guard bitch and why is he gonna wear a Pistons uniform?
I hate you Joe.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
What a weird Summer League lineup...
PG: White
SG: Daye
SF: Summers
PF: Jerebko
C: Monroe
but aren’t they all smooth, long, and can stroke it?
by don'tworryaboutit on Jun 24, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
what do all of them have in common?
They’re all playing out of position (as of now, Summers position is bench warmer)
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Players to add to the Summer League team...
Brian Zoubek, Art Parakhouski, Charles Garcia
Throw Mikhail Torrance in there. He actually sounded pretty good. Better than that White kid.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 24, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
I think that White was a better prospect. He’s got great length, size, strength and more athleticism than Stuckey. If you could give Stuckey White’s body, you would probably have a pretty damn good player
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Top undrafted free agents: Brian Zoubek, Samardo Samuels, Alexey Shved, Jeremy Wise, Mikhail Torrance, Sylven Landesberg, Manny Harris
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/twitter.php##ixzz0rpleqF9d
http://www.draftexpress.com
A Georgetown fan's take
http://www.casualhoya.com/2010/6/24/1535657/greg-monroe-drafted-7th-by-the
Here’s our take over at Casual Hoya, think it’s a good pick for you guys. I guess I’m confused by all the pessimism about Dumars and the team. Didn’t you guys go to 6 straight conf finals? One bad year isn’t going to kill the franchise, still have a solid core of Gordon, Rip and Tayshaun.
Just my two cents.
georgetownfrontlawn.com
I appreciate the support
But Gordon, Rip and Stuckey is not a good core. On of the SG has to go in favor of a very good center and everything will align itself. Monroe is a nice player, but Cousins would have fixed a lot of our problems all at once
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Cousins would have been a great fit, without a doubt. Especially with a good organization like the Pistons. The guy is a freak. Just think Monroe is probably #4 behind Cousins, Wall and Turner. Also, considering it could have been a choice between Udoh, Davis and Aldrich, worked out pretty well.
georgetownfrontlawn.com
once again
I’m actually quite happy with Monroe. I would have gone ballistic if we drafted Ed Davis.
But the thing that absolutely destoyed me serenity was the White pick. We are sorely lacking in the center department, this draft was loaded with projects and yet we draft another combo guard (a bad passer at that)
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
It's because everyone had their heart set on Cousins
And then we talked a lot about potential second round bigs. Since they were unable to trade for Cousins and took another combo guard in the second, we’re a bit on edge.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
Swing and a miss on that one.
his/her heart OR their hearts. Pick your poison.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
Got it
Completely understand. I think you guys will be pleasantly surprised by Monroe. Very different from Summers because he is a complete player and has gotten better every year. Summers is not the norm from Gtown, we couldn’t stand him throughout his 3 years. Monroe is a pretty special player and unselfish, which is helpful with the amount of shots Rip, Ben and co. need
georgetownfrontlawn.com
Additionally, Dumars has had a few head-scratching picks recently (to put it lightly)
But I agree with you, I like the Monroe pick. I think he’ll be solid and lord knows he should start on this team.
The problem is how quickly they have turned from a perennial contender into a team that looks lottery bound for the foreseeable future. The only reason they were picking seventh was because they went on a three-game winning streak at the end of the season that “saved” them from being the fourth worst team in the league. This wasn’t a gradual decline into mediocrity. This was falling off a cliff.
Caveats apply: They weren’t healthy last year, and it was a lot of new bodies on the roster.
But it’s hard to think they are a contending team with this roster. They don’t have a true center or a true point guard. And this draft gave them the opportunity to start addressing those problems (trade up for Cousins or take one of the slew of true centers in the second round). That didn’t happen.
Add to the problem that they have a bunch of guys playing out of position and there is no cap space to make a move and you have a very angry fanbase on edge.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
exactly
if we had financial fleixibilty, I would be fine with his moves.
But instead at best we’re a .500 team with no options until 4 years from now when our major contracts start expiring
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Our 2 "big" free agents moves ARE BENCH GUYS
Joe D has really lost it..C.Vill and Gordon ,two guys off the bench get PAID ..he might be running out of time.
greg monroe
Greg monroe was the best pick availabe he is big and lengthy now if we can trade for cousins and keep monroe and play them both together that would be great if not we have to play monroe right away no bench time for him
since some of yal' are sooo negative,
why don’t u u guys just bandwagon to the lakers or something? it was joe dumars that gave u success. if he wasn’t there, both grant hill or ben wallace wouldn’t be play for us this decade, forget the championship. we got so greedy because of the success we had recent years, now we don’t have the patience to witness the team rebuild?
btw, do u realize wat kinda attitude cousins had? it’s terrible. i did not mind about the monroe pick, but just like u guys, i was not happy about the white pick. it’s not a horrible mistake, it’s not like a second rounder (alabi/zoubek/varnado/etc) can turn our franchise around.
by JC no1 pistons fan on Jun 25, 2010 4:49 AM EDT reply actions
Joe has never drafted well
Ever, that is a legitimate criticism of him. Don’t pull out that “oh why don’t you bandwagon to the lakers or something” card, that is just stupid, its painfully stupid. Just because we are piston’s fans doesn’t mean we have to agree with what Dumars does, and just because they won a title with him at the helm doesn’t mean he has the know how to bring this franchise back to prominence.
If Joe wasn’t so god awful at drafting we wouldn’t have to worry about rebuilding like this, we would actually have players on the team who could play, instead of the remnants of his mistakes, and the players who are shells of their former selves, who Joe refuses to part with because he overvalues his own players. We are in this position BECAUSE of Dumar’s decisions, not in spite of them.
Joe Has Made Some Great Draft Picks
It’s a bit strange how a second-round draft pick can piss people off so much. I don’t see anybody suggesting Dumars should have picked somebody other than Monroe at that pick. Many are throwing hyperbolic invectives at Dumars. So it’s all about the second-round pick.
Chill. Get some perspective. With that pick, you take best player available, a gamble, or a project, and sometimes you get lucky. Can we say any of the bigs available with that second rounder are better than Kwame Brown? I don’t think so. Dumars might have missed on a big man, but it’s about luck at that stage. And he might have hit with White.
It’s a bit strange how a second-round draft pick can piss people off so much.
you think people are pissed about White? You should have been here for Joe’s second round performance last year.
Uh, me, new?
Okay so let me get this straight...
Kwame CAKE HANDS Brown gets paid $4.1M last year and you’re trying to argue that Art Parakhouski or Jarvis Varnado from a cost to contribution perspective wouldn’t be better? Fucking impossible to argue logically with people smoking crack. Maybe if you’d said Ben Wallace, but Kwame Brown? If we re-sign Kwame, I can tell you right now I’ll be staking my claim on the “FireJoD.com” URL.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I’m pretty sure that Kwame Brown could contribute more at center next year than Parakhouski or Varnado. Varnado weighs 210 lbs. He won’t be playing center any time soon. There is always an outside chance for an undrafted guy like Parakhouski, but nobody in the NBA saw it. Sure, they miss sometimes, but likely all you have is hope here.
Ad hominem attacks are far from logical. You should avoid these if you are looking for logical arguments. And you should make a case to support your claims. How is it that you know Parakhouski would play better than Brown next year? Back it up.
Dumars can still sign Parakhouski to get a better look at him, anyway.
Brown has experience, some physical ability (quick feet), and he has proven our best option at times. Kuester didn’t use him much last season. On pick and rolls alone, Brown’s value (overall, considering all the other aspects of their games) trumps that of an undrafted rookie center.
Assuming Wallace re-signed and no other bigs were brought in, would you want Brown re-signed? I would
kwame was never the best option, just the only option
i dont really care if he comes back, i would say dont waste the money since we are most likely going to suck next year anyways with or without kwame. id rather see some other dude play and if he sucks then oh well, so did kwame.
btw
you know your team is in trouble when people want to bring kwame brown back. unless he’s in for the vet’s min then he can shove off.
It’s not about liking Brown; it’s about realizing what’s available. But since you don’t care about winning next season, it doesn’t really matter.
might be for the best
just tank another season and get 2 highly touted bigs to build around; it worked for the Spurs anyways
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
but thats the point
at least if you draft a young guy he might suck, he might be good, with kwame you are just getting suck so why bother? just to have some big dude on the floor to win meaningless games? its a waste of money compared to taking a crap shoot on a relatively low risk high reward pick who wont cost you 4 mil. its not like we need kwame’s veteran grit to win game 7 of the finals.
It’s tough to debate this when you are using extremes and absolutes, not recognizing any of the value that Brown offers. He’s a big man who can play both decent perimeter (pick and roll) defense and low-post defense, and who can rebound (that’s not so common for players his size). No, he does not suck completely, in every way.
“. . . at least if you draft a young guy he might suck, he might be good.”
I’m all for taking the BPA as a long-term strategy, especially with second-round picks.
problem with Brown
is that you can’t move forward with him. At best, he’s your backup center. There will always be guys like him in the d-league when we need one.
You are better off getting the higher pick and thinking forward than being stuck as a middle of the pack team with Kwame as our starting center. When we drafted Monroe, that move was as much about today as it was about 5 years from today.
by bearded thundar on Jun 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Joe was behind the success anymore
I think it had a lot more to do with Joe finding gems and then Hammond slapping sense into which ones were actual prospects and which players were just projects doomed to Europe.
Without Hammond, Joe has done nothing right so far
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
because Hammond wasn’t around for any blatant failures beyond Darko, and Darko was the consensus #2 pick at the time.
A lot of the guys that failed here as draft picks actually went off to be nice players elsewhere, not so much with Plaisted, Washington, Sharpe etc that was purely Dumars
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not buying it.
Jerebko was a steal (I’m not pretending he’s a star, but a producer and a potential starter for much of his career). Prince and Okur were before Darko (I do not know when Hammond joined the organization, though).
“A lot of the guys that failed here as draft picks actually went off to be nice players elsewhere . . .”
I’m not seeing how that stings Dumars and not Hammond, and who are you talking about, Delfino, Johnson?
Joe liked Afflalo just fine, and we all know why he sent him to Denver. What minutes would he have gotten here, and if he did, he would not have been as productive as he was in Denver.
Delfino and Johnson but more so Afflalo
who went on to Denver for cash and had a very solid year there. And it is a knock on the GM for failing to get the most of the players you draft. Why is Houston competitive every year? Because no matter who they get, that person seems to hit near to their potential whether its through the draft or through free agency.
Obviously they struck out hardcore on McGrady but that was a bad signing to begin with. Since then, just about everyone they’ve brought to their team (and most recently Chase Budinger) has performed as good or better than expected.
Meanwhile, JoD is lucky to get mediocre play/development from his projects and ultimately throws them away for future 2nd rounders or cash and ultimately they become reasonably productive members of the NBA.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
guys the live feed at pistons.com is starting
they are about to introduce the new guys
by bearded thundar on Jun 26, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
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