Detroit Summer League Mid-season Report & Game 3 Thread
by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 12, 2010 12:16 PM EDT
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PrintEdit: I have nothing else to add about the game other than the below, so let's use this as an opportunity to discuss the Kings game, which begins at 6:00p ET, and can be seen on NBA TV.
Thus far, the most exciting summer league moment was Mike Abdenour's ejection, which everyone assumes is a summer league first for a trainer. With summer league play half-way over, here's some the rundown.
MVP - Austin Daye
No surprise here. Daye is one of the most established players in the summer league, and these rosters don't have an answer for his length. I'd like to see more efficiency, since his shots have scarcely been contested, but his sophisticated skill set has been a lot of fun to watch. Daye made the case for a rotation spot in his rookie season, but the question the Pistons need to answer is whether he can make Prince expendable.
Rising Stock - DaJuan Summers
He needed to remind the Pistons of why they drafted him, and he has done so with his aggression on offense. He is getting to the line, hustling on defense, and generally doing everything in his power to earn a second look. That said, the question remains, what kind of player is he? Right now, he is an inefficient power forward with a decent perimeter game and some small forward athleticism. His ceiling is energy guy off the bench who provides offense, and his ability to pay multiple positions probably doesn't hurt there.
Earning a roster spot? - Mac Kashwal
He is leading the team in offensive rebounds (3.0 per game) in only 14 mpg. The team might consider finding him some more minutes to see if it's a fluke, but he clearly has a keen eye for rebounds. Not sure if he can match up with NBA bigs, but it's tough to see what more he could do to get a team to take a flier on him.
The Draft Picks
After an inauspicious debut, in which he played passively and accomplished nothing (aside from getting posterized by Derrick Caracter) before becoming winded, Monroe looked much more solid in the second game. The basketball IQ is on display, as we've seen some nice passing and solid low post moves. But conditioning issues are clearly limiting him.
There were at least 2-3 plays per game where he simply should have thrown it down, and just didn't have the ups. If that doesn't change by November, his career may be a non-starter. Hopefully, game one was a wake-up call.
Terrico White
If his goal is to be the next Arron Afflalo, this is a good start. Like Spellcheck, he seems to have a knack for registering nose-bleed percentages in meaningless games, a testament to his hustle and athleticism. The shooting might not translate to the regular season, but the energy and speed certainly will. So far, project "changing minds" has been a brilliant success.
The Rest
Not seeing anyone else landing with the Pistons, but everyone is putting in a decent showing. Edgar Sosa got a bit of press for his five assist game, but that's a function of the press not having much to talk about. Marquez Haynes has looked more than competent, but turned the ball over a bit much in his only outing.
What to Look for Tonight
Greg Monroe's fuel tank: He looked a lot better in game two, but still missed easy shots and bobbled easy rebounds. If he can clean that up, he could have some nice games here.
Kashwal's Kash-in: As I mentioned, I'd like to see more minutes to see what this guy can do. Can he maintain the energy for, say 24 minutes?
Austin Daye: He was really feeling the flow in the second half of the Warriors game. He seems poised to have one of those breakout games that gets everyone talking.
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I think he was arguing about all the rediculous foul calls on JJ
But I’m not positive, I only caught him leaving the building (wasn’t watching the game very closely, Verlander vs Liriano)
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If White could become the next spellcheck, I for one would be thrilled. Thanks for the writeups (Kevin and otherS).
I forgot to DVR the games … nice to hear the perspective on them.
I think he'll be better
I would argue that White has a better jumper than Arron did coming into the league, and both are supposed to be ridiculously hard workers. The key difference is that while they are the same size, White is far more athletic (he can block shots for Pete’s sake) and if he can handle the ball decently, he could be a very valuable combo guard off the bench.
My dream scenario would be that Terrico develops into a poor man’s John Wall as they are basically the same player with different mindsets right now. Same size, same wingspan, same athleticism, about the same jumper – however Wall does have a better knack for scoring and setting up his teammates, skills that can be taught to a good degree but not completely. However my realistic scenario is that White is basically a better version of Gordon minus some of the shooting ability; in other words, a star 6th man that brings lockdown defense.
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
How is White as a lockdown defender?
I know rookies generally have a learning curve to adjust to the skill and pace of NBA athletes and it may be difficult to assess his skill right now. However, how does he look in man to man defense so far?
On a team with so many offensive-minded players, we need a few stoppers, especially off the bench.
Chandra, White had two impressive blocks on jump shots and a couple impressive steals. If he can get some pointers from “pre-injury” Will Bynum, they could emulate the Bulldogs from the 04 team.
It’ll take a couple years to learn the different NBA players but the potential is there.
White’s biggest need is to work on his ballhandling. Even for a shooting guard, it’s poor. You can tell he doesn’t have any confidence in it. If he can improve that, then watch out…
by Quick Darshan on Jul 12, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
The ball handling should come with time though, just look at Rondo and Hill. He’s got a similar build in terms of wingspan, and I don’t think either of them were considered great ball handlers coming into the league.
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
White was known for his defense in college, not offense
He’s basically George Hill with more hops, I think that’s the best comparison I can think of.
Hill has a ridiculous wingspan (White’s 6’9") that allows him to block some shots and steals.
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Like the pick more and more
Now we need to turn the clock back to 2007, back when Joe fleeced Charlotte for the Nazr Mohammed trade… Turn Rip into the 2010’s “Hermann.” However, he’d never get the respect if it happened this year because comparisons to Jonas would relegate him to the 2nd most beautiful man on the team.
He stays in front of his man really well, and he’s been guarding some quick guys. Again, though, Summer League can be a bit of a track meet, given the number of unskilled players. Guys like Dwyane Wade can beat you without blowing past you.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 12, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrico White being a better version of Ben Gordon is realistic? Maybe I over-value Gordon, but I just don’t see this as being remotely possible.
by garrettelliott on Jul 12, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Which will we see more of this season?
A) Ben Gordon points
B) Terrico White minutes
by brgulker on Jul 12, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
good question. I go BG points. I don’t see White getting more than 15-20 mpg, which should be BG’s ppg. Both of these numbers increase with a Rip trade
I personally don't think Gordon is a useful starter
He’s just too short to be an impact defender. He’s 6’1" without shoes, where as Terrico is nearly 6"4 without shoes and has a much longer wingspan. Also Gordon is a streaky shooter, going anywhere from teh suck to unstoppable. When he’s unstoppable, he makes up for his defense and his low fg%, but when he’s not he’s just a detriment to the team. IMO, and this could just be me, Gordon is best served as a 6th man where he can dominate the other teams’ benches.
White may never be as creative of a scorer or hit the same impossible shots, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be a more productive player in terms of net points.
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the pre-injury numbers Gordon put up when Rip was out prove that he needs to be a starter. I don’t at all agree that he’s better served coming off the bench.
I also don’t agree that White will be better in terms of net points, and I’m about as high on white (ha) as anyone
look at the numbers
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gordobe01.html
Career wise, Gordon has a net loss of 1 point per 100 possessions. Funny enough, he was especially bad in that Boston series that netted him a big contract (defensive rating of 116, which is just horrendous). The only good defensive year he’s had was the year Ben first came to Chicago and was both healthy and productive
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If the other 4 guys on the court can play solid defense (especially our big guys protecting the rim) I don’t care if Ben Gordon’s defensive rating is negative infinity. I want him to fill it up, score points, hit clutch shots, and spread the floor with his awesometacular shooting.
by garrettelliott on Jul 12, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Negative infinity defensive rating would be awesome, since the lower it is, the better defender you are.
I think Ben Wallace had a season of negative double infinity.
Woops. Goes to show how much I know about stats. :D
by garrettelliott on Jul 12, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
White could be similar to Afflalo in that he could give tough D and some scoring off the bench, but I think the biggest difference, as BT mentioned, is athleticism. Afflalo could barely dunk, although he did have the ability to hit corner 3s with regularity. we don’t really know what White’s range will end up being
by the89oracle on Jul 12, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
but see Arron didn't have that ability his first year
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=3187
He shot 20% from 3 his first season. It was because he worked his ass off in the offseason that he became a great spot up shooter. Watching White in the summer league, I would say his jumper right now is better than Afflalo’s in his rookie season
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I was referencing the skills Afflalo had when he left compared to where White is now. I assumed that’s what people were doing when saying White could be the next Afflalo
gotcha
And I really do believe White can be the better player as he’s got basically a better version of everything that Arron offered except for defensive awareness, and I think Big Ben can help him on that. One of Afflalo’s best attributes was that he was a proactive defender, and no reactive; not even Kobe could shake him off when they matched up.
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont take anything out of thr rookie league.
Its just about getting in shape and thats what these guys are doing. Its just street ball really. Cant wait for preseason!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 12, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
Monroe looked really good last game.
Really really like his game.
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 12, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions
Yup
His passing game is awesome and once he gets with the regulars he will look much much better.
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 12, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
ehh
He looked better Bennie. I’m not going to lie, you have done a good job of getting people to warm up to him, but there comes a line. Monroe was decent in general except for some nice passes. He needs to really work on his conditioning before we can truly see what he can do (like seriously, who is that out of shape coming into the summer league?).
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not saying he was awesome.
Im just saying he played well I guess, not great. I just think that most bigs like him struggle in the Summer league after the first couple games. How are the other guys like Cousins doing? Just curious. Cant find stats anywhere.
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 12, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
he hasn't played yet
Tonight’s game is going to be epic beyond proportions known to Piston fans
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I would trust NBA.com
http://www.nba.com/summerleague/gameline/20100712/
They say 6 ET, perhaps some sites confused that with 6 PT?
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Daye seems to have a chip on his shoulder (GOOD) and is giving it to the Summer League. The only thing I can say outside of the 10 more lbs please, is his aggressiveness needs to continue. If that is the case, he may be really solid off the bench this season.
I don’t see the Pistons giving up on Summers this season. He is not a “jump out of the gym” kind of dude like Maxiell, but his range is far more impressive.
I liked Sosa’s game and his size. He seemed to control the follow better than White. T. White seems to be of the “pitbull” of 04 style. I think he will be a athletic solid guy defensively who can knock down shots when need ala Tony Allen.
Kicking (_)_) before bedtime.
I called White a steal on draft night.
His game transfers very well ot the NBA. Joe D knows how to pick em!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 12, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
I do think he's a steal in the making
I just think he was picked in the wrong draft. We needed a big man more, and that draft was ridiculously deep in true centers (maybe not all were talented beyond Cousins, but there were tons of projects available at 36)
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I called White a steal on draft night.
You would have called ANYONE Dumars drafted a steal.
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by Mike Payne on Jul 12, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have you heard about this Sharpe kid?
I hear he handles it. Strokes it long and smooth.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 12, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Worse pick: Sharpe or Darko?
remember we traded our 1st rounder(DJ White) for him
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 12, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sharpe IMO
Because nobody had heard of Walter and Joe randomly picked him out of the blue, coming off of bad seasons. At least Darko was the consensus #2 pick
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
busting on pick #2 is worse than messing up trading down like 3 spots from 29. no matter what the rest of the league thought about the player you got
on the upside, the trading down meant that we didn’t have to pay sharpe 1st round money (DJ white was never our pick, when the trade went through we made the pick for OKC)
Depends on what you mean by worse pick
If you mean by how the player panned out, then Darko is the worse pick. But if you are judging by where the player should have been drafted and are judging without hindsight, then Sharpe is clearly the worse pick (probably a strong chance he would have gone undrafted).
Hindsight changes everything, so I was just wondering how we are judging said failures
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going off of expectations for the position he was picked in.
even though we went with the obvious choice in darko, he busted at 2, and the number 2 pick should either be an all star or at least a starter.
the number 29-33 spot has a chance at being a rotation player, but is probably more likely to drop out of the league after a few years anyway. expectations are completely different, even if sharpe came out of left field
ARTSIOM.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Re: DaJuan Summers as "Rising Stock"
Dear Mr. Dumars,
DaJuan’s stock is rising. Buy low, sell high! DO IT JOD!
Sincerely,
Charles Schwab.
(P.S.: Summers+Wilcox for Sessions works in the Trade Machine.)
by -PS- on Jul 12, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd want to watch DaJuan playout this season first
Unless if we get a home run deal, he looks like a legitimate rotation player. Still a tweener, but has incorporated a lot more SF duties (ie cutting to the rim, ball handling etc) into his game and has gone down to the post to make him a decent 10 minute/game PF
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone see..
The Jesse Jackson comments on Dan Gilbert?
CHICAGO — The Rev. Jesse Jackson says Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert sees LeBron James as a “runaway slave” and that his comments after the forward decided to join the Miami Heat put the player in danger.
Shortly after James announced his decision Thursday night, Gilbert fired off an incendiary letter to Cleveland’s fans, ripping the 25-year-old and promising to deliver a title before James wins one. He called James’ decision “cowardly” and later told The Associated Press he believes James quit during a handful of Cavaliers playoff games.
Jackson says Gilbert’s comments “personify a slave master mentality” and the owner should face a “challenge” from the league.
Messages were left Sunday night seeking comment from Gilbert, the Cavaliers, James and the NBA.
-———————-
Again, I’m probably late on this but all I have to say is just wow…
And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue
he can join David Kahn
in the dumbass/ruining it for everyone else club.
IMO, the only reason why racism is still an issue in the northern states is because people make it an issue. Guys like Jackson try to bring race into every minor dispute and quite frankly I’m fed up with it. If there truly was racism involved, then I do believe people would have ever right to be upset. But I just don’t see how you can possibly call guy who got paid nearly $20 million per year a slave; if anything LeBron was the owner and the Cavs were his slave the way he forced them to hire all of his friends and held them hostage in free agency.
More importantly, because of his idiotic race argument, it detracts us from his real points. Such as why would Gilbert give him an offer for $125 mil if he’s such a quitter? I personally think it’s obvious: the value of the Cavs is easily double with LeBron, regardless of what LeBron does. However, that is a legitimate argument you can make, unlike slavery.
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO, the only reason why racism is still an issue in the northern states is because people make it an issue.
That’s a laughably off-base blanket statement. It’s almost as silly as the bs coming out of Jesse Jackson’s mouth.
depends on the age group you’re looking at. Race is really not that huge of an issue for the <25 crowd. not to say America is completely colorblind, but it’s getting there with the younger generations, at least
I agree
At least from my experiences, the only truly racist people are those consistently force the issue. And in all honesty Jackson is totally racist against white people himself, I don’t see how he can continually bring up that argument without being hypocritical.
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I should mention
I have primarily interacted in very liberal cities, such as Ann Arbor
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed it depends on where you are coming from!
Racism is stronger when social class is included as a factor. For example, this kind of thinking:
If you are black and middle/upper class, you fit my idea of what I think you should be because we share cultural values. But if you grew up black and poor, I may not feel the same way about you and I may have some preset notions about why I think you are that way.
Not my personal beliefs of course, just an example of what I repeatedly experience with my job which is focused around poverty reduction. A lot of this is due to the narrative media sells us anyway. And yes I am speaking from a caucasian perspective in that example, though it could potentially be anyone.
That being said, when Jesse Jackson says that kind of shit it really makes it challenging to do this kind of work.
by Chandra on Jul 12, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If one doesn't believe racism exists in the North
I would invite you no farther than my hometown in Western Michigan. Sad but true.
(Although I think the89oracle makes a good point about younger generations)
As someone who grew up in Grosse Pointe (yeah there are e's on the end of both...we're just that snooty),
I think its unfair to say that the community as a whole is racist. The problem with Grosse Pointe is that it is dominated by older demographics who are also predominately conservative. Thus they have a higher likelihood of clinging to old ways/mentalities around race. Couple that with the fact that Grosse Pointe was essentially established by the Ford Family (Ford being one of the biggest Anti-Semite’s of his day) and the upper level execs and you have a very homogenous demographic that is predominately white upper class.
There have definitely been some terribly blind racist/blatant racist situations in Grosse Pointe as recent as the 80s but again it goes back to the demographic question. My friends and I (all younger than 27) grew up with a relatively culturally diverse grosse pointe if not racially diverse…but Grosse Pointe will always be an upper-class community which to me indicates that its not race that is the issue but socio-economic bias towards lower classes.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
See look! Totally diverse
The White:Black ratio in that advert was 3:2…WAY better than before…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
grosse pointe is still grossly racist
there’s no doubt about that. I have a sister that worked at the Sanders ice cream shop there… Certain customers ignored her, she was called a ni—- more than once… And she has a great personality! I know I would have started a few fights under those conditions. It’s common knowledge Grosse point is halfway in the 1950s
Really? Common knowledge?
Because there is a minority of bigots still living in the Grosse Pointes? Its just as unfair for you to take your sister’s very unfortunate experiences and apply them to the entire community or the majority of the people living in GP.
I, too, worked in numerous support/service roles (Grosse Pointe Club, Hallmark, etc.) in Grosse Pointe and even with many people knowing my family lived in the city, being white, was still insulted on a daily basis by snobby rich customers. Were they slinging racial slurs at me? Obviously not. But were they telling me I was by far the dumbest boat hand they’d ever had come near their boat and constantly not tipped by rich snobs? Definitely. And I’m not claiming that this is in any way as insulting as being attacked purely because of one’s race, but the people that your sister encountered do not just single out minorities. They are hateful, spiteful, and mean to everyone.
So is there a minority of old-ways, super-conservative individuals who create an uncomfortable environment throughout the grosse pointes? Definitely. Does such an extremely homogenized community of upper class mosty white families perpetuate an even greater differentiation from the predominately black community that surrounds Grosse Pointe? You bet…
But is Grosse Pointe “grossly” racist and stuck in the 50s? If you’re using the term “grossly” as in “majority” or “extremely” or “largely” then I completely disagree with you. To suggest it is anything else (or to effectively call the majority of grosse pointers racist) is almost as insulting as the racial slurs originally said.
I say all this though knowing that my family is not the norm in Grosse Pointe. That I am far more liberal than the majority of grosse pointers. That my parents were both from low class rural upbringing. And that I spent the majority of my childhood with other kids just like me.
I really hope you don’t take this as me dismissing your sister’s experiences because that is not my intention. I’m trying to tread lightly in this discussion since as always race is a delicate issue…but at the same time, I do have an appreciation for where I grew up. Had I not grown up in Grosse Pointe, I would not be who I was today. And personally, I don’t see myself as a racist…just epinion.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
i worked at the corner of mack and moross
and i can tell you that be they white or black, most of the people in the area were assholes.
of course it's not
the entire community and my intention wasn’t to state that. It was just an example of a city nearby that I view as a bit racist. Not totally fair I know, but crafted from personal accounts of racism/profiling and accounts from friends.
Best Regards,
Rami.
What...
You think you have the right to expect loyalty for a piddly $20M per year? Only a slave-owner thinks that way.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 12, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
he'll do anything for camera time
and will inject race into any argument to fit his agenda.
Best Regards,
Rami.
Jesse Has Always Been About Jesse
Kind of like the Marvin Barnes of preaching, if you get my drift.
We’d be up by a bucket late, all we had to do was dribble out the clock, and there’s Bad News hoisting up a three because he’s gotta get his. That’s like Jesse at the pulpit.
Reverend, sorry, my man, but I just don’t use the word “slave” in a sentence where I also use “90M/6 years”. Can’t be done.
by V. on Jul 13, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Cool...
somebody saw exactly what I saw out of Monroe. The first game made you think the book on his softness was dead on. Decent bounce back in game 2. You gotta love a “midseason report” after 2 games. I generally dont take anything from Summer League play though. Guys like Bellineli and Randolph made huge names for themselves in VSL and have done dick in the NBA. So…
http://thefilmnest.com
Michigan, Pistons, Wings, Tigers, Chargers 'til I die.
To be fair
Randolph would be an absolute beast if he got his minutes. Not everybody can put up a fifty some point game in the regular season.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 12, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he'll be a candidate for MIP.
Just a gut feeling.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 12, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
not a bad choice
He should get tons of pt there as they’ve got no frontline beyond him and Amare.
I would also put Lawson and Collison in that running if they get enough minutes. Of course collison wouldn’t actually improve that much, but he should get a lot more attention
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They do have Turiaf
But he’s injury-prone, and is really a 15-20 minute player, anyway.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 12, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
WHO THE HECK IS EDGAR SOSA?
Hey, I’d like to see sosa get more minutes as his performance vs GS left me curious…
I’m plesantly surprised with Daye. Perhaps he can really be a SG at 6-10-ish? The only thing I question is whether the pistons coaching staff would allow/trust him to create his own shot (a la summer league) in the regular season, or will he only be able to be a spot up shooter? I see these abilities in Summer too. The pistons haven’t done a good job of putting their players in a position to succeed. Hopefully, that will change this year.
BTW: Excluding game experience, I don’t see why the pistons would resign Bynum. You’d have to pay him way more money than you’d have to pay White. Plus, if they planned to resign Will, why would they have drafted White in lieu of a big? If I were running the team, I’d sign White and Sosa, drop atkins, dont re-sign bynum, spend cap space and trade TP for bigs… I love TP, but why occupy several roster spots with players that play the same position and do not play because if it. Kinda senseless…
Bynum has a track record of success
Plus, coming off an injury year, he comes at a bargain. If someone offers him the MLE, Detroit has to let him go. At $9M for three years, you have to re-sign him.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 12, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
MFWB?
You mean the guy who got 20 assists in a game? The guy who holds the Detroit Piston’s single quarter scoring record at 26 (4th quarter, no less)?
You’re ready to dump him for Terrico Fucking White?
by Big Z in Orlando on Jul 12, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be down on Monroe...
If I hadn’t been watching the Orlando Summer League. Evan Turner, Mr. Do-it-all, #2 pick in the draft really struggled and Favors the Ridiculous Upside Super Athlete and the #3 pick didn’t have a good game until the final game of the Summer League where he went for 23 and 11. His best performance before that game was 8 and 7 in an opening game loss to the Sixers.
So I’m cool with Greg so far and looking forward to the match-up tonight with Cousins in the “Who We Wanted vs. Who We Got” showdown.
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his conditioning is bothering me
That says something about work ethic if he let himself go in the small time frame between NCAA tourney knockout and NBA draft.
But I’m not concerned just yet, I think we’ll see his best performance so far tonight to prove his worth against Cousins
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear ya BT
But you know what these guys’ agents put them on bed rest for weeks before the draft because they are paranoid of an injury or a hang nail that may effect their draft status.
His wind should come. Hopefully he can get some squats and sprints in before the season starts.
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Showtime
Let’s see what you’ve got, DeMarcus Cousins— and let’s see how you handle him, Greg Monroe. Good luck, GM, tonight will be tough.
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I'd watch games just to hear Brent Barry
Dude is smart and always interesting.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 12, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
White has some hops..
But has some butterfingers.
And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue
that was a hell of a jump by Monroe
On that block attempt, hadn’t seen him get that high off the ground yet
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Cousins has slimmed down
looks much leaner since I last saw him play
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
Can we talk about how amazing ATDHE is?
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 12, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
yeah
it’s the best, I haven’t found a single better site in the past 3 years that I’ve had high speed internet
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
In the middle of a 4 hour fucking meeting
Won’t be able to watch the magic until later this evening :-(
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Whiteside :(
And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue
haha right.
Dumars: “I thought he looked a whole half-foot smaller in person.”
And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue
I have no confidence
In whoever this white guy is.
well played
But yeah, who is this guy? Let’s have Monroe on Cousins.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 12, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Putting Monroe on Cousins is a bad idea
it would just point out the glaring difference in talent between the two ultimately making us that much more depressed about Monroe as a prospect
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Jason Thompson is legit
I feel like the Kings need to trade somebody in their frontcourt. All 4 of their main guys (Cousins, Landry, Dalembert, and Thompson) deserve 25+ minutes, and Whiteside deserves a few minutes for his shot-blocking alone. I’d try to parlay someone into a legit SF if I was them.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
Thompson plays some three
IIRC. That would make about 105 minutes available.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 12, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
But his skill set makes way more sense at Power Forward. They have a lot of talent in their front court — enough that they could fix a need or two (PG and SF) without much of a dropoff at all. I mean, Jon Brockman would be a rotation player on most teams, and he’s absolutely BURIED there.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 12, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
silky smooth
I’ve been telling you, White has a great jumper
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions
also great steal
I think that George Hill seems to be the best comparison right now. Neither was a great point guard in college, but they both were athletic, have long wingspans and are good defenders
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Monroe just won the intelligence war vs cousins
Compared to the other summer league games i’m jacked for this one. It’s also being played at a slower pace which makes it more watchable.
No-look pass from Terrico Suave!
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
nice work between the rookies
Good pass and finish
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions
Sosa, too!
Making Monroe look good!
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
Anyone not impressed by Casspi?
And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue
he started off last season playing like Jerebko finished last season
maybe even slightly better…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
He was on fire shooting the ball in the first half
There was actually a point where he was shooting over 50% from the field and 3, but less than 50% from the FT line. He cooled off down the stretch, though.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 12, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
we shall not praise Sacremento players
I still hate them for draft blocking us twice
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Question for those computer savvy:
If I’m using two monitors and i try to full screen the espn3.com feed on one, every time i click on the other it removes the full screen. How do i change this?
it's only fair to ask
computer viruses or human viruses?
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i’m a collector and part time distributor
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 12, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure
try checking the settings in the browser window
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
"He really is -- for his size -- a tremendous gazelle."
Uh… wat?
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
Like Shaka Zulu himself carved him from solid kookaburra wood.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I have no idea what I'm saying by the way.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Maybe Laughton can clarify the Kookaburra bit?
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 12, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you were thinking of the Karri?
Australia is not in his wheelhouse.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 12, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Apologies to everyone involved...
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 12, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I just came back from a lovely holiday in Walpole
Huge Karri and Tingle trees, plus the Valley of the Giants treetop walk. Great place for a family getaway. If any of you cats ever come to Western Australia, I would be happy to show my hood.
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.
Was that
English? I kid! Sounds awesome, Laughton. I must, MUST see Australia in my lifetime. I’m a big design nerd, and in my opinion Melbourne is leading the world in architecture and design— if I make it that far, I’ll see as much of your island as I can (including it’s biggest Pistons fan!)
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Will you?
This is like saying: “I’ve always wanted to come to America to see Disney World, and when I’m there, I’ll be sure to drop by San Diego.”
But yeah, Melbourne is a civil engineering masterpiece. Go see.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 13, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
will I?
absolutely. I’ve been cultivating a love for Australia for far too long, it just so happens that the focus of my job may take me there sooner than I could have hoped. And upon arrival, that same job will force me to move around. So oh yes, this isn’t a “oh cool, opera house, let’s get drunk back at the hotel” kind of vacation. I’ll need to aim my lens at every architectural artifact I can find in Melbourne. Honestly, that city… have you seen their logo? Unreal.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/melbournes-240000-makeover-20090722-dt0o.html
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At the end of that article.
“If I recall accurately I was listening to MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice, and I still can’t understand that,” he said.
Pure win. But I love my town more.
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.
Right
Melbourne makes sense, but Laughton’s neck of the woods is quite a distance from Melbourne and any of the tourist spots.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 13, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
well we're losing
But at least Monroe is holding his own with Cousins. DeMarcus has 1 more point and board, but he’s also gotten more free throws
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:33 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah...we're also not starting our usual starting 5...
Jerebko would be destroying all. Haven’t watched any of the game yet…still waiting to get out of this meeting so I can go homes!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Monroe: 2 TOs
Cousins: 0 TOs
I’m losing lust for Monroe
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 12, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate in-game interviews
Always. I do not care what those who are not participating in the game think.
nice pass by Sosa
too bad our random guys suck at hitting wide open shots
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions
we have to stop giving up offensive rebounds
They’ve got more offensive rebounds than we have defensive
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions
as of now
They have nearly double our shot attempts – yikes
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
DeMarcus Cousins doesn't have a Drivers license?
That’s not impressive.
you can't sprain
platinum
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by Mike Payne on Jul 12, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
guaranteed rotation spot?
Maybe they wanted to give Reiner a long look
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
same here
He’s just been bad, no other way to put it
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don't understand how he would have been better to evaluate than ARTSIOM...
ARTSIOM YOU SAY? MORE LIKE ARTWESOME!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
why are we playing Daye+ a bunch of scrubs
When they’ve got their starters out?
Also I thought the point of the summer league was to let Monroe and White get their feet wet, not random d-league veterans
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:47 PM EDT reply actions
I wish Monroe would use his right hand
Had he just turned to his left instead of into the crowd, that’s an easy layup
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions
fail
That would have been very impressive if he didn’t just run over their final defender
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 6:51 PM EDT reply actions
Good challenge by Monroe.
He fouled him but it did look like he had hand on that ball.
And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue
I thought he was the best passer in Kentucky
Probably just as good as Monroe; he’s very underrated in that respect because of his other abilities
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Monroe is playing well
I’m not worried about the charges when he’s attacking the basket. I’m not worried about the fouls when he’s legitimately contesting shots.
Ugh
We’re missing the game for a Stern press conference? We just want to watch basketball? No Miami man on man action… No Stern pontificating… Just the sport, please? For crying out loud.
No doubt about it, the Kings have some very nice young pieces to build around. A few savvy moves, some more player development, and they could have a contender. Am I crazy?
kings are in a good spot. they still have a bunch of cap room. dalembert/cousins/whiteside/landry down low. evans. they’re getting there.
Do they have enough to get Carmelo?
Because if so, then holy crap.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 12, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh, Carmelo is going to NY with CP3.
by garrettelliott on Jul 12, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully they will, because Carmelo and Chris Paul are infinitely less dickheaded than the Miami triumvirate.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 12, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure Melo does
He’s been offered a 3 year $65 mil extension. That’s probably significantly more per year (on average) than what NY can offer after the new CBA
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think they really need any more savvy moves
They already got that done by drafting Tyreke, Casspi, Cousins and Whiteside – not to mention trading for Landry and Dalembert. All they really need at this point is really efficient shooting guard to further space the floor and 2-3 years to develop their players and they contend
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
"Really efficient shooting guard"
Kevin Martin? Oh, wait…
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 12, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
ehh
Martin can score in bunches and efficiently but is a blackhole, and he’s also a horrible defender (career d rating of 111, including one year of 117) not to mention Landry is one of the toughest players in the league. I think that trade did upgrade the Kings as he clearly couldn’t play alongside Tyreke and it gave them a major upgrade in the frontcourt. Granted I don’t think they expected to get Cousins in the draft at the time of the trade, let alone both Cousins and Whiteside
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
well we're down by 20
Can’t say I’m surprised. Sacremento got the best offensive player in the draft and probably the best defensive player; it doesn’t help that they have Casspi and we’re missing JJ
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah
We’ve been playing this Reiner guy… I’ve done some research. The dude is 28, and has had two stints in the NBA, which were among the worst in the history of the league. I’m guessing this is a favor to someone in management, which is a terrible way to handle summer league minutes.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 12, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
White is starting to make some nice passes
As I’ve been repeating, he’s got all the tools, it’s only a matter of time for him to start learning how to run the position
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions
how is that an offensive foul?
That should be an and 1, the defender didn’t go straight up for the contact
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions
espn3.com said they were going to cut away to stern in a moment as well
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 12, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
but at least White nailed a 3
that barely touched the rim
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
White’s quietly finding opportunities to impress in a very poor pistons showing
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 12, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
White has a stroke.
And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue
If Charlie V shows up at training camp with a body like Koshwal
I will tattoo “CHISELED CHARLIE” across my chest and come shirtless to every Pistons home game.
Basketball tournament in the Dominican Republic
Haven’t seen him play though, he missed the last game because he got hurt twice.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
You should have stopped him and asked him what it’s like to stand so close to Jonas.
by garrettelliott on Jul 12, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Villanueva is having a kickass game tonight
33 and 8 with a quarter to go. Sadly the PR national team has no one that can guard him. Balkman did the best job but he is in foul trouble.
(No on cares)
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
33 and 8 after the 3rd is good against anyone
keep the updates comin
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 12, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
can you supply a box score link?
also a video feed would be excellent.
As for the lack of chiseledness, I am not surprised in the least. If it took 3 to 4 years to build up all that fat since he left college, then it will definitely take some time to burn it off. And still it’s much easier to remove fat than it is to add pure muscle (you hear stories about people losing 50 pounds a year all the time, nearly impossible to add more than 30 pounds of pure muscle without steroids – 20 is considered great)
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually I was wrong, there is a bit of definition on the arms
Here’s the box score
http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/18/02/15/16/33DY4VkGQSR6/
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
nice
if I’m reading it correctly, Chuckles is at 36 and 11 right now. Always a good sign, no matter how bad the competition is, unless if you put forth the effort you can’t dominate.
As for the definition, I would be disappointed if there was no change. I’m just saying, don’t expect him to be ripped for at least a year or two (if ever)
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty impressive
Even for a guard hitting 7 of 13 from 3 would be impressive
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
C’mon, Kriz! Get out there with your laptop and a webcam! It’s for the good of DBB!
by garrettelliott on Jul 12, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He finishes with 36 and 11
I missed part of the 4th because they pulled an NBAtv just that instead of going to the commissioner they went to the lotto numbers.
From what I did saw, and for an unexplained reason, the Dominican guards just went away from Villanueva and their bigs and it ended up being purely guard play.
is worth noting that PR adjusted and put 6’8 Nathan Peavy, who also happens to be strong, on Charlie and he did a good job of pushing him with his body.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
You might say...
He assaulted them.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 12, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Curious, he goes by number 13 there… Maybe we should hire a manchurian minimum player (ARTSIOM) to swap his jersey before he goes on court. Instead of number 31, he’ll be 13, and the box score will reflect Charlie Alexander Villanueva Mejia.
CAVM, bitches. Chiseled And Very Muscular. Cavorting Amidst Villanous Mastards. (that’s bastards with an M)
I think we should let dude bring his heritage to the NBA. He should speak ONLY Spanish. He should go by his full name. He should change his jersey to #13 and the PA should play constant reggaeton when he’s on the court.
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Charlie Alexander Villanueva Mejia? Did Charlie eat Joe Alexander and Sammy Mejia? Or do we have some Transformers shit going on down there?
Super Charlie Powers Activate!
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by JumpingBlob on Jul 13, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Monroe is lazy
and it’s pissin me off
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 12, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Monroe/Tayshaun for Cousins
Is still on the table right? The Kings never said “no”.
And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue
I'm really liking Koshwal's game.
Does the dirty work, blue collar, very Piston-esque.
ordinarly I would say looks can be deceiving
but I think that just about sums it up
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, Stein says he's going to Utah for Boozer's exception plus picks
kicks wall, hurts toe, looks at it, sighs, and kicks wall again
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 12, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
deron washington is on the bucks summer league team? i swear i saw him
by don'tworryaboutit on Jul 12, 2010 9:17 PM EDT reply actions
So how did Monroe vs. Cousins go?
Looks like Cousins won pretty handily, but maybe it was kinda closer than the stats look?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 12, 2010 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think it went quite as bad as the score shows
But in all fairness Monroe should have been playing against Whiteside at PF. Putting him on Cousins was flat out a bad idea considering the size difference, that should have gone purely to Reiner.
by bearded thundar on Jul 12, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing I liked about Monroe today
was that he tried to battle Cousins. He’s very competitive, but at the same time lazy.
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 12, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That's good to hear.
I thought it was going to be bowling shoe ugly. Like 25-15 for Cousins and 6-4 for Monroe.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 12, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He did much better than I expected.
I thought Cousins would just roll over him, but from what I saw, he looked for the challenge and went body to body against him.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
You know those knocks on Monroe about being disinterested? It’s like he doesn’t have anything to prove on the court. I’m entirely underwhelmed thus far. I was expecting dude to dominate against summer league competition. It’s like the motherfucker is on vacation— after spending all day at the casinos, he has to get his basketball time in before he goes night-night.
I’ve seen tiny, little, rare shreds of “basketball IQ” watching these games. I’ve also seen absolutely zero passion. I tried to talk myself into being excited about dude, I even wrote a long piece on the hope for what he can be for this team. I was hoping for him to show up in Summer League and establish himself as a force and show the Pistons that he can be a first or second option on offense. Thus far, I’m seeing Amir Johnson without energy. By that, I mean I’m seeing nothing at all.
Fucking A.
Tonight, off-and-on playing against Cousins, he recorded 7 points… 7 rebounds… 7 fouls and 4 turnovers.
For every pretty-cool play Monroe manages once or twice a game, he’s been really bad in the summer league. The summer league. The SUMMER LEAGUE. Let’s hope dude get’s his shit together and fast, this has been excruciating to watch.
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Evan Turner and Derrick Favors also sucked in the Summer League.
I take this all with the proper grain of salt.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 12, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So F#cking What
Other players sucking should calm my discontent about the way our pick played?
I don’t have a right to be, you know, less-than-happy about how Monroe has played so far?
Who gives a shit about how any other lottery or non-lottery pick played. I’m talking about our pick and his performance thus far. I’m underwhelmed. I’m free to vent, no?
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Did someone slip a crazy pill in your microbrew?
Or is this just regular drunk and surly. Srsly. Monroe played poopy. I am not confident that he’s gonna be very good in the NBA. But you’re sort of jumpin down everyone’s throat who disagrees with you.
Did someone slip a crazy pill in your microbrew?
If they did, they’d have an engagement ring on their finger and a flower in their hair, stat!
But you’re sort of jumpin down everyone’s throat who disagrees with you.
No. I explained my concerns about Monroe, about being underwhelmed so far, and the only response I was given was “well, other guys sucked too”. That’s not a disagreement, it’s a consolation.
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And then you jumped in their throats for their consolations.
People have different opinions, chill.
All of this, It’s bad for your heart.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Consolations in that matter are dismissive. If you’re not going to respond to my points, why respond at all?
You know, just like your response.
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you would...
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Jul 13, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
“Other players sucking should calm my discontent about the way our pick played?”
To some degree, yes. It lends perspective as to how we can expect a top rookie to perform.
“I don’t have a right to be, you know, less-than-happy about how Monroe has played so far?”
You do, but you should also take it with a grain of salt.
“Who gives a shit about how any other lottery or non-lottery pick played. I’m talking about our pick and his performance thus far. I’m underwhelmed. I’m free to vent, no?”
You are, and this is precisely the forum to do so. But I think a grain of salt helps the medicine go down.
Monroe has been positive and negative in about equal measures. That’s not good enough for a 7th pick, and so I’m disappointed. But there have been plenty of picks that look absolutely lost on the court. Monroe isn’t in that category, and that’s about all summer league can tell you.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 13, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
It lends perspective as to how we can expect a top rookie to perform.
Thing is, we’ve been sold, for weeks now (and even before the draft) that Monroe could be an instant impact player and an NBA center.
So since advice is aplenty on what matter of opinion to take, what is more valuable— the talking points of a GM and his mouthpiece or early returns on summer league performance?
When said summer league performance is right in line with the negatives suggested about your team’s top pick, I think it’s fair to voice concern.
I’m entirely expecting for him to improve and be a better player…
…but this being a game thread for game three of the summer league, could there possibly be a better place on the internet for me to say “shit man, I was hoping for more”.
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Though Monroe has been nothing but bumness
White has actually impressed me, well more than i thought he would. We all know he has the athleticism, but I like the way he stays composed on the court and frequently finds himself in the right spot at the right time.
If he never mentions wanting to emulate D.Wade again he can only get better.
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 13, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
White has been a blast to watch so far, and I’m pumped to see what he can do on our roster.
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I’m concerned, too. He is out of shape. That was one of the big concerns about Cousins, and we see Monroe gassed in his first game. It says something that he didn’t show up in shape (not a hard thing to do). Of course, the combine showed him to be pretty fat.
I’m hanging my hope on the Pistons getting his ass in shape (especially for McHale’s sake). Shit, Summer League is a far cry from 48 in the NBA. He needs major conditioning.
We all hope that Ben Wallace will get Monroe pumped up and super strong by some point (in a year?). But I’ve seen so many big men come and go through the league without ever optimizing their conditioning. I keep comparing Monroe to James Buddha Edwards—mainly because he moves like him and because they have similar body types. If only Monroe had the go-to turnaround (that Edwards never quite hit enough, anyway—but it was something).
No sense going overboard with disappointment yet, though. Monroe is young, too. He could turn into something good. It’s looking like that will be later than sooner, but I’ve been surprised before.
I originally didn’t like monroe because i thought he was lazy, mostly because of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAz2zw_5tto
Then i looked into it a little more after we drafted him and found things like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulC2Ldii80o
Then i’m back at square 1 with the summer leauge, you only have to see the first 20 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJPup571iBY
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 13, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
still, more fun than the world cup
RalphGoHome
by Skylar on Jul 13, 2010 12:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
About Summer League
All summer league proves is that you can play in summer league. If you can’t play in summer league, then you’re probably done as an NBA prospect. It’s that cut and dried.
Hangover from last night...
Okay, I’ve digested the Piston’s shellacking from SAC last night. First and foremost, you have to love the Cousins/Whiteside combo they’ve put together there. The help defense Whiteside brings to the table is PRICELESS! With Cousins defending the post with his big-wide frame and Whiteside having his back, they are not going to get beat in the post on most nights (if Whiteside can get on the court in SAC). It’s very reminiscent of the Wallace combo we had for many years, especially when the core was together. Enough of them, now onto the Pistons:
Simply put, if you don’t defend the post and rebound well, YOU ARE NOT going to compete for a title in the NBA. PERIOD! I’m feeling a little lazy this morning at work, so I’m not going to list the teams that have won titles this past decade. But we have all been watching and I can’t think of a team that has won a title without solid post defense and rebounding from their bigs? Though I can think of a number of teams that had regular season success and came up short. (BTW: If two teams facing on another have this, than you have a really good series to watch a la LAL/BOS; you improve your odds of winning a series when you excel in these two key areas). Perhaps Joe D has forgotten this since DET last championship? Perhaps he never knew it and mistakenly created a championship team in ’04? Whatever the case, he deserves credit for putting the roster together that was so successful for so many years, especially since it was done w/o a "superstar". That was a looonng time ago, so we can’t continue to forgive him for his shortcomings…
The frontcourt of our current roster includes Kwame, Daye, Jerebko, Maxiell, Monroe, Prince, Summers, Villanueva, Ben Wallace, and Wilcox.
For the Pistons, we are banking on a 35 year old Ben Wallace to anchor our front court defense and to rebound the ball. Night in and night out. Are we really counting on this guy to seriously compete for an NBA title? Really? Who else? The rest are less than adequate in either area, for a variety of different reasons (e.g. disinterest, poor positioning, lack of size, etc.).
Kwame can rebound and defend but cannot get on the floor to show it (for whatever reason; he might not be re-signed, again for whatever reason?)
I think I like Daye, but he is hardly a SF. I cringe every time I hear someone say he can play 3-4 positions… It’s actually kind of laughable.
Jarebko is waaaay overrated (love his energy though). He’s a SF for sure. In fact, for me at least, anybody that does not rebound and defend the post well is a SF. Maxiel is too small for 4’s and too slow for 3’s (such a liability defensively, but he can rebound the ball). By the way, this roster is plagued with "tweeners", which can be code for tall players that can’t consistently defend 4’s. I love TP, but he has to go given the make up of our roster. Summers is a SF for sure, but I only now see why he can’t get off the pine. I like him, but his shot selection is questionable and we are at risk for a turnover every time he drives to the basket (O-foul) because it doesn’t seem like he is in control of his own body. CV is not a good rebounder and can’t defend any position consistently (he’s getting paid too). Wilcox, well enough said.
This brings me to Monroe. I still like this pick because I think he can be effective alongside a strong, athletic big. And if last nights performance versus Cousins wasn’t enough proof, someone find Joe D and coach K and tell them this kid is NOT a center in the NBA. In fact, he kinda looks like TP with a big ass head…. His lower body strength is really weak it seems. I think he’ll get stronger in that regard, but that will take some time so we should use him as a 4. Meanwhile, while Joe D is sleeping behind the wheel in free agency, all the decent bigs that can rebound and/or defend the post are being snatched up by other teams (e.g. Al Jefferson, Chandler, Hayward, etc.). I don’t know what the hold-up is, especially since BG and Charlie Frickin Villanova were in Piston uniforms at midnight last year, but the activity of all other teams on draft night and since free agency started leaves me to believe Joe D has an out dated phone list or he just doesn’t care… I understand there’s a difference between singing UFA’s and making trades, but this lack of activity is inexcusable. That BS about waiting for the LBJ "dust to settle" has to end. Get prepared folks, we’re in for yet another long, dreadful season… Also, next time around Joe D, find a creative way to justify pulling your starters at the end of the season to improve your changes of winning a top 5 pick. Try calling it, "we want to see what our young guys can do" time, or something. From what I recall reading somewhere (Pistons.com maybe?), we significantly reduced our chances of winning a top 3 pick by winning about 3-4 games this past season. Had we lost those games, we may have not needed to beg teams 1-5 for their pick to draft either Favors or Cousins. Both of them are really going to be good in this league.
So....Jerebko is a 3 because he doesn't rebound or defend against 4s
And yet he was our 2nd leading rebounder on the team at 6 a game and actually defended adequately for a rookie playing the 4…
And he’s overrated how? People love him but no one is claiming that he’s the next Rashard Lewis at the 4 position. And no one is claiming he’s the next Lebron at the 3.
But given what he showed in his first season, the expectation that he could legitimately replace Prince at the 3 is completely within the realm of possibility.
Personally, I want Jonas to play the 3, but to say he’s not a 4 because he doesn’t rebound or play defense is factually inaccurate if that is the way you measure a 4 position.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
JJ was quite effective regardless of position
http://www.82games.com/0910/09DET7.HTM
I do think people over hype him here (yes half of it is just shtick, but guys get carried away) but to say he’s a bad defender is just false. He was so much better than some of our other guys that we were losing at a rate of 8 points per 100 possesions every time he left the floor
by bearded thundar on Jul 13, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
he was in all 20 of our best 5 man combos
talk about overrated
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 13, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think his defense is overhyped.
Which does not mean he is a bad defender, just not as good as some make him out to be. I think with time and strenght he will get better. The most important part is already there, attitude.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
by Kriz on Jul 13, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he has amazing footspeed for his size, and I saw him many times stymie quick small forwards whom he defended. That makes me optimistic about his potential. He surely made rookie mistakes on defense, and his low post defense still needs work, along with the strength that you mention. I also saw him on the unfair end of a lot of rookie calls—the refs gave him no respect (true for most rookies, sure, but he had it bad a times).
This.
I can’t remember how many times I saw him cut guys off at the baseline simply out of beating what would appear to be a faster player to the spot.
He’ll become a better defender if he can work on anticipating the shot, not getting caught by upfakes, and when he beats his man to a spot, making sure he’s set for the charge rather than leaning back or still shuffling. Lastly, he should take a note from Varejao’s gameplay and rather than using his incredible balance to maintain his feet when taking contact from a drivign player, hit the hard wood and hard to exaggerate the contact.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Jarebko is waaaay overrated (love his energy though).
Are we talking about basketball? kriz?
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 13, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
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