Lakers close to signing Delonte West
by soufpaw on Jul 30, 2010 6:07 PM EDT
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Once you get past all of the crazy jokes of Artest and Delonte being on the same squad I think this would be a good move for the Lakers. And of course it would provide an awesome behind the scenes storyline If the heat and LA happens to meet up in next years finals. I can see Gloria James on the sidelines now...
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This Signing Verfiies That Mitch Kupchak
…is a claimer of a GM who got very, very lucky when he got to make a trade with Chris Wallace, who is an even bigger claimer of a GM.
Why Jackson would prefer West over Vucajic is a mystery to me.
What’s really TFF is that outside of a Tweet from CV31 about it, you’d never hear from the mainstream media Delonte was tapping LBJ’s mama.
Forgive The Doube Post, Let Me Explain
We all know Artest is batshit crazy, but I never had any doubt in my mind that he could play with Kobe. Defense wins rings, and Artest is a great defender, if he were born 10 years earlier he would’ve been a Bad Boy, for certain (could you imagine a front line of him, Lam, and Mahorn?).
DWest has accomplished little, is emotionally unbalanced, shoots 32.3% from the arc, and I will always wonder a bit what small part of him hooking up with BronBron’s mom was the final straw that convinced LBJ to leave Cleveland (not the Cavs per se, but Ohio in general).
Kupchak prefers him because he's better at basketball
West shoots 37% from 3 for his career – the same as The Machine. Last year Vujacic shot 31%. West has a slightly higher per and nearly double the winshares.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westde01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vujacsa01.html
Also, from what I’ve seen, West is a better ball handler and can create some for himself. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen him hit timely, tough midrange jumpers against the Pistons. He’s mentally ill, but I’d take him on the Pistons if we guard play was a need.
by Colin M on Jul 30, 2010 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Vujacic is superior
at being a bitch.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
by Kriz on Jul 31, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
and at taking
bad shots at key moments late in the game
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 31, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
This earns recs, too
because it is true an hilarious
The rich get richer
Delonte West has uses. If you can get him to Ron-Ron’s psychiatrist, then this might be a fantastic signing.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 31, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
Kobe better keep tabs on his mom before she gets Delonte'd
The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !
by DetBalla on Jul 31, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Delonte West is an unremarkable NBA player.
but to hold the distinction of fucking LeMom James and then digging out Kobrenda Byrant- now that is an accomplishment.
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT
The Lakers are kind of stacked.
I think this roster is much better than the last two, both of which won championships. And Barnes is going to be FANTASTIC for this team. Just realized there are a couple rough-n-tumble motherfuckers on this squad between Kobe, Barnes, and Ron Ron— all on the wing (reaction to Heat maybe?). You definitely can’t call the Lakers soft anymore. Ratliffe was a sneaky good pickup too at $700k for 10 min/game.
Fish/Blake/West
Kobe/West/Barnes
Ron/Barnes/Odom
Pao/Odom
Bynum/Caracter/Ratliffe
There’s also a chance they bring back Shannon Brown, which is almost overkill at this point. As long as Bynum stays healthy enough to play in the playoffs, I’m pretty sure you can pencil in the Lake Show for the threepeat.
agreed
That’s a scary frontcourt— Ron/Barnes/Pau/Odom/Bynum is crazy. If Bynum is healthy they can play at any pace and overpower and out-length/size ever other team.
Unless you get your hands on what George Blaha was drinking
It’s hard to see anybody really contending with them.
Golden Grain?
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT
Yup
Their weakness was that the only good player they had coming off the bench was Odom, now they got themselves a pretty nice, scrappy back up unit. Barnes may be a douche and West may be insane, but they are both hard workers. Now they have a decent back up PG and 2 strong bodies that at the very least can put on 12 hard fouls. Considering, like you said, that all that is being added to a team that already has won 2 championships, they are pretty much stacked.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Don't forget Caracter
If the young bruiser can make the transition to the pro’s then they a nice big man rotation, plus the rattler if Bynum gets injured.
Caracter looked like a man playing against boys in summer league. That’ll be scary if he actually turns out to be good.
by garrettelliott on Jul 31, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
When I said two strong bodies that at the very least can be 12 hard fouls I meant Caracter and Ratliff. He looked good in summer league, but its hard to know how he’ll transition to the NBA. So, at the very least he can come in and hit some people.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
decent backup?
I would argue Blake is a far better player than Fisher right now. Fish is only the starter because Kobe says so, not because of his own play
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Jul 31, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno… he’s probably still capable of hitting big shots when it counts. Even if he only plays spot minutes, he could end up being a very important part of their team if he wins some games at the buzzer for them.
by garrettelliott on Aug 1, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
he's a Robert Horry at this point
Put him on the floor late in games for clutch shots, but don’t expect anything else out of him.
I would definitely start Blake over Fisher; the lakers had a lot of problems guarding fast point guards and had a ton of defensive problems that weren’t really ironed out even into the playoffs (ironically they handled Deron quite well though).
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 1, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree with all of you
Fisher won them at least one very key game in the Finals (or maybe it was the WCF) with an incredibly impressive 4th quarter. He’s old, he’s slowing down, and he’s probably not as good as Blake, but the guy has more heart than any other two Lakers combined not named Kobe. I can almost guarantee that he’s the inspirational leader of that team even if all other leadership runs through Kobe.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Not to mention he has clout with the refs. He’s known as a defensive guy so he’ll always get the benefit of the doubt on some charges that he takes.
by garrettelliott on Aug 1, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
he won them a few games
Because it was just as much his fault when they lost because of just how bad he shot/defended. In other words, had he performed just average overall, they still would have won the title
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 1, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd argue that that is more than Steve Blake or Delonte West has ever done for their previous teams
Of course neither has really been in the position to succeed at that level but that alone should give Fisher a few extra points…seeing as he’s been the starting point guard for how many championship teams now?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
he was the starting short guard on stacked teams
At one time Fisher was a great shooter, but right now he’s just horrible inefficient. He’s never been a good point guard; the only reason why he starts is because of the triangle offense and how it doesn’t need a true ball handler. Hell Terrico could start under that offense and would probably thrive.
Even more important Fisher used to be a great defender and now he flat out can’t keep up with younger players. While he can draw the occasional charge, just look at the numbers – he’s on a huge decline (especially offensively).
The Lakers have contended for the past 3 years. The first two he had an o-rating of ~116, which is very good for “non-star” players. However this year had an o-rating of 105, which is very mediocre, if not subpar for a championship squad.
Surprisingly his d-rating stayed in line with his career numbers, even though it was obvious he was getting torched by younger players. However I credit that more to the health of Andrew Bynum, and that he was able to dominate in the first half until Pau started rolling, and that Pau really improved on defense + rebounding (had a d-rating of 102).
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 2, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Fisher's stats are about as important as Kobe's FG%.
I.E. not at all. Winning > every stupid metric any stat-dork wanks off to. His efficiency? Moot. None of this matters. What matters is that he’s been there, done that, and flat out performed at the highest level afforded in the game of basketball, and done it over and over no less. He’s worth every penny the Lakers pay him if only for an appeased Kobe, much less the Horry-like streak of playoff heroics he’s been on the last decade or so.
He’s sneaky/greasy as hell, gets superstar calls at the end of important games (a bi-product of the veteran sneaky/greasiness), gives HARD fouls freely in an age when nobody does this (and along with Ron, Kobe, and Barnes, is now a part of the dirtiest/most physical perimeter in basketball), isn’t afraid of taking and making every clutch shot asked of him, and is a stand-up guy on top of it all.
How anyone can slag on Fisher at this point is beyond me. There are winners and there stat guys. Fisher’s a winner. On a veteran team like the Lakeshow I’d take that over 90% of the young PGs in the league.
by The Joel on Aug 2, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It must be hard to be a winning point guard, playing with Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, and Ron Artest, while coached by Phil Jackson. Thank goodness Derek Fisher was there.
Singlehandedly one Game 3. Hit the game-tying 3pointer late in Game 7. Game-tying 3pointer in Game 4 last year (and subsequent game-winning 3pointer in OT). Don’t forget .4 in ‘04. He’s the sole reason they made it the ‘04 Finals and was a huge factor in them winning in ’09 and ’10. For what that team needs, he’s absolutely perfect.
I think I’m buying what Birdman’s selling. He seems to be saying that what the Lakers need in a PG is a guy who doesn’t have to do much but make open jumpshots.
Derek Fisher is an entirely unremarkable player. To his credit, he’s stepped up and hit some really, really big buckets. No one can take that from him. But it’s pretty hard to argue that on his own he’s anything great.
Yeah, he is/was good for what they need — a guy with almost no responsibility other than to get to your appropriate position on the floor and wait for the ball to get passed to you — and he’s handled that role like a pro. But I tend to think Blake is overall a better player. Maybe Blake would be a better fit with the 2nd unit, since he’s more capable of getting to the basket and playing with the ball. We’ll see.
Count me in the stat geek category on this one.
Fisher was pretty worthless for long stretches of the playoffs. He stepped up and hit some big shots, but I don’t see how that negates his earlier, crappy play. If he was better earlier, maybe they wouldn’t have needed him to hit game tying or game winning shots.
exactly my point
Had he just been average the entire playoffs, instead of awful some games and on fairly good on others, Kobe wouldn’t need to go bezerk and Fisher wouldn’t “win the game” with a final jumper or two.
LA needs a guy that’s efficient and can run the offense on his own at times when the triangle gets stagnant. That was a big problem last year because Ron just could not hit any shots, allowing the defense to either double up on Kobe or clog the paint. Blake can be that guy, and do it to a much better degree than Fisher.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 2, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
how does it reflect poorly on fish
if he does his job like they ask him to? he just has to shoot spot up shots from the corner. thats what they want him to do and thats what he does. his poor d is somewhat mitigated due to the fact that the lakers have 3 quality 7 footers in the paint.
They probably want him to do better than the following: TS% of 49.9 (ninth of thirteen on LAL), PER of 9.3 (only Josh Powell and Adam Morrison were worse), Offensive Rating of 105 (ninth), Defensive Rating of 106 (just beating out Farmar and Morrison), and ninth on the team in Win Shares/48. Those are all awful numbers. Fisher did do better in the small sample size of the playoffs.
they still won the title despite his sub par performance.
they arent really bringing him back now to be a meaningful contributor. they are bringing him back because kobe wants him back and thats about it.
maybe the stats dont reflect it but fisher is a pretty smart player and more importantly has been in big games and can keep cool during such games. it sure looked like he helped the lakers out during those championship runs, the last one included.
I'm not opposed to LA retaining Fish
I think it’s likely that his minutes go down in the regular season in favor of Blake, even if he’s the token starter, and I think he’ll still play a role, especially come Playoff time. But Fish’s career is nearing its end. There’s nothing wrong with LA bringing in another proven PG AND retaining Fish — especially because Fish is such a pro and would handle any role to which he’s assigned like a pro should.
Concur
DFish knows something AI or Starbury never will figure out. How to get a ring.
by V. on Aug 2, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The mamba's muse? (no homo)
I read some where that Fisher is the only person on the team that Kobe will listen to, and, I might infer, really trusts. Maybe they just keep him around to provide mental support for the Mamba. Encourage him to work with the team, keep him from jacking up 46 shots in one game, stuff like that.
If that's true
And even if that’s the only reason for retaining Fish, then it’s advantageous for LA to do so.
On a veteran team like the Lakeshow I’d take that over 90% of the young PGs in the league.
There are about 45 point guards in the league under 25. They include Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, and Derrick Rose, Ty Lawson, and Darren Collison. Which three would you take Derek Fisher over?
Uhhhhhh...all of them?
I think the question that everyone should ask themselves is this:
Who would you rather have as your PG? Stuckey or Fisher?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I was thinking about that question. It probably depends on what you want out of your point guard. Fisher is a better outside shooter, of course. And last season his D-rating was better. Stuckey is a better rebounder and passer. He also has a much higher usage rate. So, Fisher probably is best in the triangle offense, where Stuckey would not be good at all. But if I wanted a guard to come off the bench and score, Stuckey would be the guy.
good observation.
between crooked refs, phantom fouls and being Stern’s twin teams seperated at birth. the NBA will provide all of the WWE action that one can handle. can’t wait for a Heat and Laker finals. Provided there are no upsets.
Formerly known as SCNTFC!
I can't wait for the Pistons to emerge as the NWO...
Gonna be fuckin’ sweet seeing CV31 as Diesel (can’t remember his NWO name) and Jonas Jerebko as Razor Ramon. I think Rip should play Sting though.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
"Last Call" Hall?
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/wrestling/blog/2010/05/scott_hall_arrested.html
Dude just cannot get his shit together. I feel for him.
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT
I blame Craig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPdFrW076R0
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 2, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, He's 51. Kind Of Late For That
But you’re right, makes it no less pathetic.
by V. on Aug 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't Be Too Sure About That
It doesn’t have to be Miami in the Finals. Especially if Stern wants to stick it to LBJ, Bosh and DWade.
by V. on Aug 2, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He broke out and was quite good when healthy
but yeah, he sure has been injured a lot. Imagine if that team had no Gasol.
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT
blake is a better defender than fisher at this point, but he’s not so much of an upgrade as to really solve the problems they have with quick point guards. delonte and shannon brown (if they keep him) are probably both better on-ball defenders than blake. barnes might even be preferable to guard points in some sort of big lineup with kobe and ron ron.
it will be interesting to see how their rotation shakes out with all these new guys. they still don’t really have any big depth—josh powell signed elsewhere and dj mbenga might still be there but isnt any good—but they have so many guys they can probably make a move later. I agree with the threepeat assumptions above.
Perhaps but Blake is the best offensively out of the group also
He’s got the best TS% out the point guards, far higher than Fisher’s, and while West’s career is slightly higher, I wouldn’t trust him as a ball handler. And yes, even the triangle offense requires at least 1 good ball handler beyond Kobe
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 1, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
to clarify
I don’t count caracter (yet) or ratliff (anymore) as playoff rotation bigs. could be wrong though.
they're insurance policies
especially the rattler. But they’re looking to be a nice policy regardless. My guess is Caracter will get some burn sporadically throughout the season while Ratliff will see his minutes pick up a little bit during the last 1/3 if only to get him closer to game shape so that both are as best prepared for the playoff run as possible.
But when they get to the finals against the heat, they’ll match up with:
Fisher/Blake on Chalmers
Kobe on Wade
Artest on Lebron
Gasol on Bosh
Bynum/Odom on Ilgauskas/whomever depending on the Heat lineup
That could be an epic finals and I like the Lakers odds of handling the Heat pretty easily. Its scary to think I could be rooting for the Lakers for the next couple years just in hopes of them squashing the superfriends chances of multiple championships while in Miami
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
It's not that scary.
I’ve been rooting for the Lakeshow pretty solid for the last 5 years after the Pistons. They’re my defacto #2, and it all happened the season AFTER we waxed them. I don’t know why, but I was in love with that ragtag bunch. I think I just loved watching Kobe try to do it all himself. It was great theater more than anything— they were terrible. Any time Smush Parker is starting at PG for your professional basketball team, you’re not going to do well. Having watched them (crookedly) work their way back up to basketball royalty, I don’t feel the least bit terrible rooting for them the next couple years. Anything to see the Heat fail. Anything.
Ya know what that starting job go Smush Parker?
A role in EA’s NBA Homecourt Streetball game.
Nothing like doing a homecourt challenge against Smush Parker, Eddy Curry, and Andrea Bargnani
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I too have grown to grudgingly root for the Lakers
We’ve seen the evolution of Kobe, from being a ball hog that was partly responsible for Shaq leaving, to being a sexual deviant in denial. We’ve watched Kobe villified for trying to do it all himself, Ostrasized for not taking shots and spending an entire game passing to teammates. We’ve watched Kobe take his lumps like every superstar should. and he emerged on the other side of it with 2 rings and counting.
How many of us would be able to look at his legacy admirably had his demands been met when he made them?
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by soufpaw on Aug 2, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Kobe's the best in the NBA, period
but my admiration for Kobe Bryant stops concerning anything outside of basketball.
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by brgulker on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT
Concur & Rec'd
He gets a pass for what happened in Aspen. It only became rape after the girl and her family discovered it was a profit center for her. Since then I hope Laker HoFer James Worthy took Kobe under his wing and taught him the, ahem, advantages of using escort services (especially the ones which employ big name porn stars, who will probably give Kobe a better workout than Gary Vitti could ever hope to)..and unlike Big Game James, pay cash and not use the credit card (so much about that theory about taking Visa everywhere with you lol).
Lakers fans are just the worst, the worst bunch of shallow frontrunners you’ll ever see. But they do know a thing or two about winning, they have a great organization (know Jerry and Frank a little personally), and say what you want about Kobe, dude knows how to win. I don’t think that much of Kupchak as a GM, remember he was more or less gifted Pau Gasol, but he has a good organization around him, especially that old dude from WVa who used to wear 44 for them a few years ago.
by V. on Aug 2, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Sooooo, it’s not rape if you take more than a day to report it? How long exactly should someone have to report being sexually assaulted? Not saying he raped her; ain’t saying he didn’t either.
Oh snap you went there!
I’m suspicious that Kobe raped her, but that’s mostly personal opinion. I have no idea how to answer your question.
It was more of a rhetorical question. I’m sure it makes it easier for everyone to assume she’s just a scheming whore, but the truth is, we’ll never know. I could see it either way, but I kind of take exception to the idea that it’s clear that she just did it for the money. Anyways, he cheated on his wife so I think he’s a douchebag.
I don't feel bad at all liking the Lakers
The Lakers aren’t even in my top five teams to root for, but I’ll root for them if I have to. I just like some of the supporting pieces too much. Pau Gasol is one of my favorite big men. I’m a sucker for multifaceted players (Joe D’s ruined me) so I like Odom a lot. Let’s face it: if you don’t love a guy who thanked his psychiatrist and asked where his Wheaties were after winning the Larry O’Brien trophy, then you might not be human. And Kobe is admittedly a huge dick, but he does what he does and I respect the guy.
If the Lakers are one of eight teams to make it to the post season in the West, then they’re either my least favorite of those eight teams or near the bottom. But I don’t hate them by any means. And I’ll sure as hell root for them over the Celtics or the Heat.
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 3, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
However, there is nothing that will make me like their fans, Derek Fisher, Vujabitch, or Andrew Bynum.
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 3, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, But I Love James Worthy
…another leather jacket and ciggies moment (actually I don’t smoke) which happened most likely before you were born (1990).
He got caught paying for hookers with his credit card, his name came up when the agency in Houston he used got busted . At Rockets and Mavs games, fans would taunt him by throwing naked Barbie dolls at him. It was pretty funny to watch on TV and watch the commentators try to explain it. Poor Chickie baby and Stu Lantz lol.
by V. on Aug 3, 2010 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Andrew Bynum? More like Andrew Vaginum!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I hate the Lakers.
Just had to get that off my chest. No amount of douche-baggery from other superstars will ever make me forget how big a douche Kobe Bryant is.
How quickly we forget. Does anyone remember LA after Shaq left? Kobe constantly yelling at and publicly criticizing teammates. Kobe driving Phil Jackson away from the organization. The Lakers sucking. Kobe being exposed as not being a strong enough player to carry a team by himself. Kobe publicly disgracing his wife.
(The Kobe lovefest in the comments above is why I think that in three years everyone will have forgotten about “The Decision” and will be back on LBJ’s jack, FWIW).
And they’re the f’ing Lakers.
Apart from Gasol, Phil Jackson, and Fish, as a franchise they basically embody everything I hate about the NBA. The only thing sweeter than wining the chip on ’04 from my perspective is that we demolished the Lakers in order to get it.
by brgulker on Aug 3, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t even like Phil Jackson. His mind games in the media are tiresome. He went after Steve Nash and Kevin Durant this past postseason. Phil, if you want to mess with someone, mess with someone that deserves it, not two of the most humble stars in the NBA.
I do like Gasol, but that is about it for Lakers. Odom’s ok.
Yeah I can very easily separate respect for the game and hatred for the player/coach
I respect the Spurs from 2005 considerably, but I will always hate them with a passion. Same can be said for the Lakers. I respect and actually appreciate how good they are, but I still hate their fucking showtime guts.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Lakers to me are like a Donkey show
you have no respect for the preformers, but you gota admire the work ethic.
by Danny D on Aug 3, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If You Ever See The Usual Woman At A Donkey Show
Chances are you’d have sympathy for the donkey.
by V. on Aug 3, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
V, I’m glad you’re here. We need someone to combine experience, humour, and creepiness in just your ratio.
by Birdman84 on Aug 3, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
V. is to Chef as Detroit Bad Boys is to Kyle, Stan, Kenny, and Cartman.
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 3, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does that mean he's a member of N.A.M.B.L.A.?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
More Like The A.S.P.C.A.
I thought that much was obvious from the post.
I just live life, sorry if you have a problem with that.
I can tone it down if you like…which reminds me, at least South Park is an upgrade from Beavis and Butthead. That being said you wouldn’t catch me dead watching either. My generation’s cartoon characters were much cooler…Flintstones, Jetsons, Johnny Quest, and last but not least, hell, they named a nightclub in Pontiac after him! Clutch Cargo.
Compare that with two retarded teenagers who sounded like they were having a seizure when laughing. This passed for funny in the ’90s. No wonder that generation was completely FUBARed.
by V. on Aug 5, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I acutally don't care one bit...
I was just referencing the episode that they put together after Chef left the show due to the Tom Cruise/Scientology shit where they spliced him into an episode about NAMBLA…had nothing to do with you or your style on these boards.
And yeah, Johnny Quest was the shit. Haji was my man…sim sim sala bim! Or whatever the hell his little mind fuck phrase was.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I Don't Watch South Park
But I remember it vaguely..Issac Hayes quitting the show over the jab at Cruise and Scientology, right?
I guess they weren’t talkin’ about Shaft lol.
We’re cool, carry on.
by V. on Aug 5, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
All this Laker’s love is making me nauseous. I can hate both Kobe and LeBron (and their teams) for different reasons, thank you very much.
I would much prefer to route for a team like the Thunder or even the Bucks than the blasted LA Lakers.
by Big Z in Orlando on Aug 3, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone here is saying they are a "real" fan of the Lakers
But after watching Kobe be the king of douchery and going through what he’s been through. You have to respect it. even if grudgingly. Dude has a killer instinct. He is an Ass and makes no apologies about it. Can anyone imagine Kobe dancing on the sidelines with team mates? Name any # of things that you dont like about Lebron and try to picture Kobe doing it. pit the Lakers up against any of the penciled in teams other than Orlando. I would have to tip my hat to the Lakers. Yeah they were handed Gasol but everything else They took their lumps to get where they are. They didn’t go on massive spending sprees Or do secret handshakes to build a team with depth. Kobe has shown leadership by accepting the likes of Artest, and being more diplomatic in his criticism of team mates like Bynum.
Formerly known as SCNTFC!
as long as lebron is in the east ill hate him way more than the lakers.
i dont hate the lakers because they havent beat us in a meaningful game in some time. Our championship was won against them quite handily. they completely folded in that series. im pretty ambivalent about the lakers but any of the teams competitive teams from the east i hate.
If the thunder are playing the lakers i’ll root for them, as long as i think the thunder could win over teams like the Celtics or the Cavs. When i watch games in the west its not so much that i want any of them to win, its that i want whoever is coming out of the east (now that its not the pistons) to lose. I will root for the team that has the best chance of stonewalling the brons, KG’s and pierce’s.
i like watching kobe play. i find his game very entertaining to watch because its based on smarts and cunning and not just freakish athleticism like earlier in his career. as for him being a jerk, im fine with it. Im pretty sure that 99% of the players in pro sports are assholes. if you ever hear stories from beat reporters covering the NBA they will talk at length about how the hotels are full of ladies every night an NBA team comes to town. Kobe cheated on his wife, big deal, if stories are to be believed most of them cheat on their wives. It comes with the territory.
and gulks: I dont understand how you can hate the lakers but are super excited for the super friends team. that team is(will be) douche warp factor 9.
Dancing on the sidelines with teammates does not equal cheating on one’s wife (and possibly raping a woman in the process). No contest for me personally. Others are free to disagree.
Yeah they were handed Gasol but everything else They took their lumps to get where they are.They didn’t go on massive spending sprees Or do secret handshakes to build a team with depth.
Huh? In what way? Best I can tell, they’ve done exactly that. This is debatable, but the case can be made that Gasol is every bit as important to LA as Kobe is, and Gasol was a gift — one of the most lopsided trades in my lifetime. And if LA’s payroll isn’t a spending spree, I’m not sure what is.
Kobe has shown leadership by accepting the likes of Artest, and being more diplomatic in his criticism of team mates like Bynum.
I’ll give you that he’s nicer in the media toward his teammates than he used to be. But he’s still a massive douche on the court toward his teammates. Just watch his expressions when his teammates take bad shots or commit TOs. It’s every bit as bad as what other criticize LBJ for doing in the EC Playoffs this past season.
bron's only 25, theres still plenty of time for him to get his very own south beach "rape" scandal.
ill watch that hour long special. the cheating on his wife will happen shortly, if it hasnt already.
As You May Have Noticed
I make certain assumptions about the typical NBA Baller (and other pro athlete for that matter) lifestyle. Do forgive my cynicism.
@brgulker: maybe it’s because he has better teammates now, than, say 4 years ago. As for Artest, he’s welcome to play on my team anytime. Note how well Jackson has handled him.
by V. on Aug 3, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Kobe's "he cheated on his ways" always interest me.
I won’t get into the rape thing because I don’t know. He wasn’t found guilty of a crime and I wasn’t there.
But he did admit to cheating, and its always interesting how stars cheating doesn’t relate to the public opinion of men cheating. I have heard too much and too many times “it’s a guy thing”, it’s what men do", “it’s nature, they can’t help themselves” and all that sort of crap to be surprised when I see a bunch of men holding that action in the place is being held here in DBB.
And I’m not accusing anyone of being a hypocrite or anything, but based on my limited existence in the real world, the perception of men cheating held by a section of DBB differs for the one that predominates in the real world.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
I’m not sure which opinion on cheating you have in view, but for the record, I think cheating is the worst for of betrayal. Just for the record.
I caught that.
The comment wasn’t about anybody here, it was an observation of society. Mostly because I have heard people criticize Kobe in one argument for being a cheater and then brush off cheating in other conversations.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
im of the school of thought that most athlete's wives know what they are in for when they wed these guys.
your man is in great physical shape, is famous, has millions, on the road in strange cities for long stretches of time. things are going to happen. I dont feel bad for kobe or tigers wives, they got great lives and are financially set. they can do whatever they want. they dont even really have to take care of their own children. its a trade off. I wont say “its guys being guys” because i think its more along the lines of “wealthy powerful people being wealthy powerful people”.
I don't think Gilbert Arenas' wife knew what she was in for when she slept with Shaq...
Black Mamba you say? More like an overfed Anaconda…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I Have The Scouting Report On "Little Shaq"
..from his Lakers playing days. Hint: think sewing utensil.
As for how this was communicated to me…well, I’ll just quit while I’m behind with the donkey show reference.
by V. on Aug 5, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
You Forgot, "Work Nights"
Most ballers use hookers, not groupies (the ones that are inclined to play). The ballers know the hookers won’t talk. The groupies, you’re really rolling the dice on that one-especially since most of them think they’re Cinderella.
I agree with you in sentiment, it’ s more along the lines of “because they can”.
Kobe may be a douche, but compare him to say West or Karl Malone, who was hitting on Mrs. Bryant a little too hard for Kobe’s own comfort. I give him a pass because he got married very young, should have known better, and people make mistakes, even those making $20+M/yr.
by V. on Aug 5, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
the lakers were constructed piece by piece, there was no free agent summit where everyone said hey lets join the lakers. and while Gasol may be as important as Kobe. And Im sure he is happy to be there “in L.A.” he had very little to do with landing there. the Gasol move is akin to us landing Sheed when it happened. it was lopsided but we already had a very good foundation. As did they. I view the NBA through Piston colored glasses. all of the championships that I’ve appreciated have been built not bought. Miami is a team that has found a very creative way to contending for rings. Not necessarily wrong. but I don’t like it. especially when it’s composed of a “chosen 1” who bows out to follow someone elses lead.
Formerly known as SCNTFC!
Laker fan here
So I always paid close attention to the pistons. They’re technically my favorite eastern conference team due to past relationships. Plus I have some family in West Bloomfield, but I lived in southern California all my life, and when I was 5 I fell in love with Magic Johnson. I’ve been a Laker fan ever since.
I don’t want to be that fan that says “we love the hate,” but it holds some truth. Because if your team is hated, most of the time it’s because they’re winning. I know Kobe is arrogant, but that’s part of his “screw you, I’m winning” mentality.
Everyone is knocking LeBron for taking the easy way out and joining Wade and Bosh in better climate conditions, and it’s because he doesn’t have the “fuck you, I’m beating you” attitude.
Basically, people are going to hate my favorite team, but reading most of your posts, it seems like you guys at least respect them.
If it makes you feel any better, I still have some mental scars from 2004.
Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.
by pharoah on Aug 3, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I'll give you a rec for that pharaoh...even if your goatee is coated in gold.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
glad you recognize that
Being a hater goes against the grain of sportsmanship. As Piston fans, we’ve given our lumps, but we take them also. We are not blinded by our homerism. Sportsmanship and basketball should go hand in hand. We respect the talent and skills of your team but hate the romper room colors of the uniforms.
Formerly known as SCNTFC!
We are not blinded by our homerism
Hey, speak for yourself. Pistons all the way!!!!
There's no justice like angry mob justice!
Blahomerism
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
Reminds me of my favorite song
Blahemian Rhapsody…
Blahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, just killed a man…
put a gun against his head, pulled the trigger now he’s dead.
Blahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa oooooooOOOOOOOOooooooo
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 4, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see a little silhouetta of a blaha
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
If You Ever Met Magic, You'd Like Him Less
An absolutely miserable person off camera.
by V. on Aug 3, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
this is where the Line is drawn.
we have grown men in here mentioning that cheating on one’s wife is a reason not to like a player. Which brings us to the “Im not a role model” can of worms. We all have heard the horror stories about Zeke. But I will always love what he’s done as a player and for this franchise. If we spoke of all the douchery of a player’s off the court life, then there would be a reason to dislike everyone. No ones perfect. As a mature fan of the NBA I’ve grown to just focus on how it brings me entertainment. and that involves on the court actions. and Kobes on court actions in all facets of the game have given me reason to respect him more than Lebron. He’s alway’s wanted his own team. and once he got it, He’s never made any indication of wanting aqnything else, other than help.
Formerly known as SCNTFC!
Ahem...
No ones perfect
Jonas Jerebko says otherwise.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 3, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m down with Kobe’s douchbaggery on the court, but not cheating on his wife. I can separate Kobe the player from Kobe the person, though.
by garrettelliott on Aug 3, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I try to seperate the player and the human as much as possible
Bruce Wayne might be an absolute dick, but Batman’s a pretty cool guy (Eh isn’t kill anybody and doesn’t afraid of anything). Chauncey Billups, for example, might be an absolute asshole, but I love watching him play. On the other hand, Paul Pierce could be a man of great wisdom, but that doesn’t help the fact that he’s an over-dramatic bitch on the court.
There are, of course, cases where they become hard to separate. I can’t think of anybody right off hand specifically, but for example, I can’t watch Jason Kidd and help but think, “Man, didn’t he beat his wife?” At that point, it becomes a Roman Polanski situation, where I have to separate the fact that while Jason Kidd may be a great basketball player, it’s entirely possible he’s a horrible human.
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 3, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
we have grown men in here mentioning that cheating on one’s wife is a reason not to like a player.
While I hear the larger point you’re making, for the sake of conversation, turn the argument around so that it’s pointed differently. We have grown men in here who don’t like the Miami Heat because LBJ orchestrated a really bad reality TV show.
Pride is a character flaw, as is infidelity. I don’t like Kobe in part because he was unfaithful, and it was inevitably public. I also don’t like him because he comes across as an arrogant ass, or at least did for the majority of his career.
What I don’t get is why people make the argument you just made for Kobe and then in the same breath fail to make it for LeBron.
i dont like lebron because he scored 25 straight points on the pistons and was a rival in the eastern conference for the last few years, and now will be for years to come. also because of his bull dozing/ travel on every drive to the lane while committing a charge no skill game that he plays. The last two years of free agency speculation have been insufferable as well.
if kobe was on the cavs i would prolly hate him. he’s not, he’s on a team that we beat soundly in the finals. its the same reason i dont really hate the magic. they never beat us when we were on top.
what it comes down to is that both of these guys are assholes. if the cheating thing/calling out your team mates/requesting a trade because things arent going your way is a deal breaker for you then you dont like Kobe. If the playing media mind games with everyone for two years/calling yourself the King and Chosen 1 while never winning anything and playing a garbage game/going on TV and punking your hometown is a deal breaker for you then you hate lebron. their both dicks, at least i can stand watching kobe play though. watching lebron just makes me say “wow that guys so athletic he doesnt have to know how to really play basketball”
He also does a lot of things on the court which are questionable
I tend to follow the NBA and it’s players for what happens on the court. The team that I love the most has never been constructed around superstars. While the exact opposite can be said about the NBA. So thats why I take issue when I see a superstar behaving in ways that totally goes against the grain of the expectations that this sport places on superstars. Magic cheated on his wife. doesn’t harm his on court legacy, Wilt the stilt ? Tiger Woods, Earl the Pearl? One could argue that it is easier to find a scoundrel away from sports than it is to find a worthy example of a role model. whatever the case, Only what happens on the court is my business. because that is truly the only thing that an athelete freely shares with the general public.
And a big Shout Out to A.C. Green, he was a role model in the truest sense…
Formerly known as SCNTFC!
by soufpaw on Aug 3, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Very topical to reference A.C. Green, given where the thread has headed.
Too classy to be a Laker, really.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
My most vivid memory of AC Green was seeing him have his teeth knocked out on an NBA on NBC game while he played for Phoenix. JR Reid smashed him with an intentional elbow. I hated JR Reid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcrYe5EedJg
Disgusting play from Reid.
by garrettelliott on Aug 4, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Very disgusting. Agreed on Reid.
Also cannot stand Kermit Washington.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
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