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Hittin' The Links: Potential Trading Partners, Expected Terrico White Deal, John Salley And Maybe Not Enough Lindsey Hunter

Happy July 26. The off-season lull is in full swing, so push through with these links

Star-divide

  •  These four have to step up this season if the Pistons plan to improve.
  • Why on Earth would anyone want to join the Celtics? Well, Shaq does. Shaq was also on stage at a Justin Bieber concert last night, so, yeah. I wonder if Bieber beat Shaq, too.
  • Selling the Pistons won't be easy. This brings back all initial concerns, despite Mrs. Davidson's expectation that the team will be sold by the start of the season.
  • The John Salley epiphany, induced by none other than Rony Seikaly
  • Next time I order a hot dog at a stadium, I'll have to remember to ask them to hold the mustard and puss-filled band-aids.
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    How Does A 6'10" Guy Fit Into A Rapide?

    And I agree, as usual, with young Mr. Goodwill’s analysis. I do wonder about CV31’s focus and his maturity. I once tweeted to him after the season, “defense wins rings”. Somehow, I think that tweet got ignored. Maybe if we can get everyone with a Twitter account to remind him….

    I can see Al Horford in a Pistons uni by next year. That makes more sense than Josh Smith. Tay will obviously be easier to deal than Rip.

    by V. on Jul 26, 2010 7:58 AM EDT reply actions  

    There was an article to go along with that ESPN OTL video

    They had a chart showing what percentage of violations stadiums across the country had. I think the Palace was in the 25-50% range, while the other Detroit venues were in the 50-75% range. There were several places in Florida at 100%.

    by handsomerob1 on Jul 26, 2010 8:55 AM EDT reply actions  

    I would have been all about a David West trade prior to drafting Greg Monroe. But now that we have Monroe, kid’s gotta get minutes if he’s going to make a successful transition to the NBA. I realize the plan is to play him at C and all, but adding another scoring PF won’t really help (IMO).

    by brgulker on Jul 26, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

    Ben Wallace shows me that it's not impossible to have Monroe at center.

    Not comparing the two by any means, Wallace had the genetics, experience, and work ethic, but he’s also smaller in height and played for shit coaches for stretches early in his career.

    Wallace could teach the kid to play center. It’s up to Monroe to build his body and his game up.

    "Let's go out and play like we're Chicago on NBA Jam." - Rasheed Wallace

    by Skylar on Jul 26, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I agree, and that’s my hopes, brother. I’m thinking in terms of Monroe’s long-term development, how does David West help? I like the idea of a scrappy, blue-collar PF/C to pair him with more than West, even though I really do like West’s game.

    by brgulker on Jul 26, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yes please.

    Sideshow Bob would be a very solid complement.

    Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

    by The Boourns on Jul 26, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I hate Anderson ''sideshow '' Varejao so much

    I never want to see him in a pistons uni. I would hate to have to see his ugly ass all the time.

    The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !

    by DetBalla on Jul 27, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    nice 1

    The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !

    by DetBalla on Jul 27, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I swear.

    No more Vare-chode suckfests around here!
    Dude’s a deutsch.

    by TDP on Jul 26, 2010 7:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    I'm with ya.

    I don’t EVER want to see that dude in a Piston uni.

    by Sean W on Jul 26, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    One way ticket to mediocrity

    Pistons work hard, we don’t flop hard

    by tads on Jul 27, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Actually I'd argue last season was nothing but a flop

    and with the exception of Stuckey, JJ, and BW nobody could really claim they “worked hard”.

    I think its stupid to hate a player for knowing and understanding the game better than most and subsequently taking advantage of a shitty rule.

    As Bill Bellamy (I think it was him anyway) once said, “Don’t hate the player, hate the game.” Varejao is a solid defensive player even without the flopping, and if there is anyone you should hate for Varejao’s flopping, it should be Stern for not only investigating but deciding NOT to incorporate an anti-flopping rule of some kind.

    Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

    by The Boourns on Jul 27, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Taking a charge and flopping are different things

    I’m talking about acting like you’re weak to garner sympathy from the ref. As far as 6-10 energy guys go, I’ll take JJ, as far as defensive centers, I don’t want a driving derrick rose to fear Varejao hitting the ground, I want derrick rose to fear derrick rose hitting the ground.

    by tads on Jul 27, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Dude, Rodman and Laimbeer flopped. They were pros at it. I love them both, but had they played for anyone else, I’d have hated their tactics with passion.

    by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Perhaps I’m wrong about pistons and flopping, but I still can’t get behind Varejao. You can’t really compare Rodman and Laimbeer to Varejao. Almost like comparing Chris Webber to Darko.

    by tads on Jul 27, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The Joel

    drops dimes on your mom’s forehead, for real. this earns a rec.

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    by Mike Payne on Jul 27, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    statistically

    Varejao was CLE’s second best player in terms of on/off-court.

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    by Mike Payne on Jul 27, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I still peruse the board. Things have been slow.

    By the way, how good was “Inception”? Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

    Like if “The Matrix” got gang-banged by Charlie Kaufman, Carl Jung, and Metal Gear Solid.

    by The Joel on Jul 27, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i would get over my hatred of him pretty quickly if he became a piston. i dont really hate him anymore anyways, its more of a mild dislike.

    by dandresden on Jul 27, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    still delaying the inevitable

    I’m waiting until the buzz dies down and the theaters will be near empty. for some reason, i always wait out the good ones…

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    by Mike Payne on Jul 27, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    it was pretty dope mp

    go see a matinee on a weekday, should be pretty empty.

    by dandresden on Jul 27, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Winner: The Joel

    Flawless. Victory.

    "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
    -ralphgoblue/thunder_god08

    by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 27, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The Joel is back, bitches.

    by brgulker on Jul 28, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Who would of thought?

    Dude gets 8/7 for his career, I thought it was an open and shut case. I guess thats what I get for hating Lebron (and never watching cavs games).

    by tads on Jul 28, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    ?


    And here I though he was from Brazil.

    by Grant E. on Jul 27, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    After seeing the Lakers dominate with their length...

    …I’m of the mindset of having Jerebko and Daye (6’10". 6’11") at SF, Villanueva and Monroe (6 10"?, 6’10"?) at PF, and two 6’11ers at Center. Long and smooth across the front line.

    by Quick Darshan on Jul 26, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    now you know three

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    by Mike Payne on Jul 26, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    rec

    "Let's go out and play like we're Chicago on NBA Jam." - Rasheed Wallace

    by Skylar on Jul 27, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I, along with Krusty the Klown,

    have a superfluous third nipple.

    My blogs: pakagankarachi.livejournal.com (dormant)
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    by MrHappyMushroom on Jul 27, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    PF

    I disagree with the common call to play the kid at Center. It’s only going to hurt him, which is only going to hurt us. He’s a PF. He has the skills of a PF. He’s GOOD at PF. If we play him at C we minimize his effectiveness and slow his development.

    Sure, it’s possible he’ll grow into a capable Center. But just because we have a roster full of combo-guard-point-centers doesn’t mean we should play everyone out of position. Just one guy in his natural position…please?

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    by heWizard on Jul 26, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I would rather have Okafor to pair with Monroe

    He would be the second defensive center (along with Big Ben) that we’ve wanted all offseason. He could keep Ben’s minutes at a more reasonable level too.

    by handsomerob1 on Jul 26, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Okafor is likely going to be packaged w/Chris Paul.

    "Let's go out and play like we're Chicago on NBA Jam." - Rasheed Wallace

    by Skylar on Jul 26, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Any chance

    we can get in on a three team trade with NOH and Orlando to get Okafor?

    NOH gets Jameer Nelson, VC, Gortat and picks
    ORL gets CP3 and Rip
    DET gets Okafor

    by Ctowne on Jul 26, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I like the sound of that

    Although I don’t know why Okafor HAS to be packaged with Paul if New Orleans knew they could move him indepently for an expiring deal of his own.

    But I do really like this trade above. Its too bad we couldn’t get Gortat out of it instead of Okafor but really not in the cards given NO’s involvement

    Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

    by The Boourns on Jul 26, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I would be happy with either

    I’m still hesitant on Gortat because he’s played mostly against second string guys throughout his career, but at least he would be cheaper.

    by handsomerob1 on Jul 27, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I mentioned this take on it after playing with the trade machine the other day. The issue with your exchange is that NO is taking in a lot more salary than they’re sending out, so it wouldn’t work under the cap. In that lil link, I left VC out since his contract causes problems, and if Tay is sent for Okafor they’d have $33+ expiring after this season anyway.

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    by Mike Payne on Jul 26, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm loving that trade Ctowne

    The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !

    by DetBalla on Jul 27, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    CP3 meeting is now, but espn is saying new hornets GM is turning calls down, and he’d be an idiot to trade paul anyways, i got a feeling new GM will just tell paul to STFU and play

    by bags fly free on Jul 26, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

    What if they get Brandon Roy in return

    via Hollinger twitter:

    Hornets stay competitive with Collison-Roy-West-Okafor and 11 cap space

    Trade Machine

    by Roll The Dyess on Jul 26, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    they can get some good value in return but CP3 is a franchise player, u dont trade those, i like this yahoo article on the issue
    http://yhoo.it/9QXQuJ

    by bags fly free on Jul 26, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I don’t get all the hate for superstars this summer. Great players want to win championships, and this batch seems self-aware enough to know they can’t do it alone.

    Don’t get me wrong, I hate the tactics. But I don’t hate the desire and motivation behind them.

    by brgulker on Jul 26, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    True. But, my problem is when they hamstring their teams by not committing (even if they are lying). So free agents are weary of taking less money to join the team. So many players are taking pay cuts to play in Miami. No one did that to play in Cleveland.

    Ferry was forced to put pieces around Lebron through trades. I thought he did a pretty good job considering.

    If Lebron committed to Cleveland the way he did to Miami, they would have a better team around him.

    by Quick Darshan on Jul 26, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I agree

    besides that. I actually enjoyed some of the games that I saw of Lebron and Wade going at each other. I think overall his signing hurts the NBA as a product. As I am sure that most of us are willing to watch teams that we dont like put up competitive matches rathaer than watch a team that we dont like dominate everyone.

    I think CP3 is off of the table. there are several sources quoting him as saying that he is now happy with the direction NO is heading.

    Formerly known as SCNTFC!

    by soufpaw on Jul 26, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you forgot the pistons

    I’m sure you just overlooked that. :D

    by FunkyDonut on Jul 26, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Rec'd

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    by heWizard on Jul 26, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Haven’t heard of many players demanding trades or making any splashes other than Lebron and Paul. Paul never claimed to be a Chosen One, or a King. Nor was he anointed the heir apparent to any of his predecessors. Not the case with LeBron. Yes he is a great player but he is also the self appointed Highness of all that has to do with basketball. so I take great issue when a player of his skill and douchery bows down to a rival. He clearly has the skill to earn the King and Chosen 1 label. But he doesn’t have the character. And in the words of Joe D. Character picks up where skill drops off. His character represents, in my eyes everything that I don’t want to see the NBA become.

    Formerly known as SCNTFC!

    by soufpaw on Jul 26, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I don’t disagree with that, man. I think LeBron’s a doosh. But I’m not going to let one prima donna ruin the NBA for me is all I’m sayin.

    by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

    dont read too much into my comments Gulk.

    I said “HE” represents what I dont want the NBA to become.

    Formerly known as SCNTFC!

    by soufpaw on Jul 27, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Green'd

    There are bound to be one or two surprises that aren’t in that group too. If The Controversial One has a good year I could see Sacramento getting into the postseason too.

    by handsomerob1 on Jul 27, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Great nickname for a non-Piston, or greatest nickname ever?

    by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Not sure

    but it’s easily the most controversial nickname ever.

    by handsomerob1 on Jul 27, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

    If Lebron committed to Cleveland the way he did to Miami, they would have a better team around him.

    I’m not sure what you’re saying here ,exactly. I’m not among those who thinks LBJ quit on Cleveland, if that’s it. I just didn’t see that. I saw a player who was very frustrated with awful coaching and scheming. To me, he looked like he was doing what he was asked to do, but what he was asked to do was poorly devised.

    If you’re saying that Cleveland didn’t go all in to put pieces around him, well, I don’t really agree with that either. Shaq, Varejao re-upping, Mo Williams, Jamison, Parker, Moon, and that’s mostly the past two seasons. They paid big money for complementary players, and it just wasn’t the right mix.

    by brgulker on Jul 26, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    not the right mix during the playoffs at least...

    they did have the NBA’s best record two years in a row

    seems like a good mix. they failed in the playoffs though, as we Detroit did as well a few years during our time. That’s just how it goes sometimes. We’ll wait and see how Miami turns out, though I suspect they’ll get at least one ring in the 6 years those guys are locked up unless things somehow go terribly, teribbly wrong.

    by mannie32 on Jul 26, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I agree.

    I just don’t think they’re the shoe-in that some seem to think … maybe two years of good drafting and savvy free agent signings later, they’re an unbeatable juggernaut. Maybe. But as it stands now, they are some other great teams who will give them all they can handle.

    by brgulker on Jul 26, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Success in the playoffs

    Is largely about match-ups and the talent of your top 7. “Depth” is much more important in the regular season, when coaches will go to 12 guys. In the playoffs, when you can play your top guys 40+ minutes each night and your scrubs never take off their sweats, things change. It’s easy to beat up on chumps in the regular season when you have LeBron and a deep cast of supporting guys, or you catch Boston on a back-to-back or without a KG for a night.

    From what I saw, Cleveland’s failures in the playoffs were more about Mike Brown than anyone. He, like a one F. Saunders — wait, that’s too obvious…like a one Flip S. — failed to make adjustments in long playoff series and suffered the consequences. Boston shored up to their best players, and adjusted their line-ups as the games went on.

    Not many teams can boast a crunch-time line-up that includes the talent of LeBron-Wade-Bosh-Miller. But yes…we’ll see.

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    by heWizard on Jul 26, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    like a one Flip S.

    Fourth Quarter Saunders?

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    by Mike Payne on Jul 26, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I agree, heWizard.

    Mike Brown was a disaster in the playoffs.

    by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm saying...

    …Cleveland couldn’t go all in to put pieces around him because there was no guarantee Lebron would stay so it was harder to get free agents to come.

    With Miami, already Miller and Haslem have taken pay cuts to join them. More will be on the way.

    I can’t even think of a big free agent that came to Cleveland during Lebron’s time. Maybe Mo Williams but I think that was a sign and trade. Did Lebron do any recruiting?

    by Quick Darshan on Jul 26, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i said that in a different thread.

    if LBJ had quit playing games and said “Im staying in Cleveland” other guys would have came there and signed with him. Look at jamison, varejao and williams. they are all stuck there now after coming so close to winning it all with no hope of a title now. not that i feel bad for those schmucks.

    by dandresden on Jul 26, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yeah its lebrons tactics that got him all the hate, rightfully so, him and his buddy maverick carter are making a joke out of nba

    by bags fly free on Jul 26, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/truebluepistons_100726.html

    i was and am skeptical of charlie v’s new focus and whether or not it will pay dividends, but we’ll see. it sure would be a great help if he was quicker, especially laterally, because that could help his defense.

    by mannie32 on Jul 26, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

    I think Arnie is a brilliant at what he does, but I’ll believe it when I see it, RE: CV’s workouts.

    by Gabe F-B on Jul 26, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    It’s just not the same when it’s not in English.

    And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue

    by DBB Diablo on Jul 26, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm happy with the trade talk

    It shows there is still potential for some moves that could alleviate some of the roster issues with this team. As much as I love Big Ben, we need a big bodied center for the future.

    by bezeerk on Jul 26, 2010 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

    Warning: Jud Buechler and Eric Montross herein.

    What would of topped it off is if John Crotty (in street cloths) proceeded to lift Lindsey off on his shoulders.

    And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue

    by DBB Diablo on Jul 26, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

    Sessions is probably going to Cleveland

    For Delonte West, maybe? I kind of like that team a lot without LeBron and the addition of Sessions.

    PG: Mo Williams/Ramon Sessions/Boobie Gibson
    SG: Anthony Parker/Ramon Sessions
    SF: Antawn Jamison/Jamario Moon
    PF: JJ Hickson
    C: Anderson Varejao

    It’s hard for me to hate those guys. Even my intense hatred for Varejao has melted into a weird respect — mainly because he’s improved his game a ton since his flop-fest in the 2007 playoffs. I love Sessions, Parker, and Hickson, and I like Jamison, Williams, and Moon. That team will be, like, a 25-30 win team, but they’ll hustle a lot and I’m sure they’ll be fun to watch.

    "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
    -ralphgoblue/thunder_god08

    by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 26, 2010 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

    Oops, forgot Leon Powe

    Who I really, really like. Hopefully he can come back healthy for them.

    "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
    -ralphgoblue/thunder_god08

    by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 26, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The combo of Moon at SF and Varejao at PF/C will help keep the team solid defensively. If Hickson improves and Powe is healthy, they’ll have a solid frontcourt. Sessions is a great match for that roster.

    by Gabe F-B on Jul 26, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i'm very interested to see how JJ plays this year

    but i don’t think i’ll be rooting for any of the other former lebrons

    by Roll The Dyess on Jul 26, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Ramon Sessons for Delonte "I fucked your mom, Bron" West

    is sooooooo David Kahn.

    "Let's go out and play like we're Chicago on NBA Jam." - Rasheed Wallace

    by Skylar on Jul 26, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    lol

    So true. Delonte and Beasley on the same team…..

    I might actually have to watch the TWolves out of curiosity.

    by Gabe F-B on Jul 26, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    NBA

    Where the munchies happens.

    by handsomerob1 on Jul 27, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    rec'd

    The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !

    by DetBalla on Jul 27, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    haha i wanted that story to be true so bad but it never made it to any major sites, i guess lebron just sucked dick against the C’s in that series

    by bags fly free on Jul 26, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Minnesota should've entered Stephon Marbury in summer league

    He could be ready in time for the season,

     Lefonte/Soopercool Beas/Starbursty

     Would destroy any and all who challenge

    "Let's go out and play like we're Chicago on NBA Jam." - Rasheed Wallace

    by Skylar on Jul 27, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

    That is a helluva NBA Jam team.

    by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

    yea while i don’t expect them to make the playoffs I do hope they overachieve and surprise some people

    by mannie32 on Jul 26, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Who will have a better record (barring trades): Detroit or Cleveland?

    IMO, a lot of it depends on the development of Daye, JJ, and Monroe, as well as Kuester’s minute distribution. But I think it’s within realistic possibility that Cleveland is fighting for the privilege of getting swept by Miami in the 1st.

    by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

    That would make for an interesting series.

    by Birdman84 on Jul 27, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

    A game four sweep of Cleveland at the Q

    Would be satisfying, if I’m being honest. I hate Cleveland even sans LBJ.

    by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Why in the world would anyone trade for Delonte West?

    Yeah, he can be a good player. But he’s a trainwreck, no? Be it mental health issues or just chronic immaturity, what are the odds that the guy has at least one—and possibly many—“incident(s)” next year and every year? Guys like Zack Randolph can be—with heads surgically removed from ass—potential game changers and maybe worth the gamble. But Delonte West is a mere component and one that seems almost certain to combust at some point.

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    by MrHappyMushroom on Jul 27, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    OT: While mowing the lawn today, I got stung by a hornet………IN THE EAR! What kind of hornet stings you in the ear?!? Seriously.

    by garrettelliott on Jul 26, 2010 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

    That's a serious dick move

    What kind of a dick bee does shit like that. Come on now.

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    by Mike Payne on Jul 26, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    speaking of dick moves
    SpearsNBAYahoo
      
    Cleveland trades Delonte West and Sebastian Telfair to Minnesota for Ramon Sessions, Ryan Hollins and a draft pick, a source told Y! Sports.

    by Roll The Dyess on Jul 26, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Am I wrong or has Telfair been traded to Minnesota nine times now?

    by TDP on Jul 26, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Sorry we broke up the family, Delonte

    On the other hand, a pick? I’m thinking that comes in handy in the future, depending if its a first or second round.

    by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 26, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Sacha Baron Cohen

    Is insulted.

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    by heWizard on Jul 27, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

    wait he traded sessions for delonte?

    and then waived delonte? so he traded sessions and the other guy and a pick for 4 million dollars in cap space?

    by dandresden on Jul 27, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Let's Play Devil's Advocate

    Delonte is bad for chemistry, is bipolar and probably (and accurately imho) judged too unstable to play. If you don’t believe me, see who picks him up after he gets waived.

    Now that Sessions will get a chance to play, we’ll see how much he develops.

    I will say this for Kahn, he does have a plan, for better or worse, and he’s been consistent. Should Darko by some chance get a heart transplant during the season, that $20M might not look like such a bad investment. FWIW, I’ve gotten all of his moves so far this season, and they’re not as bad as they seem if you sit down to analyze it.

    by V. on Jul 27, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I could not disagree more with this.

    Delonte West has been bipolar his entire career, and it hasn’t prevented him from playing well. If you can play significant minutes on a championship-caliber team then I don’t think you’re too unstable to play basketball. As for team chemistry, I’d compare Delonte more to Michael Beasley, in the sense that they both have issues but have never really had problems with teammates at any point in time.

    The Darko argument has been tossed around as long as he’s been in the league. If he was going to be anything more than he is right now, it would’ve happened years ago. He’s a bad player being paid way too much for too many years.

    What, exactly is Kahn’s plan? It seems like every time he moves to “fix” something, he just exacerbates whatever problem he was trying to fix. Rubio won’t come over because you drafted another PG? Sign Sessions! Can’t get Sessions the minutes he needs? Trade him for nothing and sign Ridnour!

    And seriously, there’s no way you can defend the Al Jefferson trade. If all you can get for a consistent 20-10 guy — who was the centerpiece of the KG trade — is two low 1st round picks, you are a horrible GM and should be fired immediately. And to make matters worse, he brings in Beasley, who plays even worse defense and makes absolutely no sense next to Kevin Love. Drafting Wes Johnson over Cousins was a huge mistake, and trading Luke Babbitt for Martell Webster was just confusing.

    How on earth can you defend this guy? Minnesota is going to be the worst team in the NBA next season, and it won’t be close. Kahn hired the worst coach in the NBA (Rambis) to direct the worst roster. He single-handedly destroyed what looked like a promising roster in two offseasons. That’s Matt Millen-level ineptitude.

    "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
    -ralphgoblue/thunder_god08

    by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 27, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Overstated

    But I admire your passion.

    Oh, don’t get me wrong, Kahn is a bad GM. It’s just that he’s not the worst. It’s kind of like with the coaches, you have about 4-5 top tier guys (Sloan, Pop, LB, Phil and maybe Nate), 3-4 competent ones, and the rest are claimers (included in that group, Flip, SVG, Brown, Doc). As bad as Kahn is, I can think of a half dozen which are worse. Note the recent SB post, as flawed as it was, that had Kahn only at #26 out of #30.

    It was clear to me he had to ship Jefferson, he had gotten fat and a little lazy in Minnesota, and needed motivation. I wouldn’t call Johnson over Cousins a “huge” mistake. Not when Cousins’ maturity and work ethic is frequently called into question.

    I wouldn’t say Darko is a bad player, not by a longshot. He has skills and can play, if he wants to. He chooses not to most of the time, prefers to play from the outside, prefers to play soft. In recent years, though, his defense has improved and he’s always been a very good passer. Closer to a Serbian KVH than anything else.

    Beasley suffers from being immature, but the reality is Kahn got last year’s #2 pick for two second rounders. I have no idea how anyone can criticize that move.

    Hey, look at the bright side, with someone as inept as Kahn, maybe JD can swindle him out of Love.

    by V. on Jul 27, 2010 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

    "He had gotten fat and a little lazy in Minnesota"

    Or he was coming off of a catastrophic knee injury — one that required more than a season to for him to fully recover. Jefferson has never been a lazy player, and he was hitting his stride before getting injured. He has a history of playing hard for some horrific teams (every T-Wolves team he’s been on, the tankapalooza 06-07 Celtics), so I wouldn’t call his effort into question. In fact, it’s pretty amazing he managed to put up the numbers he did coming off an injury like that.

    As for not taking Cousins, Kahn could’ve leveraged the demand for Cousins into assets of some sort, rather than standing pat and taking Johnson at 4. He could’ve turned the 4th pick into assets and still gotten Johnson or Aminu in the 6-10 range — for a lower salary — along with something else of value.

    Darko is a bad player. That is not debatable. He has -2 offensive win shares for his career. His career WS/48 is utterly horrific (.051). He is not even close to average at this point. Sure, Darko has the TOOLS to be a good player, but he’s shown no indication that he’ll ever use them effectively.

    Agreed on the Beaz, I guess. Getting him for 2 second rounders is pretty damn good value. My main problem with acquiring him was how hypocritical it makes Kahn look for getting rid of Jefferson — who is a superior player with a higher ceiling than Beasley. Still, Kahn took advantage of the Heat’s situation and made a very nice trade.

    "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
    -ralphgoblue/thunder_god08

    by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 27, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    bi-polar and...

    he bangs your team’s best player’s mom. there’s that too.

    Don't be callin' me dog cause I want ya to say it backwards - Tech N9ne

    by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Jul 27, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Cleveland ought to start Sessions and bring Mo Williams in as the Jason Terry/Jamal Crawford role, IMO.

    by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

    same

    IMO, Sessions/Parker/Moon/Jamison/Varejao, with Mo/Powe/Hickson as the main back-ups is probably a playoff team. Though if Gibson get lots of playing time because of coach ineptitude or injuries, he’ll drag things down.

    Ty at courtsideanalyst did a lot of stat digging back in the day which suggested that Sessions is a really good defender when matched against PG’s. If that holds true, Sessions, Parker, Moon and Varejao are all better than average defenders. If the Cavs can keep their defense at about the same level as last year (they might have the guys to do it), they’ll be a lot better able to withstand the fall on the offensive end that they are bound to take. Smart move by the Cavs :(

    by Gabe F-B on Jul 27, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

    The Hornets declared War on the Pistons!

    Starting with the ear of dbb’s own garretelliot.

    THEY CAN TAKE OUR EARS BUT, THEY’LL NEVER TAKE…

    OUR FREEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

    The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !

    by DetBalla on Jul 27, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Maybe for compensation, the hornets can gift us Chris Paul.

    by garrettelliott on Jul 27, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I for one

    would be willing to let bygones be bygones re the nose if we got Paul.

    by Toledo Joe on Jul 27, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I would actually be hoping for a Hornet to sting GE every summer if we got Paul.

    by brgulker on Jul 28, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

    That is a sacrifice I’m willing to make for the team.

    by garrettelliott on Jul 28, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I imagine this war going down much like Civilization 3

    HORNETS OFFER PEACE TREATY FOR 740 GOLD, LITERATURE, AND PEACE TREATY.

    by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 27, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

    I would rec a Civilization reference, but Civ 3 SUCKED! Civ 2 was the greatest game ever though.

    There's no justice like angry mob justice!

    by bugman222 on Jul 27, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Never played it

    What was the big difference?
    Civ 3 makes my brain hurt, so maybe its the suckiness that has something to do with it.

    by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 27, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

    civ games are great

    but windows vista isn’t. can’t play civ 4 anymore b/c microsoft is evil. love civ games, though. super addictive, always telling myself, 1 more turn. ends up being 5 hours later before i turned it off. only pc game that i’ve gotten that in to .

    by C$ on Jul 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Y'all ever play the free civ?

    It’s like playing CIV I but with every country imaginable, and you can customize just about everything.

    by tads on Jul 28, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You download it?

    I need a way to waste time instead of writing/emailing my financial aid lady.

    by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 29, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

    not yet, but I should give it a run next week. good lookin, tads.

    by C$ on Jul 30, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

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