Official Free Agent Landing Zone.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 3:12 PM EDT
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Rather than have several topics about each free agent signing, how about one universal one? At least, for the lesser free agents. LeBron, Bosh, Wade, Amar'e, Dirk can have their own.
Feel free to post new info and give your opinion on any signings.
I'll try to keep this updated:
Drew Gooden, Milwaukee Bucks (5 years, $32 million)
Rudy Gay, Memphis Grizzlies (5 years, $82 million)
John Salmons, Milwaukee Bucks (5 years, $39 million)
Darko Milicic, Minnesota Timberwolves (4 years, $20 million)
Amir Johnson, Toronto Raptors (5 years, $34 million)
Channing Frye, Phoenix Suns (5 years, $30 million)
Hakim Warrick, Phoenix Suns (4 years, $18 million)
Steve Blake, Los Angeles Lakers (4 years, $16 million)
Dirk Nowtizki, Dallas Mavericks (4 years, $80 million)
Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics (4 years, $61 million)
Joe Johnson, Atlanta Hawks (6 years, $119 million)
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Three of the four contracts outlined above...
…are worse than the Gordon and Villanueva deals.
Doomars > Hammond?
Hammond just skipped right over the championship phase.
And went right into the “spend a lot of money on guys who don’t play defense” phase.
The student has become the master.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Although I do like Salmons deal.
Guy probably could have suckered someone into 5/50, and the last year is a team option. Although he does have a potential $5 million bonus coming. But of all the players they got, Salmons is probably the best contract and best player.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure how the Gooden deal is worse than the Charlie V deal? Or if that’s the comparison you’re drawing?
The Gay and Darko deals are god awful. Salmons, not so sure about. Gooden might be a little too long, but dollar per year seems about right (maybe a little high).
In terms of V vs. G.
Both have similar career TS% and PER.
Gooden is the stronger rebounder and slightly better defender.
Villanueva has the age advantage.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Stalemate.
Chunky Charlie and Duck-Tail Gooden are mediocre players with bad contracts. Doomars = Hammond.
Both have the "flashes" thing going for him.
Gooden put up some nice numbers in San Antonio and LAC, and some underwhelming stops in Chicago, Cleveland, and Dallas.
I think the big difference is that Charlie is young enough and smart enough (at least, smarter than Gooden) to MAAAAAAAAYBE improve his game? Gooden is very much what you see is what you get, whereas Villanueva still has that potential to improve.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Great idea, TJL
I’m curious to see what happens with Childress. Surely, the Hawks won’t match an offer sheet at this point, would they?
I’m also curious what happens with Mike Miller.
Woj joked that if wings keep getting this type of money
Childress is going to return on a 5/40 contract.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So he has to pay the Spurs $15.2 million?
Awesome. I approve.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Good call on this thread.
The Wolves also signed a three-year, $13 million deal with Nikola Pekovic.
Kahn is a space-leperchaun genius
Meaning, due to the laws of adjectives, his genius does not exist.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 1, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a better option for the MLE? I wouldn’t want him on a five-year deal, but 3 years at full MLE seems pretty reasonable.
yeah maybe i dunno
i guess three years is cool but if joe wastes money on locking some mediocre dude like haywood in the long term it would just be another disaster.
2-3 years is necessary
We don’t have any legit centers right now beyond Ben, and there’s no guarantee he returns. We have to get Haywood or a good with his size for at least a year or two just to hold us over
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think there are better options
Dude put up about 10 and 10 with Washington last year and added 2 blocks. He’s only 30 so I think 3 years would be fine.
He really is a big, defensive, rebounding center. Isn’t that what we all wanted? Mediocre is basically the definition of the MLE. It is the average salary of the league.
You know what else is great? He has shot exactly 2 three pointers in his entire career. And, Haywood > Gooden.
I agree people tend to overvalue the MLE here
Guys this year the MLE is essentially worthless when you take into consideration the albatross deals being handed left and right to guys like Joe Johnson of all people. Haywood for 2 guaranteed years with a team option would be great for us
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Haywood Player Type Makes Sense to Me
He’s a big, defensive-minded big who doesn’t need the ball to be effective, because scoring isn’t necessarily what he contributes. We’ve got guys who can score. We need guys who can board, defend the interior, etc. He’s the player type I’d really want to put next to Monroe/CV.
How much do you think Haywood will sign for?
I think Udonis Haslem for the MLE would be a solid FA signing for Detroit. My guess is Haywood is too pricey and will get a bite for more than the MLE.
I like Haslem but he's not big enough to play center for us.
How many PFs do we need?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
he can play center
He’s done so in the past. Not the best option, but certainly better than playing Monroe 40 minutes a game there if Big Ben doesn’t return/gets injured
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
My complete guess is that Cuban will overpay to keep him, based on Cuban’s history. They’ve got Damp as a big expiring contract, which will almost surely be traded. If they lose Haywood, what do they do at C? I don’t think the MLE will be enough, unless it’s a full 5 years, in which case, I hope Jod wants no part of it.
I wouldn't mind trading for Damp
If they chose to get rid of Butler for a sign and trade, we can ship them Rip for Dampier.
No one cares for expiring deals right now as next year’s free agency basically only has Marc Gasol (whom we will steal from Memphis), so that’s probably the best Dallas could hope to do with his contract (at this moment, if they hold onto him for the trade deadline story changes).
So basically we get an overpaid defensive center for one year, and then we have a ton of cap space to play with and a lot more future flexibility. Either we can let both him and Prince come off the books and resign them to cheaper deals, enough such that we can still target Marc or we can only target Gasol and then sit on the money in case of salary dumps due to this year’s free agency.
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Boo-urns
I want a damn center, not another mediocre passing point guard. If Larry Brown of all people couldn’t turn him into a true point guard, then I don’t know who the hell can
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck
Raymond Felton
witty signature
by Mike Payne on Jul 1, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No see you guys are reading it wrong.
Felton is talking to the Pistons. Doesn’t mean we’re talking back.
He’s just standing outside the Palace yelling “PLEEEEEEEEASE! PLEASE GIVE ME THE MLE! I HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO!”
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
From the sound of it...
Dumars thinks we’ve found our C in Monroe. Hard to tell if it’s just PR or the honest truth, but judging by everything that’s come out post-draft indicates that the Pistons believe Monroe is a Centre.
Even if he is
We still need a back up with size,rebounding and solid defense . Monroe will likely have some problems with some of the bigger Centers .
Practice safe sex. Go fuck yourself !
I can buy that 3 years from now, but not today
But not today. The guy has the frame but needs to do a ton of box squats, deadlifts, front squats, power cleans and bench presses. Those are all great compound exercises, with emphasis on the legs, core and back. Not to mention box squats are a proven method to increase jumping ability.
It really doesn’t matter how much you weigh or how many pushups you can do. What does matter is your center of gravity and how much power your core and legs can generate (and if your back can stabalize the power). If Monroe can deadlift at least 400 in 3 years – which mind you isn’t unreasonable, most pro body builders can hit over 600 and they don’t have nearly as good as a frame, I’d say he can handle center no problems.
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Count me as one...
…that does NOT want Brendan Haywood.
The MLE is way too much for him. He’s just a serviceable big body. I’d rather not use the MLE and wait for a better value that be saddled with his contract while he’s in his thirties. If the Pistons were a contender, maybe. But, right now this would be a waste of money.
Pssst.
I hate to tell you this, but you ain’t going to get much for the MLE.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
you will have to lock up haywood long term
its his last pay day, he’s not going to go for like a 2 year kwame or wilcox deal. i dont think we need him in here. lets get a couple more pieces before we start filling the roster with dale davis’.
Yeah...actually I expect most free agents to push towards long-term deals
With the impending CBA process next year, they’ll want their salaries locked as far out into the new world order post CBA.
I wouldn’t be surprised of the agents of these guys are essentially not entertaining offers under 4 years because of that. After all, the impact on player’s salaries will directly impact an agents salary (assuming all agents work on some type of commission from the contracts their players sign)
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
@Terrence
Exactly. So why spend it on a player that we’ll all be bitching about as a bad contract for the next five years.
Although, I will say this. His rebounding % and block % were good last year.
by Quick Darshan on Jul 1, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
well said qd
especially since its not like he’s going to put us over the hump or anything. the MLE is going to be close to worthless this year unless you want to overpay a player who isnt worth it. all the normal MLE guys will get better offers from each of the dipshits who strike out on the big FA’s.
After seeing Amir's contract, I don't see Haywood going for cheap anyway.
So scratch that idea.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I don’t think most people realize just how meaningless the MLE will be this year with all the teams with cap space
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why it’s especially painful that Jod didn’t use this years draft to stock up on big men.
A couple 2nd round fliers on PF/C’s = about $1m in salary, and if any of them are in the rotation, that is a huge salary cap savings, because established NBA bigs are always going to be overpaid, so you gotta try and keep getting new ones on rookie contracts.
I really wanted us to get multiple seconds
We have 3 next year, but just about all the quality bigs entered this year. It would have made much more sense to trade them for picks this year and cash in on guys like Alabi and Jordan that are solid, if not unexciting big men that can contribute in some way or another
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily Gabe
I think they’ll be two tiers. The overpayed and underpaid.
Teams are going to overpay for a bunch of guys because they have the cap space to blow. Once they’ve done that, they’re still going to have to fill out their roster. So they’ll be offering vet minimum contracts to a lot of guys that deserve more. You can probably get someone good for the biannual exception.
by Quick Darshan on Jul 1, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Also the way things have started out, I’m not sure if any free agent is going to be underpaid by the end of this off-season.
I complained in the past that we signed CV for 5year/$35mil, when Gooden was available for 1year/$4mil and Frye 2years/$6mil. But now they’re all getting paid around the same amount.
IME, the bargains were really in the draft this year. I’ll be shocked if a handful of PF/C’s from this years draft aren’t at least solid back-ups; guys like Pittman, Varnado, Zoubek, Art, Gallon, etc… There’s almost no chance they all make it, but there’s also a good chance that at least some of them will, and the ones that do will be bargains for a couple years.
Haha
I was about to too.
I’m not too savvy on basketball but it looks like a pretty bad contract to me.
by Taiwanese Tora on Jul 1, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Darko is more understandable than this.
6 and 5 gets you nearly $7 million a season? What?!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps they expect him to start
Once Bosh finally signs that Miami contract
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i hear he's got a lot of potential
by dandresden on Jul 1, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
If he can get his fouling under control...
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
by Kriz on Jul 1, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So far, NBA teams have committed 326 million dollars...
to Joe Johnson, John Salmons, Amir Johnson, Drew Gooden, Rudy Gay, and Darko Milicic.
wat
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
Wow. That’s crazy when you put it like that.
by garrettelliott on Jul 2, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I still can't get over that.
Amir Johnson, Mr Foul Every Five Minutes, is going to be making $7 million a year.
And we share the exact same birthday (5/1/1987). I could have done that same thing for like 10% of that! Hell, probably 1%!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
Fuck
I wish I had a penis.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
by Kriz on Jul 1, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
You Can Have Mine
Think of all the money I’d save on strippers and hookers!
by V. on Jul 2, 2010 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions
hell I bet you could even foul at a higher rate
So does that mean you warrant an extra $5 mil?
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It just means
That last year Joe wasn’t over paying, He just did what he said and spent a year earlier then everybody else!
Oh God Joe what have you started o.O
Someone joked on another board.
You know who’s feeling pretty good right now?
Joe Dumars
Ahead of the curve, always has been
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
sure it does
Would you rather deal with overpaying BG by $10 mil, or would you rather overpay Joe Johnson by $50 mil? I’ll take the BG route every time
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Right now, I'd rather do neither.
Is that possible?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Miller offered a 5 year, $30 million deal from the Lakers.
I have no idea how to direct link to an individual tweet.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
wow,
i heard bron is a fan of Mike Millar, this must mean bron is going to the lakers.
does this mean that the lakers can get rid of the machine?
I think that would be a good deal for most teams
But why would the Lakers want him if he’s just going to play 15 minutes a game behind Kobe?
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Artest insurance.
For when he finally snaps?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 1, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
still they're paying Artest $35 mil there
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but Miller could back-up both positions. It’s a lot of money for a backup, but he’s probably worth it.
its not a lot of money for a backup
if he played for the pistons!
ZING!
by dandresden on Jul 1, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
no no no
Miller can’t play for the Pistons as he is neither undersized nor is he a combo guard
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
And while he is kinda long, and he can definitely stroke it, I would question his strength.
by Big Z in Orlando on Jul 2, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
In 5 years Mike Miller'll be so worn down
He’ll be using false teeth and high on viagra
Miller fits great in the triangle. I could see him playing at “PG” with Lamar Odom handling point forward duties with the 2nd unit.
Also, that’s a great price point for Miller. Useful trade asset, worst case scenario.
agreed
He’s always been an under appreciated player. He has great size for the 2 guard and is one of the best shooters in the league (not to mention crazy efficient as a whole, he’s shot over 50% fg% and 40% 3pt% several times)
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Only when he stays on the court
He’s only played 82 games once (his rookie season), and since has averaged 61 games a season. Great fantasy stats, but not a reliable/durable player.
by C$ on Jul 2, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
that shouldn't be an issue playing behind Kobe
I’d be surprised if he played more than 20 minutes a game, just tell him to shoot like crazy and then sit back on the bench. I think it is a smart move by the Lakers, they really aren’t a good 3 point shooting team and it showed in the playoffs. Kobe has always been a line drive shooter; while he’s crazy accurate on midrange jumpers, he no longer has the athleticism to get the arc he needs for 3s and because of that he hasn’t shot close to 40% on them in a long time.
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
WojYahooNBA
Y! Sources: Channing Frye agrees to 5 year, $30 million contract to stay with Phoenix Suns.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Looks like Amare won't return
and so they decided to invest in Frye. Don’t blame them, Amare probably wanted a max contract and he’s a good player, but not a true winner
by bearded thundar on Jul 1, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Do they have a guy to pick up the pace though?
Amare is that team’s second best player, so who takes the stress of Nash? Richardson is a great shooter when he gets it going but he’s streaky, Hill’s old, I’m not even talking about Barbosa because he annoys the hell out of me for some reason, and everybody else is on the bench.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 1, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
5 years/30 million for a young... Donyell Marshall?
by Quick Darshan on Jul 1, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quiet Yell sighting
I’m a big Uconn fan and Donyell Marshall was all that in college, more dominant than Ray Allen at that level for sure. He played in the last year before the rookie salary cap and CLEANED up out of college (9 yrs/$41.6M as a rookie!). Now he just got a job as an assistant coach at George Washington for Karl Hobbs, a Uconn PG from the pre-Jim Calhoun era.
As a pro…not great.
These contracts being handed about like free candy are making JoD look less dumb.
Not smart. Just less dumb.
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.
Remember now
The Pistons got off to an respectable start even with Rip an Tayshaun hurt, and Ben Gordon plus CV was putting up some impressive numbers until they got hurt and never came back the same. All I am saying is that if Ben and CV can stay healthy it can make JOE D look smart.
But with Gordon situation even if he stays healthy I don’t think him and RIP can play together effectively.
How much are we under the cap this summer?
Several sources said about 10 million under cap, but really? I’m not sure
by JC no1 pistons fan on Jul 2, 2010 4:33 AM EDT reply actions
what are you talking about?
We’re over the cap, hence we have the MLE
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I've seen reports that we are 10 mil under also
What’s up with that?
Practice safe sex. Go fuck yourself !
no clue where you heard that
Next year we will be close to $10 mil under, but not this year
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt that
We don’t even know what the CBA and cap will look like. Also, if we extend Jerebko and give Stuckey a qualifying offer, use the MLE and biannual this year, our cap space will be gone.
Actually, we could be flirting with the tax, if there even is a tax anymore.
we've got $10 mil in cap holds next year, if that's what you saw
But that’s not the same as a having $10 mil in cap space (in fact it’s the opposite)
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
For The Dumars Haters Out There
These deals make the CV31 and BG signings look like a smart move. No doubt, we’ll have alot more stupidity before this is over. Amir $34M (even if it’s Canadian!)? Rudy Gay getting max money, as well as Joe Johnson?
If you think Rip and Tay’s value didn’t just go up a ton, you’re not paying attention.
right
on some level, you make sense. Joe D even alluded to this when he made the signings – he thought he’d beat the mad inflation that was going to go on this year. Looks like he was right about that.
but
1) he still managed to over pay
2) BG is NOT a winner. I don’t care who else is on the team. He’s trash.
You can call them good signings, but we’re a 6 seed in the best possible world
by redwingxviii on Jul 2, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
BG is a hardworker
And I do think he’s a winner, look who stepped up in that Chi-Bos series. He, Rose and Noah were all playing out of their mind and nearly won in game 7. Funny enough, in every compounding overtime, the Bulls won – as in ot, double ot and triple ot = Bulls victory. An ESPN analyst joked that if game 7 went to quadruple ot, it’s a guaranteed Bulls win.
The problem with BG is he’s just the wrong guy at the wrong contract for this team. He can be very useful, but truly he fits in better with a team like the Lakers that don’t have a point guard oriented offense or Orlando where Howard covers all D mistakes and all you need to do is hit 3s.
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
ORL would be a good fit
i could see orlando working.
maybe refine my post to “BG is not a leader.” that might work a bit better. rip ain’t a leader either.
someone will come eventually lead the pistons. probably a draft pick still to come
by redwingxviii on Jul 2, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
whatchutalkinbout Willis?
BG also hits clutch free throws
/khandored
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
being serious
We have no clue what kind of leader BG is because he was injured all of last season and it wasn’t his place to say anything as a new comer. This year I do expect him to speak up more as he lead the charge in his last season with the Bulls. Rose might have gotten the majority of the credit, but Gordon was the one who spaced the floor for Rose and took over in the 4th to close games
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
no clue? the guy that jacks up shots and doesn’t play defense? hasn’t he made a career out of this? Why would we expect him to change?
but, perhaps i’m wrong.
i’m not sure if you’re an optimist, way more knowledgable than me, or something else.
We’ll see. I hope BG turns into a super star that gets a max contract after leading the pistons to a title
by redwingxviii on Jul 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally disagree about BG not being a winner. That guy is a machine and is super clutch. Anyone who can elevate their game in the 4th quarter and OT of crucial playoff games is a winner, IME. CV, on the other hand, still has a lot to prove.
by garrettelliott on Jul 2, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
So, basically
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
If he was a winner, it'd be a 4-point play
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 2, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
you mean if he was a crybaby
LeBron or Wade would have gotten a bogus call there 9 times out of 10
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Ben Gordon shot 29% last season in the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter plus overtime. So, um, yeah.
It was much better in 08-09, though! I think all of us hope the next 4 years look more like 08-09 than last year!
Yeah, I'm definitely hoping last year was an abberation
For about half our team…
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 2, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
it was
At the very least for Gordon, his shooting efficiency was way below his career normals, likely due to the injury
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s not accurate. It was his worst performance since his 2nd year in the league, but it actually wasn’t that far off his career norms.
Huh?
Looks to me that last year was the worst of his career. Both his FG% and 3pt% were way below his career numbers. Scoring and rebounding were also down, even when you look at per 36 minutes.
I know you’re not thrilled with Gordon, but how can you say last year wasn’t the worst of his career by a sigificant margin?
what are you talking about
He dropped 80% from 3 and 4 ppg, how is that off from the career norm? Not to mention if you compare it to last year, he dropped 40% from the field and 8 ppg, that’s ridiculous to say it wasn’t far from his career norms. Flat out he was a much better player with the Bulls than he was with us.
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
also, per/36 Gordon scored 3 points less per game, so it’s not as dramatic a drop as it looks if you only look at ppg’s.
Gordon has had two seasons well above his career TS% of .552 (.572% in ‘07 and .573 in ’09), one right at his career average in ’08, and three seasons below his career average (’05, ’06, ’10).
still 4% down from last year and 2% from the norm
I would call that a big drop. Normal fluctatuation would be 1-2% change, and if you exclude Gordon’s first 2 years (which in all fairness should be ignored for most players, getting your feet wet is not the same has having a lead role), then you start seeing a 3-4% drop.
Also you have to take into account fta/fga. Gordon had a ratio this year than in the past as he dropped several fga but only 1 fta per game, which would skew the ts%.
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Normal fluctatuation would be 1-2% change,
???
Okay, let’s look at our other SG. Here are Rip’s numbers. His variance in TS% and eFG% is comparable.
What we saw from Gordon was his worst year in several, but the variance wasn’t as dramatic as it appears at first glance. Compare him to any other SG who lives (and dies) off of jumpshots, and you’ll see comparable variance.
I don't see how that's a good comparison
Rip is clearly on a massive decline, and more importantly his ts% from 05-08 under Flip Saunders remained essentially identical (with it steadily leading up to those numbers in previous years)
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
alright, here are Jod’s career numbers… Almost the exact same levels of fluctuation in his scoring efficiency.
Joe generally changed in increments of 1-2%. His TS% never dropped by 4% in a single season change than at the very end of career
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
His TS% never dropped by 4% in a single season
That has never been part of the converstaion until now, BT. You’re moving the goalposts.
what you are talking about
“still 4% down from last year and 2% from the norm”
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yes I am
you guys aren’t reading what I said. My argument is that the Gordon we got had a significantly worse year than the Gordon chicago had for the last 3 seasons due to the injury.
Look at the starting vs bench numbers for last year, he almost only started pre-injury and there is a big difference across the board
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
HUH?
He had exactly the same drop as Gordon several times… from a high around .570% to a low .530%, with his career average and median seasons always being around .550%. That is virtually identical to Gordon.
no they didn't
from 88 to 97 he never had a change from a single season that was more than 2%. I’m talking single season changes, not just career norms
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m talking single season changes, not just career norms
Why would you do that when my comment was about career norms?
That’s precisely what I mean by moving the goalposts. You can’t just cherry pick a guy’s career statistics in order to find the three seasons that suit your argument.
Jump shooting guards have variance in their scoring efficiency throughout the course of their careers. That’s a fact. Take any guard whose game is built on jumpshots and you’ll see that.
The injury is mostly irrelevant, unless all the other SGs in the comparison were never, ever injured. All basketball players get injured. There’s no sense in making the argument, “well if it weren’t for the injuries,” because that never actually happens.
from age 24-28, Jod’s TS% went .530%, .571%, .555%, .552%, .538%.
I get that you’re now qualifying your argument by saying that the change needs to come from back to back seasons, but that honestly makes no sense as a qualification.
The point is that the fluctuation seen in Gordon’s numbers are perfectly normal for a jump shooting SG. This can clearly be seen from Jod’s career numbers, or any number of other SG’s.
The comparison is valid. It’s an easy example because we’re familiar with his game. Rip and BG both score by shooting jumpshots. Your argument is that 1-2% would be normal fluctuation. If that’s the case, then we should be able to look at other jumpshooting guards and see that.
We don’t see that when we look at Rip. Even if you cherry pick the numbers, you don’t see it. A 4% variance isn’t uncommon.
Here’s Ray Allen as another example of a jumpshooting guard. The numbers just aren’t that stable.
So ignore last year of Rip’s career. I’m fine with that. Or select any other jump-shooting guard.
Your claim was that 1-2% would be normal. Based on ??? If that’s your theory, Rip is another obvious exception.
My point was that anything above 1-2% is a big change
And so you just proved my point, Gordon’s numbers were significantly down from his season in Chicago as their lead player
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay. So, one advanced metric shows he had “worse” seasons his first and second year. His TS% was still nearly two percent below his career number. That is significant. Regardless, if you spend 2 minutes looking at all the stats I think it is pretty darn clear Gordon’s first season with Detroit was significantly worse than his career performace.
Totals vs. Per Minute Measures. Per minute, Gordon was comfortably within what one would expect.
The only part I disagree with is “significantly.” He was worse than last year, absolutely. But not significantly worse.
per minute numbers are only useful when the playing time is consistent
Efficiency always goes down when players play longer against starters, that’s a proven fact. Gordon spent a lot of this year coming off the bench and out of the rotation after his injury, which really throws out per minute comparisons due to the type of competition he was facing.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?playerId=2381
Look at the splits for him coming off the bench. Those are his post injury numbers when he fell out of the consistent rotation, and they are awful compared to his career norms. More importantly, they show what he was without that hot streak he had at the start of the season when Rip went down. Face it, Gordon in the past was a far better player than what we got.
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
pre injury and post injury made a big difference in stats
Pre injury, he was right in line with his career norms, which is shown by his starting numbers (as he started essentially only when rip went down). After the injury he was down in big increments across the board, which is shown by the bench numbers.
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Efficiency always goes down when players play longer against starters, that’s a proven fact
I would like to see this proof.
And Ben Gordon has always had an inconsistent starter vs. backup role. It never seemed to affect him in Chicago.
Face it, Gordonin the pastfrom 2008-2009 was afarbetter player than what we got.
I would agree if this was your argument. But you’re overstating it, and I don’t agree.
no I'm not
look at his numbers when he came off the bench post injury, it’s obvious that his injury held him back.
I think we’ll be seeing a much better player next year
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
All Gordon’s non-scoring stats are right in line with his career averages (though his rebounding declined slightly from bad to abysmal). And his scoring efficiency was down from his career average, but was actually a tiny bit better than his worst two shooting seasons.
I don’t understand the disagreement. Yes, Gordon had a bad season. But it definitely wasn’t a crazy statistical outlier that he will definitely improve on. Everything he did was just on the low end of his career numbers.
I actually think all of this stat talk is doing a really nice of building a case for Gordon being a nice player. If you guys are saying he statistically hasn’t changed much between last year and the rest of his career, I think that’s pretty amazing. Anyone who actually watched the games last year could see he wasn’t the same player he was in Chicago. He was absolute garbage for 3/4 of the season. But if his numbers didn’t manage to dip despite the fact that he looked like a different player, I’m encouraged that his numbers will be decent when he’s back to normal.
by garrettelliott on Jul 2, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
so are the pistons going to be good?
my buddy thinks they’ll lose 50
So much for worry about the upcoming new collective bargaining agreement.
I really hope more of these teams pay to keep their players.
Boston with Paul Pierce and Allen
Miami with Wade
Cleveland with Lebron
Phoenix with Amare
I hope Chicago just gets screwed.
At this point, all the big name PFs will be off the board...
…and someone’s going to have to pay Luis Scola or David Lee a max contract.
Dumars pursuing Matt Barnes?
http://need4sheed.com/2010/07/free-agency.html
I actually really like Barnes. Hard-nosed, defends, shoots it long and smooth. But I’m pretty sure he’s too small to play Centre.
he is a douche
but still a great player to have on our team. Think about it, all our titles have come guys that were total douches on the floor. Isiah, Rodman, Laimbeer, Sheed and you could even include Big Ben’s intimidation factor in there
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
4/5 of those douches were also taller than 6'8
I like Matt Barnes, but we don’t need him on this team, unless we can move Tayshaun for a big.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 2, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
My problem with Barnes is that he’s just a weasel. I actually wouldn’t mind a few douches on our team because the get the other team riled up. But pulling that busch league with Kobe MF Bryant? He doesn’t have the skills to back it up. Be a tough guy, be a pesky defender, but don’t be a douche if you can’t back it up.
by garrettelliott on Jul 2, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Pierce staying with Celtics
http://bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/?p=709&srvc=home&position=recent
4 years, $61 million according to later reports. That’s a lot for an old SF. I’d rather have seen them rebuild around Rondo…
agreed
I would have given Pierce a Rip deal tops, 3 years $36 mil and the last year is a team option. Legacy and loyalty are important values, but not to the point that they cripple your future. That’s why the Red Sox are always good; they can’t spend as much as the Yankees, but they know when it’s time to cut ties and move on to the farm system – just look at Damon and Pedro, just after winning their first world series they realized it would be bad to resign them to big deals.
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Best description of Joe Johnson's new deal
From SB nation:
Sure, it’s a war-damaged condo on the beach in LIberia without a security system. BUT IT’S SO AFFORDABLE AT ELEVEN MILLION DOLLARS A MONTH!
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
Warrick gets 4 years, $18 million from the Suns.
I will laugh if he somehow puts up Amar’e numbers in that system.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 2, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions
Actually, I think he'll do pretty good.
I like Hakim’s game, and he’s a great fit for the Suns, if only for the reason that he’s athletic as hell. I think he’ll average 15/7 and be one of the best signings this off season.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 2, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So Ric Bucher was talking on ESPN
and he says that the reason owners are throwing away all this money is because they plan to push for the ability to alter these contracts in the new CBA.
Which is crazy to me.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Also, apparently the Pistons are looking into a sign and trade for Haywood.
Makes sense if he’s looking for more money, though I don’t know how much I’d invest in him. But if we can clear one of our bad contracts in the process I’ll take him back.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 2, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions
I think Rip for Dampier works
Also ESPN mentioned that if NY can’t swing a 2nd star, they can always resign Lee or (more importantly for us) do an even trade with Eddy Curry. Rip was at the top of the list behind Arenas (though don’t see why anyone would want Gilbert right now), and although we would essentially be doing a salary dump, it would probably benefit us to do so. And if we could get 8 and 8 from Curry playing center, I would say it was a win for both sides.
Rip just doesn’t seem to fit in with the current pistons anymore in terms of playing style and attitude. At this point if we can get salary relief, I say we do it.
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's be more like
10 and 5. Curry couldn’t do 8 a game when he was getting heavy minutes.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
Can Eddie Curry still get on the Basketball court?
Is he ever going to play pro ball again? Is it smart to count on him for 1/1?
by Big Z in Orlando on Jul 6, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to get Haywood
He does everything that we’ve said we need. If he averages 10/10 and a block, he absolutely would be worth the MLE. That also gives Monroe another guy to learn from with the stuff he’s not great at.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 2, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Haywood was a MONSTER for me in the fantasy league last year. I think that was one of his best seasons, though. And he’s an old dude. But still, I’d take him. I’d rather see Haywood at centre than Monroe at this point.
by garrettelliott on Jul 2, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh me too
I’m a fantasy basketball dork, so I like him a lot.
Quick fantasy dork story: I was just looking at one of my teams from last year, and I remembered that one of the leagues I was in was full of idiots. I had Danny Granger AND Paul Pierce. Yeah, crazy shit.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 3, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I had two last year
It’s crazy because Paul Pierce and Danny Granger are drafted roughly in the same territory, so getting both is a miracle. People had dropped them (Pierce when he was injured, Danny for absolutely no reason) with about 20-25 games left. And these are star players. I pretty much cruised to the league finals, where I inexplicably lost.
I also had Lebron.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 5, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I play every year
That stuff happens all the time. One of my teams last year was so good I had David West on the bench most of the season before trading him for Steph Curry.
Practice safe sex. Go fuck yourself !
Ah, sorry if I sounded condescending
I do love fantasy b-ball though. We need to set up a league for this site next season.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 5, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I call dibs on drafting Vince Carter.
/grr, screw me over again, please, Vinsanity
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 5, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
it'd be year 3 for DBB
we had one league two seasons ago and two leagues this past season. we’ll accommodate everyone this coming season :)
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I'd be in both
Because that’s just how I do.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 6, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
No Biz. You didn’t sound condescending at all. All I was saying is it’s not really crazy to have all those players on the same team unless you’re playing against 15 other teams. I can’t wait to play this season against you guys.
Practice safe sex. Go fuck yourself !
Me too. I’m already trying to find a team name. I think I like “Bebound Da Baditball”.
Last year, I had “Detroit’s Got Powder” and “Delonte West’s Shotgun Wedding”.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 6, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Amar'e getting the max from the Knicks.
Yep, this is going to be ridiculous.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 2, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions
bad deal for the Knicks
Sure Amare will thrive offensively there, but he won’t play any defense and more importantly NY has no point guard to deliver him the ball
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing it's a desperate attempt to get LeBron to New York.
Like “Hey, we already got your Pippen!”
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 2, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
it is
But I still don’t think he goes there, perhaps Joe Johnson might. Regardless I’m rooting for the Knicks, I want LeBron the hell out of our division, preferably on a team with no talent (ie the Knicks).
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess in theory he could change his mind before the 8th? Isn’t that when they actually sign stuff?
by garrettelliott on Jul 2, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm kind of holding up on it.
It’s probably going to happen but no report has said Johnson has officially agreed.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 2, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping Miami loses Wade and doesn't get any other all-star
So they can go out and sign: tyrus thomas, tyson chandler, shaq, steve blake, nate robinson, josh howard, matt bonner, tony allen, shannon brown, t-mac, and iverson.
Miami Heat 2010-2011:
Chalmers, donkey, blake
Brown, T. Allen, Iverson
Howard, T-Mac
Thomas, Beasley, Bonner
Chandler, Shaq, Pittman
That team has a perfect mix of veteran leadership and young talent.
CHAMPIONSHIP!!
he's a good point guard
Knows how to run an offense and occasionally score, that’s all the Lakers need coming off the bench
by bearded thundar on Jul 2, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
For sure. And it’s by the team that won the NBA championship! CONSPIRACY!!!
by garrettelliott on Jul 3, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
With how terrible the contracts have been this offseason
Getting a guy who could definitely start for them at $4 million/year is pretty damn awesome.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 3, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
not to mention
He suddenly became a triple double threat last year. Out of no where he had 3 of them just after getting traded to the Clippers
by bearded thundar on Jul 3, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
dumb trade imo
That doesn’t really help either side, unless if Duncan is thinking about retiring within a year or two (dude is still productive as hell regardless of age). And if it’s true the Knicks will be getting Amare, then they’ll need a rebounding machine like Lee to cover his lack of anything on the defensive end.
by bearded thundar on Jul 3, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not
Parker has been out so much that the team has learned to be effective without him, Bring in Lee and this allows TD to play center where he can play another 3 or 4 years playing Center for Timmy is a good look for him. And if the rumors of Amare to the Knicks are true he would not have nobody there to get him the ball with Parker that changes
Tim's played center for years
And they have Blair to do the grunt work already
by bearded thundar on Jul 3, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee is going to do more than Grunt work
Lee possibly give the Spurs another Twin Towers look. While Blair did so some impressive production I see as another Malik Rose in PoP system, in which Blair is better and more effective coming off the bench.
And because of Blair’s knees, I just wouldn’t feel comfortable playing him starter minutes every night. It’s probably safest to keep him on the bench where he can be a game-changer against the other team’s scrubs and gobble up every board before his knees explode.
by garrettelliott on Jul 4, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee is criminally underrated
He put up 20 points per game as mostly a pick-and-roll guy, despite having Toney Douglas and Chris Duhon as his point guards. If I were Phoenix, I’d do everything I could to make New York give him to me in a sign-and-trade for Amar’e, because he’d put up MONSTER numbers with Nash, and would actually be better defensively than Amar’e.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
now that would be a smart move
Lee is a better player than Stoudemire IME; he’s got post moves, a jumper, rebounds like no other and creates not only for himself but for his teammates
by bearded thundar on Jul 4, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
NO, BUT LEE IS PRODUCT OF D'ANTONI'S STYSTEM!
LAWLS, AMAR’E HAS EXPLOSIVE!
/espn’d
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 4, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tony Parker
Word is that George Hill has made him expendable, but I don’t buy it. As long as Tim Duncan is around, SA will most likely keep their core intact short of getting offered someone like Bosh for any of their guards
by bearded thundar on Jul 3, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Phoenix is retarded
Locking up Hakim Warrick and Channing Frye to long term deals? Phoenix did the old “spend just to spend” routine and will now be relegated to mediocrity for the next half-dozen years.
I don’t know if I’m brillant or absolutely stupid, but I’d hold on to that money as opposed to giving it to Warrick and Frye. With Steve Nash at the age he’s at, and Grant Hill declining, Phoenix – while they were the most fun team to watch in the NBA – are not a contender anymore. I’d ship Nash (yes I know, but I would) for young talent and draft picks and build ala the OKC Thunder. Use your money wisely and you can be back in the hunt in under 5 years. But with signing Frye, who doesn’t have a back to the basket game and he’s 6’10, and Warrick, who can’t shoot and is not strong enough to play the PF position every night, they’re just turning their wheels. You lost Phoenix!
You can't reap the reward if you don't first take the risk.
They should've just resigned Amundson for cheap
He makes more sense for them than Warrick does.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
Mavs and Dirk agree on 4 years/80 mil guaranteed
according to Marc Stein’s twitter.
Question
Stein is reporting that Nowitzki’s contract includes a no-trade clause, making Nowitzki the second player in the league to have said clause in his contract (Bryant being the other). If memory serves me correctly, didn’t Devean George have a similar clause in his contract, which he used to block the trade that included him in the package to NJ for Kidd? Is George’s a different kind of clause?
by Boom Roasted on Jul 3, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I looked it up, per ESPN
Although Kobe Bryant is the only player in the league with a specific no-trade clause in his contract, league rules dictate that players on a one-year contract — but who also ended last season with the same team and are thus eligible for Early Bird or full Larry Bird free-agent rights at the end of the contract — cannot be traded without their consent.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Ah, got it. Thank you much :-)
by Boom Roasted on Jul 4, 2010 12:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Didn’t Kobe nix a trade here a few years ago? Or maybe that was just a weird roomer.
by garrettelliott on Jul 4, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I did hear about that
It was something like Rip+Tay+1st round pick for Kobe, but he blocked it
by bearded thundar on Jul 4, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the rumor was Rip, Tay, Amir for Kobe.
Which upon reflection was laughably bad.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 4, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
not at that time though
I believe that was 06-07, when the Pistons had just come off career highs for just about every player
by bearded thundar on Jul 4, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
probably not worth a fanshot, so...
Roomers say Jefferson to Golden State, Ellis to New York, Lee to Minnesota.
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once again, bad move for the Knicks
Lee is so much better than Ellis that I would basically shit my pants if this deal went through.
by bearded thundar on Jul 4, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Not so bad if they land Amare
It seems like Dantoni realize that bringing in Amare with no one to get him the ball is badd business, but to have someone to get him the ball would be real effective now all they got to do is add 1 more superstar and some defenders and they are set.
Amare isn't a winner
The guy doesn’t rebound or play defense and hasn’t been able to change games on his own ever since his knee problems. These last few years have been due to a combination of Nash and an improved jumpshot, and while he’ll retain the jumper in NY – he won’t see any point guard even a fraction as good as Nash
by bearded thundar on Jul 4, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, why the hell would you pay Lee when you have Love?
I don’t know if I trust Lee’s D that much, and Love isn’t much of a defender either. That teams gonna get shellacked in the post. Charlie Villaneuva and Greg Monroe bad? Sheeeeeiiiiiittt. Good God, is David Kahn stupid.
Monta Ellis in NY is what it is: fast paced guy going to fast paced offense. The D’Antoni system still needs a good PG to run it though, and Monta Ellis is a shooting guard. Jefferson to the Warriors, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense, especially if it gives them a starting five of Curry/Morrow/Randolph/Jefferson/Udoh or Biedrins. That’s a good, young lineup that can run, shoot, and drop your jaw. That’s not a championship lineup, but its at least consistent.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably.
His stupidity is astounding. Give him three years, he’ll make Isiah Thomas look like Sam Presti.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 5, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
So far the free agent stuff has been disappointing and underwhelming. I guess I expected the clock to tick midnight and LeBron to hold a press conference on every TV channel.
its been comically underwhelming.
yeah i think its going down tomorrow, along with bosh and wade. if bron and wade stand pat then this will have been the most over hyped event since the launch event of the segway.
that's because every GM seems to have lost his mind
to the point that some might consider them retired
by bearded thundar on Jul 4, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
But that would mean we'd stop talking about him immediately
My guess is Lebron is one of the last signings of the active free agency period (signing day and one week past) so that people are talking about nothing but Lebron. In fact, I’d expect that Bosh signs somewhere and wherever Bosh signs Lebron ends up. That way Bosh can “feel” like the marquee player that the team went after first, but Lebron gets his uninterrupted days of lebron watch. That was probably what the entire “conference” was all about. How lebron can get as much ballwashing as possible and still keep Wade and Bosh happy.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
theres a lottery in cleveland right now where each day a number is drawn and the number corresponds with a citizen of ohio. if your number is drawn you have to go to lebrons house and personally wash his balls with a small hand towel made of egyptian cotten while wearing a witness shirt. ive heard that if you cry while doing it he is more likely to stay with the cavs.
by dandresden on Jul 4, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just don’t see what could be making LeBron take his time other than getting his ego. What more could teams have to “pitch” him? We probably know as much info as he’s getting from teams. What more could they possibly be telling him besides, “This is what our roster will be, this is what we can pay you, and this is your best chance at winning a championship”?
by garrettelliott on Jul 5, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
he knew everything already before free agency began
its not like these guys are telling him anything he didnt know already. its totally his ego. the only other thing is waiting to see where bosh and wade go to. i think he might be the loser in this situation if he holds out for too long. bosh and wade might just say fuck it and go to chicago leaving bron to go to some team like the nets while he watches bosh and wade rack up rings in chitown.
it makes me happy to think that NYK and MIA are going to lose big time in this cap hoarding game theyve been playing. nice plan you fucking jerks.
As much as I love to hate on Lebron
I honestly doubt his ego is the reason he’s taking “so long” (it’s only been a week) to figure out where he’s going to pursue the next chapter of his life and career. This is a real human being who has a pretty big decision regarding the future of his career and family sitting in front of him. For guys like Drew Gooden and Hakim Warrick there’s not much to think about, it’s not like they’re getting these kinds of offers all around the league; Lebron, Wade, Bosh, etc. are getting very serious offers in different parts of the country. Putting myself in his shoes, I don’t blame him for taking his time in deciding where he’s going to commit. And even if he had an idea of what each team could offer before free agency began, meetings and actual contact with suitors absolutely have the potential to sway one’s opinion. I’m saying this because I’ve been there recently regarding a career choice which had me possibly re-locating to different parts of the country; it’s not an easy decision for a human being.
shaq signing to the hawks?
for the mle? weird. seems like a real poor fit for shaq these days. it would be pretty rich if joe solved our big man problems by signing shaq to the MLE.
Uhg, Shaq is one of the players I loathe the most.
I’d be pretty hard for me to root for him. Plus, Kobe just got number 5, the only palce he is going to is a contender.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Ugh
The Hawks, considering this goes down, may have the worst offseason of the year.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 5, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And if they trade Josh Smith, they're dumb
I’m not even going into why that’d be stupid. Of course, I would have no problem capitalizing off of their idiocy.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 5, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Would that lead to Memphis losing OJ Mayo or Gasol?
Both who I would rather have than Rudy Gay.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 5, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Both of teams depress the crap out of me
Such good pieces, but the GMs are absolutely horrendous. David Kahn is the Jonah Hex of GMs, Wallace (or whoever it is) is just depressing.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 6, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
makes me not want to see Last Airbender anymore
by bearded thundar on Jul 6, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I’ve been looking forward to that movie. I was going to watch it tonight online. If this movie sucks then M. Night should just give up on life like he gave up on The Happening.
Practice safe sex. Go fuck yourself !
i would never advocate watching movies illegally but if you are to watch the Last Airbender that would be the way to do it.
or you could just watch the show, its on netflix streaming.
that's what I've heard
People are saying the director completely butchered a great anime, even worse than Dragon Ball, and doesn’t deserve a single penny
by bearded thundar on Jul 6, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it at the very least looked entertaining
but even I’m not entertained by a 7% score on RT…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
The worst situation for Detroit (Free Agency related)
So Chad Ford writes that Wade could be considering both personal and professional reasons for playing in Chicago so it led me to ask the question, “What would this mean for Detroit?”
We all want to say “fuck Lebron” if he goes to Chicago but what would be even worse is if Lebron stays in Cleveland, but Bosh and Wade pair up in Chicago.
Think about it…we’d be in the Central Division with
- Chicago (Wade, Noah, Bosh)
- Cleveland (Lebron)
- Milwaukee (already scrrrred)
- Pacers (thank God there is someone who might be worse than us assuming Hansbrough doesn’t fuck us by ending up sweet)
Can you imagine having to watch Ben Gordon guard D. Wade 4 times a year while Monroe attempts to defend against Bosh? Yuck.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I just threw up a little bit
Of course, the Pacers are always going to suck for some reason.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 6, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless Tyler fucks us
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Chris Duhon's a Magic for four years
Somebody explain to me why that was a good idea. Did anybody pay attention to him this year in NY? He wasn’t good, that’s for sure.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 6, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
Minimal investment, knows how to run an offense, minimal playing time. ORL needs a backup PG.
Roomers are they’re going after CP3, which would make his minutes even more sparse.
not sure how they land him
Jameer is the only guy NO could possibly want imo. Pietrus and Gortat would be excellent throw ins, but neither is good enough to build a deal around. At the least they would have to give up those 3, probably Ryan Anderson (also nice player) and a future first or two. I’m not sure that deal makes Orlando any better, as even though they have 2 superstars, they wouldn’t have of anything else of value.
by bearded thundar on Jul 6, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think New Orleans is looking to do two things in a Paul deal: Gain financial flexibility and gain front-court depth.
I’m not sure that deal gives them flexibility.
by TDP on Jul 6, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would New Jersey spend $45M on a bench player?
Lopez and Favors are their likely starting frontcourt unless they go after Boozer at which point Favors is likely to come off the bench. I could see Dallas offering him a bunch of cash if they don’t feel like retaining Dampier and can sign Haywood as their big center to replace Dampier.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
In all seriousness
i’m not being serious. For the record I wouldn’t pay that bum a dollar/yr.
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 6, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I would pay that "bum" several millions of dollars/yr
Charlotte never had problems with him, and the Bull Org. — as they did with Gordon — basically fucked him for no reason and claimed he was a head case to justify it. He put up a 96 D-rating last year, which was second only to Dwight Howard. And he’s only 24. He is ABSOLUTELY worth the full MLE.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
His headcase-ness was the main reason the bulls lost to boston in that playoff series
And I’m sticking to this statement. I don’t really care much about off the court stupidity, but when Tyrus has to play major minutes, he makes stupid decisions on the court.
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 6, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, yeah, he had a bad series that year
But how about THIS year’s playoffs? He played really, really well — 23 PER, 118 O-rating, .657 ts% — against a very good Orlando team? I’m sorry, but you can’t use one playoff series to judge the entire worth of a young player.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
but he just did!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Saw a rumor rumour roomer about Haywood to the Heat in a sign-and-trade for Beasley and Jermaine O’Neal on Dimemag.com.
Not sure how that works, exactly.
by TDP on Jul 6, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not bad for the Mavs
Beasley could still develop into a very solid player off the bench to give Dirk some more rest.
However I don’t think that is possible, as you can’t do a sign and trade with auxiliary players, as in only O’Neal for Haywood would work (or Beasley for Haywood)
by bearded thundar on Jul 6, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
It doesn’t have to be a one-for-one swap.
by TDP on Jul 6, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
for a sign and trade it does
Part of the CBA, and both of Haywood and O’neal are free agents thus it would have to be a sign and trade
by bearded thundar on Jul 6, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If Beasley got it together, he could even be a replacement. I think if he went to Dallas, you could see him develop into a really good player.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 6, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
not good today
but could be great a few years from now if they did a direct Haywood for Beasley swap
by bearded thundar on Jul 6, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Witnesses to Bosh going to Miami and crushing the LeBrons for the next 10 years.
by garrettelliott on Jul 7, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Bosh + Wade in Miami
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-wadebosh070610
They’re actively pursuing Haywood (Oneal + Beasley via S&T) as well and think they have a chance at Bron Bron. If this all goes down, wow, Miami just got strong.
Personally, I’d rather see them try to add 2-3 quality players rather than LBJ at max, but that’s just me perhaps.
Free Darko tweet today:
“FREE RAMON SESSIONS!” In the words of the great Tobias Funke: “There are dozens of us! DOZENS!”
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 7, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Have you and Ramon set your wedding date yet?
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 7, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, has anyone else heard the new Big Boi album yet?
Because it is a fantastic, and welcome distraction from the LeBrocalypse.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
I've heard Royal Flush and Shine Blockas
I need to get the coin together to buy it. Based on those two tracks alone (even though Royal Flush isn’t technically on the album), it’s probably kick ass.
Three Stacks needs to quit fucking around with green tea and Cartoon Network and his admittedly stylishly expensive clothing line I wish I had enough money to drape myself in and record an album again. Big Boi is great, but Andre 3000 tears up everything in sight. He’s one of the few guys in my personal pantheon I’d put with Ghostface Killah, and even though he’s okay at the whole acting/making clothes thing, he’s still best rapping.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 7, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Seriously, I know the Clippers are dumb and have consistently terrible management, but come one. They’re this fucking stupid?!? “So, we finally got rid of one of the worst coaches in the NBA guys! What should we do? Let’s hire the worst coach in the NBA!” Was Michael Curry not available, or something???
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 7, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Woj gives it to LBJ
Great article that says it all and says it perfectly: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-lebrondecision070710
Thanks for posting gullks
Good read. Not nearly hard-hitting enough. He didn’t call him a tool once in the entire article.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
You bet.
The precedent LBJ is setting for future generations of young great players is what scares me more than anything. This isn’t the NBA I want now, and it’s definitely not the NBA I want in the future.
I think no matter what happens
there will ultimately be backlash. If he goes to the Knicks, the entire world is pissed off outside of New York and the likelihood of Ohioans traveling to NYC to fire bomb the “We are all Witnesses” campaigns that would surface almost immediately could be pretty dangerous.
If he stays in Cleveland, the whole world hates him because he wasted everyone’s time and stole the limelight for a decision to…do nothing and stay in Cleveland.
Additionally, Lebron is obviously the “MVP” of free agency, but when its all said and done, young superstars will seek to replicate the guys with the rings. Kobe doesn’t pull this shit. While Lebron is injecting HGH into his chin, Kobe is getting pictures taken in white amish outfits and the like.
You also don’t see this from Wade…the interview with Wade and Bosh is great by the way. You can tell they’re both excited but both willing to do whatever it takes to win multipl championships. At this point, I hope Lebron doesn’t go to Miami just because Wade and Bosh are both likable guys even if they’ll fuck us in the ass for the next 5 years. Throw Lebron into the mix and add in Pat Riley booting Spoelstra to the curb first chance he gets and well, Miami becomes more hated than the White Supremacy Movement.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Good writing
“A Vacuous Star for Vacuous Times”.
I don’t know if there’s ever been a more fake superstar than Lebron. I hope he gets his Sam Smith soon, either to prove he’s a dick or at least make him interesting rather than this biblical apocalyptic force. I just want to see him human. He makes Kobe Bryant look like Charles Barkley.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 7, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Reports trickling in that Chicago has Boozer, 5 years, $80 million. And the LeBron to NY rumours are picking up steam…..
Fuck that!
Rose, Deng, Boozer, and Noah along with whomever else they get is going to be rough to handle….
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I hope those b-list stars in Chicago kick Miami and New York’s ass every single time.
by garrettelliott on Jul 7, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Boozer to Chicago
Is apparently their Plan B. But outside of Wade or LBJ, it’s about as good as they could hope to do. Noah + Boozer + Deng + who’s their SG again? + Rose = scary good starting 5. Noah complements Boozer perfectly in the frontcourt, and I would venture to say that a Rose + Boozer pick and roll has the potential to be every bit as deadly in Chi-town as Williams + Boozer was in Utah.
Forget contention. With everything shaking out as it is in the East, we’ve got a helluva long ways just to get back to relevance.
i wouldn't be surprised
if they sign Reddick, the best shooter in the history of basketball.
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These S&Ts are good for moving Hamilton
Utah(Boozer) and Toronto(Bosh) may sign and trade for nothing but giant trade exceptions. Would one of those teams go for trading a future 1st rounder + exception for Hamilton?
Why would they want an exception without wanting to spend it?
I’m sure Utah wouldn’t be expecting to have a lottery pick in the near future. Signing Rip to a 3 year, $38 mil deal with the last year not being fully guaranteed would be one of the best signings this summer.
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 7, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
s&t’s are the most rare form of player movement in the history of the CBA. they are less rare this year, but if Rip is moved this summer, it is likely to a team with cap space that needs a vet 2 and couldn’t sign a big FA. Essentially, you’re suggesting some manner of a rip for Boozer or Bosh trade, suggesting that either team would value Rip enough as an incoming player to facilitate said trade.
That’s what I disagreed with in the first place.
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When I say
Utah(Boozer) and Toronto(Bosh) may sign and trade for nothing but giant trade exceptions.I’m talking about Bosh going to Miami and Boozer going to Chicago. I don’t know why Miami and Chicago would do it, but there’s talk it might happen. One of Utah or Toronto would then use their newly acquired exception to take on Hamilton’s contract.. get my drift?
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 7, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
But why would either do that?
Neither team has the space to absorb Hamilton’s salary, Toronto doesn’t have the positional need and Utah has salary woes. Why would either make that move from a financial and productive standpoint?
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Utah: With Hamilton they would stay in contention for the playoffs in the west. It could be Rip for CJ Miles and a future 2nd rounder and they would stay under the tax line, which was just figured at $70.3 mil. CJ Miles leaving would also give more time for Gordon Hayward. They have AK-47 coming off the books next summer, so they should be just above the cap next year putting them in perfect position to add an MLE and bi-annual player. That’d be a pretty quick turn around after losing Boozer.
Toronto: I always forget about DeRozan so they prolly aren’t doing it.
Might as well…
New York: Rip for Eddy Curry straight up, no picks. If no Lebron, they could still sign Lee and Felton and have a starting lineup: Felton/Hamilton/Gallinari/Lee/Stoudamire.
Boston: Hamilton for Sheed + Perkins. If Ray Allen leaves, Hamilton will give Pierce and Garnett one last stand at a Championship.
Orlando: Rip and Tay for Vince and Gortat. The drafting of Orton and the roomars(lol) of Gortat telling his Polish homeland he will be traded seem to trend toward his being shopped this offseason. Some have argued that Rip and Tay aren’t shooters and wouldn’t work well in Orlando’s system for D.Ho, but i’m arguing their system is wrong and they should try something else to compliment the Wannabeshaq’sbitchsuperman.
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 7, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that deal with Utah doesn’t work. Utah is up against the salary cap (different than the luxury tax line), so I don’t think they can just take on salary without sending out approximately equal contracts.
As for NY, Hamilton is a lousy fit in D’Antoni’s offense, plus Hamilton and Amar’e would be a really awkward pairing; Hamilton needs lots of off-ball screens to be effective, and Amar’e needs pick and rolls with a ball handling guard. Not a good match.
Boston’s not going to trade Perkins. They just aren’t.
That Orlando deal is the one that might make sense for both sides. It’s possible Orlando will be hesitant to overhaul the roster a second year in a row, and the trade adds some long-term salary with Rip’s deal being a few million more per year than Gortat’s. But, if they want to shake things up again, hopefully Jod is on the other end of the line.
I hope Net (because I think that’s the better option for him) but my gut says Knick. LeBron/Amare vs. Wade/Bosh. Not bad……
by garrettelliott on Jul 7, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
can’t wait to see just how big his chin has gotten in the off-season…you think his mom is there with Delonte?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Maybe somebody'll throw a punch
I’d pay to watch Beasley caber toss the Rooster into the stands.
Maybe this is their plan to make basketball really popular again. People started watching again when it the Celtics/Lakers, maybe some Heat/Knicks nostalgia will pick up some fans, too.
And don’t give me any of this “TEH KNICKS NEARLY DESTORYED BADITBALL AS WE KNEW IT” bullshit. Two teams that despise each other. Hatred’s not pretty.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 7, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope
the fucker signs with NY. It is the least likely destination for him to win a championship. I, for one, will dance a thousand naked, drunken irish jigs for every championship he fails. If he signs with NY, that’s a pretty much guaranteed nude MP dance each summer.
Everyone wins.
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i hope
he stays, suffers, and never wins a championship as Cleveland’s own “Champion of Me” as Adrian Wojnarowski so nicely put it.
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 7, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
he should definitely grow his hair back out… And taper down that Miles Austin smile.
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 7, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ray Allen re-signs with Boston, a 2 years, 20 million contract.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Wow, they really overpaid for him
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 7, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, math geeks...
The cap is set at $58.04 million. How does that affect the Pistons and the MLE, if at all?
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67957/20100708/report_lebron_to_pick_miami_heat/#
Welp, there it is. I now officially hate the Miami Heat.
Shit
I fucking hate how everybody in the NBA is friends with each other.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 8, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember this coming up before and a lot of DBB saying there was no chance of this happening.
Well, it looks like it’s gonna happen and it looks like the East is locked up for the next 4-5 years.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 8, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope Wade blows out his knee, or something
This is seriously horrible for basketball. No one team should have a monopoly on talent like this, and to do it through free agency is fucking ridiculous. If the NBA just turns into a, “teams clear a bunch of cap space and win through randomly getting superstar free agents who conspire to play together,” then what fucking fun is that? I seriously hope LA, or even an up-and-comer like OKC curb-stomps the shit out of LeBron and Co. Seriously, FUCK THEM. FUCK ALL OF THEM. Where is Teddy Roosevelt when you need him? We need a trust buster!
And you know what’s the worst part of it? MIAMI IS A HORRIBLE BASKETBALL TOWN. Their fans blow! And he’s breaking Cleveland’s heart for them??? They don’t even sell out fucking playoff games!!! Fuck them and their fair-weather, disinterested fans. Fuck their shitty uniforms, their bullshit title in ’06 that the refs stole from the Mavs, and fuck Pat Reilly.
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 8, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, and fuck LeBron -- who's an even bigger attention whore than Lady Gaga
If he showed 1/100 of the class or loyalty Durant showed today with his extension — particularly in eschewing a player option for a guaranteed 5th year in OKC — I might have some inkling of respect for him, but he doesn’t even come close. The league needs guys like Durant, and even Kobe Bryant, but it does NOT need attention-hogging, huddle-dancing, jackass man-children fucking with and fucking over entire cities on a whim like he’s fucking Caeser. If LeBron goes to Miami I will loathe him more than I have ever loathed any NBA player — even Garnett and Pierce!
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 8, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair...
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
Honestly, I can't really fault James if he believes it presents the best opportunity to succeed.
Yes, it sucks for a lot of fanbases to miss out on the LeBron sweepstakes but quite frankly it was stupid to bank everything you have on free agency. Teams were going to get burned, and multiple teams. New York put everything in the “let’s get LeBron” basket, dealing away multiple picks and players for the luxury of overpaying Amar’e Stoudemire. Forget Miami, fuck New York and like who’s willingness to overpay is what will lead to the inevitable strike.
The truth of the matter is that all three of these guys are actually going to take paycuts to play together. Which, to LeBron’s credit, means it wasn’t all about the money (he could make more staying with Cleveland or even going to the Nets or Knicks). They believe that the three of them could win a championship together so they’re going to do it, even on a little less money.
I must say, I always had a suspicion that one team was going to come out a clear-cut winner. I didn’t see LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all choosing different teams (though I didn’t see them all choosing the same one). One team was going to end up a lot better, and several teams were going to overpay for second tier free agents.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 8, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's not so much the dumbass teams like New York getting screwed
But Cleveland deserves so much better than this. If you draft a guy like LeBron and he’s on 60-win teams, he shouldn’t fucking abandon you and basically fix the league for 4-5 years in the process. Jordan would never have done it, nor would Bird, Magic, Isaiah, Duncan, or even Kobe (who only demanded a trade when he was in his prime surrounded by the likes of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Chucky Atkins). Durant would never fuck OKC the way LeBron did Cleveland. That team is done. It’s going to take them a LONG time to recover from this.
It’s also the trust aspect of this. It’s a talent monopoly, which is kind of OK if it’s built through shrewd moves (good drafts, trades, etc.), but what has Miami done to earn this? They fielded mediocre teams that consistently flamed out in the first round, and struck out on the only major decision (Beasley) they had post-title. But, none of that matters, because the best player in the league and a top 20 guy just fucking fell into their laps. I LOVE THIS GAME!!!!!!!!11111fjklaskdjad (fainted from rage)
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 8, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Two 60 win seasons, but two post-season flame-outs.
And does Cleveland have the assets to make the move to improve? I think he saw the writing on the walls: that Cleveland went as far as it could. LeBron didn’t fuck over Cleveland, everyone and their dog knew that LeBron was going to strongly consider leaving. He has to do what’s best for himself and his career.
As for Miami making shrewd moves, they did. They’ve done a great job clearing cap space to add three near max free agents, thus increasing their chances of luring the top 3 free agents. It was a three man band and Miami was the only team that could offer them each membership. This is ultimately WHY this all went down.
Don’t assume that this just “fell in their laps.” Their GM is Pat Riley, one of the best minds in basketball. This wasn’t pure happenstance, this was planned more than likely and executed flawlessly. I don’t see Riley as the type to put all his eggs in one basket without thinking there’s a good chance it’ll work.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 8, 2010 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
thats kinda bullshit though
its not a brilliant move to trade away every competitive player and just field a crap team with wade carrying them. it makes the game into a sham. the heat might as well have forfeited the first round since it was a joke that they even got there in the first place. Pat Riley is hardly a shrewd genius.
They didn't really trade away every competitive player.
The only really good player they lost was Shaq, and everyone knew he was on the way down.
Moves like Marion/Banks for Jermaine O’Neal was a great move: upgrade the frontcourt (which shows how weak it was before) and eliminate Banks final year (which would have been $4 million for 2010-2011).
Cook/18th for the 32nd is really smart, too. Clear some more capspace and swap out a guaranteed for unguaranteed contract (and the talent difference isn’t too huge).
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 8, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
1) I’ve always thought Mike Brown was a complete claimer as a coach. How he got this job coaching the Cavs is a mystery to me. You or I could’ve coached the Cavs to 60 wins.
2) Riles is sharp, no doubt. Concur there.
3) Some bad news for the Heat. They still aren’t better than the Lakers in a 7-game playoff series, and my money is on OKC just owning the league in 2-3 years. They have stars, they’re deep and they’re young.
by V. on Jul 11, 2010 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It's still annoying from the fan standpoint
Now the media isn’t going to shut up about this for four or five months, and there’s going to be two/three teams dominating the league. It’s just bullshit, but I seriously don’t think it will work. Lebron and Wade can’t coexist the same way you can’t have Lennon and McCartney in a band together. Sure, they win a title or two, but somebody’s gonna get jealous, and there’s gonna be a nasty breakup with Wade getting custody of Bosh.
What’s annoying about it is Miami put up shitty product for a few years to get great product. It’s just artificial.
I used to hate Cleveland but holy damn. Time to extend an olive branch.
Oh, and here’s another thing. People used to give Kobe shit about only winning because of Shaq. Lebron James better get that same shit Kobe got. It’s only fair. In fact, it’s even worse: Kobe had to have a top 20 player all time to win his first three titles. Lebron had to have a top 50 and a second banana to win his first one. Who’s the better player now?
The thing that kills me about Lebron is it’s all about the money. Kobe, as big of a dickhead as he is, just wants to win. I’m sure Lebron wants to win too, but if Lebron could become a billionaire by not winning, he’d do it. Dude’s shameless. The only reason he’s going onto this big three thing is because he’s an attention whore, and now he’s getting a ton because it’s gonna be “Who’s the man in Miami? Can they coexist?” You know he wants to be the guy on a team that takes the last shot. But instead, he’s gonna take a pay cut and watch his star rise.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 8, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
How can it be all about the money
When he turned down MORE money from other places? Cleveland could offer the most, New York he would have been bigger than ever and his jersey sales would have set records (as now he will be competing the Bosh and to a lesser extend Wade in Miami) and he would have made even more in endorsements going with New York. Honestly, this route, to me, shows a great commitment to winning than anywhere else. As for Cleveland, they’re not the first nor the last team to lose a superstar (Orlando anyone?). It’s extremely tough, but you rebuild and move on. A lot of teams do this.
And keep in mind what Miami did, ALL these teams did. Put up inferior products in an attempt to luck out in 2010. I don’t feel sorry for any of these teams. A lot of teams do this every year, though usually their goal is a draft pick more than free agency.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 8, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Your logic flies hard against my annoyance
I’m just venting really.
This still sucks though.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 8, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh it sucks.
It really, really, really sucks.
Oh God does it suck. I had nightmares about this shit but thought the worst would be something like Wade, Lee, and Gay or something. I never thought the three best free agents would end up in the same place. I didn’t think LeBron’s ego would allow it.
I figured he’d rather be alone on New York getting all the attention rather than sharing it with anyone else.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 8, 2010 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not just the money he'd lose on his contract.
New York offered him the most projected money it terms of endorsements and what not.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 8, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck the Miami Threet.
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by TDP on Jul 8, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I bet RealGM is wrong and LBJ stays put in Cleveland or goes to Chicago. I don’t think his ego will allow him to be one of three superstars.
thats what im feeling too
i dont think he will stay in cleveland but i dont think he’s going to the heat either.
So what's the lineup?
Chalmers
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Vet minimum Center
Bench: Beasley
They’ll need a bunch of dead-eye shooters like Steve Novak that can be had for cheap.
I’m guessing they’ll get players like Jason Williams, maybe Carlos Arroyo. Wouldn’t surprise me if AI and Tmac joined them.
- Beasley
I actually saw someone breaking it down on ESPN last night, and it seems to make this work Miami has to trade Beasley and his $5M to make LeBron fit.
Sooo… yeah. It would be “the 3” plus Mario Chalmers. They couldn’t even field a team at this point.
I’m not convinced that these three guys automatically win it all. When the rest of the roster is supposed to be vet minimum players on discount, I don’t think this will work for a couple of reasons.
1. Despite the fact that Wade has said he feels like Lebron’s game compliments his game (WTF?), I don’t think two guys who need the ball in their hands can be as effective together as they can apart.
2. Didn’t we see this exact same kind of shit in L.A. in 2003-4? Wasn’t Shaq/Kobe/Payton/Malone supposed to destroy the league and win a championship easily? As I recall, they didn’t have enough help to make that work out, and there were 4 of them.
3. Where’s the defense? Bosh doesn’t play it. LeBron prefers to defend the most worthless player on the court so he can get tons of weak-side blocks and look like a better defender than he is as well as avoiding foul trouble. Wade is a good defender, but he gambles on steals a lot too, and without that interior presence, that’s going to get riskier.
Unless we’re all ready to turn in our DBB cards and claim that All-Star basketball > Team basketball, then I’m not worried about this move being the death-nell of competitive basketball.
by Big Z in Orlando on Jul 8, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That might be our best hope:
AI signs in Miami for the vet minimum and destroys their team in a flurry of WTFallaways.
by Quick Darshan on Jul 8, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Alright, I’ve got an idea. Can we NOT have an LBJ thread tonight?
I think part of my Pistons fan soul will die a little bit if we’ve got a dedicated thread for that arrogant SOB. I know it’s a big deal for the NBA as a whole, so if I’m alone on this, I’m okay with that. Just putting it out there.
by brgulker on Jul 8, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I won’t be watching.
Curb Your Enthusiasm re-runs are TV Guide Network at 9 PM ET.
I like my coffee how I like my coffee... recursive.
by TDP on Jul 8, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
How about a "Wipeout" thread.
Hell, I’d probably rather watch Glee than the lebrons.
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 8, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I would, too.
But that’s because I love that show.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 8, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Good call.
I’m going to be helping a friend move (let’s hope the rain stops), then grilling some burgers and watching Serenity. No spoilers, guys, I haven’t seen it.
Toronto offers Kleiza a four year $20 mil offer sheet, Denver has 7 days to match
Kleiza > Turkoglu especially considering contracts.
I won't say this often...
But Simmons has a pretty entertaining piece on ESPN right now about LBJ and free agency: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100708
Sort of feel guilty plugging it, but I think there are enough legit criticisms of LBJ and this whole process to make it worth it.
Definitely a good read
Although I was pretty annoyed that Chris Paul wasn’t listed as a first tier superstar. His last two healthy seasons, he averaged 18(!) win-shares per season, with a clearly inferior supporting cast to Kobe, Howard, Durant, LeBron (the past two seasons), Melo, Nash, Deron, Dirk, and Brandon Roy. Seriously, people do NOT appreciate how good Chris Paul is…
I’m all on board with the “Chris Bosh is not a superstar,” argument. He hasn’t done a thing in Toronto (again, with a better supporting cast than Paul), his game is too dependent on jump-shooting, and he plays average defense at best. Big men I would rather have than Bosh: Howard, Duncan, Dirk, Gasol, Yao, Bogut, Nene, Horford, and David Lee — especially because those last 4 guys aren’t crippling my cap flexibility like Bosh does with his max deal (which he is NOT worth).
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 8, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Outlaw to the Nets
Wow
Drafted in the first round by Portland in 2003, Outlaw has averaged 9.5 points and 3.4 rebounds in seven NBA seasons.
If that doen’t scream $7 mil a year, I don’t know what does. Watch our for New Jersey, they are a team on the rise!
good thing they traded away CDR
for a player of such production-to-cost.
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by Mike Payne on Jul 8, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Little this. This is basically full MLE money (even though NJ is well below the cap). We gave Charlie slightly more than MLE.
It's really close to CV's deal
and it’s slightly above the MLE. The full, mid-level for this year is set a little over $33 mil.
Lot’s of reports had CV’s contract at 5/35, but I think it’s since been determined it was slightly higher.
How were we supposed to know Jermaine O'Neal would get hurt?
And that Ray Allen’s ankles would finally give out on him, and KG’s knee, and that Paul Pierce would actually get hurt instead of just faking it in the most exaggerated way possible?
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 8, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
But, we weren't exactly fielding a team of dinosaurs last year
Blaming injuries is always lame, but when you field a bunch of way-past-their-prime and/or injury-riddled players it makes blaming the injuries even more lame. Celtics lame.
These signings are getting beyond bizarre
It’s going to be really interesting as negotiations continue for the next CBA. The owners are going to cry about losing money and the players are going to bring a framed copy of this years free agent signings to every negotiation.
thank god we didnt give out that contract. fucking stupid move cuban.
this is what im talking about though, these mediocre dudes are going to get big bucks this year. sit on the MLE if you cant get a sensible deal.
Good link from straightbangin'
Joey talks about why Lebron going to Miami is horrible. This is the piece that this news is always going to be linked with in my mind. It’s pure anger about it. Probably because he’s a Knicks fan.
http://straightbangin.blogspot.com/2010/07/chaining-day-has-arrived.html
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 8, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Loved this
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
Wouldn't that mean hey're out of the running for Lebron?
Didn’t they need to give up their rights to Lee in order to have the cap space to sign Lebron? Once signed, Lee is on the books.
Lee to GS is a good thing.
It makes this scenario possible:
David Lee goes to Oakland, where he grows bored and miserable. He becomes Facebook friends with DeMarcus Cousins, then starts driving to Sacramento on the weekends so they can hang out. One thing leads to another, Cousins and Lee do something controversial, and they get cut by their respective teams. Joe Dumars offers them contracts with the Pistons, and they accept. In the offseason they have second careers as actors starring in buddy films.
by -PS- on Jul 8, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
exxxxxxxxxxcellent
everything is going according to plan… wrings hands mischeivously
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who are they sign and trading for? i thought lee was going to be part of the STAT S&T thats supposedly going on.
Wasn't Anthony Randolph also involved?
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
-The Monarch
BOLD PREDICTION
If this happens, Anthony Randolph will win Most Improved.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 8, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Miller for worst contract of the offseason?
Supposedly the Clippers are offering him $9 million a year. Nothing about length.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 8, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
I'd rather pay Johnson the max than Miller anywhere near 8 figures.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 8, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
funny enough
if you give Miller the same usage rate (especially number of attempts) as Johnson, Miller is pretty much the same kind of player. He’s a much more efficient shooter, a better defender and they’re only a year apart. Miller for $8 million is a lot more sensible than Johnson for the max.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=HyZXP
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WojYahooNBA
Ryan Gomes has signed a three year, $12 million contract with the Clippers, his agent, Bob Myers, tells Y! Sports.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Heat acquire Mike Miller
Source here: http://nbaroundtable.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/mike-miller-signs-with-miami/
Another one here: http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2010-07-09/sports/sfl-miami-heat-michael-beasley-s070810_1_joel-anthony-heat-s-summer-camp-heat-president-pat-riley
Miller is the absolutely perfect player type for them. Efficient, doesn’t need the ball to be effective, spaces the floor. Wow, just wow.
Well, that was unexpected. It’ll be really valuable if they can convince Miller to take shots, which he hasn’t done that much in the last couple of years.
i wonder if they start miller at the 2
and Wade at the 1. They’d be 6’4", 6’8", 6’8", 6’10" and whatever to start.
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Perfect. The Pistons can beat that.
Stuckey/Daye/Jerebko/CV/Monroe = 6’5", 6’11", 6’10", 6’11", and 6’11"
We will match up great!
WE'RE LONGER AND SMOOTHER THAN ANYONE!
We’re like a combination of and anaconda and Damon Jones fashion sense…LONG AND SMOOTH.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
they could put in any random d-leaguer
And they would still win 55 games, perhaps 60 if they can get decent bench players to give their stars more than a 6 minute break every game. I wouldn’t be shocked if this team breaks the 70 win barrier in only 2 years
by bearded thundar on Jul 9, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck.
Miller takes them one step closer to being totally dominant.
I’m still trying to keep myself convinced that Bosh will be the weak link. A Wade/Miller/Lebron is the most insane perimeter core possibly ever though… Yikes.
Teams are really going to need to start stockpiling productive and bruising bigs- both to match up against the Lakers, and it’s looking like that will be the only chink in the armor of the Heat.
The pride of Mitchell, SD.
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by TDP on Jul 9, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bulls are putting together a really nice teams.
I think they’re going to be good next year.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Who takes the last shot
Korver or Redick?
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 10, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Wesley Matthews signs 5 year, $34 mill offer sheet with Portland
This is important for us if Utah doesn’t match, because Hamilton should be very much in play there.
Interesting...
How would Memo work as our Center?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
We could package Tay, Rip, and either Max or Wilcox for Memo and AK-47
not sure whether Utah would be down for that though…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Utah could use Max
They really, really need big man depth now that Boozer is gone. This actually makes a whole lot of sense for them, because they need someone to guard Kobe effectively (Tay clowned him in the ‘04 finals), a non-ball dominant shooting guard (Rip), and big man depth (Maxiell). Not sure why they’d give us Memo, though. I don’t think they want to start Fesenko or, god forbid, Kosta Koufos.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 11, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
This is really, really dumb
I’m assuming Portland is just fucking with Utah, like they did when they made an offer for Millsap, but this deal is horrible, and there’s no way Utah matches it. He’d be making almost as much as Millsap, and that’s SO far outside of what his value is (probably $3.5-$4 million/yr). Stupid, stupid, stupid. Pritchard would never be retarded enough to do something this fucking dumb. The curse of Pritch begins! (probably)
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 11, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The Knicks' contract for Ray Felton is actually pretty great?
I mean, about $7 million/yr for 2 years + a team option is a steal in this spend-gasm of an offseason. Aside from signing Amar’e (David Lee is better/younger/less injury-prone), I kind of like what they’re doing. Felton/Azubuike/Gallinari/Randolph/Amar’e is a fairly solid starting 5, and they’ll have Toney Douglas, Ronny Turiaf, and Wilson Chandler coming off the bench. I could see them winning 40-45 games. Their depth would be even better if they hadn’t totally boned the Jared Jeffries trade and given up Jordan Hill (6 and 5 in 15 mpg for Houston) and those future draft picks. Morey LeBron clown-danced all over Donnie Walsh on that one.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
Wait, it's more like $8 million per
But Wes Matthews is going to be making $7 million/yr, so it’s still a pretty great deal — especially with the team option.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 11, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I read I think Hollinger talking about the deal, and it’s another front loaded contract with Matthews possibly making $9 mil the first year.
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 11, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
that guy tore it up in the d-league
He has star potential if he gets enough minutes under D’Antoni’s system
by bearded thundar on Jul 11, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn! Can't believe I forgot him!
I love me some Bill Walker. He was great for them last year.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 11, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Toronto - Charlotte trade in the works
A source has told The Score that the Toronto Raptors and Charlotte Bobcats are in the process of finalizing a deal that will send point guard Jose Calderon and expiring contracts to the Charlotte Bobcats in exchange for Boris Diaw and Tyson Chandler. Sources could not confirm that the trade call has been made to the league as final details are still being worked out. Sources say the expiring contract of Reggie Evans is believed to be going to Charlotte with Calderon.
http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2010/07/12/colangelo-busy-making-moves-evolving-not-rebuilding/
what?
Don’t they have Augustin? Seems like another perplexing move by LB
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
you forgot the part where he begins flirting with other teams during said season and ultimately leaves for another team with his former team in shambles...
Detroit was the exception to this of course….
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Augustin was HORRIBLE last season
And they’ve got guys (Stephen Jackson, Gerald Wallace, Tyrus Thomas) that can compensate for Calderon’s defensive inadequacies. I really, really like this deal for Charlotte. They desperately need some offense, and Calderon fits the bill perfectly. I just wonder who they’ll play at Center. Ratliff again, maybe?
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 12, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He got elbowed in the face by Garnett last season!
by garrettelliott on Jul 12, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
he's relevant to orlando's matching chi's offer to redick
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 12, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
but that's such a major downgrade
Reddick is a far better player IMO, not to mention much younger
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Reddick’s a better shooter, Q’s a better rebounder. They’re comparable players at their respective positions — useful shooters, beyond that, not much else.
Reddick is more than just a shooter now
He’s become a good defender and ball handler; I don’t think there’s any question that he’s greatly improved since he came into the league
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s improved dramatically. No doubt. But this strikes me as pretty much a lateral move by the Magic. Q’s older, I guess that would be the only criticism I can come up with.
Losing Reddick's not too bad for them
They can just play Pietrus more minutes, which is hardly a bad thing. Matching that contract would be dumb.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 12, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Reddick > Richardson
Q-Rich is overrated and washed up. There’s no comparison between the two. JJ can create off the dribble now, can run around screens and shoot off the move, and has deep range. Q-Rich can’t create for himself, can’t run, and can only hit stand-still shots. Huge downgrade.
You can't reap the reward if you don't first take the risk.
by Retiredat23 on Jul 13, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
An article on Ball Don’t Lie today suggested Q Rich is more a replacement for Barnes than Reddick … I hadn’t thought of that.
that would make some more sense
But Barnes is still the better player
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Mahini to the Mavs
Another DBB favorite bites the dust: http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=5374037&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines
Hopefully he gets some minutes
He’ll be good, I think.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 12, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I can understand the Suns going after one of them, not both. That gives them four decent small forwards, plus Richardson could play SF in a pinch, too. Odd. Also, Turkoglu’s contract is awful.
Maybe they think that with their training staff
And the influence of Nash (who’s a diet/workout freak), his age won’t be as much of an issue. If that’s the case, given the way people are being signed now, his contract’s not too bad.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 12, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Haslem is staying in Miami
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT. They need great role players, and that’s EXACTLY what he is. FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
hometown is part of it
Instant championship is a bigger reason
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Not if Art has anything to say about it.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Good for Haslem. He’s from Miami, and has played on some really crappy Heat teams as well as their championship one. He seems like a great teammate. Except for that time he threw his mouth piece and got a T.
by garrettelliott on Jul 12, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I really like Haslem
And that’s unfortunate, because I’m going to have to force myself to say mean things about him this year.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Haslem is a pick and roll player
Good for him for signing for less money to win a championship. And good for Derek Fisher for trying to finish what he started with the Lakers. Should be a fun NBA years. Playoffs teams from the EAST should go as follows:
1.Miami
2.Boston
3.Orlando
4.Atlanta
5.Chicago
6.Milwaukee
7.New York Knicks
8.Detroit
You can't reap the reward if you don't first take the risk.
They'll average 137 points per game but let up 138...
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jul 13, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
don't think that's possible though
Even the original 7 seconds or less Suns averaged something like 112 ppg but only gave up 105 despite their complete ignorance of defense. To be quite honest, it would be actually very difficult to give up 140 ppg.
And yes I know you were being sarcastic, I’m just saying not all teams can score over 100 ppg consistently and that’s why NY and Miami may very well be 50 game winners without any defensive play. If you can consistently put up 110-115 ppg (I believe the Suns actually averaged 120 ppg after Amare got injured – go figure) then you really can’t lose unless if you just let the other team get layup after layup.
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised if Miami is a good defensive team next year. LeBron and Haslem are both good defenders. Wade gambles too much, but he’s not bad overall.
If they end up with Ilgauskas at C
Then Wade will be able to gamble all he wants…not saying that Bosh/Ilgauskas is a stout defensive frontcourt, but they’re long, tall, and active enough to be able to manage the interior.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Ilgauskas is aging pretty rapidly
And his lateral movement is pretty much non-existent. He’d get clowned by any decent offensive front court, and the Heat would likely be up against guys like Dwight, Bogut, Boozer, Amar’e, and Horford in the playoffs. Honestly, I think they’re better off seeing what Pittman can do. He’s like 300 lbs, so at the very least he’s a wide body they can put on Dwight (a la Perkins).
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Wade's a far better defender than LeBron
Bron has the ability to be one of the best defenders in the league, but even Cleveland fans are the first to admit that he choses the opponent’s weakest offensive player. Just look at how many fouls per game he averages; he does that to stay on the floor as long as possible. I recall the Laker game in Cleveland, and even though the Cavs won, LeBron never guarded Kobe until the final minutes where as Kobe took turns guarding him.
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
When it’s all said and done, I bet Miami brings in the right complementary pieces to make them a top-5 defensive team. Maybe not this year, but eventually.
I'm sure they will
Reportedly they have tons of veterans lined up to get on the instant-championship wagon.
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say top 5 is a stretch
Not unless they bring in an elite post defender to put next to Bosh, and it’s unlikely they can get that for the MLE.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
you're forgetting about winning team discount
People do that all the time, veterans looking for a ring will take less money to win instantly. Recent obvious example would Red Wings got Housa for next to nothing just after he lost in the NHL Finals to them (and ironically he was one of the reasons why they lost to his former team the following year)
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
not a fair example imo
Wade and LeBron are nice defenders, but not great (though LeBron has become a very good weakside shot blocker). Bosh is just a weak defender in general.
Pippen, Rodman and Jordan were all elite defenders, and that’s why they won 72 games – supreme defense plus great scorer
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a horrible argument
Kerr, Kukoc, Harper, Longly, Wennington, and Buechler are light years ahead of anything the Heat will be able to build. I mean, Kerr put up a 141(!!!) Ortg for the 72-win Bulls. Mike Miller dreams of being that good.
Oh, and that’s not even counting the contributions Jordan/Pippen got from Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, and John Paxon during their first run. Those guys were a 50-ish win team, even without Jordan.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, wait, wait...
I’m not arguing the Heat will ever achieve what the Bulls did. I’m with you, Thom, I think the role players on the Bulls were amazing players.
All I’m saying is that it’s possible to have 3 core guys and assemble a seemingly random hodge podge of players that become highly effective in the right situation and system.
I don’t think that happens in Miami next year, personally, but I think it’s well within the realm of possibility within 2-3.
And those of you who’ve knocked LBJ’s competitive nature and arguing that he’s taking the easy way out, IMO, I think we’re about to see how competitive and driven he really is, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
My mistake, then.
I feel like they’ll win at least one title, which saddens me. Hard not to with those three guys and the MLE (if it doesn’t get eliminated in the new CBA).
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
they don't have the MLE this season
You can’t have the MLE unless if you are over the cap going into July 1st
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant in future seasons
It’d really suck if they did have the MLE this year.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
anything's possible
Many teams are in shambles because of free agency.
Felton, Walker, Azubuike/Chandler, Randolph and Amare under D’Antoni = explosive offense. I doubt they ever win a title unless if they get Melo or CP3 next year, but they will win more games than people expect.
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I really like that team.
I think I’m repeating myself from somewhere in this thread, but they’ve got really solid depth with Toney Douglas, Bill Walker, Wilson Chandler (who I would trade), and Turiaf. Surprised you didn’t mention Gallinari, who is absolutely going to be a starter for them. He showed some serious balls last year taking on Carmelo at the garden, and he’s incredibly skilled. He actually plays some D, too, and gets a lot of perimeter blocks.
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-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I do like Gallinari as a spot up wing
should have put him in for starting SF
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
"Despite their complete ignorance of defense"
Why do people always say this? Yes, Phoenix had guys (Steve Nash and Barbosa, in particular) who aren’t very good defenders, but they also had one of the NBA’s best defensive players in Shawn Marion, and solid guys like Kurt Thomas, Raja Bell, and (pre-injury) Amar’e. Their points scored and allowed were largely due to their intensely ramped up pace. That doesn’t mean they didn’t play defense. Not to say they were a great defensive team or anything, but they were at least middle of the pack defensively.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
middle of the pack?
They averaged giving up something like anywhere 103-107 ppg
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that was because of the pace they played at
More possessions = more points. Their team d-ratings were consistently in the middle of the pack.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Utah/Detroit Trade Scenario
With Utah having just traded for Al Jefferson and a very strong possibility that they won’t want to match the offer sheet that Wesley matthews received from Portland it seems like they have a lot of money committed to their frontcourt, and a pretty big hole at SG so how about the following:
- Rip
- Tay
- Summers (only offer Summers if they’re unwilling to do it for rip and tay)
For
- Memo
- AK47
Utah gets a SG that will benefit greatly from Deron Williams, Williams is happy that Utah acquires a near top-tier SG in Rip Hamilton.
Okur is actually a reasonable defender (104 d rating last year) and Kirilenko would solve our SF problems if Jerebko can’t carry the load himself.
Tay certainly provides a similar player type as AK was in Utah but I’d argue he’s more dependable…
Thoughts?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
you could do
Rip for AK47 directly as even with him off the books Utah would still be either at or above the cap.
However I doubt they trade Memo, just look at their roster. Beyond him, Jefferson and Milsap, the only guy that can play pf/c on a routine basis is Koufos and it’s not like he’s all that experienced. In other words, they can’t really afford to have any injuries as is, if you take away Memo they’re dangerously thin.
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
They were playing Fesenko over Koufos
So I wouldn’t have too much confidence in him, either. Maybe we could get them to take Maxiell?
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-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Maxiell or Wilcox both work in this deal
and I’d give up either one of them if it meant bringing Memo back to this team.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Maxiell is superfluous at this point, anyway.
I love him, but I think we need to unload him — and I’d love to see him to go to a fantastic team like Utah.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No problem...sign and trade Art
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Reduce that to just Hamilton for Memo and we may have a trade
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 13, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Works out...
Depends entirely on Utah’s confidence in their bigs (Fesenko and Koufos)…and odds are they wouldn’t really care about Tay since they just drafted Hayward (he’s a SF ain’t he?)
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
An injured Memo, no. But he’s a rotation big stop gap that gets us out of Rip’s deal. Is that what people are thinking?
yeah i mean other than getting out from rips deal
memo is pretty much exactly the opposite of the “ben wallace” stopper that we all want.
I actually didn't realize he was injured when I proposed the trade
but when is he due back? he’s got 1 year left on his contract after this season, so he’d be expiring going into the first free agency post CBA…if he can recover from his ACL tear, then that would put us in a good spot to re-sign him.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I think they could still use Tay
Hayward is a rookie, so gambling completely on him — especially with their status as a contender — would be pretty dumb. Tay is an expiring deal, so they could win now and eventually hand the reigns over to Hayward if he actually ends up being any good.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
utah just traded for al jefferson
the price? apparently its two first round picks.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5376884
this guy probably could have helped the pistons. was two first round picks too steep?
no but the literall cost was
The Pistons couldn’t afford his salary; Utah got him out of a cap exception (from Boozer leaving) but we refused to center a trade around anyone but Rip Hamilton, which mean no financial relief for Minnesota.
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
oh nevermind
utah had a trade exception as well. pretty good move by them. dunno how big al will move on the pick and roll with deron but at least they replaced boozers low post game.
Millsap can handle the pick and roll just fine
And when we trade Rip, Tay, and Max for Okur and AK, they’ll have Max to run pick and rol las well!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
i don’t really understand… Millsap was phenomenal as a starter and really just average off the bench. why sign another starting PF?
because they don't have anyone else
Most contenders have 3 solid bigs, and they only had Milsap (Memo is coming off a major injury and Koufos is an unknown)
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
probably does
But I’m 95% sure they’re going to let AK47 expire and give him at most the MLE
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
correct
He is an expiring contract right now, but Utah is too small of a market for them to turn him into a better asset
by bearded thundar on Jul 14, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh...
Given our odds of being mediocre/missing the playoffs again next year, I would say that there is a good chance it could be too steep.
I think the question you have to ask yourself is what would you rather have:
A) A defensive liability big who is somewhat repetitive of the big we just drafted or
B) 2 long, smooth, combo guards who can really stroke it.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
yeah i dont really want jefferson
i mis read the article at first, i thought they just gave up two picks for him which would have been a steal. then i saw the trade exception part. so not that good of a deal.
I disagree, it's still a great deal
I can’t really think of anyone else that they could have actually gotten with that exception that they would even want except for Vince.
Now do I think they’ll be as good as before? Probably not, Boozer was just as good of a scorer but a better defender
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a better defender by much
And Jefferson has the chance to be a much better defensive player if coached properly. He has the size, and he does block a few shots (which I’m not going to pretend = good D). Sloan will turn him into at least an average defender.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Boozer is the better player by a nice margin IMO
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boozeca01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jeffeal01.html
in Minnesota Jefferson had a d-rating of 108 all 3 years; in the past 3 years Boozer has a d-rating of 103. Also Boozer has had a better offensive rating by quite a margin, including back in his Cleveland days when he had awful teammates
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Utah is going to miss Boozer more than they think. Every time I watched a Utah game he was a monster, using his strength and speed (he’s surprisingly fast) to grab boards and get to open spots on the floor. And for a guy pegged as kind of a mercenary, he sure seemed to love his team mates and winning games in Utah.
by garrettelliott on Jul 14, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Next question:
Would you offer up part of the MLE to Shaq for say 2 years with the 2nd year being unguaranteed? Or do you think this is counter-productive to the development of our existing team (eg – makes us good enough to get into the playoffs but not good enough to actually compete)
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
counterproductive
shaq wants the whole mle from i saw last week, though that might have changed. seems kinda pointless to bring him in anyways. lets just not sign any FA’s this off season
even if we got him for the vet's minimum
I wouldn’t want him. He’s been terrible for team chemistry ever since he left LA (I think Kobe had as much to do with that fallout as Shaq, so somewhat of a pass there) and quite frankly is just a bad player at this point. Cleveland was much better with Big Z than Shaq, and it was completely obvious (no need to look at the stat sheet)
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, they fell apart after that, though
Remember the tankapalooza Heat?
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Pat Riley was the head coach for the title
Chemistry = fail under anyone else, especially under SVG (got coach fired)
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm okay with that
that would give us the financial flexibility next off-season to sign Gasol…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
maybe, depends on CBA
But as we stand now, if bring back Bynum and use the full MLE, that adds around $11 mil to our budget (due to Will’s early bird rights). Meaning that we’ll be right back at the cap line when Tay expires under the current CBA.
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
*forgot to mention
If we do the trade, when Damp expires we have around $10 mil under current rules, but likely only MLE like money under the new rules. However the new rules could also benefit us and mean players will have to sign for less money
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
They’re already paying Stephen Jackson plenty of money.
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Jackons is a 3 by default
And was only shifted to the 2 because of how talented Gerald Wallace is. And knowing LB, he may force a trade because he likes Rip back from his Piston days
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Would Wallace move back to the 4?
He already said he doesn’t want to play there anymore.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 13, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
doubt it
But Rip is a better player than Jackson in terms of net performance, so it may be more beneficial to them to bring Jackson off the bench and let him roll against the other teams’ second units
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope not
He’s such a lock down on ball defender that playing him at the 4 makes no sense — especially with Tyrus Thomas there.
Wallace is so absurdly underrated. If he played in Boston or LA, we’d never stop hearing about him. His contract is super reasonable, too.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 13, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone get the feeling we're just waiting for someone to make an offer to Will Bynum?
May as well. If someone wants to overpay him, let them.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 13, 2010 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
I've thought that for a while
But I’m not nearly as high on WB than most here
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
At the right price, bring him back.
But may as well see if anyone makes him an offer. Because if no one does, he could come back for real cheap.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 13, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
after reading a lil truehoop article about how houston handles RFA's
i hope that joe d reads it too.
JoD has already stated that he is going to wait on Bynum
He stated he wanted to let the market decide Bynum’s value rather than just overbidding up front…maybe he’s learning from mistakes?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jul 14, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Big Z. is going to Miami too.
Talk about kicking the Cleavland fans while they’re down. Ouch!
Practice safe sex. Go fuck yourself !
Didn’t they give him an awesome paid vacation and then a nice welcome back for a playoff run?
by garrettelliott on Jul 14, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but they inexplicably benched him when he was going to set some Cavs record. I forget what it was.
that was because Mike Brown vs Shaq
I don’t think it was anything personal towards Big Z. I really doubt the move had much to do with disliking the organization, if he really hated them he could have left 10 years ago. My bet is that he just followed LeBron to get a title, not to mention they’re reportedly great friends (Z was about LeBron’s only real teammate his first few years).
by bearded thundar on Jul 14, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Wha 'bout Darius Miles?
Or Rick Davis? Who could ask for better teammates?
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 14, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
I think it was most career games played by any individual Cav player. He invited family from all over, bought oodles of tickets, and then got a DNP-MBIAFI.
once again, it had more to do with Shaq than anything else
by bearded thundar on Jul 14, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
how does this have more to do with Shaq than anything else?
What Shaq insisted on playing the entire game even though his fat ass can’t handle it? Shaq told Mike Brown not to play Ilgauskas during such a monumental achievement in Z’s career as that?
If you’re the coach of a team, you decide who plays, how long they play for, and what games they’ll play in, not the players. Sure, egos get in the way as do salaries, but ultimately, in a situtation like this, I think it still falls entirely on the coach’s shoulders to make sure that Z gets in the game.
I mean do you think it was a surprise to Mike Brown, Shaq, or any other player on the Cavs team not named Zydrunas that he was going to set the record for most career games played as a Cav on that day? I doubt it…
That said, I’m realy just hoping you can clarify what you mean by it was mostly Shaq if anything else.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jul 14, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you recognize the effect Shaq has on personal
Just look at the Heat or Suns – he’s notorious about turning players and faculty against one an another. I don’t recall where I read it, but reportedly Shaq also had as much to do with LeBron quitting in the playoffs as did his own dislike for Mike Brown
by bearded thundar on Jul 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Right but what is Shaq going to say to Brown
that would result in Brown saying, “ya know what? I’m not going to play the Cavs franchise center, the guy who has done nothing but given everything to this organization because Shaq convinced me its not prudent at this juncture.”?
And if he did say something to convince Brown, then I think the fault is even more heavily placed on Brown’s shoulders for allowing not just Lebron but multiple players influence his rotations.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
once again, it had more to do with Shaq than anything else
How many DNP-CD’s did Z get last season from Mike Brown? M.B. should have known about the record and been in-touch with what was happening with his team. It was a dick move, plain and simple. I don’t care if you start Z then pull him 30 seconds in. You give a guy like him 15 minutes of fame first, then do what you gotta do to get a W.
I guess the only way it wasn’t a dick move (and this seems kind of improbable) was if Grimmace really, truly had no idea about the record.
by garrettelliott on Jul 14, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Denver gets Al Harrington
Are they preparing for Melo to leave or get traded?
Practice safe sex. Go fuck yourself !
I was hoping he was going to Dallas
They would have an incredibly stacked team if Harrington went there, and maybe Dirk would have been able to win his first championship.
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 14, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, NBA teams sure do love their double agents.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 14, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Kobe is just trying to get all the guys he hates on his team so he won’t have to play them. First Artest, then Raja Bell. If this keeps up he might coax Chris Childs out of retirement….
by garrettelliott on Jul 14, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Man
Not only does childs land a right-left combo, he avoids Kobe’s lunging right jab. Seems like he’s had experience fighting.
All the time relaxed.
you can tell by the way he turns his shoulder into the punch on that first throw
that he at the very least has a little experience throwin down.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
his form was much more compact than Kobe's
And thus he was far more in control. Just look at how far Kobe’s arm flails out where as Bell’s straight on (though he should have rolled his wrists imo)
by bearded thundar on Jul 14, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Even though the punches looked good (and were pretty much a direct bullseye in Kobe’s jugular) they didn’t seem to effect him that much. Kobe doesn’t flinch……EVAR.
by garrettelliott on Jul 14, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Now if he would only put his arms up
to, you know, try and make the inbound a little tougher.
Jalen Rose is right
nba players can’t fight
fuck boston
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 14, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I got obsessed with NBA fights for awhile
Barkley was the best at them. He straight up threw Shaq to the ground and then went Wolverine on his ass.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 14, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
utah nabs bell for 3 year, $10 mil
will the lakers go after will bynum now?
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 14, 2010 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
can’t offer him more than the minimum, I don’t think. they were only able to offer bell about 1.8 per. we’d match in a heartbeat
by the89oracle on Jul 14, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
lets hope they go after Bynum then
would save us a bit of cash.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jul 15, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
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