Hittin' the Links: Steppin' Back To Look At Greg Monroe And Terrico White, The Newest Pistons
by Packey on Jun 25, 2010 8:40 AM EDT
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PrintWell, last night happened. It escalated fast -- jumped up a notch -- but we have two new Pistons and life must go on. Or we can spend the next couple weeks before summer league consoling one another, ever so gently. Your call.
- Here's what the analysts are saying about the Pistons draft. Hint: They like it. Jay Bilas on Monroe:
"He's different from the others because he's more skilled. I think he may be the most skilled big man in this draft. ... He's a good athlete, but he's not a superior athlete, and that's been a little bit of a knock on him. ... I think he's going to have perhaps a better pro career than he had a college career."Bilas on White:
"He's a better two-footed jumper than I think he is a one-footed jumper. ... I think he'll be a good player in the NBA in time, if he sticks with it."Jeff Van Gundy on Monroe:
"You asked about how he's different from Ewing, Mourning, Mutombo?" Van Gundy said. "He actually likes to pass."ESPN's Chad Ford on Monroe:
The Pistons needed a big man in the worst way and Monroe was the best center prospect left on the board. He's a great passer, a good rebounder and a skillful scorer. He's not a big-time athlete, but he's ready to play right now. I think this a great pick for Detroit. Monroe reminds me a lot of Vlade Divac.Ford on White:
I love this pick for the Pistons. He's one of the best athletes in the draft. White can play both backcourt positions, can shoot the basketball and is very explosive. If he had a better motor, he would've gone much, much higher.More Chad Ford on White. Overall, Ford gives the Pistons an A- for the draft:
With their second-round pick the Pistons went the opposite direction. White isn't as skilled or fundamentally sound as Monroe, but he was one of the draft's best athletes and has the versatility to play both backcourt positions. Had he not had an off year, he would've been a potential lottery pick based on his physical tools, so getting him at No. 36 was a steal.A lot more after the jump:
While Pistons president Joe Dumars certainly didn't solve all their problems in the draft, they did take another important step in rebuilding the team.
Monroe, a highly skilled pivot who best operates out of the high post, should jump right into Detroit's starting line-up. The best Pistons big man last season was minimum-contract Ben Wallace. Monroe will help out converted point guard Rodney Stuckey move the ball, and should improve the team's paint mettle on defense a bit as well.
RILEY: Greg Monroe is the best passer in college basketball. He makes people better around him.
Q: Best passing big man? Or best passer no matter the position?
RILEY: Yep. In college basketball. I don’t care who you’re talking about. Now John Wall was great, let’s don’t take that away from him. John Wall puts the ball right in people’s hands. But I’ll tell you what, Greg Monroe makes people better around him. You don’t see many big guys who facilitate or who help other people.
And so it makes you wonder why, if Riley thought he was such a good passer, the Warriors didn't draft him with the 6th pick. Well, they already nabbed the best college passer in last year's draft in Curry and Udoh will give GS the defensive help it desperately needs. Riley's comments may have also been a smokescreen, hoping the Kings would fall in love with Monroe so Cousins could fall to No. 6.
Add anything else you got in the comments. End of October/beginning of November can't come fast enough, but I'll settle for summer league July 9th.
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JoD needs to move Rip
We are stuck with this White kid, so he needs a chance to earn some minutes. Gordon proved to me at the end of last season he needs minutes to be productive. Rip is the odd man out.
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.
I don't know how you can say we're stuck with White
No guaranteed contract, he’ll sign for less than $500K, they could cut ties at any point in time.
I think Rip is who we are stuck with because no one wants to take on that contract.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
I agree on that point somewhat, Rip will be hard to move for a modest return.
But I can’t see why JoD would draft a guy at 36 and cut him within the space of a single season. It’s not how JoD operates, especially guys that he thinks he hoodwinked the rest of the league on.
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.
If we are going to be a sucessful team, We need to be able to have some chemistry
i don’t believe we can do that shuffling so many pieces between the 1-3 positions constantly. Someone needs to go and I believe this should be rip.
From the TrueHoop article...
Monroe was a better defensive rebounder this season than DeMarcus Cousins, Ekpe Udoh, Hassan Whiteside, Patrick Patterson, Derrick Favors, Gani Lawal, Larry Sanders, Ed Davis — all of ’em.
This makes me feel a little better this morning. Either that, or the Advil is finally kicking in.
Thats just because other dudes padded his stats on his behalf...
I saw a game where another dude on his team clearly was about to grab the rebound but he saw Greg and you could read his lips when you watched the replay,
“Here Greg, you take it. You’ve got a shot at going top 10 and I’m only on the team to pay for my veterinary degree. This rebound could be the difference in your defensive rebounding statistics come draft day and I wouldn’t want my selfishness hindering your shot at being drafted.”
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 25, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i know what game youre talking about
But wasn’t it a business management degree?
by JoeDip on Jun 26, 2010 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
watch Joe's presser
http://www.nba.com/pistons/index_main.html
He might be a confusing drafter, but he’s still an excellent spinmaster. If you need something to cheer you up, this would certainly do it
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions
the more I read on White
the more I’m persuaded that he can be a good player for us assuming he gets his minutes. I’m really really really hoping RIP gets moved and we’re just left with Stuck/MFWB at the PG and BG/White at the SG. I can live with that and not feel bad about JoD drafting another combo guard in the mix.
As far as Monroe goes, I’m happy to have him and I really hope he’s not a soft post player. We can’t have that in the East going up against Perkins, Dwight, Shaq, and the like.
Best Regards,
Rami.
I don't see that happening
The most likely scenario is that WB is part of a sign and trade package for a cheap big and we wait another year until Rip only has one more fully guaranteed year on contract
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
a competeting team
has to consider RIP. He is still a very capable player, but probably overvalued by JoD. We need Tay more than RIP. If MFWB is moved, then it’s not too bad assuming BG comes off the bench, but I’m not thrilled about a 55 mill player coming off the bench.
Best Regards,
Rami.
The problem is
Most competing teams already have a competent if not all-star shooting guard.
Orlando has Vince Carter who is either as washed up or not washed up as Rip
Ray Allen wants to re-sign with Boston assuming they’ll have him
Lakes have Kobe
The Brons have Bron
Miami has Wade
OKC has Durant
Portland has Roy
San Antonio has Manu
Phoenix…? I don’t see Phoenix picking up Rip’s contract with the excess money they have with Amare leaving
So who is there really in the contenders that would even make sense?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 25, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah good point
So its an unanswerable question…there is no contender that would value rip over their current SG…maybe Orlando if we took Carter’s contract off their hands and gave them some very good young talent.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 25, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I could *maybe* see them taking BG
because he’s proven he can knock down the 3 ball. A backcourt of BG and Nelson would get killed by bigger guards though.
by handsomerob1 on Jun 25, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well right...thats what I meant.
Geez its punchy in here today…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Its okay, I still love you.
And the silver lining in all this? We still have Jonas.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Phoenix has Jason Richardson
Regardless of whether he’s on Rip’s level or not, he’s staying there.
by handsomerob1 on Jun 25, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Monroe will not be a soft poast player.
A lot of that was due to the system he played in college. he will be fine.
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 25, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
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it’s alright.
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It's roomered Monroe will be hard in the poast
I’m siked just thinking about it
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by Skylar on Jun 25, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The biggest and worst assumption you can make as a Pistons fan
is that our project players will end up getting minutes. If White gets as many minutes as Summers or even Daye got last year, he’ll be nowhere near achieving his maximum potential.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 25, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm back on the Polish Hammer train
He’s probably even more available now that Orlando drafted Orton, and his contract really isn’t that bad for a center.
We need a damn defensive center or this season is going to be ugly.
A CV/Gortat and Max/Monroe front line could work.
Were can he fit?
I don’t see any team that could benefit from Arenas. He’s a really good player, but he thinks he a point guard when he’s far from it. I can see him totally messing up their chemistry. He needs to be on a team like Boston or SA that has strong veteran leadership and will smack him around when he starts to pout.
Best Regards,
Rami.
Rip/Tay for Vince/Gortat/Future Pick
We could either trade Vince at the deadline or have some cash for 2011 free agency.
This would be a great deal for Orlando as it shores up their weakest positions.
good for them
that trade would make them a MUCH better defensive team. I’d hate to take VC. I view him as another AI in attitude and declining ability.
Best Regards,
Rami.
Yeah, he's basically worthless
But, he has a $17 mil expiring contract. Hell, sit him on the bench all year or trade him at the deadline.
not too bad I guess
if we end up moving both RIP and Tay but where would our veteran leadership come from…we still dont’ know if Wallace is going to retire. Are Stuck and BG enough? It could definitely give Stuck an avenue to actually lead the team.
Best Regards,
Rami.
Veteran leadership is needed on a team where you might actually be playing for something at the end of the season
With our current team (and I understand plenty can happen between now and pre-season), we will not be playing for anything but lottery balls next Spring.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 25, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This season is already over before it began.
Might as well take a washed up has been ballhog to improve our passing skills…err wait thats counter-intuitive.
God can anyone else imagine an offense with Stuck, Carter, Jerebko, Maxiell, Monroe? Good thing Monroe is such a great passer for a big man!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 25, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be their issue
but both Tay and RIP fill needs for them and will start. A backup C would probably have to be added later. They don’t seem to care about luxury tax, so who knows.
Shit, why am I giving a shit about the Magic! I’ve already posted more about them then I want.
Best Regards,
Rami.
I disagree. Rip and Tay don’t fit their system at all. Neither one is a lights out 3-point shooter, for starters. Rip requires several off the ball screens to be effective, which doesn’t fit their pick and roll, inside out attack.
good point
They do love 3 point shooters but no one on their team now is a light’s out 3 point shooter anyway aside from ReShart. However, the SG play is weak and RIP will be an upgrade. Tay and ReShart can alternate the SF position. I think I’m just looking at this one sided though, I don’t watch them enough to know.
Best Regards,
Rami.
What? They have 3 point shooters two deep at every position, 1-4.
Nelson/Williams
VC/JJ
Barnes/Pietrus
Lewis/Anderson
They absolutely don’t need Rip. He’s not an upgrade over VC in terms of pure talent or in terms of fitting a system. They absolutely don’t need Tay. He’s not a clear upgrade over Barnes or Pietrus, given Orlando’s system.
I like Gortat, but there’s no way we land him via Rip and Tay.
Word is Barnes is gone.
Carter shot 24 pecent from three last year.
Lewis and Anderson are both PFs.
They could lose JJ, although I’d be shocked.
Rip and Tay would instantly inprove their defense.
Rip >> Carter; Prince > Pietrus
Tay and Rip are both respectable spot up shooters. Rip not so much from three (although he did lead the league a couple years ago).
I don’t understand how this wouldn’t make Orlando a much better team. Orlando does run “1 in, 4 out”, but it’s not like the 4 out just stand around (well maybe sometimes).
They just drafted a center and could certainly find a 10 mpg back up via another trade or signing.
This is a much better deal for Orlando than it is for the Pistons. I would still do it since it gets us a young, defensive center and would free up cap space. Jod would never do it, though.
You honestly think that an aging Rip on a bloated contract helps Orlando?
I bet if you proposed that single assertion over at Orlando’s SBNation blog, it would be laughed out of there.
What word is there that Barnes is gone?
Orlando’s clock is ticking just like Rip’s. He could legitimately help them win a title. He still has game.
Orlando's clock is not ticking
Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson are that franchise. Everyone else is just filler.
by handsomerob1 on Jun 25, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Max deal + bird rights
= Howard’s in Orlando after that contract expires. He won’t LeBron his way to NY.
by handsomerob1 on Jun 25, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. I’m seeing urgency from Orlando over the last few years (overpay Lewis, bring in Carter, anything else?). Teams with superstars have pressure to appease those stars by building good teams. Howard is quite vocal about what the team does. Orlando feels that pressure. I’m not sure that they want Hamilton, but it is a viable possibility.
I agree insofar as Orlando feeling presure to be good. But I think it’s just a general pressure of wanting to win a championship, not the pressure that they have to win one next year or lose their superstar (ala, Cleveland).
This is the vibe I'm getting too
They had to overpay Lewis to come to Orlando because it’s Orlando, not a giant city like LA, NY, or Chicago.
by handsomerob1 on Jun 25, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I get the vibe that.
Otis Smith is fucking stupid.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
apparenlty that fell more on the owner than GM
a bit after the signing he said something that players deserve to get paid and he enjoys paying for a winner. As if they don’t already get paid enough..
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
M-m-maybe
By no means do I think Rashard Lewis is worth that much money. But I tend to think that folks are too quick to criticize moves made by top teams in the league.
Look, Orlando has made it to the final four two years in a row. To state the obvious, only four out of 30 could do that. They got to the finals with the lineup that Smith created. Most franchises go decades without doing that. And hell, though they were very outclassed by the Lakers, weird shit could have happened. (Kobe could have decided to fix the series or, more likely, gotten seriously hurt.) In other words, Smith came closer than any other team to winning a title with that line up.
I’ve expressed the same with Dumars in regard to keeping the core together for so long. Only a few teams per decade win championships. Only a few more get particularly close. Unless you want to dub all teams and players without a championship “failures”, you run the risk of denigrating 90% of the NBA management and personnel.
Not that I mind doing that…it’s just that outside of professional sports, performance in the, say, 60th-85th percentile would be graciously evaluated.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 25, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Look at what they have for shooting guards. That answer is pretty easy. They did just pay Vince Carter $17 million dollars to be the 5th or 6th best player.
I’m quite sure Orlando fans would love to be rid of Carter. I don’t have time to check.
Barnes is opting out. Link:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2010/05/matt-barnes-says-hell-opt-out-of-his-orlando-magic-contract.html
I have read Orlando is likely to be outbid, but you never know.
That doesn’t mean he’s gone, just that he’s opting out.
In his own words,
I’ve expressed throughout the season that I’ve loved my time here and would love to return. But I think I know more than anybody that this is a business. The organization has to do what’s best for the team. Hopefully, I impressed them enough to bring me back and give me something decent, but we’ll have to wait and see about that."
I bet he’s back, and I bet he’s back cheaper than Tay would be.
Ok, well, I’m thinking “lights out” to me means > 40%. When I checked career stats, most those guys hover around 38% mark which I guess is close enough.
Tay’s at 37% and RIP is at 34% career wise after improving year after year. I don’t think the 3 point shooting is the problem with them being apart of Orlando. I just looked at the top 20 three-point shooters last season and RIP was top top 5:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/3PointS.jsp?league=00&qualified=Y&season=22007
and Nelson/ReShart were low teens. I didn’t expect to see that.
I’m not too familiar how they “fit” into their system, but I’d take RIP over VC. Why? Probably because of the homer in me but also RIP is a winner and plays defense so I think he is an upgrade over VC, especially at their ages.
Best Regards,
Rami.
Your numbers are whack, Funky.
Rashard shot nearly 40% from 3 as a PF: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lewisra02.html
Jameer shot 38% this season, which was a comeback year from injury. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nelsoja01.html
Rip shot sub 30% last season: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hamilri01.html
Compared to VC’s 37%: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cartevi01.html
Oops
Carter shot 24% in the playoffs. Not sure where FD got his numbers.
unless
I misread something, but I went here:
http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/
and just clicked on the players of interest and looked at career numbers which is what I listed.
Best Regards,
Rami.
here
is where I went:
Shart:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/rashard_lewis/index.html?nav=page
Nelson:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jameer_nelson/index.html?nav=page
this says RIP shot 44% last year:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/3PointS.jsp?league=00&qualified=Y&season=22007
etc, etc
Best Regards,
Rami.
Dude, your Top 5 list is from 2007-2008.
Your numbers are way off, or you’re completely misreading them. And since your numbers inform your argument, your argument falls on its face.
I had it set right but
it didn’t update thanks to my Firefox No-Script addon.
Anyway, I’m going back to work. See you guys around.
Best Regards,
Rami.
And the reason why Rip needs multiple screens on Detroit
is because our interior players are tiny by comparison. One Dwight Howard screen and Rip would be draining shots all day.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 25, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Both Prince’s and Rip’s shooting would be dramitically improved by Orlando’s system and playing with Howard.
So, then Orlando’s best-case scenario from this trade is that two players who are worse than the players they currently have (at shooting 3’s) would improve just enough to become as good as the players they currently have (at shooting 3’s).
Read that twice and tell me how it makes any sense for Orlando.
Tay is a little better than Barnes from 3 and about even with Pietrus, so this is more about Rip, actually.
What you are really saying
is that Vince > Rip.
I cannot accept that.
That’s not what I am saying (although I would say that). I’m saying Vince is a better 3-point shooter — which is indisputable fact — and Orlando’s offense – for better or worse – is predicated upon 3-point shooters.
Agree to disagree, then
I have not said Rip is a better three point shooter than Vince. I assert that Rip is a better player than Vince even in Orlando’s system.
Vince was terrible for Orlando all year and then basically lost them a playoff series. I mean, Orlando is actually exploring trading Vince for one of if not the worst contracts in the NBA.
BTW, I was talking about Arenas
who happens to be a career 34.5% three point shooter. Rip is a career 34.3% three point shooter. Arenas is coming off multiple serious injuries and has something like 81 trillion dollars left on his contract.
Barnes is opting out
Tay would replace him in theory.
by handsomerob1 on Jun 25, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This Rip hate is curious
The dude is overpaid. I get it. So are dozens of players in the league. Rip is still a very effective, productive shooting guard. He is a veteran, but he is hardly “old”.
trade Joe's son for Orton
more than likely we’d draft him anyways once he declared, so why not just get it over with now?
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Gortat sucks at most things related to playing basketball, it seems. The dude looks great while he’s out there — he’s a big strong dude, shaved head looks menacing, he’s got quick hands and really quick feet, wicked nickname — but when he’s on the court he seriously doesn’t do anything. Ever. Except maybe foul. His one great play was blocking LeBron last year in the playoffs and that was it. No thanks to the Polish Hammer.
by garrettelliott on Jun 25, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
“If you don’t have something good to say, don’t say anything at all.”
I’ve got nothing good. Time to be productive and forget about this mess.
Dont worry.
We got a skilled big in Monroe who is underrated defensivly and by the end of the year you will be very very happy with him.
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 25, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
If you are correct … I will insert … at least three sets of ellipses … into all of my comments … for all of Monroe’s career.
and
probably get murdered in your sleep by MP. Three stab wounds with an ice pick.
Best Regards,
Rami.
no no no no no
you forgot the third ellipse
should be Bring…it…on…MP
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
prepared for what?
to watch Monroe be a great passer but get demolished on defense?
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe as a rookie.
however his defense will improve and Monroe will be a solid player. GO PISTONS!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 25, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
give it up BBF
look just about everyone but Gabe and brgulker have agreed that Monroe was a solid pick. But seriously stop trying to convince us that Monroe is KG and what not, the guy just is not a good defender so far. Who knows, he could become a very nice rotation cornerstone, but he will never be a HOF player or even be the best player on the time.
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
look just about everyone but Gabe and brgulker have agreed that Monroe was a solid pick.
There were three guys: Aldrich, Davis, Monroe. Picking Monroe isn’t bad. I don’t believe the hype about him, sure, but he could become a solid rotation player.
My beef is that we don’t have one guy on the roster who won’t get dominated at the C position, we don’t have one guy who can defend the post, we don’t have one guy who’s an exceptional rebounder, and we don’t have one guy who can block shots.
Couple all that with the logjam at PF (because Monroe’s no centre), and that’s why I’m frustrated. Monroe will be a decent player with weaknesses, and I’m sure his offense will be fun to watch.
You are the one who should be prepared! My ellipses … willl … hunt … you … down… while. .. you … sleep.
cause sleep is the cousin of death
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battle for your Atari cartridges or put your kicks up, it’s a stick up"
by Skylar on Jun 25, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The difference between this summer and others
The last couple summers Joe has said he’ll entertain a trade, but won’t make one just to make one. This year it’s more of a i really really want a trade, and i understand there needs to be two teams to tango, but i also understand i really really have to do some damage control with this roster.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 25, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions
I lied
I have to comment on this, which I didn’t catch the first time through:
Monroe has the ability to make the backcourt, which has the potential to be one of the best in the NBA, better.
Please tell me that you don’t honestly believe that. Stuckey, Gordon, Bynum, and Rip have the potential to be one of the best backcourts in the NBA. Really? Last year told us nothing?
I'd agree with that...
…Rip, Bynum and Gordon were hurt most of last year. I’d love to see what they could have done with a full year playing together. It’s, at least, the deepest bench. Wade and a bag of potato chips is better. As is Kobe/Fisher. Nash/random guy that can make a three pointer, Deron Williams and my left nut. Etc.
Maybe not the best, but very deep. Would I trade one? In a second.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 25, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Dumars should just keep playing chicken with Kahn...
…until he gets RIp for Al Jefferson straight up.
Or wait until a team get screwed in the free agent bonanza and is left with tons of cap space.
that's probably
what’s going to happen. We can definitely get better value for either RIP or Tay after the big players sign contracts and some team is left holding an empty bag.
Best Regards,
Rami.
left with tons of cap space
So we can give Rip away for free to a team that can simply absorb his contract? Not sure how teams with cap space help us…
pretty much
you send him for a future pick and cash.
I said it many times in the past, we can come out a winner from this free agency as there are something like 7 teams that can give 1 or more max contracts, with really only 3 max contract players with a few very good ones
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
So we give Rip away is what you’re saying. For future picks, which Jod will screw up, and cash, which will line KD’s bank account.
I fail to see how that helps us. We get out of Rip’s contract, I guess, but by giving it away. That was the absolute worst-possible scenario that we could have collectively imagined a year ago.
Isnt the worst possible scenario keeping both BG and Rip at the SG position till their contracts expire?
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Well the world is ending in 2012, so I don't think we have to worry about their contracts running out
John Cusack told me so.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
it helps a lot fiscally
it means that you have the financial flexiblity to make future big moves.
And at this point we’re looking at addition by subtraction with Rip anyways, that would be better than taking back a bad contract for him
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
There won't be any financial flexibility
if KD doesn’t let Jod spend the money they save by switching to Geico getting rid of Rip. Maybe once the team is sold, but not until then.
by handsomerob1 on Jun 25, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
for what it's worth
She expects to sell the team before next season starts.
Not sure to whom though, surely we would have heard a few names by now if they were close to a deal?
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Where is the collective DBB fund at?
I have a jar full of pennies I would be willing to contribute.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
First order of business
MFMP becomes GMMFMP
by handsomerob1 on Jun 25, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard that she wants to sell to the Pistons fanbase
And have it owned kind of like the Green Bay Packers. Only without some douchebag named Brett Favre.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Getting rid of Rip doesn’t give us much flexibility. Assuming we re-sign Stuckey and Bynum, we’re still capped out even if we give Rip’s contract away.
I don't think we do
One of them is likely going to go now that we drafted White.
Look at the fanshot I posted, the kid has a TON of upside. It’s only a matter of him learning how to play the point, and I think that he can make the transition similar to Westbrook
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
barring a trade
he is definitely going to the d-league.
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
there was a comment
in an article I read about her expecting to sell the team before the season starts and that she has not put any financial limits on JoD. Of course, that could be all BS, but
I don’t remember the Piston’s ever being over the luxury cap (maybe when they first got Sheed?), so why would we all of a sudden start spending like crazy now? JoD is going to go at it just like he always has and keep things under budget.
Best Regards,
Rami.
during the championship contending years of the last decade the pistons were pretty high on the payroll list i believe.
I don't know how high we were.
But I believe we only paid the luxury tax once during our run.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I know that fans constantly pick on owners for being cheap
But one of the reasons I admired the Pistons was because they put forth competitive teams while being fiscally responsible.
it always bother me when teams just go out and throw money left and right.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
One of the problems, though, was that it hurt us trying to retain some players.
There was always a yearly “salary cap victim.” Sometimes it wasn’t anyone important (Alex Acker) but sometimes it was (Corliss Williamson). And it also meant that if we were close to the luxury tax line, no trades would be made to make go over it.
Davidson was pretty much adamant about not going into the tax. Hopefully the new owner will occasionally let us go there to be competitive.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Memo was the biggest lose
and then of course Big Ben, but he got overpaid by Chicago. Fuckers hurt us on purpose.
Best Regards,
Rami.
Memo was lost more due to a stupid CBA than luxury tax.
We couldn’t offer him any more than the MLE due to not having his Bird Rights.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
all second round picks are unrestricted
but now you can go over the cap to resign them, before you couldn’t (which was as you said, why we lost him)
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was because he was only under contract for 2 years.
Therefore we didn’t have his Bird Rights and had to use our MLE if we wanted to retain him.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
no it had to do with being a second round pick
they are unrestricted by definition. However, now you can go over the cap to extend players on a rookie contract
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, OK.
This is kind of why I support a hard cap. All these exemptions, restricted vs unrestricted, etc.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
a hard cap only works in theory
but in the end, either a new players agreement has to be made such that people get far smaller contracts, or you end up with every team being mediocre as no one has more than 1 “star”
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno i thought that i just read something about that correlated the payroll which i seem to remember being in the top 10 at least with our winning.
then Cuban must be pissed
super high payroll year in and year out and only 2 final’s wins to show for it.
Best Regards,
Rami.
Well, if they are willing to take him I'd do him.
And its nothing against Rip, its really not his fault. Fully.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Monroe is growing on me.
I really didn’t keep up on him much this year, but if you read that TrueHoop article it’s really hard not to like the pick. Apparently he’s an elite passer for a big man (in the clips they provide Monroe makes a couple gorgeous entry and no-look passes) and the “character” stuff he’s got in spades. The fact that he was a better defensive rebounder than anyone in the first round not named Aldrich (and only percentage points behind him) doesn’t hurt either.
being a good passer and defensive rebounds
isn’t good enough for a big man around here. People last night were (might still be) hung up on offensive rebounds and blocked shots numbers. They want a Ben Wallace replacement, but forget that Ben Wallace couldn’t score from within 3 ft of the rim and bitched about that. My only concern now is how well he can play defense against the East’s bigs. At this point with how the team is being structured, I’d rather have another guy that can facilitate and open things up since we might not get that pure PG everyone wants. I can see him and CV playing well together in the post, but they might both get killed on D.
Best Regards,
Rami.
"isn’t good enough for a big man around here"
And you know that how? You’ve only been here less than a week.
I think that most people on DBB have come to accept Monroe as a very solid pick; for the one billionth time, it’s the White pick that is driving us ballistic
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you're a tard
I’ve been here for a couple years. I was on the previous site also as “Rami”.
Best Regards,
Rami.
never seen you here before
not since the move here anyways
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
excuse me
for calling you a tard, but I just troll a lot and really enjoy the site.
BTW, bearded pelvic thrust had me rolling.
Best Regards,
Rami.
it's fine
I had assumed that you were some random person that just joined because I never saw you before, simple misunderstanding
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
he's no band-wagon ass cat, thundar...
Don't be callin' me dog cause I want ya to say it backwards - Tech N9ne
by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Jun 25, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
couldn’t score from within 3 ft of the rim
Have you ever watched Ben Wallace play? In his prime, he finished with authority on oops and after offensive boards.
of course I have!
I meant outside 3 ft…just exaggerating his lack of offensive skill
Best Regards,
Rami.
Still don't understand why we didn't take Ben Wallace 2.0 in the second round though.
That one irks me. Apparently this White kid has a lot of potential? All I know is that we have a million guards and SF’s and definitely could’ve used a shot-blocking machine coming off the bench for rookie pay.
buddy we went ballistic over that
go read the draft thread, Kriz lost her head
But you know what, White could be the steal of the draft if he pans out. His measurables are the exact same as John Wall, however he spent very little time playing the point in college. I posted a highlight video of him and he does have fairly good passing skills, so I think he does have a solid chance of becoming our starting point guard in a few years.
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, BT
I think you might be putting a bit too much stock in measurements. I guess anything is possible.
why not?
John Wall has subpar point guard ability and yet he’s the consensus number 1 pick amongst most analysts. With guards lately it seems that athleticism is a requirement and then skill will come with time
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
who's requirement?
Not mine. Besides weren’t you going on and on about how Aldrich and Big Art didn’t need athleticism because they had basketball skill?
prehaps but Darko is extremely skilled
He is athletic, skilled and has the size. He could have been a HOF player if he had the work ethic, but he’s just too immature to even play 30 minutes a night
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
note that I said guards
not bigs
And also watch the footage of White, he has a better stroke than Stuckey
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So, he can really stroke it.
Is he long and smooth? If so, I’m in.
If he has John Wall measurables, then he's definitely long
but I’d say he’s more smoove than smooth.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Here's white's Chicago combine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYfZYt9aomg&feature=player_embedded
He’s got a great stroke and seems to just float through the air
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
I've calmed down from last night, but I still see White's ceiling as a Shannon Brown type.
Which would be OK if we needed that.
I’m hoping that Dumars is going to look at a lot of these undrafted bigs to potentially give summer league contracts, or he’s got a plan to move Prince/Rip/Stuckey/whoever for a big, or something.
Dumars was pretty active last season so I don’t see this being any different. I just want the activity to be for the better. Or at the very least, to get out of some contracts.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
White will be a better player
Brown never really had a consistent jumper until recently, White’s jumper looks very fluid already
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
NBA Fanhouse grading:
Detroit Pistons: The Pistons picked up a new starting center, Georgetown’s Greg Monroe, in the first round, and solid 20-year-old combo guard Terrico White in the second round. White might be an insurance policy for Will Bynum, who will be a restricted free agent this summer. Some question whether White can play point guard in the NBA. Lord knows that if he can’t, Monroe — the most skilled passer at center in years - can. Final Grade: A.
At this point, personally I'm not interested
he has been drafted, he is a Pistons. Projections don’t matter anymore. Now we see.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
by Kriz on Jun 25, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep. But Dumars still has to figure out the roster and how it’s all supposed to fit together (I hope he is figuring).
Ideally, for me, he is trying to get a defensive center so Monroe can play the PF position.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Yes, those lapels are circa-Chuck Daly
and then circa Michael Curry
I don’t care, cause nothing is ever gonna beat this draft day fashion disaster
"For fam like the Partridges, pardon him for the mix up
battle for your Atari cartridges or put your kicks up, it’s a stick up"
I know nothing of fabric, suits or fashion
But that looks like an amazingly cheap suit and the tie is too old, even for my 70 year old grandfather.
I like this kid.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
I also think his handkerchief thing is just some triangles cut out of paper and stuck on the pocket.
by garrettelliott on Jun 25, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
after some reflection im okay with the monroe pick
he’s not a beast in the paint, but what if he is a more finesse kinda guy like pau gasol? that prolly too generous a comparison but he seems to be pretty talented and consensus seems to think it was a good pick. its prolly the best pick we could have made given the circumstances. i know he isnt going to dominate other c’s on d but if he can hold his own he will be a plus. it might be good to have a guy who can pass in the post, especially since our offense was just dudes running iso’s last year. might open up the offense a little bit.
just for the record, i was always ok with the monroe pick
and i am going to rub it in all of your faces when he makes the rookie team.
=P
and I really don’t think the comparison to pau gasol is really all that generous. Thats the type of player i would expect to become. A guy with good hand, quick feet and can pass the ball out of the low or high post.
I've been saying Poor Man's Gasol for a while.
Key word: Poor Man’s. Gasol is one of the best in the league, I don’t see Monroe reaching it. Although he could shock the hell out of me and do it, which would then probably make him the best pick ever by Dumars.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i think he will help us next year
he’s not the dude we were hoping for i know but im over my initial disappointment and feel pretty good about the pick now.
why do we always have to draft someone who is a “poor man’s ____ _” when will the pistons get the riches?
When they are the worst team in the league
You don’t get riches with the 7 pick, and long contracts.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
or
you don’t go on ridiculous 3-game winning streaks in the last 5 games of the season.
Uh, me, new?
terrico white = smaller deron washington
look how that worked out… we had a chance last night to walk away from this draft with two 7 footers, instead, jod pulls a swift one and drafts a combo guard to help during summer league.
meanwhile
spellcheck was gaining some success in Denver.
to be fair, I guess JoD didn’t want to have to resign him or lower his potential offer to Stuck.
Best Regards,
Rami.
not the case
He asked to be traded to denver, that was confirmed a few months ago.
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
did anyone look at the link I posted?
Watch him in the chicago combine, he’s got an excellent touch. Washington fell out of the league because he had no real skill and couldn’t learn how to play defense or our playbook. White doesn’t seem very smart from his interviews, but at the very least he does show a lot more basketball knowledge and skill
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give you that you can't actually see any skill
but that’s because it’s a draft combine. It’s designed to see how well the players shoot and jump. I’m willing to give him a chance because he already looks like he’s a better athlete with a better shot and wingspan than Stuckey
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i just wont be happy til
we have some big men. i hate the fact that we have a glaring hole at center, yet dont even draft a center. i mean why not draft another big man? i wish i could just slap the shit out of jods chubby cheeks, maybe knock some sense into him or something.
Yeah, I wish we had someone with a C next to their name. Sure, Monroe can play centre, but he’s probably more of a power forward, right?
by garrettelliott on Jun 25, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, no one taken in the 2nd round was going to solve our C problems.
Don’t get me wrong, I still wanted a center in the 2nd round, just that whoever we took was probably going to be a career back-up. Which I still want more than White, but the solution to our center problems came and went with Cousins, unfortunately.
Monroe could very well grow into a center, though. Size shouldn’t be an issue, it’ll just be skill set and who’s at PF.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he'll be fine at Center
I just think we’ll be a smaller team than some. I don’t see this as a huge problem.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Band Aid
We just drafted a 6 10 guy thats going to gain muslce and gurth. We also have FA and im sure there is a plan there. Relax man things will be ok.
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 25, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
im just pissed that we didnt get a banger
i want someone who can man the paint, whoever were playing against.
Yeah, even that Tiny Gallon dude who went 47th to Milwuakee, they compared him to Big Baby. I almost would have rather had that guy because he looked ready to smash some little guys in the paint. But it is what it is, and I’m looking forward to seeing what our picks can do.
by garrettelliott on Jun 25, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got some great puns involving their names.
For example:
Big Baby sweats a Tiny Gallon during every game.
You’ll need a Tiny Gallon of milk to feed that Big Baby.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Baby cried a Tiny Gallong when Tiny Gallon made him his Big Baby.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Also, The Palace Lockerroom Store is the most ghetto website ever.
Fits Detroit perfectly.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
well
at least it costs $69, so its worth the laugh?
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Roddy White?
Worst Joe D pick. Why did you buy that one? Monroe will be one of his best picsk for sure!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 25, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Bought mi hermano a Stackhouse swingman from right when Detroit re-designed the jerseys
He was traded soon after.
"For fam like the Partridges, pardon him for the mix up
battle for your Atari cartridges or put your kicks up, it’s a stick up"
I bought a Stackhouse jersey during game 5 of the 2002 NBA ECSF.
That sucked soooooooooo much.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point it doesnt matter.
If you like Monroe or you dont like Monroe, hes a piston. Its not like there is a dominant center in the division really. This gives im to grow and get stronger and learn from Big Ben. Cant wait to watch the pistons retyrn to the playoffs. GO PISTONS!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions
Why be down?
We had so many injuries last year and we just added a great player in Monroe. Things will be much better this season. Cant wait.
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 25, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
im serious dude
im going to write a book called “how i learned to stop worrying and love Greg Monroe”
Im not sure Cousins is that much better.
he may end up better, who knows. all I know is Monroe isnt that bad.
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 25, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Monroe is a good player
but be honest, Cousins is a superior player right now. In the NBA that could change due to his conditioning problems, but at this moment DeMarcus is the most talented player in the draft
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad Conditioning will be his downfall.
Remember Stanley Roberts? Could we being seeing the next version?
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 25, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
not a good comparison
He wasn’t the best player in the draft, he just was an overweight good player
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
no it's not
skill is what makes Cousins a top player, not just size. Roberts was drafted 23rd overall for a reason
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not saying Cousins is the next Roberts.
Just saying if he keeps gaining weight he could very well be a bad pick.
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 25, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Kuster knows too much
about JoD’s juices:
"No question about it," Kuester said. "Joe’s juices are flowing right now. He’s ready to go."
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2010/06/drafting_georgetowns_greg_monr.html
not too relevant, but funny nonetheless.
Best Regards,
Rami.
well someone's been stroking it hard
nice and long baby
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian Scalebrine
can’t jump over 2 snails having sex doggy style, but he can certainly jump over just one bent over
by bearded thundar on Jun 26, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, said we had the best draft.
Seems like everyone likes our draft but us?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
after getting over the shock of drafting White
I’ve really come to like our draft. I have been watching some footage of Monroe and am getting more impressed with every video. The guy is far more skilled than his stats would indicate (which is why I never use only statistics to paint a picture) and I think I may have been wrong with my initial assessment. The guy looks like he can be a solid 16+ ppg scorer, if not 18+ with the right team around him
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe CV can show him how to do some of his weird post moves. That’s the least he could do after last season.
Practice safe sex. Go fuck yourself !
Monroe has a nice lefty hook already
The problem is his footwork is very raw. But it is much easier to improve footwork than it is to genetically modify one’s hands
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, complete and utter quote failure.
“Cheer for your team, Detroit.” was the quote.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jun 25, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck Yeah dudes
Optimism FTW
"For fam like the Partridges, pardon him for the mix up
battle for your Atari cartridges or put your kicks up, it’s a stick up"
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