The center search: Andris Biedrins
by waulie on Jul 29, 2010 8:46 AM EDT
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I read an article about the affect the new owner might have on the Golden State Warriors. The link is below, but I am quoting the pertinent information.
Lacob sounded a lot more excited about Lee and Stephen Curry than he did about Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins.
Nothing wrong with that. I wouldn’t presume that these guys will definitely be traded. But it’s also something everybody in the league will be watching.
I have to admit that I know little about Biedrins. I rarely watch the Warriors play. He also had an injury-riddled season last year in which he only played 33 games. I gather he had surgery to repair a small tear in his abdominal muscle. He came into the league at 18 years old, and is still just 24. He has four years remaining on his contract at $9 mil per year. He's listed at 7'0" and 240 lbs, but I think he has a bit more bulk now. Here are his stats:
| Year | Team | G | GS | MPG | FG% | 3P% | FT% | OFF | DEF | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TO | PF | PPG |
| 04-05 | GSW | 30 | 1 | 12.8 | 0.577 | 0.000 | 0.475 | 1.6 | 2.4 | 3.9 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.8 | 0.40 | 2.90 | 3.6 |
| 05-06 | GSW | 68 | 2 | 14.7 | 0.638 | 0.000 | 0.306 | 1.8 | 2.3 | 4.2 | 0.4 | 0.3 | 0.7 | 0.50 | 2.79 | 3.8 |
| 06-07 | GSW | 82 | 63 | 29.0 | 0.599 | 0.000 | 0.521 | 3.1 | 6.2 | 9.3 | 1.1 | 0.8 | 1.7 | 1.45 | 3.71 | 9.5 |
| 07-08 | GSW | 76 | 59 | 27.3 | 0.626 | 0.000 | 0.620 | 3.4 | 6.4 | 9.8 | 1.0 | 0.7 | 1.2 | 1.12 | 3.45 | 10.5 |
| 08-09 | GSW | 62 | 58 | 30.0 | 0.578 | 0.000 | 0.551 | 3.6 | 7.6 | 11.2 | 2.0 | 1.0 | 1.6 | 1.77 | 3.81 | 11.9 |
| 09-10 | GSW | 33 | 29 | 23.1 | 0.591 | 0.000 | 0.160 | 1.9 | 5.9 | 7.8 | 1.7 | 0.6 | 1.3 | 0.97 | 3.55 | 5.0 |
| Career | -- | 351 | 212 | 24.1 | 0.603 | 0.000 | 0.519 | 2.7 | 5.4 | 8.1 | 1.1 | 0.7 | 1.3 | 1.12 | 3.41 | 8.1 |
Obviously, last year was not a good year. Looking at 06/07 through 08/09, the dude averaged about a double/double along with about 1.5 blocks and almost a steal in under 30 minutes a game. He is a very efficient scorer, but I'm guessing it cuts and put backs more than real offensive skill. He has a high foul rate.
It's possible GS would like to move both Ellis and Beidrins together. In that case, I don't think the Pistons would get involved. However, if they are open to moving Biedrins alone, he might be just the kind of player who could resurrect his career in Detroit. Prince for Biedrins works straight up, but the Pistons would be taking on significant long-term salary for the risks associated with Biedrins.
Maybe GS would go for Wilcox and Max? They would still save $1 mil this year and cut $18 mil off long-term salary. The Pistons could add a second round pick or two (they have tons of them). Because of his contract and the risk, I don't think you trade for him without moving at least some long-term salary in the deal.
Is Biedrins worth a shot?
What would it take to get him?
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He makes Ben Wallace look like Billups at the free throw line. He actually stops his stroke at the very height of it and then flicks his wrists to shoot the ball. Go watch a vid of it. When someone is so messed up with basic shooting mechanics, I don’t want to go near him.
Ben Wallace has shot 41.7% from the stripe for his career. Biedrins has shot 51.9%.
Wallace’s best year was 49%. Biedrins’ was 62%.
His shot is ugly, but it does go in at a significantly higher rate than Ben’s.
Last year he shot 16%. From what I recall, that is the worst free throw percentage of a starter in NBA history, by a wide margin too. Something like 15%.
There were stretches last year where he shot around 7% from the stripe. He has no mechanics and while it worked for Ben because he just happened to be one of the greatest defensive players to ever play the game, Beidrins doesn’t even compare on the defensive side of things.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I just think it was a mental thing this past season
He’s never shot that badly before. He should be at least a 50% FT shooter.
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 29, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i read that he had corrected his stroke in the past
but last year nellie said fuck it dont bother and he went back to some old way that he used to shoot it.
"through the legs"
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT
Assuming health, it’s an interesting scenario. He’s sort of the type of blue collar guy that would make sense next to a CV/Monroe PF combo, at least from what I’ve seen of him. He’s not really a defensive stopper, but I’ve always been impressed by how he hits the boards.
It is a relatively large investment, though. I think the contract is reasonable, but four years is a lot of time.
As to what GS would want? Who knows? That franchise is whack.
I think they'd take Prince
At most, he average 3.3 assists a game, which I think would improve some in Golden State with the wide-open offense they run. I don’t know as of late how he’s done against Kobe, but he matches up well with him. We’ve even talked about how much better he would fit in the Western Conference due to the fact there’s not a Lebron/Paul Pierce guy out there; the best small forward he would cover would be Carmelo Anthony. I think he would at least fit well in that system.
The thing is though, do we really want Biedrins for that? Prince expires next year, and we could use that money and try to get Marc Gasol, who I’ve already been lobbying on Facebook to come to Detroit next season. And trust me, I posted it on his wall in Spanish, he’s gonna listen.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 29, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think they'd take Prince too
but I don’t think I’d do that. It’s just too much long-term money coming in for a player with risks.
There is no way we can go after anyone by just letting Prince expire. It would require other moves ditching long-term salary for expirings to get us anywhere near significant cap space. The possibility of the Pistons having significant cap space for the next couple years is close to zero.
Then again,
how do you say “mid level exception” in spanish?
Did you use spain spanish or mexian spanish???
by Roll The Dyess on Jul 29, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Mexian. Of course.
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT
by Skylar on Jul 29, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No thank you on Biedrins
I had a man crush on Biedrins in his breakout season back in ‘06. I talked him up quite a bit here (he was the Ramon Sessions of my DBB youth), suggesting that he could be a poor man’s Ben Wallace. I’ve watched the kid very closely since then, and have seen his name come up a lot recently for a possible starting center for the Pistons. While the numbers are great, this is a case where they only tell half the story.
Biedrins is a solid rebounder and a good shot blocker. He’s fully aware at how terrible of a shooter he is, so he only takes a shot he’s convinced he can make— hence the high shooting percentage. He led the league in FG% a few years ago, which is pretty insane if you’ve ever seen the guy shoot the ball. It’s ugly. You know what else is crazy? He led the league in offensive rating that year. He owes most of that to Don Nelson, but still it’s an interesting little statistic for such a terrible shooter.
Biedrins is also quite thin, and has a lot of trouble with bigger centers who can push him around in the post. For a guy so committed to rebounding, it seems like defense isn’t something that interests him. Sure, that might change in a system beyond Nelson’s, but you have to wonder why dude struggles with PT in Golden State. Before talking through that part of the equation, its important to note that Biedrins’ greatest weakness is not his free throw shooting, but his defense. If Charlie V is one of the league’s worst defenders (but still a decent shot blocker), then Andris Biedrins is just a notch or two above (and still a decent shot blocker).
What this team needs is a bruiser, a hungry defender who gets excited about shutting the other guy down. Biedrins is just not that guy. We need rebounding, we need shot blocking, but we need DEFENSE before we need anything else. Our PFs are just too much of a concern on the defensive end that adding a poor defensive center to the mix would crush this team.
Last, Biedrins likes to foul. His fouling is one of the main reasons he can’t stay on court for Nellie. His lack of a defensive game contributes to fouls, as it becomes one of his only outs when he has a tough assignment. Those fouls might lock him to 28 minutes per game in Detroit, not enough for what this team needs (and not enough for $9M/yr.).
I like Biedrins, I have been a fan of his for some time, and I’ve always wanted to see him in a Pistons uni. But the way our roster is currently constructed, and that our needs are entirely focused on post defense, Biedrins is just not a good solution. We may end up effectively worse with him in our starting lineup.
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For a guy so committed to rebounding, it seems like defense isn’t something that interests him. Sure, that might change in a system beyond Nelson’s, but you have to wonder why dude struggles with PT in Golden State
I think the first answer is hidden in plain sight: he plays for Don Nelson. I think the second answer is hidden in plain sight: he plays for Don Nelson.
I don’t think he’s the solution either, but I think you’ve got to take everything that happens in GS under Don Nelson — literally everything — with a grain of salt. With the right coach, I think there’s still plenty of potential in the dude, although it sounds like you’ve watched him more than anyone at this point and probably have a better sense than I would.
He’s fully aware at how terrible of a shooter he is, so he only takes a shot he’s convinced he can make— hence the high shooting percentage.
Do you take this as a pro or con? I’d take it as a pro, given the rest of our roster, because I don’t think there will be that many shots to be had for whatever C we eventually end up with.
I think the first answer is hidden in plain sight: he plays for Don Nelson. I think the second answer is hidden in plain sight: he plays for Don Nelson.
I think the first answer is hidden in plain sight: dude has a serious problem with fouling. Yes, Nelson plays into that a lot, but he fouls a lot and can’t stop his man from scoring on him.
Do you take this as a pro or con?
A pro, absolutely.
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Thanks for the input
Like I said, I’ve barely seen him play and it is so tough to judge defense purely on stats.
When I was writing this post, I did look up Draft Expresses take on him. Here is an excerpt from 2008:
Defense: Very hard worker and the only one on Golden State’s roster who’s role revolves around the defensive end. Good weakside shot blocker. Very tough on the block. Uses leverage to push his man off his spot. Tries to go straight up on shots, but makes some mistakes. Commits quite a few fouls when rotating to meet weak-side penetration. Very effective one-on-one in close in comparison to the average player. Great rebounder. Scrappy in the paint. Good timing. Anticipation will come around in time. Experience will only make him better.
Frankly, I tend to trust your take since you’ve really watched the guy.
I guess the “experience will only make him better” part is what still intrigues me. He was on a consistent path of improvement until last year and he is only 24. Interestingly, his foul rate did not improve over that time.
I would guess that playing for GS probably inflates his foul rate quite a bit. He probably was trying to contest way more unimpeded slashers and weak side penetration than any other center in the league.
I think Biedrins D would be much better in Detroit, especially if he were acquired now and spent two years with Wallace (in the weight room as well). Basically, to make Biedrins work in Golden State, they would have needed a tough, defensive minded 4 to help manage the dirty work. While I think Biedrins has room for improvement and could be a better defender than he is, our PFs are just not a good match with Biedrins.
For it to work, Biedrins would have to make some serious, MIP-level improvements in defense. I’m not going to say he can’t do that, but there are so many variables involved in his development (and as many risks) that it’s a far-less-than-optimal situation. Frankly, and it pains me to say this, but I’d rather have Dalembert.
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Basically, to make Biedrins work in Golden State, they would have needed a tough, defensive minded 4 to help manage the dirty work
Boodoh?
Ideally
Captain Kirk will invent some kind of fusion chamber such that we can combine Maxiell and Monroe into one player that would be 7 feet tall, massive wingspan, explosive athlete, tremendously skilled and you better bet that he can stroke it from deep.
But sadly that will never happen, and I’m really wishing that we had traded to get Carracter late in the draft. He seems to fit that bruiser mentality, and he’s also actually big enough to play center. To be honest, I don’t think you can count beyond your fingers how many true buisers there are left in the league. Flat out they are just a dying breed, and the ones that do play that physical tend to do so due to size limitations (such as Landry and Maxy). I’m willing to bet that it will be much more practical to get a lineup of very tall, finesse front court players (like the Lakers) than it would be to try and recreate that 04 Pistons as those kinds of players just don’t exist anymore (with the exception of Cousins, of course)
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by bearded thundar on Jul 29, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
funny enough
a Caracter and Biedrins front court would actually work quite well together.
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if
Caracter performs on par with his summer league numbers, which needs a salt mine sized grain to hold water of course.
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regardless of the numbers
I was impressed by his pure strength, size and footwork. I think the guy will be a very valuable asset for the Lakers in the playoffs
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by bearded thundar on Jul 29, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And Amir was Toronto's 2nd best player last year
Now if he could just stop FOULING so much…
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 29, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
being toronto 2nd best player
is like being the tastiest piece of shit.
by dandresden on Jul 29, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They were 40-42
Which is a hell of a lot better than we were, and that was without Chris Bosh for 12 games, Bargnani as their starting Centre, and Turkoglu not giving a shit. Glass houses, mate.
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 29, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't think you blame ANYONE on Golden State for whatever playing time they got under Nellie
He’s very eccentric, and he doesn’t play people based on merit. He was playing Mikki Moore as a starter earlier this year. I really like Biedrins, and while I agree he can get pushed around by bigger centers, how many really big centers would he really have to deal with? It’s not like he’s taking on Shaq in his prime. There aren’t a ton of guys that can just out-muscle him in the post, especially in the Eastern Conference. Plus, he’s making a flat $9 million a year. For a guy that rebounds and defends like he does — especially considering what other people are getting paid after this offseason — that’s a pretty good deal.
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 29, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want a skinny center.
I want Ben Wallace Jr.
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT
for the record
since my other comment was thought to be serious, I spent the night after getting home watching cop dramas. I am not actually suggesting I am demanding that you turn in a badge of some sort.
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wat?
Well your spelling seems to be in order this time, but why in the hell would we want Ellis? He’s not only a cancer, but also we’re overstocked at guards who can’t play a true position anyways
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by bearded thundar on Jul 31, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
why not?
salary wise they are very close, and talent wise Prince is better, but both teams are short on bigs so Biedrins actually holds more value
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by bearded thundar on Jul 31, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
once again, why not?
we need a good center, and have 4 SF, not to mention Rodney + Rip can play the 3 in a pinch also
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by bearded thundar on Jul 31, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
"we need a good center"
Biedrins isn’t the answer at center and the length of his contract is another reason the trade won’t happen.
He's still an upgrade
No one says he’s the answer, but I’ll take a great rebounding center that scores efficiently but doesn’t play defense over Wilcox any day
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by bearded thundar on Jul 31, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd take James Edwards out of retirement over Chris
by SmittyJ on Aug 1, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly my point
I really see no reason to bring back Prince after this season unless if he’s willing to take a major pay cut. The best thing to do is trade him for a competent big man while we can
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by bearded thundar on Aug 1, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Gimme Scott Hastings or gimme death.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Okay, so I know this isn't a new conversation
but who are we interested in at center?
I’ve got love for Okafor (but not his contract). We have Biedrins here along with Biz Markie Moon’s efforts spearheading the Spanish language movement for young Gasol. Langlois brought up Perkins and Przybilla in the mailbag today. Who here makes sense as a defensive and rebounding 5? Who else is out there that we would have a chance at getting?
My only regret is that I couldn't use Comic Sans for the recruitment.
Who’s watched Fesenko? Isn’t he pretty much a bruiser?
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 29, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That's really the issue
It’s really tough to get a defensive, rebounding, shot blocking, bruiser of a center in trade. Your only hope is to get one with an inflated contract (e.g. Okafor). Otherwise, you basically have to draft one or trade for or sign a project and hope to hell he developes.
The likely candidates (within the next year), in order of value:
1. Okafor
2. Gortat
3. Dalembert
4. Perkins
The very un-likely candidates (within the next year), in order of value:
1. Gasol
2. Horford
3. Nene
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I think he's a bit overrated
he’s a pretty good rebounder, but he’s undersized without the strength that Big Ben and as such isn’t nearly as good of a defender as he could be (the skill and awareness is there) if he played PF instead. Also I happen to think he’s a mediocre scorer, I think 15 ppg is the minimum when you talk about star big men
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by bearded thundar on Jul 29, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He'd score more if Johnson wasn't constantly dominating the ball
That team would be so much better off with a distributing Point Guard (like Sessions) and a pure shooter at SG than having Johnson, and Horford/Smith’s numbers would definitely increase. That’s what makes JJ’s contract so much dumber — they’d be better team spending 40% of that money on two players (maybe trading for Sessions and making a run at Reddick, for example).
I love Horford. He was getting in Boston’s face as a rookie. The guy is fearless, plays good defense, scores efficiently, and is a leader.
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 29, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I would put Gortat above Okafor in terms of value for the fact that he is much younger and can still improve, and his contract is way better. He’s also much bigger.
I would do the same
but we need to avoid getting ahead of ourselves, Gortat is still roundly unproven.
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We need a big Center like Gortat
The potential for the big lineup would be awesome.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
But what would it take?
I have a hard time seeing what we have that would interest the Magic. Maybe Tay and JJ for Gortat and Pietrus? Not that I’d like seeing JJ go…
I love Mickael Pietrus
As much as I love JJ, I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Gortat is pretty great, too.
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 29, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Gortat isn't very big imo
He’s tall, but not big. I would call guys like Perkins, Sheed and Dwight “big”
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by bearded thundar on Jul 29, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
*point being
I don’t think he would solve all our problems. Yes he has excellent defensive numbers in Orlando, but they also have a few top notch perimeter defenders in Pietrus, (Barnes) and Reddick and a very good system compared to ours
I think he would be a great holdover starter, but not one a permanent option for contending if Monroe is to play alongside him
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by bearded thundar on Jul 29, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes he has excellent defensive numbers in Orlando, but they also have a few top notch perimeter defenders in Pietrus, (Barnes) and Reddick and a very good system compared to ours
You’d think, since Gortat shared the court with these guys moreso than other ORL starters, he’d have near equivalent defensive ratings as those guys. Funny enough, his number is 5-10 points lower than theirs each season. I’m not mentioning this to say your point isn’t valid, only that I find it interesting.
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Gortat is a question mark
Given his limited minutes on a very good team and backing up Dwight bring up questions about how good he is.
I don’t see him as a center that will make this team great, but while I think his potential is overrated his “unknown” has enough positive perception for me to lead me to believe that he can be a nice patch within a rotation that features Ben and Monroe.
I’d prefer a guy like Perkins, but wouldn’t mind giving a chance to Gortat, mostly because the crop of the kind of big we want is very limited and as a question mark he features positively among the best of the rest.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Given his limited minutes on a very good team and backing up Dwight bring up questions about how good he is
While I agree, note that Gortat has shared virtually zero minutes on court with Dwight, which would suggest that Dwight has virtually zero impact on the record Gortat has produced. I found that to be pretty interesting meeself.
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Yes, that had been brough up before (by you I think)
What I intended to say, which I didn’t say, was that he is a position were little is demanded of him. He is there basically just to provide a breather to Dwight or to cover for him when he is in foul trouble. While he has done a good job of that so far, enough to get the offer he got from the Mavs, over here the demands would be larger and for a more extended period of time.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
I’m not drinking the Gortat Kool Aid just yet, but he is intriguing.
by garrettelliott on Jul 29, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah...
And the point that this mentality is missing, is the fact that Gortat has to defend Dwight Howard every fucking practice. That alone forces you to become a better defender.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
i'd hate to see your grandma
on Ben Gordon. Unless it was some kind of weird porno, then yeah.
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chill
it was meant as a joke, even I of all people got that (and I simply don’t believe in the existence of sarcasm)
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by bearded thundar on Jul 31, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know
isn’t it great?
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 31, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats not a joke
and if it was it was very tasteless, shouldn’t be dropping Grandma jokes and referring to porn. Whatever, joking w me is all good just keep it about us and not family b/c it always turns personal.
Not true!
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 31, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless your Grandma can defend NBA shooting guards competently
If that’s the case, I stand corrected.
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 31, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing about size
weight is recorded in a players rookie season and not regularly updated. Gortat’s rookie weight of 240 #s could be 15 #s ago. I really wish the league would mandate annual weigh-ins at the start of each season, and that stat providers would collect and update this data.
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still weight doesn't equal size nor strength
Bone and muscle density play into a lot. Now there is a correlation between the weight and size after you take into account body fat and height, but that is not the same as causation (due to genetic factors).
For instance, Perkins is probably the strongest player in the NBA and he weighs 280 where as Dwight weighs 265. That makes sense. However KG has a very tiny frame (and thus not much size) and weighs only 254 but I would be willing to wager he is just as strong as Dwight and considerably stronger than Brand (who weighs the same amount) purely because of genetics. Garnette was able to effectively shut down Howard at times in the playoffs by simply bodying him up and cutting off a path to the rim, which looking at the numbers would be inexplicable if you didn’t take into account genetics.
Long story short, I’ve seen Gortat get pushed around by some of the bigger centers, and so even if he did weigh 250+, I would not consider him “big” as he doesn’t seem to have same muscle density as guys like Big Ben (who by all means is a genetic freak).
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 29, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If you read “The Art of the Beautiful Game” they talk a bit about this sort of thing. The gist is that veterans (like Garnett and Mark Aguirre, in one of the book’s examples) have a whole bag of sneaky tricks that completely neutralize big, fast, strong dudes (mostly involving pinning their legs and feet down so they can’t out-jump you). Dwight is trying to learn the tricks, but concedes in the book that he doesn’t focus on it 100% of the time, and therefor isn’t as good of a rebounder as he probably could be. I don’t know how strong Garnett is, but you really think he’s as strong as Dwight, who can lift around 345 max? For comparison, it’s rumoured that Shaq and Wilt could bench around 460 in their primes, and Ben Wallace could bench 460.
by garrettelliott on Jul 29, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't doubt that Dwight has more muscle
But rotational strength has a lot more to do with positioning than it does with actual force generated.
Boxing is a good example of this, as punching is purely about having a strong core and flawless form. The bigger boxer isn’t necessarily the one that wins, it’s the smarter and better trained one that usually takes the bout
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And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 29, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to take KG’s word on this one. As one of the most dominant PFs in the league for the past decade plus, if he says he’s found ways to better position his wiry frame so that he can out-rebound bigger players, I’m going to believe him.
I'm sure his intensity brings his strenght up a notch
And those fists to the chest.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
And those fists in his ass.
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT
by Skylar on Jul 30, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we could somehow get Nene, I would be ecstatic
He is so absurdly underrated. NBA 2K10 has Kenyon Martin rated higher than him (but they’re morons, so that’s to be expected). The guy led the Nuggets in win shares last year, and routinely puts up Offensive Ratings over 120 with above-average usage (unlike Biedrins and other low-usage guys).
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 29, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Too bad he's not available at all.
Sigh…
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jul 29, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a free agent next summer
albeit with an ETO. I listed him as “not likely” because he’ll likely earn more than we can afford. He is, technically, available within a year.
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Ain't NeNe gettin a little long in the tooth though
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT
he's 27 now
he’ll b e 28 to start the season. if he can be had for $8 under the new CBA (I fully realize this is crazy talk), sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyit.
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT
Letting them keep Afflalo and taking Nene
seems rather fair if you ask me.
Also, clean break with Allen Iverson. What’s that worth, McNuggets’ Brass?
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT
I'm being honest right now
Greg Monroe has a long way to go, but he’s only 20. Three years from now, he may develop into a decent full-time PF part-time C.
I’m skeptical any of the above will become available to us in the near future. Beyond Monroe’s development, I think we have to look to the next two years of the draft.
I don't like Perkins, but
dude is basically what we’re looking for, minus the serious knee injury of course.
I was wondering about Fesenko as well. I just don’t know anything about him.
There’s also Kosta Koufos, who I understand Minny is more than willing to trade after acquiring him in the Al Jeff deal.
Frankly, it probably makes more sense to sign or trade for a cheap project at this point.
If NBA 2K9 for the PS2 is to be believed
then in four years, given the right situation, Kosta Koufos is a top 5 center and top 25 player.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 29, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
You should see how sweet Rodney Stuckey was after I traded him to the Rockets for Aaron Brooks! He went from a 65 rating with my Pistons to an 83 rating with the Rockets!
My greatest 2k9 moment ever
I was playing a game as the Clippers. I traded Tim Thomas to the Bucks for Charlie Villaneuva. I traded Marcus Camby to the Grizzlies for Rudy Gay. Now, on 2k9, Rudy Gay is an 80 something and V-Nuv is at 77. Played a season, barely missed the playoffs. The next season, I noticed the Mavericks where, for some reason, godawful. My guess is that it had something to do with Jason Kidd being on the decline.
So I offered, to the Mavs, Charlie Villaneuva and Baron Davis and my first round draft pick, for Dirk Nowitzki and their first round draft pick. They accepted. That season, I won the NBA championship with these starters:
Who gives a shit
Eric Gordon (he was coming into his own)
Rudy Gay (now at about a 90 player rating)
Dirk Nowitzki
Chris Kaman
Come draft time, the Mavericks had the best chance at the number one pick overall, and they got it. So basically, I turned a stretch forward and a point guard on the decline into a stud, a championship, and a great up-coming point guard.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 29, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And that’s how you do it.
I just ended the season I mentioned above. I imported the draft class that I downloaded from 2k’s servers. I managed to trade for several first round picks, and I ended up drafting Evan Turner and DeMarcus Cousins in the first round. Also factor in that I managed to dump Rip’s contract for expirings and simply let Tay expire, I wound up with enough money to sign Carlos Boozer to a $15 million per FA deal.
And I picked up Whiteside or Varnado in the 2nd round, don’t remember which.
Brooks/Turner
Gordon/Turner
Jerebko/Daye
Boozer/2nd rounder
Cousins/2nd rounder
I fully expect to win multiple championships with that lineup.
If you turn up the game sliders,
anyone is a beast in 2K…I learned that about 3 minutes into the game. That and I got really tired of losing every god damn game.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Personally I blame the lack of a skyhook programmed into the game mechanics.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 2, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
My favorite use of game sliders
Is turning down the other team’s attributes. Watching LeBron airball open jump shots and whiff on dunks is glorious. It’s the like the video game equivalent of sad trombone.
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by Thom_not_Tom on Aug 2, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah 2K reality is great
I have Stuckey leading the league in assists right now. And he regularly throws down sick dunks…
I can get Rip to regularly do Lebron type dunks and we all know he can barely put the ball in there, much less be creative about it.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 29, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, so he can rebound and block shots.
But how much shit can he kick defensively? This is important!
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 29, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions
kick you say?
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 29, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
picture of Mike Dunleavy in 3.....2.....1.....
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 29, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
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