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Reasons To Get Drunk and Surly Tonight

This one's for Terrico White.  Everybody pop a Strohs and let's get surly!

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Predictably, the Timberwolves are reaching out to Rudy Gay, thus fulfilling the prophecy that they get stuck with the Calvin Booth memorial worst contract of the off-season.  Wolves GM David Kahn  had this to say:

We have a decent little story to tell. It's one that's building as opposed to one that's already there...

Yeah, this guy knows how to talk to basketball players.  Come take part in our decent little story, Rudy Gay.  

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Star-divide

Am I the only one who does not give a damn about Worldwide Wes? It is sufficient for me to know that star players have an entourage, and that this entourage often includes movers and shakers.  I do not need to know the particulars, thanks. 

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Yesterday, I postulated about the impact of a Bosh-Bron signing in Chicago.  But would that be the best way for LeBron to win a ring next year? My analysis says no, giving a slight edge to Dallas, who would project to 61 wins by adding James without giving up key assets, unless they give up Butler, in which case the projection goes to about 63 wins.  Perhaps that is why the team has emerged as a dark horse in the sweepstakes. 

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The Houston Rockets are employing a fan caravan to woo free agents.  That sound only slightly better than Kahn's request to join his little story.  Seriously, how annoyed would you be if a bus full of Texans showed up at your door?


Daryl Morey should stick to spreadsheets.

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When reporters talk about sources close to the situation w/r/t Rockets signings, is it possible they will be talking about the fans on a bus? I mean, they will be close, in proximity to the events.  Do they count?

Kobe to the Knicks? Could happen.

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Headline from the Detroit News: Red Wings, Pistons are mum on report of prospective buyer.

Whenever teams are described as "mum" about something, that's usually a good sign that it's going to happen.  I trust "mum" more than I trust sources close to the situation.

That said, if this sale could go down, it would probably be the best possible situation for the Pistons.  Ilitch has demonstrated a willingness to spend money, not just on sports, but on business in general.  His aggressive expansion into lower middle-class neighborhoods with his pizza chain was well timed and brilliant.  He understands that you need to spend money to make money.  You could do far worse

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Maybe Worldwide Wes is the source close to the situation. That would make sense.  Reporters dump free publicity on the guy for no real reason, in exchange for getting fake scoops on free agency.

Sources close to my situation tell me it's time to go for a jog. 

Post lots of funny pictures in the comments.

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At least Rudy Gay is young

Whatever team is dumb enough to give Joe Johnson as max contract will be stuck with the worst deal.

"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch

by Thom_not_Tom on Jun 29, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

The Knicks.

don’t they always throw away money?

by Fadel on Jun 29, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

they did

when #11 was running the show. Walsh seems a bit more, how do you say, a shady cheap fuck?

Best Regards,
Rami.

by FunkyDonut on Jun 29, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

For some reason i feel like Joe Johnson’s and Elton Brand’s max contracts should play together.

by Roll The Dyess on Jun 29, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Kahn's story

Once upon a time, there was a terrible GM. He ran the Minnesota Timberwolves. The end.

My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters

by ReichardZ on Jun 29, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

...He was so bad that everyone died

The end.

"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch

by Thom_not_Tom on Jun 29, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Am I the only one who does not give a damn about Worldwide Wes?

If the world consisted of you and me this would be true. I think he’s interesting, because he’s bigger than Lebron(maybe), but definitely anyone else on the market right now. He reminds me of Nicolas Cage in Lord of War or George Clooney in Michael Clayton. You have to admit what he does sounds like a sweet ass life.

by Roll The Dyess on Jun 29, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

But the Zombie Sonics play in OKC?

I’m confused.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 29, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

slightly off topic

Karen Davidson’s daughter was on Jimmy Kimmel live last night, and I must say that she is quite hot. However, when Kimmel brought up the Pistons, she didn’t seem to have a clue about what was going on and said that her mother never talked about them at home. I feel even more bad for Bill, wasn’t the whole point of not selling the Pistons to give them to someone in the family that would cherish them? You’d think that someone that at least gave half a damn would occasionally bring them up with their family.

by bearded thundar on Jun 29, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Yikes. You’d think she’d at least be a fan or something. Ah well. Hopefully KD can find a buyer who will appreciate and treat the franchise right. And KD’s daughter is pretty hot.

by garrettelliott on Jun 29, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

daughter said she was a fan

but didn’t know anything about the team. The only thing she talked about that was actually relevant was that she got a photo with Bill Laimbeer before her mother remarried.

by bearded thundar on Jun 29, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

Why feel bad for Mr. D? He doesn’t know any better.

If they gave him the illusion that the team would stay in the family, for his sake, then they probably did the best thing for him. He probably died in peace rather than wondering what would happen to the Pistons.

Why do I care if Mr. D’s stepdaughter, who has no decision making power for the franchise, cares or watches the Pistons?

A hint: I don’t, and neither should you.

by Big Z in Orlando on Jun 30, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Problem

Mr. D wasn’t able to have biological children. All of his kids were adopted. The rest I think, probably is a logical conclusion-wait until the old man dies, and divvy up his estate. How many lawsuits are there right now involving Mr. D’s estate?

Papa V knew Mr. D 40 years, loved the man, from what I gathered, wasn’t too crazy about the rest of the family. As you can see, it’s a bunch of non-blood relatives lining up trying to get theirs, nothing more.

by V. on Jul 2, 2010 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

funny pictures - sorta on topic

here’s one:

I always laugh when I hear about the “Free Agent Economy.” The fact that we have a choice of working for McD’s or Burger King does not make us “free agents.”

just EPINION

by real Rob G on Jun 29, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Chapter One:

Clearing away your resume’s overpaid combo guards.

by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 29, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mainly lurk and am probably not getting the inside joke, but...

where’s the reason to get drunk? I don’t need a reason of course, but I’d like something to blame or use as an excuse to get drunk on a weeknight.

In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both

by JazzyBBP on Jun 29, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

inside joke for the most part

It used to be common practice at the old site to have pieces titled “reasons to get drunk and surely” followed by “- as if Mike Payne needs a reason.”

I guess it’s just a fun way for everyone to unwind at the end of the day

by bearded thundar on Jun 29, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or...

…at the beginning of the day.

Just sayin’…

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burmahunkalove.livejournal.com (occasional signs of life)

by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 29, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

it started

when the Pistons started sucking. Then, we started drinking. And surly-ing.

just EPINION

by real Rob G on Jun 29, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Drunk and surly predictions

Miami – Wade, Lebron, Bosh
New York – Johnson, Stoudamire, Farmar
Chicago – Boozer, Allen, Shaq
New Jersey – Lee, Felton, Kleiza
Sacramento – Gay
Minnesota – Salmons
Clippers – Howard
Dallas – Dirk
Boston – Pierce

by Roll The Dyess on Jun 29, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

New Jersey's is the funniest

That’s just such a random collection of players. We got an underappreciated power forward, a failed point guard, and a Lithuanian guy. That’s one bad company.

by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 29, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Yeah, i’m sayin Nets will lose out on the big guys, but I don’t think they’ll do anything stupid either. They really need to find their pg of the future and their thinking would be let Felton and Harris battle it out and keep the winner. Unless you believe in the 2 QBs = no Qbs thinking, but that’s football.

Kleiza is no slouch, and he’s got the euro connection. MRMC has said he wants the Nets to be a “Global” franchise.

by Roll The Dyess on Jun 29, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's good thinking

Could you imagine Lee and Lopez playing together? That’d be badass, easily one of the best front courts in the league.

by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 29, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kleiza's agent told Denver that he's not coming back to the NBA this year

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 29, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Detoit Will Sign:

Ronny Brewer, Richard Jefferson, J.J. Redick, Mike Miller, Randy Foye, and (maybe) Tracy McGrady.

If necessary for salary reasons, the Pistons will trade or waive Big Ben, Monroe, Stuckey, and Bynum.

My blogs: pakagankarachi.livejournal.com (dormant)
burmahunkalove.livejournal.com (occasional signs of life)

by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 29, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

will mcgrady

start at center?

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 29, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks to his length and versatility, that’s a real possibility.

by brgulker on Jun 30, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Has anybody seen the superstar free agency table?

Good God, how far down we have fallen.

Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?

by Kriz on Jun 29, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

she's a chick...no one understands her.

wait…she is a chick right? Is she single?

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 29, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

On espn

They had a table with the top contenders to land the superstar crop of free agents. Then they had little disks with the names of said free agents and the “experts” moved the disks with a stick each guy had while making their argument why those free agents were going where they were going.

Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?

by Kriz on Jun 29, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I saw that on one of our floating TVs while I was walking back from a meeting.

It looked fun…at first I thought they were playing Wheel of Fortune.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 29, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoah

Microsoft has floating TVs???

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by Mike Payne on Jun 29, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay you got me...I made that one up to see if anyone was paying attention.

Well played sir.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 29, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

MFTB

Your words are unceasing poetry. I read them with honor and passion. May there be many floating TVs in your future, my friend.

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by Mike Payne on Jun 29, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, Boourns

$150 for Kinect?

HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT!?!?!?!

by brgulker on Jun 30, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a bed stuffed with $100 bills?

How do you sleep?

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 30, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zing!

Not on my $100 bills, at least. What a rip off.

by brgulker on Jun 30, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually didn't know what the full retail price was

the last I had heard was that they were still deciding despite GameStop putting out pre-orders.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 30, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The roomers around the webz all point to $150. Sounds like Bill Gates to me.

by brgulker on Jun 30, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill Gates is actually controlled by an extremely high theten level.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 30, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all seriousness, if $150 is the price point, what are your honest thoughts about that?

by brgulker on Jun 30, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That a small % of the existing userbase will buy it anyways

What that % is and how small it is though is another question entirely…

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 30, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

all it takes

is one really sweet game that uses this and people will be all over it. I don’t think the price matters much when you can overhype it to little kids and they get mommy to become the deranged shopper for her kid at Walmart.

Best Regards,
Rami.

by FunkyDonut on Jun 30, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet you're right

However, it will take more than one game for me, because I already own a 360 and a Wii. I own the Wii precisely because it does have casual appeal, and my wife and I play together (Gotta love the Nintendo classic franchises as well).

So, because I don’t have a need for a casual device, I’m inclined to not buy it.

by brgulker on Jun 30, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree

But 1 amazing game + the casual experiences in HD + the integration with the LIVE UI? It starts adding up to a slightly more appealing story.

Definitely not saying that core users will buy this for the UI integration alone, but the idea of a voice-activated, facial recognition system that could ultimately queue up your favorite content as soon as you step in front of the camera is a pretty appealing scenario to any tech fans who obviously have a heavy overlap with our core user group.

It will be very interesting to see how all this plays out though.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 30, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in the same boat as you

 I got better things to drop that much $ on.

Best Regards,
Rami.

by FunkyDonut on Jun 30, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reasons to get drunk and surly?

All but one of the Pistons’ summer league games will be on NBATV.

The roster looks finalized with Jared Reiner and Jordan “I own you Cole Aldrich” Egleseder.

by Quick Darshan on Jun 29, 2010 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess Art

was never really an option? Y’all seemed so sprung on him (90’s teen lingo) on him here, I figured there would be some organizational interest. He’s ending up somewhere, isn’t he?

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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 29, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has a team in the Orlando summer league i believe.

can’t remember who though.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 29, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boston

those ungrateful bastards got him

however I dug up this little gem

Apparently Art knew a lot about Detroit already because of the Wings and said he would love to come here. Good thing Dumars decided to not only draft him, but not give him a summer league invite.

by bearded thundar on Jun 29, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice one Doomars

"For fam like the Partridges, pardon him for the mix up
battle for your Atari cartridges or put your kicks up, it’s a stick up"

by Skylar on Jun 29, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

dammit joe

thank god we got that combo guard who can’t shoot, though.

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by Mike Payne on Jun 29, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, I couldn't find any footage

but it’s not like it matters to a number of people here that find stats are the only important thing to look at

by bearded thundar on Jun 29, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

link to my draft day analysis (there are some videos there)

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2010/6/17/1523638/draft-day-dreams-art-parkhouski

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 29, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

From the highlights I've seen...

…he kinda reminds me of Primoz Brezec. Complete with douchey antics.

by Quick Darshan on Jun 30, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not at all

But the funny thing about Primoz…

If he plays like Primoz did prior to his injury in the 2006-2007 series (talking vintage 2004-2006 Primoz), then he’d be a solid big to add to the team.and Art has shown a much greater nose for offensive rebounding than Primoz ever had. He also seems at least a bit more agile inside.

Primoz had two consecutive seasons of:

13.0/7.4 in 31 mpg (.512 shooting)
12.4/5.6 in 27 mpg (.517 shooting)

with 15 double/doubles in 2004-2005. Its not like he played terribly his entire career. I’m not quite sure what happened to him in 2006 but he missed the most games in 3 seasons and only played in 58 and his career went down hill from there.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jul 1, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

those pre-injury Primoz stats look similar to the season injured CV just had last year

by the89oracle on Jul 1, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Y'all was sprung on Art

"For fam like the Partridges, pardon him for the mix up
battle for your Atari cartridges or put your kicks up, it’s a stick up"

by Skylar on Jun 29, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its actually 4 of 5 will be live, and one will be tape delayed but they will all be on...at least thats what it looked like to me.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 29, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't decide whether I should just spring for the broadband and watch at work since most will be live for me while I'm still at work

Can’t wait to see Art in action

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 29, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who were some of the previous winners of the Calvin Booth Award?

I’m pretty sure the pistons got it in 2006 for signing Nazr Mohammed, but who else has excelled in managerial ineptitude?

by tads on Jun 29, 2010 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

When was Larry Hughes signed?

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 29, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nazr has played well on his contract

When he has gotten the minutes. The problem is that he turns the ball over, and coaches can’t stand that. He was outstanding for the Bobcats this year, which goes to show the benefit of having a good coach.

by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 29, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it just me, or...

Is anyone else excited to see who gets screwed by the Free Agent bonanza?

Honestly, that’s more exciting to me than seeing where everyone signs. Who will the big losers be that max out Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson, and Carlos Boozer? At least we won’t be them.

by brgulker on Jun 30, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

True, but at least they have Aminu!

/MFMP’d

by brgulker on Jun 30, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Knicks definitely have the most to lose

What happens if they don’t acquire any of the big names that they’re targeting? Yeah Cleveland is fucked for the obvious reason, but they at least have Jamison and Moe Williams that they could probably trade for pieces…Knicks have traded away all their draft picks, their best player is probably leaving (Lee) and they’ll be left with an Italian who’s nickname is “The Rooster”

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 30, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It will be interesting to watch. I would think if they strike out, they will use their cap space to absorb salary dumps.

by brgulker on Jun 30, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

so does that mean

we finally get to sign LeBron, DWade and Bosh all together for the MLE? Think about it, we have the best core package to offer, and since land in Detroit is so cheap, they could all just buy half the city and share that too

by bearded thundar on Jun 30, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

only NY's

just about everyone else has multiple backup plans

by bearded thundar on Jun 30, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

not necessarily

They may lose LeBron, but they still have a decent core without Shaq. Many people seem to forget that the 72 win Bulls also won 55 games without MJ, so I think there’s reason to believe the Cavs could be at least .500

by bearded thundar on Jun 30, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

goggles

he needs aviator goggles to complete the look

Best Regards,
Rami.

by FunkyDonut on Jul 1, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fuckin' Gortat!

Yeah!

what a ridiculous image

"For fam like the Partridges, pardon him for the mix up
battle for your Atari cartridges or put your kicks up, it’s a stick up"

by Skylar on Jul 1, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

WAYYYYYYYYYY

the fuck rec’d. that shit says Gortat on the hood. Is this performance art? Am I sleeping and dreaming about this right now? Is this real life? Does that car fart cotton candy?

Make that motherfucker a Piston and NOW Joe Dumars. That Willy Wonka Jalopy MFer needs to get in our uniform, STAT. This is some kind of weird magic.

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by Mike Payne on Jul 1, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

still waiting for Doomars to break the news

that we signed LeBron for the MLE. would make my decade.

by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 12:29 AM EDT reply actions  

but we have Prince

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by Mike Payne on Jul 1, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is an expiring though

I say get Lebron as insurance in case Prince doesn’t re-sign.

Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?

by Kriz on Jul 1, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fuck Lebron. This team needs to trade for Andre Miller and stat.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jul 1, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

good point

maybe we could sign Pierce as the first SF off the bench behind Jonas, then spot up minutes for Lebron? I’d hate for Lebron to get in the way of Daye’s development though. That might be a waste of a contract. Maybe we can play Lebron at the 2 behind Gordon if we trade Rip? (sorry Terrico)

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by Mike Payne on Jul 1, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s play him at centre. He’s bigger than Ben.

by Birdman84 on Jul 1, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

that is true

and his big chin can do all the shotblocking we need

by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

San Antonio has already had a good FA year

Richard Jefferson either doesn’t like money or he really wants to sign on a different team as 7th banana or something for the veteran minimum. He just opted out of making $15M in San Antonio. I’d be shocked if he gets that for 3 years elsewhere. He’s not…good.

by joejoejoe on Jul 1, 2010 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

for him, definitely

but if he’s making the move to help san an get another player b4 he resigns w/them, then it’s commendable.

by C$ on Jul 1, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question: Jermaine O'Neal with the MLE

Good signing or bad signing?

Is there a minimum number of years you have to sign an MLE contract? If you could do 2 or 3 years tops, that would be a pretty good coverage at PF/C position for next year…and who knows he’s 31 so maybe Arnie can milk a few big years out of him?

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jul 1, 2010 1:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Jermaine Jackson O'Neal

is not worth the coin, he’s been a non-factor for years.

"For fam like the Partridges, pardon him for the mix up
battle for your Atari cartridges or put your kicks up, it’s a stick up"

by Skylar on Jul 1, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

jermaine oneal is a shell of himself

his herky jerky movements are hard to watch. he cant do anything other than shoot lil jumpers now.

by dandresden on Jul 1, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah we will have to agree to disagree there. he looked pretty washed up last year.

by dandresden on Jul 3, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone know what the hell Bill Ingram is citing? What's his source?

Bill Ingram – 06/30/2010 10:20pm EST-
Anyone surprised to learn the Detroit Pistons are already looking to unload Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon? Shocking . . .

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16647#ixzz0sPDJ9nsB

Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.

by Laughton on Jul 1, 2010 1:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Anyone know what the hell Bill Ingram is citing? What’s his source?

“Butthole, what say you?”

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by Mike Payne on Jul 1, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Butthole say...

Kobe to the Knicks? Could happen.

Butthole is aka “source close to the situation”.

by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 2, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

97.1 says that Joe has contacted Haywood

If we could get him for the MLE, I would call this offseason a success so far. While still with Washington, he put up 10 and 10 with 2 blocks last year (he had less production but also fewer minutes from his career numbers in Dallas).

However if Joe hands him a 5 year deal (which he seems to have fallen in love with), I would call it moot. That would seem to defeat the whole purpose of getting a veteran center as I think we learned first hand about starting a 35 year old front court 2 years ago.

by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

a bit old, and only one really solid year

but if it’s a shorter MLE deal, i won’t argue.

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by Mike Payne on Jul 1, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be surprised if Haywood leaves Dallas. Cuban is willing to overpay him, and Dallas is a good team.

by brgulker on Jul 1, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be shocked if Haywood took an MLE unless it was in Miami or somewhere else he could play with 2 superstars. He could easily get $8-10m per year from Dallas and that’s probably in line with what other centers make. There aren’t that many 7 footers in their prime who can guard Dwight or Bynum and get you 2 blocks a night.

Also these guys aren’t going to take 2-3 year deals with a new CBA coming up next summer. It makes no sense. Especially with role players. They can’t make it up off the court. Every million counts

by MyKurt on Jul 1, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I read once (a while back) that Haywood didn’t like it in Dallas? I guess anyone could learn to like it for the right price, though.

by garrettelliott on Jul 1, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps a sign and trade?

Maybe Dallas has interest in Dirty Hobo’s Nowitzki.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Darko gets 4 years 20 mill

http://detroitnews.com/article/20100701/SPORTS0102/7010456/Ex-Piston-Darko-Milicic-gets-reported-$20-million-from-Timberwolves

and supposedly Jefferson is going to get moved. I wouldn’t mind him as our starting center.

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by FunkyDonut on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

wtf?

Trade Jefferson because of Darko? I know that Kahn is underqualified, but that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard yet.

by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes and no

They wanted to move him in exchange for another high lottery pick to draft another big. They should have just drafted Cousins if they were planning on bringing back Darko and were fully committed to trading Jefferson.

by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Supposedly there was a deal in place that would have given us Jefferson and their 2 later first round picks for Tay’s deal and the #7 but Joe didn’t want to do it. Don’t know how valid it is.

Word is Jefferson and Love don’t get along so they’d rather unload Jefferson and his contract than Love’s cap friendly rookie deal.

They should have taken Cousins but it’s David Kahn. The guy took 2 PGs last year and neither one is Steph Curry or Brandon Jennings. I guess he wanted to play it safe this year, who knows.

by MyKurt on Jul 1, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

has nothing to do with chemistry

It’s that they are terrible as a defensive pairing

by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kahn must have heard someone gave Gooden that ridiculous deal

and decided to guarantee he handed out the worst contract of the offseason. Dude doesn’t leave anything to chance.

by Colin M on Jul 1, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gay got max.

Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?

by Kriz on Jul 1, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

As did JJ

I think neither are worth it.

Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?

by Kriz on Jul 1, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you referring to? Where are these reports from?

I’ve been refreshing ESPN all afternoon. Did I miss it?

by brgulker on Jul 1, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still not as bad as Rashard Lewis. How the second best player on a bad team gets a max contract I will never know.

Well, Gay’s deal might be. Johnson is at least good enough to be the second best player on a good team so that means max money, even if he isn’t technically worth it.

by MyKurt on Jul 1, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like this one from Hammond, though
The Milwaukee Bucks have had one of the best offseasons of any team in the league, and they are close to pulling off another surprising move. The Bucks are on the verge of re-signing guard John Salmons, one of the top shooting guards available in free agency — and thought to be on the move after opting out of his deal last month — to a five-year, $39 million contract. The deal also includes $5 million in potential bonuses, according to a source, and two league sources say the Bucks have a buyout option for the fifth season.

What’s with the five year deals, John?

by brgulker on Jul 1, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Salmons is a pretty average player, too. And I don’t think he can play well without the ball.

by Birdman84 on Jul 1, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is totally inexplicable

WHY? For starters, Salmons is NOT a shooting guard, he’s a Small Forward. They just traded for Maggette and CDR, and Redd should be back next year (who knows if he stays healthy, though) why on earth would they sign Salmons to this ridiculous offer sheet? He wasn’t worth that money when he went into contract-year mode after being traded to the Bucks, and he definitely won’t be worth that much when he’s in his mid-30’s. They were doing great until Gooden, and this. WHAT IS HAMMOND DOING?

"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch

by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 1, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

unorthodox but still better than the Pistons

They have a legit 1 and 5, it really doesn’t matter how orthodox the middle pieces are, if they can play, they will fit in

by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It makes sense

Re-signing Salmons is huge for them. Jennings-Salmons-Delfino-Mbah aMoute-Bogut was the best 5 in the NBA last year. no joke.

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910MIL2.HTM

A Redd-Maggette-Gooden combo off the bench is pretty daunting.

If they can somehow turn Redd’s expiring into Carmelo Anthony they become a big time title contender. Is it possible? Who knows.

by MyKurt on Jul 1, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

PG- Jennings
SG- Salmons/CDR
SF- Maggette/Delfino?
PF- Gooden/Rookie
C- Bogut/Rookie

If any of their rookie PF/C’s pan out, they’re going to have a really solid team, especially if Jennings has a jump in productivity.

by Gabe F-B on Jul 1, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah, forgot about Moute.

A Jennings, Salmons, Delfino, Moute, and Bogut line-up is really good defensively.

by Gabe F-B on Jul 1, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

and

Ilyasova is nothing to sneeze at. Needs to shoot more efficiently, but he had some big games for Mil.

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by Mike Payne on Jul 1, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

they already have Mbah a Moute and Ilyasova as bigs. the bigger question is can they re-sign Ridnour because they need someone to keep peace between Maggette and Redd. I wouldn’t break up that starting 5 though. When you find something that works you should stick with it.

by MyKurt on Jul 1, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If any of their rookie PF/C’s pan out, they’re going to have a really solid team, especially if Jennings has a jump in productivity.

That’s true, I think. They’ll be a playoff competitor. But they’re going to be capped out soon and locked into mediocrity of they’re not careful. Hammond’s done a great job of prepping them to have flexibility after this season … seems like they’re one more move away from spoiling that.

by brgulker on Jul 1, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they’re going to be capped out soon

Redd’s $18M expires next summer.

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by Mike Payne on Jul 1, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

completely agree

It’s their choice. They can either try to use Redd’s contract to try to get an actually good player like Anthony or even swap PGs with New Orleans or they can sit on it, let it expire and be one of those teams that’s always there but never does anything

You have to spend money to win though.

by MyKurt on Jul 1, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the players. They want to lock themselves up now before the new CBA. You can either give them 5 year deals or not sign anyone.

Stern will fix it in the next CBA either by shortening max deals, requiring team options after 3 years or simply only guaranteeing years 1-3.

by MyKurt on Jul 1, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is getting ridiculous

Some of these signings make Rip Hamilton’s contract look good. Seriously, when these teams lose out on the big free agents, Joe D had BETTER shop Rip’s contract, because these GM’s have clearly shown they’re stupid enough take that kind of salary — especially when they’re butthurt from losing out on LeBron, or Wade, or Joe Johnson, or whatever.

"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch

by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 1, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I've said it a million times

we can and should profit from this free agency, plenty of GM’s will have buyers remorse within a matter of months

by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

Then once they have buyers remorse or failed to get anyone, we can either ship out bad contracts for future picks or better players on larger contracts, or best of all pick up above average players on rookie deals to help with financial relief, such as Beasley. Now do I want B-crackhead myself? No, but the point is that guys like him are available, and more will become available as teams continue to hand out historically awful deals

by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think no one is willing to trade for Beaz knees

because it would put Miami in a position to sign Bosh and Lebron to max + retain Dwyane and add their MLE + league minimums…

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jul 1, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

no MLE

it’s an exception, as in exception to the cap rules. You can only use it when you are over the cap, which is why we didn’t have one last year

by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your future is in good hands don't worry

I have decided that saving up all this money has been a great idea. I m going to buy the pistons :)

by Wheaties on Jul 3, 2010 12:48 AM EDT reply actions  

as soon as i win the lottery, I'll chip in as a minority share owner.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jul 3, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

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