Not so fast, Langlois...
I am an optimistic person. I am optimistic about all of our Detroit Pistons, and I am especially optimistic about Charlie Villanueva. If he were to play for stretches as a dominant 4 it would be good for the organization, help the rest of the team flourish, and even be a model for little kids with auto-immune disorders around the world.
As optimistic as I am, Keith Langlois seems to be a little TOO optimistic in his write up about Charlie V's performance in the 2010 Centrobasket, "Flying Colors". While Charlie V certainly put up a lot of big numbers, his performance comes with a lot of caveats and still shows areas of improvement.
Take a quick look at Villanueva Mejia, Charlie Alexander's stat line and some eye popping numbers jump out at you. 36/11 look like good numbers especially given that he only played 36 minutes.What was the most shocking to me was that he took 13 three pointers, making 7 of them on 54% shooting from deep. This is shocking because as the lone NBA player on a team full of smaller players, he probably had free reign offensively. Yet, he made the choice to gun it, even in a situation where he is the biggest man on the court, he would rather take it outside of the shortened 3 pt line. He shot more 3's than 2's and I can't say how many of those 2's are in the paint. I wonder if he allowed himself to get muscled out of the paint against competition that is below D-league caliber.
Defensively what you can see in his stat line is, nothing outside of the 9 defensive rebounds. Puerto Rico and their many smaller players stretched the floor and pulled CV away from the basket exposing his slow foot speed and stride mechanics. That explains a portion of what looks like the lack of defensive production, but some amount of it has to be either poor conditioning or a lingering injury. This may also explain his choice to linger around the three point line instead of banging in the post.
There isn't much video online to watch CV in this event, but you can see the last part of the final game on the videos below. This is from a Puerto Rican Station so there are a lot of cuts, but you can watch what happens from when the game is tied at 8:00 by doing as follows:
Take this youtube clip to 8:00.
At 9:05 switch to the 2nd video:
PR vs RD Medalla de ORO Centrobasket 2010 (via TvLunna)
PUERTO RICO VS REPUBLICA DOMINICANA 2 PARTE ULTIMOS MINUTOS (via jr4pr)
After watching both of these Charlie V's body language in the closing minutes of a very important game is very poor. It shows either very poor conditioning, which does not bode well considering he only played a fairly pedestrian 36 minutes, or that he has not fully healed from his foot injuries. There is a point in the game where the Dominican side is down 8 and Charlie goes to post up on an smaller person but gets pushed out. After a Dominican player shoots Charlie fails to get position for a rebound, falls to the floor and seemingly watches from the floor as the Puerto Rican side jogs down and hits the open man for a 3, putting them up 11. This part is particularly frustrating as it seems he needs a little more in his tank to at least get up off the floor in the final minutes.
Defensively, Puerto Rico stretches their offense forcing him to be unable to close out on the players on the wing allowing them to shoot it, or drive past him before he gets his balance. For someone who can play so well on offense on the outside, he does not have the conditioning or the foot speed to alter the shots of outside shooters late in this game.
I want to be positive, I really think it is hard to be that big, have that much range, and that much ability, and not be able to contribute to a team that wants to win big games. His work in DR shows that he can be good on a stat sheet, and to fulfill his role as big man on a tough, defensive minded team, he has a lot of work to do in the gym this summer.
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His team was losing.
That’s probably why he was shooting 3’s.
Am I missing some optimism joke or something?
Or did you just mistakenly spell optimistic correctly twice but also spell it incorrectly twice…with a correct and incorrect version appearing one sentence after the next…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I don’t think anyone would consider me an optimist regarding Charlie V, but in reality, I’m more hopeful for him than Ben Gordon. I think he has the chance to successfully be some type of cross between Corliss Williamson and Memo. He’ll never be a lockdown defender, and as such, he can’t carry your frontcourt by himself.
However, he shot a blistering percentage from the field, scored nearly half of his team’s points, and grabbed nearly a third of his team’s rebounds. It’s hard to fault him for appearing gassed by the end of the game – he was literally carrying their team.
There’s lots of reasons to be skeptical of Charlie’s conditioning after last season, but personally, I’m not sure this is one of them. To me, that 36 and 11 looks as legit as games like that come.
I agree
I also think that you (tads) are reading into this wayyyy too much. Honestly if he’s hot, and shoots 54% from 3, who cares if he chose to shoot 13? The only time you should be upset about your bigman shooting 3s is when he’s not making them, otherwise it spreads the floor and no matter how you try to spin it, is always worth more than a 2.
I get your point, Keith spun charlie even faster than meatspin, but still you seem upset about something fairly meaningless if you ask me. It’s his job to pimp out the pistons players, and I agree with br that the reason why he was gassed late in the game was very likely due to carrying his team the entire game. If anything, you should be happy that he put up such a dominant game as it is a sign of improvement.
There are 2 groups of people I always can rely on the Pistons organization to do a great job. The first would be their broadcast duo (Blaha and Special K). The second would be Kander and the training staff. If Arnie says CV is working hard and making improvement, then I believe him. Pretty much end of story.
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by bearded thundar on Jul 27, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
How am I reading anything into this?
All I did was say he had a really great game, appeared to play his heart out, and then looked tired at the end, understandably so.
If anything, you should be happy that he put up such a dominant game as it is a sign of improvement.
I am. And I’m actually defending Charlie V’s performance against what was said in the OP.
but still you seem upset about something fairly meaningless if you ask me.
What are you talking about, brother? I’m praising the dude for having a great game.
I guess my analysis of this little bit of footage is overly negative, perhaps because the footage is overly negative. Had I watched a clip that was edited a little more like this one from last years game I would have been more impressed, especially since his stat line this year is much improved from the PR v DR in 2009. I also would not have decided to ‘google meatspin’, and would therefore have those agonizing seconds of my life back.
That said, the competitor in anyone would leave that event thinking, “I came this close, next time I will put them away,” and then go back to the gym extra hard. His performance in this event will probably be shown to be amazing once some real footage surfaces, and I will probably be shown to be overreacting. His performance next year, however, will be even greater as the memory of this defeat lingers in his mind when he is working out the rest of this summer.
This seems like paralysis by analysis.
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 27, 2010 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
Perhaps
I was looking for footage of this for 3 days off and on and most of it is a puerto rican highlight film, like the first 8 minutes of the first video. After actually finding a chunk of undisturbed game playing I was really disappointed. The improvement needed by CV has never involved shooting, 3 pointers especially (he had the best percentage in the rotation last year), it involved toughness, especially down low. I wish I had something else to analyze, but what can you do.
While this may be unrealistic to look at this game and say he wasn’t a success, it is equally unrealistic to look at the stat lines and say that he accomplished everything he needed to this offseason
you can't judge this early
you can’t use his stat line from any national team game as indication of his conditioning or how far he has come. Judge him after the first couple months in the season with his real teammates playing against strong competition.
No one here knows what Kandor had him to, but the assumption is that he had him try to get “tough” due to what JoD said. Apart of being tough is also not getting injured as often as he did and also quick recovery. If he can stay healthy the whole season or miss just a handful of games (if that), then I would consider his conditioning regiment a success.
I remember early last season where he looked pretty good in the post, so I’m not going to kill him because he didn’t post up in a national game. Coaching could’ve been a huge factor also.
I’m sure coaching was a huge factor. I also bet the guard play was a huge factor too, if they can’t get you the ball then there might not have been a point of him going into the post. Puerto Rico was probably hounding their guards with Carlos Arroyo and JJ Barea.
I probably am reading too much into this, I guess that’s what happens when I spend all summer with no Piston news.
it's all good man
you’re like the rest of us just starved for some kind of info. I appreciate the posts; it gives me something to read and comment on. :)
LMAOOO, now if Langlois guarantees me that Charvie V. will shoot 54% from 3 point range every game in the NBA then I will give him a foot massage…
I'd massage more than his foot.
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 29, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe aint go ankles foo
cankles are where it’s at; it’s the only thing that protects him from MJ’s new Hitler ’stache

"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 29, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike, what the fuck is up with the Hitler mustache?
You guys are all a bunch of bandwagon ass cats. Ass cats I tell you!!!
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT
i think charlie sheen talked him into it after an all night hookers and gambling binge in atlantic city.
this is all exactly what I was looking to find out.
thank you gentlemen.
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT

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