chris paul to detroit?

by Danny D on Jul 28, 2010 10:44 AM EDT

http://www.pistonpowered.com/

Interesting trade idea over there by feldman that actually got some love.

In short,

Trade

Pistons receive:

Chris Paul (18.7 points, 4.2 rebounds, 10.7 assists, 0.2 blocks, 2.1 steals)
Emeka Okafor (10.4 points, 9.0 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 1.5 blocks, 0.7 steals)

Hornets receive:

Tayshaun Prince (13.5 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 0.4 blocks, 0.7 steals)
Rodney Stuckey (16.6 points, 3.8 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 0.2 blocks, 1.4 steals)
Greg Monroe (16.1 points, 9.6 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 1.5 blocks, 1.2 steals)
Austin Daye (5.1 points, 2.5 rebounds, 0.5 assists, 0.4 blocks, 0.4 steals)
Chris Wilcox (4.5 points, 3.4 rebounds, 0.4 assists, 0.4 blocks, 0.4 steals)
2012 first-round pick
2014 first-round pick
2011 Denver Nuggets second-round pick

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chris paul

probably the only player id like to do that for…
Since i believe hes the second comming of zeke. your basicly trading 5 picks for him— Daye and Monroe im counting— and i hate trading first round picks. feels like were morgaging our future. moreover, lord knows okafors contract is gonna hurt. but it is Chris Paul.

by Danny D on Jul 28, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions

Couple of questions

What do they do with Tayshaun (or Daye for that matter) when they still have Peja and Posey?

What would anyone do with Wilcox?

I realize Monroe is a hedge and probably gives good value, but isn’t he a lot like David West?

Stuckey probably backs up Collison.

I don’t see how this helps the Hornets very much.

by Big Z in Orlando on Jul 28, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions

Not worth it

Sure we’d have Chris Paul for 2 years, but once he leaves we have nothing. Like litterally nothing, no good young players, no first round picks nothing resembling a point guard for the next 2-3 years.

The only way I do that deal is we get Paul to agree to an extension, and even still that isn’t a very good lineup. Only 3 players on that roster can score with consistency, and that would, yet again, be our guards. If anything, that would be worse than Paul’s current situation because we wouldn’t have anyone that could fill the role of Collison and West. While not having a quality backup point guard may not be that big of a deal, it is a big issue that we would have no one in the front court that could create their own shot and put up at least 15 ppg consistently.

"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ

And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand

by bearded thundar on Jul 28, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions

You don't think a guy like CV would fluorish with CP3?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=villach01&y1=2010&p2=westda01&y2=2010

Here is last season’s stats comparison between the two.

Their O and D ratings are either exactly the same or at least comparable (West has a slightly higher O rating, but he’s also playing with CP3 and was healthy for most of the season).

Their per 36 stats are very similar and gasp…CV actually averaged more blocks per 36 (that is a surprise…). The main difference is obviously play style…CV can extend the floor with his tramp ball which oddly enough he ended up shooting at a 35% rate last season whereas my basic understanding of West’s game is that he is a great pick and roll/McDyess like mid-range jump shooter with some post game.

And not saying Bynum is comparable to Collison but we’d have the following lineup:

CP3/Bynum
Rip/Gordon
Jerebko/Summers
CV/Maxiell
Okafor/Wallace

Actually doesn’t seem that bad of a team to me…but completely agree on the part of ensuring we get an extension out of him.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jul 28, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh and White of course

We’d fill out our roster with some big man insurance in Art Parkhouski obviously.

And just think of the epicicity of Rose v. Paul 4 times a year.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jul 28, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions

in all honesty

I completely forgot about CV because the article didn’t mention him at all in the final roster.

Regardless, I do think that West is a better player purely because he has actually gone out and got said numbers in his 40 minutes of play not to mention much more efficiently. That is tougher to do then put up matching efficiency numbers in 20 minutes of play; if it wasn’t, CV would be considered a less efficient Bosh.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=villach01&y1=2009&p2=boshch01&y2=2009
That’s from last year, and what earned Charlie his paycheck

"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ

And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand

by bearded thundar on Jul 28, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions

The Hornets wouldn’t do this. It makes no sense for them. The Pistons wouldn’t do it, either. Dumars isn’t real big on sacrificing the future in favor of the present (especially right now. Look at the Billups trade). We’d be losing three first round, and maybe lottery, picks from this and a pick where he traditionally surprises people: 45-50.

Basically… no one would do this.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 28, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions

This is ridiculous

Chris Paul isn’t worth 3 first round pics (including Monroe), Tayshaun, and Stuckey. Not worth it. At all. Of course it would get love from their side.

GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!

by Twon82 on Jul 28, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions

im pretty torn

Which makes it a trade that seems reasonable, To get a chris paul your gonna give a ton. period. the guy is a legit 20 and 10 point guard.
I recall hearing about a trade for Magic Johnson by Jack Mclowskey offering the whole team to get him.

by Danny D on Jul 28, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Sign Me Up

I would absolutely trade the future—daye, monroe, stuckey, whoever—for a legit star who makes the guys around him better. I was amused when I read that pistonpowered post, as this is exactly the sort of trade I have been mulling over of late.

also, I think an okafor/charlie front court makes sense in the long term.

as an aside, in thinking about any chris paul trade, it seems to me that the team acquiring him would be giving away competent point guard X, whether it’s stuckey, jameer nelson, dre miller, or whoever…and if I’m the hornets I want to move that guy for more depth and/or trade assets, since collison would be the incumbent starter. so a 3-team trade which moves a point guard to a team in need (pacers? bobcats?) makes the most sense to me.

by ScottFL on Jul 28, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions

That makes a lot of sense...

And Indiana could get involved with an expiring like Murphy…although with Hansbrough still suffering from vertigo and inner ear problems, and Jeff Foster being the only other competent big on Indy aside from Hibbert, I don’t think Indy is interested in giving up Murphy at this point regardless of his expiring deal unless they get a big back too.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jul 28, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Am I taking crazy pills, or does it seem like a lot of people have quickly forgotten that Paul led a team co-starring Peja, David West, Tyson Chandler and a bunch of scrubs to 50+ wins (and the 5th best point differential in the league), then nearly took down the Spurs singlehandedly in a 7 game series at the age of 22…?!

As long as his teammates don’t totally suck, Chris Paul’s team is going to win a lot more than they lose.

The line-up Boourns posted above is a 50+ win team if Okafor and Wallace stay healthy.

by Gabe F-B on Jul 28, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions

I love crazy pills.

I don’t see why you would hesitate to do this deal if you’re Joe.

by Colin M on Jul 28, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Clearly

You didn’t see Greg Monroe’s final summer league game.

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by brgulker on Jul 28, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree

partially because that’s something I would say :p

But mainly because he was flat out dominant, to the point that I honestly would hesitate trading him when there’s a 75% chance CP3 leaves the first second of free agency, and probably an 85% chance he leaves the a week into free agency like LeBron

"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ

And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand

by bearded thundar on Jul 28, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions

sarcasm, MFBT!! :)

witty signature

by Mike Payne on Jul 28, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions

its a 50 win team for two years and then paul bolts.

by dandresden on Jul 28, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Hornets247.com blogger Ryan Schwan likes this trade

Schwan collected 14 offers from around the TrueHoop network. A trade with the Magic and this trade with the Pistons were rated the best.

I can see the Pistons doing it, especially if they can move Rip for something. The Hornets get expiring deals of Wilcox and Tay, plus young assets and draft picks. It is actually possible, albeit highly unlikely. Sign me up, though.

by Birdman84 on Jul 28, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions

Way Too Much

Take Daye or Monroe out of the picture, and a draft pick or two, and that would make more sense. I’m glad Dumars is the GM and not Feldman.

by V. on Jul 28, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions

3 way with orlando and new orleans

Ctowne brought this idea up originally, but i’ll expand on it.

New Orleans gets: Monroe, Daye, Carter, Nelson, Bass, and a 1st rounder from Orlando
Orlando gets: CP3, Hamilton
Detroit gets: Okafor, Gortat, and a 1st rounder from Orlando

We would then go out and sign Josh Howard with the MLE:

Stuckey/Bynum
Gordon/Howard/White
Prince/Jerebko/Summers
Charlie/Maxiell/Wilcox
Okafor/Gortat/Wallace

/I’M SICK OF NEEDING A CENTER!’d

by Roll The Dyess on Jul 28, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions