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The Point Problem: Jarrett Jack

Jarrett Jack isn't the flashiest Point Guard in the Association. He does make the highlight reel on occasion - just ask My Friend Will Bynum or Charlie V. Generally speaking, Jack simply plays fundamentally-sound basketball. At 26 with five full seasons under his belt, he's the oldest and most experienced of the Point Guards we've examined, but that also means his head is probably bumping up against its proverbial ceiling. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Twenty-six isn't old by any stretch. Jack has just entered the prime of his career, and given that his game (as I observe it anyway) depends about as much on craftiness and smarts as athleticism, it's safe to say Jack will remain a productive point guard for several years to come.

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Overview of Strengths:

I've tried to find a more creative way to say it, but I just can't come up with one. Jarrett Jack is simply a solid player. Although he's certainly capable of bringing the crowd to its feet, most nights he won't blow you away with his athleticism. He's more likely to make SportsCenter's Top Ten by starting rather than finishing an alley-oop. Plus, his numbers don't really jump off the stat sheet, at least if you're not looking closely.

Yet, Jack is a very effective player. He's not a volume scorer, but he scores his points very efficiently. And as we'll see in just a moment, he scores often and efficiently in the two places our team needs point guard scoring -- in the paint and beyond the arc. The numbers we'll look at seem to support what I've observed of his play: he is aware of both his strengths and his limits on the offensive side of the ball, and he plays to his strengths very well. He doesn't seem to force shots when they aren't there, as is evidenced by his superb shooting percentages. His career assists numbers aren't staggering, but he is coming off the best season of his career in that regard, averaging 5 assists in 27 minutes (and a 27.7% assist rate). His 2.6 turnovers per game are respectable -- not great, but certainly not bad.

Finally, he's paid appropriately relative to his production. He is owed $15,000,000 over the next three seasons, or in other words, just under what a full Mid Level Exception contract will look like this summer. He's not a star, but he's a legitimate starting PG whose strengths mesh well with our needs.

Overview of Weaknesses:

The main weakness I see with Jack is this: he's very close to his ceiling if he's not there already. Last year, he posted career bests relative to assists and true shooting percentage, and that's certainly encouraging. However, they weren't dramatic increases, and I'm not sure he's guaranteed to sustain that level of play. What you see is what you get.

Beyond that, there are three other issues (more on all of these below). First, he may not pose a significant upgrade as a distributor. Second, he doesn't get to the free throw line as often as I would hope. Third, he may not be a good fit on the defensive side of the ball.

Jarrett Jack in 2009-2010:

(Jarret Jack's career stats can be found here. His starter vs. reserve for 2009-2010 splits can be found here.)

In Portland, Indiana, and Toronto, Jack was shuffled in and out of the starting lineup. Much like Ben Gordon throughout his career, Jack seems well-equipped for either role. However, in 2009-2010, Jack played some of the best basketball of his career as a starter for the Toronto Raptors. The table below illustrates Jack's effectiveness in 09-10 as a starter vs. a reserve (represented as averages per game).

Jack-table_medium

What is most remarkable is Jack's shooting efficiency, especially as a starter. Jack posted a remarkable .643 TS% as a starter (.599 on the season), a very high number for a PG. Not only is his overall shooting efficiency very good for a PG, he excels at scoring the basketball in the paint and beyond the arc -- something we Pistons fans have been hoping for out of Rodney Stuckey for the past two seasons. Below is his "Hot Spots" chart, taken from NBA.com. Nearly 67% of Jack's shot attempts were taken in the paint or from beyond the arc (37% and 30%, respectively), and as the colors make obvious, he's a very good shooter from both ranges.

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As I mentioned, he assisted at a higher rate in 2009-2010 than he ever has prior. If this improvement is a lasting improvement, then Jack presents an upgrade over Stuckey as a distributor. While that may be possible, it's not a guarantee. The worst case scenario, though, is that Jack is a lateral move in this department.

So in terms of scoring efficiency, Jack is a significant upgrade. In terms of distribution, he may present an upgrade. But beyond that, does he fit with the Pistons? I am going to consider this question through several different questions that have been topics of conversation on DBB throughout this season. I'm sure I'm missing something. Let us know in the comments.

Can he get to and finish at the rim?
Yes, as the shot chart above makes perfectly clear. As we all know, both Stuckey and Bynum get to the rim frequently but struggle to finish consistently. Additionally, attacking the basket has been a problem for the Pistons for several years. I'm not touting Jack as the definitive answer to this problem, but he could help.

Can he get to the free throw line? Unfortunately, Jack doesn't get to the line as frequently as one might expect given how many shots he takes (and makes) near the rim. In fact, he takes fewer free throws per 36 than Stuckey, and I think most of us agree that Stuckey should be shooting more free throws. However, I'm inclined to think that Jack's full 60% shooting vs. Stuckey's 46% shooting at the rim mitigates this quite a bit.

Can he score from the perimeter? Yes, as the shot chart above makes perfectly clear. Of the PGs we've considered, only Collison has a better career average (in one season), but the 41.2% that Jack posted 2009-2010 is better than any other single season posted by these four players. (Sessions shot 3-7 in 17 games as a rookie, however).

Can he get his teammates involved in the offense? As noted above, Jack's career assist numbers are respectable and are very similar to Stuckey's. So on first glance, he doesn't appear to be a sigificant upgrade in that department. However, he did average a career best 6.6 assists per 36 last season, roughly 1.5 assists more than Stuckey, and posted a 27.7% assist rate. That's not quite as good as Collison or Sessions, but it is a significant improvement over Stuckey. Additionally, his usage rate is the lowest of the guards we are considering, indicating that he scores and assists his teammates without wasting possessions.

Can he defend both positions? At a 6'3" 200 lb., Ben Gordon is often physically outmatched against bigger SGs. As a result, we often saw Ben Gordon defending opposing PGs and Rodney Stuckey defending opposing SGs. At 6'3" 202 lbs., Jarrett Jack doesn't appear to be any more suited to the task than Gordon. If you followed the Raptors this season, the disgust expressed by fans and media alike over the often-used Calderon-Jack backcourt will be familiar to you. If not, let me recommend our SBNation friends over at RaptorsHQ. To summarize, that backcourt combination simply didn't work, and one of the reasons was defense. For the stat heads among us, the Counterpart Production data from 82games.com seems to support the notion that Jack shouldn't be defending SGs. So unfortunately, the answer to this question appears to be no. The data also suggests that Jack's not a lock-down defender at PG either.

That said, I think there are two reasons why this shouldn't dissuade us from pursuing a player like Jack. First, I think any perimeter defender looks better when backed up by solid interior defense. Presumably, solid (or at least improved) interior defense is part of our team's future. Second, concern over whether or not a PG can defend opposing SGs should not win out over concern over that PG's over play as a point guard. That type of size and strength should be viewed as a bonus, not a requirement.

Are the Raptors looking to move him? It appears that Toronto is looking to move either Calderon or Jack. Again, I refer you to RaptorsHQ for parts one and two of their analysis of Colangelo's post-season press conference. It would seem that Jack's contract would be much easier to move, but I suspect Bosh's future plans will impact any future moves by the Raptors.

Do the Pistons have anything the Raptors want? My guess is no. Then again, things could change drastically if Bosh leaves. Plus, that doesn't mean we can't speculate wildly. What else are we going to do, watch L.A. vs. Boston?

Conclusion:

(A statistical comparison of Stuckey, Collison, Sessions, and Jack can be found here.)

Thanks to Mike Payne and Bearded Thundar, we all have firm grasps of what Collison and Sessions are capable of and why they make sense for the Pistons. Argubaly, Collison is already the most productive of the group and clearly has the highest ceiling. But, he's probably the most expensive, if he's available at all. Sessions probably has the second-highest ceiling of the bunch, is probably the lowest risk - highest reward option. He may be the best overall fit with the roster, and Minnesota may be a natural trading partner.

Jack is the veteran of the group. He's also low-risk, given his production relative to his contract, but the reward isn't as great. His specialities - scoring efficiently in the paint and from beyond the arc - directly address team needs. But, his defense is a bit of a question, and he's not a pure distributor. Still, as a secondary move after the frontcourt has been rebuilt, Jack would be a player well worth considering.

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Awesome writeup, Ben— solid work! In reading again, I think the only thing I’d mention is Jack’s durability. He’s played 82 games for three seasons straight, and 79 the two years prior. His lack of foul calls may suggest he’s a bit crafty at avoiding contact in the paint (for better or worse). I’d assume this trend will continue.

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by Mike Payne on Jun 4, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks!

I was trying to intimate that here in the first paragraph:

At 26 with five full seasons under his belt,

but you’re right, making it explicit is helpful.

by brgulker on Jun 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhh yeah I missed that

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by Mike Payne on Jun 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Jack over Sessions

I think the man can shoot, drive and distribute. Sessions to me, is more like a Andre Miller, which isn’t bad.

by JC no1 pistons fan on Jun 4, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

A comment on usage rate

Kevin Sawyer had some things to say about usage rate in the previous thread, and I thought about deleting that to avoid confusion but didn’t.

Jack manages to score a respectable amount of points and generate a higher number assists than Stuckey with a lower usage rate — which to me, suggests efficiency.

Admittedly, that’s not the only way to interpret usage. I don’t think mine is the only one here, just the one that made the most sense in this context. Usage rate on its own is rather useless. If my interpretation of it is off in this post, I’d welcome correction.

by brgulker on Jun 4, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Great Post!

I read the back and forth between you and Kevin regarding usage rate. I don’t think you two actually disagree. It seems like you’re saying if player A can post the same stats as player B with a lower usage rate, then player A is more efficient. I think this is true.

I think what Kevin is saying is the higher the usage rate for a given player, the lower the efficiency. I think, in general, this is also true. Players with high usage rates are likely to see their efficiency go up with a decrease in usage rate, and vice versa. There are exceptions, I’m sure.

So, if you say Jack is more efficient than Stuckey because he has the same stats with a lower usage rate, I’d say that’s true. If Kevin says that if Jack had Stuckey’s usage rate, he’d be less efficient (than he is now), I’d say that’s true too.

by waulie on Jun 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

That’s an interesting conversation. I wonder if anyone’s ever studied that.

by brgulker on Jun 4, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

If Jack tried to do more with the ball, we could predict that what he did with it would be less productive.

That said, Jack shot the ball better, and turned the ball over less frequently, than at any point in his career. There is some possibility that he is turning the corner late in his career, and his profile suggest that it is possible. If that is the case, then it’s possible he could take on a greater role in the offense.

I think it’s at least equally likely that Stuckey makes a comparable jump at a similar age, especially if he has a low-post scoring presence, which would make him a much better player. Jack was end of rotation material for the first several years of his career.

by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 5, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other news...

Donuts Monteczuma pulled out of the draft.

by Quick Darshan on Jun 4, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

See? Good things do happen to good people.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 5, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great job, Ben

Being in ATL, and friends with a lot of GT alumni, Jack and Bynum are all the rave. Bynum is actually favored – and that might be because he hit that game winning bucket in the Final Four.

Personally, I’d say no to a Jack trade unless we can somehow get them to S&T Bosh, too.

HAVING SAID THAT, it’d be kind of funny to hear Blaha say, “Jarrett Jack off glass,” more often.

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by Packey on Jun 4, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

rec'd for

jack off glass :)

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by Mike Payne on Jun 4, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice piece

I think you did a very solid job on just about every aspect. You did a good job of presenting both sides while remaining neutral in your writing, something I had trouble with because I got so excited when doing the Collison report.

Jack seems to be a very smart player if he only shots around the rim or behind the arc, long 2s are just about the worst shot in the game (and wouldn’t ya know it, our team is built around players that focus on them). Stuckey still has the considerably higher ceiling, but I’m not sure if he’ll ever get close to it with the way his progression has gone.

If you could get Jack on the cheap, I’d do it, but I don’t know how to make a trade work off the top of my head. Looking at our contracts, only CV and Maxiell have similar contracts, and I wouldn’t really consider trading Jason. Maxy seemed to have found his groove again, and when he’s on he’s a force in the paint, something we can’t afford to trade away for another guard. CV I’d consider, but I would prefer to see him play a solid 60 (consecutive) uninjured games first. Dr. Vill could potentially be one of the best assets on the team if can maintain the form he showed before the foot problems, where he dominated the paint with his unstoppable, if not bizarre, post moves.

by bearded thundar on Jun 4, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure there's a trade scenario that works either

I’m waiting for Roll the Dyess to clue us in on a six-team deal that nets us LeBron, Wade, Jack, and Bosh ;)

/allingoodfun

by brgulker on Jun 4, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Lebron signing with the Clippers
Jizz

Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.

by Laughton on Jun 4, 2010 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

It would seem that Jack’s contract would be much easier to move, but I suspect Bosh’s future plans will impact any future moves by the Raptors.

I think this is a big factor in Jack’s availability. They came into Georgia Tech at the same time and seem to be pals.

by Shinons on Jun 4, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

On the subject of personnel...

I our bigger concern is finding our “Next Ben Wallace” rather than someone who might be an upgrade over Stuckey, and thought this was interesting:

Player A: 9.4 ppg (15.0 per 36 minutes), 6.2 rpg (9.9 per 36), 1.2 spg and 1.6 bpg (1.9 and 2.5 per 36), 16.8 PER, .511 TS%, 5.5 Blk%.
Player B: 5.5 ppg (6.9 per 36 minutes), 8.7 rpg (10.9 per 36), 1.2 spg and 1.2 bpg (1.6 and 1.5 per 36), 15.8 PER, .526 TS%, 3.6 Blk%.

Player A is Tyrus Thomas and Player B is Ben this year. I’m big on buy low guys, guys who are flying under the radars. He’s kind of a knucklehead and not a very good decision maker at times, shoots way too many jumpers when he’s terrible at them, but he might be one of those guys who’d flourish in the right system. Being able to focus on D, bebounds, and operating close to the basket (where he’s absolutely fantastic – finishes very well, draws a lot of fouls, and is solid from the line) could lead to a break-out. Or he might actually just not be very good. Either way, thinking about this killed some time at work for me today.

by Shinons on Jun 4, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

i

cosign

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by Mike Payne on Jun 4, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel like he needs a coach like larry brown to succeed and i dunno if kuester can be that coach

by don'tworryaboutit on Jun 4, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm sure this is what you were alluding to

but he was just playing for Larry Brown. He certainly didn’t improve under Brown by any noticeable measure. I think he’s going to be a mixed bag wherever he goes, but if he can be had for less than the MLE, he’s a damn Piston any way you slice it. Nasty, chip-on-his-shoulder, defense-minded, under-performer who could use a fresh, long-term contract on a team that will tell him to fuck shit up on the court, don’t dance around the fact you want to hurt people.

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by Mike Payne on Jun 4, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I our bigger concern is finding our "Next Ben Wallace" rather than someone who might be an upgrade over Stuckey, and thought this was interesting:

Ditto

by brgulker on Jun 5, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome summary, Ben! Thanks!

I’ve really enjoyed Jarrett Jack’s play all season. One thing that isn’t mentioned in the article is that he was pretty much the only Raptor to actually show some fire and get mad when opposing players were mugging it up on the entire Raptors team (like this). He was actually trying to stick up for Bosh, which none of his other sissy team mates were willing to do. So he has toughness and grit.

Also, he looks like Cuba Gooding, Jr.

by garrettelliott on Jun 4, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn’t notice Jack involved in that link (I saw him, but watched twice in case I missed him getting involved)— did I miss something?

I’m with you, just curious on the link.

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by Mike Payne on Jun 4, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, nobody was involved in that one really. That one was kind of the straw that broke the camel’s back last year, though. All season long guys were punking Bosh and other players and nobody did anything, so when Pierce crushed his manhood and nobody did anything (although Jack responded a few plays after if I remember correctly) the media went off. From then on Jack was in the mix pretty much all the time.

by garrettelliott on Jun 5, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Personally

I love the “fuck y’all, I’m tying my fuckin’ shoe” clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0su_Huk6p-o

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by Mike Payne on Jun 4, 2010 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That was pretty awesome

Equally funny: Bulls players acting completely confused and running around trying to figure out what was about to happen. Uhh dude’s just tying his shoes, how about some ball pressure?

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by Packey on Jun 5, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow.

I was pretty indifferent about this guy until I saw that video. That shit-eating grin was hilarious. I am forever enamored of Mr. Jarret Jack.

by TDP on Jun 5, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

question

since Jarrett Jack has been playing for Toronto, which is in fact in Canada, can we refer to him as…

Garrett Jack if he is traded to Detroit?

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by Mike Payne on Jun 4, 2010 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Interesting Fact:

If we acquired Jack, we’d have four players on our roster who played in the ‘04 NCAA Championship game (Gordon, Villanueva, Bynum, and Jack). Plus, we’d be reuniting Georgia Tech’s backcourt from that season!

Great job, brgulker. It’s really nice to see community members step it up with fanposts like this. I’ve always liked Jarrett Jack, and I think he’d make a great addition to any team. But, man, I am deeply saddened to hear Donuts is dropping out of the draft.

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by Thom_not_Tom on Jun 5, 2010 3:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Jack's a much better shooter

He’s not necessarily the better overall player, but he would fit our need more than Lowry right now.

We dearly need 3 point shooting to stretch the floor for both Stuckey and to open the paint up for CV. Charlie did show a willingness to go down to the post before the foot problems, I think that with more breathing room he would be inclined to do so again.

by bearded thundar on Jun 5, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lowry hasn’t shown to present an upgrade over Rodney Stuckey, hence his exclusion from the second part of this series. This season, Jack outperformed Lowry entirely across the board.

I see why people like Lowry, but his poor shooting scares me. Why not just extend Bynum? They’re really quite similar.

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by Mike Payne on Jun 5, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think...

…Lowry and Jack are better then Bynum…I like Bynum but he isnt a great shooter and his defense is average at best…Im sure we will probably just extend him but id rather see one of the other 2 over Bynum.

by BennieBladesFan on Jun 5, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bynum’s defense was stifling before his injury. He’ll likely be back in shape this season— essentially, when healthy, he’ll get you the same defense as Lowry, even better.

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by Mike Payne on Jun 5, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah and even with the games post-injury watering down his defensive rating

He still improved it year over year (113 this past season to 109 the year before). His defensive rating was actually higher than Lowry’s too despite Houston being a much better team defensively than Detroit.

Although to be fair, I have no idea what goes into the calculation of defensive rating but if it s the barometer of choice than even with the injuries, Bynum was the overall better defender between the two guards.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 5, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

the lower the defensive rating, the better. see ben wallace between 2001 and 2004:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wallabe01.html

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by Mike Payne on Jun 5, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

well that just don't make no sense!

Obviously I’m not a golfer.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 5, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure it does, the rating means how many points per 100 possessions

by bearded thundar on Jun 5, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you come all up in here with your logic and reasoning

I won’t stand for it, nor will I sit for it.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 7, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you can always hover, that’s generally what I do

by bearded thundar on Jun 7, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

REC'D

Practice safe sex. Go fuck yourself !

by DetBalla on Jun 9, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice write-up

I’ve always liked Jack, he has a good combination of size and outside shooting ability. The real question is what it would take to get him.

by motown313 on Jun 5, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

He looks a lot like Chaunce. Similar in stature.

by TDP on Jun 5, 2010 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking as a Raps fan

I would expect Jack will be extremely difficult to pry from Toronto. If he is not I think alot of fans would be, well, pissed if the organization moved him.

His contract is solid. He works extremely hard. He is a very efficient shooter and a solid passer (one of the reasons his assist numbers are relatively low is even when he was starting he would often give the ball up to Hedo. If the Raps used the Jose-Jack combo… which was retarded by the way……, Jose played point. If Jack was to play a more ‘true PG’ position I would expect him to be around 8+ assists a game). He has extremely good court vision, and really likes to push the ball. He is also a pretty collected guy in pressure situations.

As for defense, well I find it tough to value anyones D on the Raps as there were always 3+ crappy defenders on the floor at any given time. Really how good can a PG look on D when everyone else out there with you blows.

Biggest knock on Jack is sometimes he tries to do too much and ends up a bit out of control. Sometimes it means he gets to the rim, other times it leads to a turnover.

Regardless I wouldn’t expect to see him on any team outside of Toronto until his contract is over.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 6, 2010 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

i need to hear what khandor has to say about jack. he must be the most knowledgeable of all raps fans right?

by dandresden on Jun 6, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for chipping into the conversation

Good to hear from a Raps perspective on this one!

by brgulker on Jun 10, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh shit

did that d-bag go international?

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 7, 2010 7:26 AM EDT reply actions  

You can keep him; we don’t want him!

by garrettelliott on Jun 7, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think khandor is a raptors fan and canadian. his blog was always full of stuff about the raps and the first time he commented here was when we were talking about amir getting traded to the raps i think.

by dandresden on Jun 7, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, I see. We’re not all like him, I promise. We’re mostly like these guys:

by garrettelliott on Jun 7, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just got around to reading this...

first off I"d like to say great write up. DBB has some of the best fan content.

Second, I like Jack alot, but second to Sessions. I feel like Sessions will be a better fit for this team overall especially with a player like Ben Gordon beside him.

But Sessions and Jack really aren’t that different. But as a point guard, I feel like Sessions is more “pure”—if that makes any sense. I feel that he’s got a better mind for distribution and shot selection. Bot are things that Jack presents in his play, but Sessions is better at it in my mind.

by madpoopz on Jun 7, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

The measurement I use to determine point guard purity is assists to field goals attempted. As career starters, Jack scores .52 on a point purity rating and Sessions scores .69. That means that Jack passes roughly half as often as he shoots, and Sessions passes just over 2 of every 3 shots. Thing is, Jack has a nice outside shot, so it doesn’t mean he’s a worse point guard, just less “pure” of a distributor. Since Collison was also included in this trio, his point guard purity rating is .60.

For reference, the most pure starting point guard this season was Jason Kidd, recording a point purity rating of 1.08 (over 1 means he passes more than he shoots). Second was Steve Nash at .9 and third was Rajon Rondo at .875. Note that Kidd started out his career with similar numbers to Rondo. Additionally, Kidd likes to punch women.

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by Mike Payne on Jun 7, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

Rodney Stuckey may have been the least pure point guard in the league last season, with a point purity rating of .32 (Aaron Brooks was just above him at .33).

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by Mike Payne on Jun 7, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think that number would have gone up

had he actually had consistent scoring from his SG, SF, PF, or C positions? I feel like it might have just a bit.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 8, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

definitely, he was forced to become the center of the offense a lot of times due to the injuries

by bearded thundar on Jun 8, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely. But when you’re starting in the absolute basement in the league at your position (in terms of point purity), you can’t expect much of a bump.

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by Mike Payne on Jun 8, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to go out on a limb and say

Stuckey’s MFMPPPPI (for those of you new to DBB that stands for Maliciously Fertile Mike Payne’s Pure Point Performance Indicator) will go from worst to first! ya heard it here first folks! BOOK IT [/langlois’d]

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 8, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maliciously Fertile Mike Payne

SOMEBODY GONNA GET PREGNANT.

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by Mike Payne on Jun 8, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn't Roman mythology just the greatest?

I believe the endearment “maliciously fertile” was already claimed by Zeus a thousand years ago.

by bearded thundar on Jun 8, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by bearded thundar on Jun 8, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

my dog

is actually named zeus. one of my dogs anyway. he stares at walls and eats his own poop, so hopefully I’m not as “maliciously fertile” as that zeus…

Uh, me, new?

by Mike Payne on Jun 8, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can't see it

but I’m slapping my belly … LADIES! MY MERCEDES!

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by Packey on Jun 9, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beating a dead horse, but

passes don’t count as assists unless someone makes a basket. It’s too bad no one tracks “attempted assists”. Probably the best measure of a pure point would be attempted assists to field goal attempts. As we’ve discussed in depth, many point guards would have had a hard time racking up assists with the Pistons last year.

by waulie on Jun 8, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like a purer distributor for this Pistons team...

Guys like CV and Gordon will benefit.

and thanks for the numbers. I’m not much of a stat guy, more of a gut feeling supplemented with visual aids guy. I do seeing the numbers at work though because as long as they’re read right, they do not lie.

by madpoopz on Jun 8, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe I forgot this!

How about Patty Mills? We could get him for cheap from Portland and it would really be a no risk gamble. As much as he has his deficiencies, the guy is an important cog of the Boomers and can handle big pressure moments.

/truthiness’d

Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.

by Laughton on Jun 10, 2010 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Much respect...

for this series of PG articles. We do need a pur PG on this team, and I like some of the options presented here. I am actually in favor of trading Stuckey for a young big and grabbing a player like one of these guys mentioned. Stuckey will never be a true PG, and he will never be a high FG% guy, nor will he ever be a consistent deep threat. I think he is a good player who does some things well (get into the lane/basket, decent defender/size/rebounder), but not enough to offset his weaknesses for the position he plays. Why we had to rush him along, when he would have been a great 6th man with C-Bill is beyond me. Still hurts.

by The Rake on Jun 13, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

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