Does Dumars Intimidate MJ?
by Alex_Be on Jul 23, 2010 7:04 AM CDT
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Michael Jordan, the Bobcats owner, took a lot of ribbing for trading Richard Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse eight years ago. There's a feeling Jordan was weary of dealing with Dumars again, so he dealt Chandler to Dallas for essentially nothing, which surprised more than a few front office officials around the league.
I never really thought of this, but maybe this is why Joe can't get anything done. Maybe his moves pre- 2004 were too good? Now everyone approaches him with caution. I think it's an interesting thing to consider.
I've always been a huge Joe D supporter, but it's getting hard to stay on this bandwagon when I look over at Milwaukee and see what John Hammond is doing over there. It's like they stole our blueprint and are running it to a tee. Which makes me think something has to be going on. Whether it really is what the paragraph above suggests, or if it's questioning whether or not Joe really was the mastermind behind the 2004 team, or if he was just running with the suggestions of the people around him?
Since 2004, more than just a few key people to the organization have left. Since 2004, we've been slowly declining. I vaguely remember Joe in a post 2004 interview say something like "...I'm only as good as the people around me..."
(Ed. note: Interesting theory -- it's like what happened to Billy Beane after Moneyball came out. Tweaked headline, etc, for the front page -- Matt)
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It's harder to rebuild (or even sustain) than it is to build.
Most of he GMs we all think of as great (Pritchard, Presti, Hammond) came in with their team in the shitter. There was a clear path laid out. Dump the shitty contracts and start acquiring young pieces.
The mistake that Dumars made (and Danny Ainge is making right now) is that he didn’t develop a young core while contending. It’s an understandable mistake because when you are close you want to feel that you’ve done everything you can to get over the hump. So you get a Theo Ratliff and a Dale Davis rather than throwing an Amir Johnson into the deep end and letting him sink or swim (Granted, those two were Centers going up against Shaq and Howard whereas Amir was a PF).
Ainge is doing the same thing. Stacking the team with veterans on big contracts rather than laying down the foundation for the next “generation.”
This is partially hindsight (although I must say that it was a position I held at the time despite the predominant “blow the team” up sentiment after losing to the douche-tics), but, Dumars best course of action (as Gabe pointed out) would have been to trade the expiring contracts of the last core (or let them expire) and throwing the youngins into the fray.
So Amir Johnson and Maxiell move in for Sheed. Stuckey and Afflalo move in for Rip. And so on. Maybe one of those young guys doesn’t pan out and you draft, trade, sign free agents accordingly.
Again, this is hindsight because 99% of the people on this site wanted to blow up the team (I, for one, didn’t). But, it’s interesting to see the Celtics making the same mistake. And, like the Pistons, they’ll only have one ring to show for it.
by Quick Darshan on Jul 23, 2010 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
The Shane Battier of DBB strikes again!
Great post. You earned that rec.
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 24, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Painfully true
I was floored when they offered Sheed 3 years, failed to move Allen’s expiring deal and then re-upped him, etc.
If I had to find ONE fundamental flaw in Dumars' rebuilding plan...
…it would be seeing Stuckey as a replacement for Chauncey as opposed to a replacement for “Rip.” Stuckey/Chauncey would have been one hell of a backcourt.
And the Pistons would be in a vastly different position right now.
Just epinion.
Call me crazy, but I’m really skeptical that MJ is “afraid” of Joe Dumars. I guess it’s possible, and MJ’s clearly a proud man. Maybe.
But I’m even more skeptical that other GM’s around the league are afraid of getting hoodwniked by Dumars. Everyone in the NBA saw Charlie Villanueva play last season (even when he was healthy). Everyone realizes that Stuckey’s nowhere close to Billups. Everyone realizes we desperately need to trade one of our SGs. And on and on.
I think it’s much, much more likely that Dumars hasn’t made a move because the only moves that have legitimately been on the table are considered to be lowballs (by Dumars) for his players.
I thought those dudes were buddies.
Jordan has referenced Dumars several times as the best defender he ever played against.
"Let's go out and play like we're Chicago on NBA Jam." - Rasheed Wallace
for what it's worth
Dumars’ oldest son is named Jordan out of respect
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 23, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
When Hammond gets a team to the ECF
I’ll buy the whole “he was the mastermind” thing.
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 23, 2010 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
True this
I’m starting to think about three seasons from now, the Bucks might be a Sheed move away from contention.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 23, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Did I miss something?
Or is it just because Sheed is a good parallel to Josh Smith, not in playing style but in situation.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 23, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
actually
a bit of both— he’s a rare killer on both ends of the court, and for some reason I just kind of feel it in my bones that Smith might end up there in a season or two.
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Ironically enough.
I believe the draft pick sent in the Sheed deal was Smith.
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 23, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Sheed to be honest
Sheed in his prime may not have been the same athlete, but he was still an effective defensive rebounder, blocked shots, excellent rotational and one on one defender and had a far better offensive game. The only advantage Smith has is his jumping ability, but without any worthwhile footwork he needs to be fed the ball deep in the post to score consistently (I don’t trust his jumper, his 3p% is just straight bad) and Sheed was able to block shots off timing and height alone
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by bearded thundar on Jul 23, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
The only advantage Smith has is his jumping ability
Huh? Josh Smith is the best passing big man in the league— a huge advantage over Sheed. Also, Smith actually plays in the post and has moved away from the 3-point shot, going in the opposite direction of Sheed.
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Best passing big man?
I believe you forgot about Greg Monroe aka the best passing big man ever.
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 23, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I love how Kahn got fined for saying something everyone knows.
“Beasley smokes weed? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!”
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 23, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, Not Quite...
Kahn probably got hit $25K for saying he smoked marijuana, and an extra $25K for saying “too much”, as if a modicum of grass was ok.
The organization got hit another $50K, presumably for hiring such a fool like Kahn to be GM.
That being said, as dumb as Kahn is, the fact he acquired him for close to nothing is still impressive. Still, considering his pedigree and his coach (I think Cal is to the 21st Century as Tark was to the 20th), whether he’s smart enough and mature enough to play int he NBA, only time will tell.
by V. on Jul 24, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Beasley was a Kansas State Wildcat
and not a Calipari recruit. He was signed by Bob Huggins, but coached by Frank Martin once Huggins bailed on KSU.
For what it’s worth, Beasley was seen as a model citizen at K-State and folks there still love him after his one-and-done. Oddly, though, his team wasn’t substantially better than the ones a year before or a year after him.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jul 25, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Whoops! My Bad!
That’s what you get when you smoke too much marijuana,
by V. on Jul 25, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Does Smith actually post up frequently, or just play close to the rim? I know he’s cut down on the perimeter jumpers, finally.
smith could be the odd man out in ATL
if the decide to extend horford to a crazy deal then they wont really have the money to pay smith. should be interesting to see how that plays out.
smith was a jump shooter up until last year, he took his game more inside last year and has really improved his shot selection.
also no more between the legs blown tomahawk dunks in garbage time of a playoff game either.
he did indeed
But he still doesn’t have any real post moves, he just takes his jumpers closer to the rim or he has to be fed the ball after getting deep position in the post. He can’t create for himself off footwork alone right now
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 24, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't make a difference with the Bucks.
Bogut’s a post player. Smith would be a good complement.
by Quick Darshan on Jul 24, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
The stats, Bearded Thundar
they don’t agree with you. 2010 Smith had a low assisted rate of 62%. 2004 Wallace had an assited rate of 86%. Smith has been much better than Wallace at creating for himself, and when he scores he does so much more efficiently.
Furthermore, I can’t shake the notion that 2010 Smith only has “jumping ability” as an advantage over 2004 Wallace. Dude is a much better rebounder, a better defender, a much more efficient scorer, a much better passer, draws more fouls, and is 24 years old.
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it could just be nostalgia
But I happen to prefer Sheed, just my personal opinion
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 24, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, all of us do.
Now I want Roscoe’s sequel in the new era.
"Let's go out and play like we're Chicago on NBA Jam." - Rasheed Wallace
which makes total sense
and I can completely understand that. Dude was my favorite piston for many years. But in Sheed vs. Smith, the ball— she does not lie.
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My biggest is that in three years:
Maggette will be 34.
Salmons will be 32.
Gooden will be 32 as well.
I think their ability to reach the next level will depend almost exclusively on the growth of Jennings, unless Bogut pulls a David Lee.
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 23, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Bogut did pull a Lee for the most part
He took a large leap over his previous years, with a higher tempo offense he could have very well put up 20 ppg himself. The key difference are the assists. You could argue that NY was so bad that he got an absurd amount of boards because there were no other decent rebounders on the team (where as Bogut at least had a few decent frontcourt partners), however the way that Lee directed the offense was flat out extremely impressive
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 23, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Jennings could also pull a Lebron and bounce
I kind of doubt it, but I could see people getting in his head between now and then.
I doubt he leaves for a number of years (if ever)
Most “superstars” don’t leave until it is clear that they have no chance of winning a title, and the Bucks just got significantly better
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 24, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
i think he will stay as well
he seems really grateful to the bucks for taking the chance on him and drafting him.
Building something good out of a garbage franchise
surely must appeal to at least some of today’s young guns.
"Let's go out and play like we're Chicago on NBA Jam." - Rasheed Wallace
Hopefully pulling a "bron" will prove to be unsuccessful
Sure didn’t workout for allan houston, ultimately history will tell whether the trend of moving sticks or not. The reason I pick him is that he has already moved to europe, maybe moving doesn’t bother him.
i think the europe move was good for jennings.
it seems to have put his head on right. when he was over there he didnt have SI writing about him all the time and covering his games or masses of screwhead hangers-on trying to capitalize on him. it was Jennings, his mom and his agent. if you read interviews with him (i think slam was the only one really on his nuts from day one, most of the articles about him are in there) it seems that he is much more down to earth than some dude who has been calling himself the chosen one since he was 16, that other guy who banged star jones, and their little lap dog power forward.
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by latif on Jul 24, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd.
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by garrettelliott on Jul 25, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
you know what would be crazy?
if Hammond actually had some part in our greateness from ‘02-’08!!
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The Deal Might Have Been Rip for Chandler
And I don’t see MJ going for that deal, all things considered.
Rip is kind of like a broken toy you borrowed from a friend.
“Ok I’m done playing with him you can have him back now.”
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 24, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
new poll over at heat.com...
Carlos Arroyo will…
- Hit clutch threes
- Lead the team in assists
- Run the offense smoothly
- All
love how the options aren’t biased at all haha. They’re lacking the option “none”
hahahahahha, i guess miami site has a local langoius there! :)
by bags fly free on Jul 24, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
more apropos
Carlos Arroyo will …
- Airball a clutch three
- Race down the court and turn it over
- Blame Darko for the error
- Darko was on the bench, but accepted the blame
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
by sauce1977 on Jul 25, 2010 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I miss Carlos
he still was my 4th favorite reserve point, after Lindsey Hunter, Mike James, and Tony Delk.
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
Carlos Arroyo is better at streetball than actual pro basketball.
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arroyo lit it up in the olympics
i always wondered how he could be so rad in those games and be such a non factor in the NBA.
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Let us not forgot that Denver pulled a fast one with with the Chauncy trade, pretending that they were gonna do the deal with Indiana for Tinsley. Dumars was so grateful to Denver for taking Chauncey for AI, that he threw in McDyess. and owed them 100 favors. One of which later turned out to be Spellcheck. According to rumors, we’ve had some pretty decent offers but Joe has failed to move on any of them…
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McDyess was a part of that deal because AI was getting paid $21M a year
Billups salary alone wouldn’t have been enough to make that trade and Denver never had much if any interest in McDyess anyways…hence why they waived him and he ended up back on Detroit.
And I don’t know what it was that ultimately forced JoD’s hand in that trade, but JoD was pushing for Carmelo, not AI…ultimately JoD wanted out of Chauncey’s contract and that’s what he got.
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by The Boourns on Jul 24, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter How McDeyss fit into the equation
we would probably still have him for the vets minimum if Joe wouldn’t have basicly said to him " you are expendable" . Aiming for Melo but settling for AI is pure bull! Denver wanted a point gaurd and they got one. they Just outsmarted smarty pants. They reached out to him and he took the bait. but yeah, JOE D RULES!!!!!!!!
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by soufpaw on Jul 24, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Afflalo wasn't Joe's fault entirely
His agent asked Joe to be traded, so while Joe was the guy that pulled the trigger, and he sent him to Denver of all places, it wasn’t done as a salary dump. The thing I found ironic about it was that Joe made Denver also take Sharpe as part of the package and still only got a second in return – you’d think we would have at least gotten a late first for Arron, but I guess Walter just has a lot of negative trade value
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 25, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I get the agent argument, but why should Joe bend on the request for a sophomore player that’s clearly worth something?
by brgulker on Jul 25, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that is the confusing part
I know that he respects his players, but why trade such a young promising player for just a low second rounder? Arron should have commanded at the very least a low to mid first rounder – as he did very well as a starter on a contending team, more than what most draft picks can say
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 25, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I really don't understand this mentality...(unless you're saying despite getting hoodwinked, at least we got Dyess back)
We got Dyess back. It was clear that Denver intended on waiving him from the outset of the trade and any rumors otherwise were only started to avoid a Ketih VanHorn/Stackhouse situation where it was obvious Denver had no interest in Dyess and that the Pistons would ultimately re-sign him 30 days later.
This was trading long-term for expiring deal at the same position and Dyess’s involvement was for salary matching only. And I’d argue that only in hindsight can you say that JoD got “hoodwinked”. We were all surprised by the trade, but I think most of us took it with cautionary optimism given the way AI first presented himself to the Detroit Sports Media (will do whatever it takes to win a championship).
All of the issues I had with this trade have more to do with the timing and impact on our remaining personnel than with the players involved in the trade itself:
- The timing (JoD trading away a locker room asset for a locker room problem 4 games into a rookie coach’s first season, while additionally making this trade this early on pretty much said to the rest of the team that Joe had no expectations of this team this season)
- The impact on personnel (JoD having a coach who was incapable of managing his personnel even slightly)
- The impact on development (Billups’ mentoring would have been the best thing for Stuckey’s development as a point guard)
- The contracts that were signed as a result (Gordon and CV)
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
We got Dyess back. It was clear that Denver intended on waiving him from the outset of the trade and any rumors otherwise were only started to avoid a Ketih VanHorn/Stackhouse situation where it was obvious Denver had no interest in Dyess and that the Pistons would ultimately re-sign him 30 days later.
That’s not how I remember it. My memory is that Denver wanted Dyess badly, but Dyess didn’t want to leave. I’m not about to fact-check that, though ;)
This was trading long-term for expiring deal at the same position and Dyess’s involvement was for salary matching only. And I’d argue that only in hindsight can you say that JoD got "hoodwinked".
Unless one was viscerally opposed from the moment it happened. Then, it’s not hindsight.
I agree with all your bullet points. Jod got “hoodwinked” or “caught of guard” or whatever phrase you want into thinking that AI wouldn’t be a net negative in any three of the first four.
Wait what?
“Unless one was viscerally opposed from the moment it happened, then it’s not hindsight.”
Shouldn’t this read, “Its not hindsight if one was viscerally opposed from the moment it happened?”
And we might be remembering the Dyess thing differently but my understanding was that JoD would have never willingly given up both players just for an expiring in AI and that he felt that knowing he was going to get Dyess back was what made this deal worth it.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
"Unless one was viscerally opposed from the moment it happened, then it’s not hindsight."
Shouldn’t this read, "Its not hindsight if one was viscerally opposed from the moment it happened?"
Tomato, tomato. Your sentence structure’s better, but they say the same thing. I was a lurker here until the Billups trade, at which point I decided to join the fray. I hated the trade from the moment I heard about it and suspected that if Jod meant anything he was saying about AI, it meant bad things in the long-term for our franchise, i.e., if you think AI’s the type of player that can help a team, you’re terribly misguided or naive.
I personally thought from day 1
that Dumars knew AI wasn’t going to help the team. I think he wanted to break up the team and start anew, while at the same time sending Billups to a good place (i.e. home). Denver made sense, and AI had an expiring contract. Whether that was a good plan or not, you can debate. However, I do not think for a second Dumars actually thought AI as a player or personality would help them. AI made it evident in Denver he wasn’t a winner capable of pushing teams over the top.
That said, I think Dumars should have bought AI out when he got him and/or just told him to stay at home right from the beginning. I think all the drama around AI hurt the team and chemistry.
I guess we could debate Joe’s inner thought processes forever :) I got the sense that everything you said is partly true. I think Jod realized AI was a risk that might (or might not) payoff. Worst-case scenario, he was expiring, and that’s what eventually happened. But given what he did with the money AI freed up, i.e., sign non-defensive volume scorers, I can’t help but wonder.
Okay no worries...
I was just trying to understand it and wasn’t sure whether I was reading it correctly.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jul 27, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
I don’t blame him for refusing to play there.
by handsomerob1 on Jul 26, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
True...
though I assume Dumars knew Dyess didn’t want to play there and assumed (or maybe even straight out made a a pre-arrangment such that) Dyess would return to Detroit.
So again there was always risk they could lose Dyess, but risk was probably low. They did end up losing him the next season though. Wish Dyess went to LA instead of SA though. I really liked/respected SA as a team but they’re time is done much like Detroit’s was. Difference is SA is trying to hold on to the team instead of blow it up.
yeah i read an awesome article on denver post awhile ago about making of this trade and JoD pretty much took the bait like a champ, they wanted billups, but joe wanted carmelo, then settled for iverson …
by bags fly free on Jul 25, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Well if he wanted Mello so bad he should of just drafted him in the first place.
God I wish I could get over that draft.
The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !
Where did my post state or even imply that I think Joe D rules because of this trade?
Maybe I’m bein overly-sensitive or maybe that is just a general statement thrown in at the end of your post but if you’re some how inferring that this is my take on this trade based on my response, then you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
Oh and saying that we most likely would still have McDyess on our team and for the veteran league’s minimum no less is fucking ridiculous. Was McDyess unhappy with feeling expendable and the lack of a heads up from JoD? Definitely. But had we not included him, would he have taken essentially a $3M pay cut per year over 4 years? Not on your life. He’s set to get paid $4.8M this year and $5.2M unguaranteed next year and JoD made it clear that our team last season would not be competing for a championship – the last thing that Dyess wants. So regardless of whether we had traded Chauncey, we would not have retained Dyess on our team for the vet league minimum.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I'm talking about drawing a line in the fucking sand
Dude seems to think that we would have been able to resign McDyess for the veteran league’s minimum if we hadn’t traded him to Denver. And I’m saying its fucking ridiculous to try to make that kind of assumption. And the main reason why its fucking ridiculous is because McDyess signed a deal that was almost the entire MLE when he signed with the Spurs so to think that he would have signed with a team in decline for the vet minimum is, as I said before, fucking ridiculous.
That is all.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
And just to be clear this is what I was referring to in the first place
From Soufpaw:
we would probably still have him for the vets minimum if Joe wouldn’t have basicly said to him " you are expendable"
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I agree
Dyess already showed his loyalty when he returned from the Denver trade, and I’m 95% sure that deal unofficially was agreed upon that he would be bought out in the first place. That doesn’t make sense for Joe to trade not only his best guard, but a very key big just for cap space, especially a player that refuses to play for Denver – unless if he is guaranteed to get said player back, just like the Big Z trade last year.
It would be too much expect Dyess to come back for the veterans minimum for 2 reasons:
1. We’re awful and he deserves to get his 1 ring. Big Ben already has one and nearly got 2 more (1 here and 1 w/ Cleveland)
2. He was a bargain deal here initially, and never got that big overpaid deal Big Ben got. It would be too much to expect him to turn down the money when we already had gotten prime value per dollar out of him.
Perhaps if he has anything left in the tank when his deal expires he may come back as a Sam Cassell role, basically only on the roster as a last resort due to injuries, primarily to help teach. However, I recall him saying he plans to retire after this year, and was considering retiring after the playoffs on the spot
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And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 31, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
JOE D RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is all.
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 24, 2010 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
george blaha’s quote from FREEP
“This season they (pistons) are in a position to perform at a championship level.”
its pretty amazing how someone can watch basketball for decades and still be clueless about it
Blahahaha
This season they (pistons) are in a position to perform at a championship level
He must have been talking about another NBA team, that’s the only thing I can think of.
Injuries can only explain so much, George. I know you’re really old, but c’mon son
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Maybe he was talking about Michigan State?
I know he’s a Spartan fanboy, he could have been talking about Izzo’s team.
//Trying to defend Blaha in some way’d
by handsomerob1 on Jul 25, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
"Oh, did I forget the part about my new job?"
“Oh yeah, I’ll be play-by-play announcer for the Miami Heat. Probably should have mentioned that first. I mean, you honestly didn’t think I was talking about the Pistons, right?”
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 25, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
blaha will be taking his talents to south beach this season.
by dandresden on Jul 25, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
20 games into the season
dude would be so fucking tired of saying “count that baby and a foul” that his voice would be devoid of enthusiasm.
“count… that baby… annafowl. burp”
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Drunk Blaha would be worth it.
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 25, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
The only people Dumars should scare
are Pistons season ticket holders.
ZING!
by motown313 on Jul 25, 2010 2:15 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
Even though you Zing’d yourself because I LOLOLOL’d.
by handsomerob1 on Jul 26, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
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