The Worst Newcomers, In the Minds of the Worst Sportswriters
by Kevin Sawyer on Aug 14, 2010 7:37 PM EDT
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ESPN asked a round(andverylarge)table of writers to weigh in on the standard pre-season stuff. Rookie of the Year, MVP, etc... They also opted to ask for predictions as to the best and worst new arrivals (free agent signings, trades, draft picks etc... Well, not etc... I guess, but this parenthetical aside has gone on long enough).
Best newcomer was LeBron James. No surprise there, though eight people apparently think Carlos Boozer and Amare Stoudemire are going to make a bigger impact with their respective ball clubs than LeBron James, and one smartypants decided to vote for T-Mac.
On the category of "Worst Newcomer", the group was evenly split between the unfathomable and the downright ignorant. Let's go down the list.
1. Amare Stoudemire
He was also tied for the second best newcomer, so I guess the sportswriters agree that Amare Stoudemire is, in fact, a newcomer. Great.
2. Carlos Boozer
That didn't take long. On what basis would you predict that Carlos Boozer is going to be the worst new addition to a team? How does he do anything but add to the Bulls win total?
3. Shaquille O'Neal
This makes more sense. He's not the worst, but there is a good chance he messes with what the Celtics have going and takes minutes from Jermaine O'Neal. This is a sensible pick.
Only because he's at least reasonably likely to wind up dead at the bottom of Lake Minnetonka holding a bong and a My Little Pony playset (still in the box).
5T. Chris Bosh
I kid you not. I wonder if some of the voters know that Miami wasn't the only team that brought in free agents? What is the logic here? Team adds best power forward in the Eastern Conference. Worst move of the year!
5T. Joe Johnson
Wait! He didn't change... Oh, they're doing... Like a thing... I get it now. I'm laughing. Aren't you laughing? You're not? Well, apparently you don't get humor jokes. You'd hate my friend Roy. He's always pulling stuff.
5T. Hedo Turkoglu
Seriously, he tied with Chris Bosh. They play the same position. They are pretty much paid the same. Chris Bosh is a half-decade younger. Tied.
8T. David Lee
I don't like this trade for the Warriors, so I guess I can give this one a pass, in a sort of "it doesn't make sense, but sportswriters don't think in terms of sense" sort of way, sort of.
8T. Corey Maggette
What do people have against Maggette? All he does is put up 20 ppg without taking a lot of shots. Did he stab someone? I forget. Sportswriters hate the hell out of him, though, I know that.
8T. Travis Outlaw
That's random. Arguably the most average player in the NBA makes a list of worst newcomers for some reason. Even his contract is pretty much average. Keep in mind the Nets are also bringing in Johan Petro (who got one vote... Hollinger's?).
8T. Evan Turner
Ouch. I guess this reflects everyone's collective heebie-jeebies about the guy (I know I'm not going to be the one drafting him for my fantasy team), but how is he worse than Ekpe Udoh?
Other Receiving Votes
Ridiculous. The guy thumped his chest a few times during games as an 18 year old, so people think he'll be the worst addition to any team? The most unflattering comparison is to Zach Randolph, who was deservedly an all-star this year. That's his basement.
What is it with sportswriters and power forwards? Pau Gasol is "soft". Dirk Nowitzki is a "loser". Carlos Boozer is, apparently, the second worst free agent signing of the year. Chris Bosh is a "second fiddle". Zach Randolph is "trouble". Rashard Lewis is "overpaid". Tim Duncan is "a center".
Are there any good power forwards in this league? Maybe we should move to four on four.
He's an expiring contract, who is still actually decent. He'll be making $3 million more than Brendan Haywood, and he'll probably produce better results.
Apparently, some writers interpreted this question as "name a draft pick you can think of."
Sportswriters don't like Drew Gooden, for the reason that they think it does not matter whether you perform on the court, but rather that sportswriters like you. If sportswriters ran a franchise, it would look like the New Orleans Hornets, minus Chris Paul.
Keep in mind, they got ONE vote.
Okay. They did the thing like with Joe Johnson. Only this isn't interesting or funny, and could wind up being quite wrong.
Jermaine O'Neal
He's on here because he isn't as good as he was when he was 24. In the minds of some sportswriters, a player who is not as good as he once was has no value. Stupid.
I'll buy this one.
Is someone being ironic here?
The mind-numbingly obvious choice doesn't even crack the top ten and, in fact, gets only one vote. Not only is Duhon arguably the worst guard in the league, he is almost certain to get minutes because he is so belligerently overpaid. He costs the Magic between 2-4 wins, and they are paying for the luxury.
Looks like a protest vote from the Memphis writer. Fair enough. Sorry, dawg.
So, here's the thing. ESPN is a rather prominent sports organization. I've had an article or two linked from the website. I take that as a point of pride. If ESPN asked me who I thought the worst newcomer would be, I would at least take the time to give a thoughtful answer.
Apparently, some sportswriters don't think it is worth their time to contribute to ESPN. Or, at least, one does not. This is stupid on every level. In reality, the Clippers need low post scoring. On the business side, he's paid $5M this year, and averaged 24 and 14 out of college. Ironically, it fails because nobody harbors ill-will toward a potential star who suffered a career-threatening injury. Literally, it fails because Griffin is already on the team.
The remainder of the selections are mediocre players, only some of who are actually newcomers.
But, damn. This is terrible content. If I were an editor for ESPN, I would find the idiot who picked Blake Griffin, out him, and blackball him from ever contributing to, or being linked to, from the site.
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This is an absolute joke
Not that I expected anything less from ESPN.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
Concur
Sportwriters these days seem to be getting paid more with stirring up the pot and reporting speculation as fact rather than just going out there and covering stories. It’s a joke, you’re right.
I mean, what this piece did for you, I got the same reaction to the SBN post about the “toughest” GM jobs, it’s just mindless prattle if you ask me.
As for the ESPN article, I’m just going to ignore it, I have better things to do…which reminds me, anyone want to teach Mr. Dinosaur how to post kitty pics? Like, you know, the one where the kitty is half-meowing, half-yawning? TIA.
by V. on Aug 14, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
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ESPN BE NOT CARING ABOUT NBA BASKETBALL YO
I think that ESPN has something against the NBA. Probably harder to sell: people will watch a 40 minute college game with 40% shooting overall and enough bricked shots to build a house out of and say it was, “Gritty and tough and full of heart and defense!” while an NBA game between the Celtics and the Spurs is “Boring,” and 90s Knicks were the worst thing to happen to any sport, ever.
I mean, I prefer college football to NFL football, but I don’t go around talking about how its better, Jesus Christ. ESPN fucking sucks.
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 14, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions
what a group of idiots
I would love to have a bunch of those players. Namely Boozer, Lee, Cousins, Favors and Griffin. Give me any of those guys and I would straight up give you my beard (will be cut, ends glued together and in a sealed package).
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 14, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions
Seriously
Lee is going to kick some ass in Golden State. The worst thing about is that they gave up Anthony Randolph.
Don Nelson is a horrible coach (or an okay coach that doesn’t give a damn), but with the system he runs, its an amplified version of the same thing D’Antoni is doing. The only thing that hurts Lee in my opinion is that he’s going to be in the back court with Biedrins, who is going to take away some rebounding. But other than that, Golden State actually made a solid trade.
Oh, and can the sports media handle any player with grit and attitude? Demarcus Cousins has those qualities, but there isn’t much else to talk about with them, and God knows that the sports media LOVES the “talented but headcase” storyline. So give it to The Controversial One run with it.
This article is stupid.
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 14, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
they wanted to get rid of Randolph
Bad relationship from both sides is what I had been hearing. To get Lee on a fair contract in exchange is a huge plus for them, and probably a big reason why they sold the team well above market value.
ESPN articles have been getting worse over the years, but this is just so bad you would think illiterate people brainstormed the ideas
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 14, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the media only likes flashy perimeter players
What is it with sportswriters and power forwards? Pau Gasol is “soft”. Dirk Nowitzki is a “loser”. Carlos Boozer is, apparently, the second worst free agent signing of the year. Chris Bosh is a “second fiddle”. Zach Randolph is “trouble”. Rashard Lewis is “overpaid”. Tim Duncan is “a center”.
And the new crop of bigs
Demarcus – headcase
Udoh – mediocre
Monroe – boring
Favors – bust
Aldrich -bust
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
by Kriz on Aug 14, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
Sadly enough, 4 of those 5 may end up being premier players for their respective roles. I see Udoh being fairly mediocre on just about any team but NY or GS, but Favors and Aldrich should be premier defenders, Monroe will do his own unique thing on offense and well Cousins is just too controversial to guard even in a battle of wits.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 14, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I don't think there's a lot about any of those guys you can say bad
Demarcus is fucking nastiness on a stick. Udoh has interesting skills, and I personally think he’ll be a solid NBA player. Favors and Aldrich are both solid, rebounding, defensive bigs. And I love multi-faceted players (Dumars’s has screwed me up that way): seeing a guy like Greg Monroe that can pass and be a facilitator on offense is kind of like having a dog that make omelets: sure, it’s weird, but I’m going to be endlessly entertained by it.
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 14, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Monroe ends up being the next "boring" PF/C, then that makes him the second coming of Tim Duncan
And I am more than fucking okay with that. Especially if he has the cajones to stick with the Pistons for his entire career.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
The NBA totally buys into the Flashy-Perimeter hype as well
All the rule changes over the years of (widening the lane, defensive three seconds, hand checking on the perimether… etc.) have been geared towards getting more wings flying into the lane for dunks. In a lot of ways it is killing the game.
The other thing is that a lot of players who are big never learn what it means to play like a big man. Now there really aren’t dominant big men and very few solid big men.
As much as people buy into the Flashy-Perimeter hype, there hasn’t been a championship team with out a solid low-post game.
Lee playing at PF
And going from New York (8th highest pace) to a Golden State (highest pace) team with a lot more offensive talent, his points, rebounds, and assists should all go up. Well, unless Monta Ellis finds a way to screw it up.
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by Thom_not_Tom on Aug 14, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
haha moped
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
by Kriz on Aug 14, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just realized something
How is Dicky Rubio not #1 on this list, or even on it for that matter?
The guy refuses to play for his team, who passed up on Stephen Curry, Brandon Jennings, Darren Collison and Ty Lawson just out of the point guards to get him. Drafting Flynn was a total Kahn move that is really unjustifiable no matter how you look at it because not only is he a bad player, but he’s part of the reason why Rubio doesn’t want to play there. But still, Rubio isn’t even in the US and yet guys that will definitely contribute are on that list.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 14, 2010 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
The list is best newcomer
Not person most likely to draw applause if he were thrown out of the window of a castle in a movie.
by Kevin Sawyer on Aug 14, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
best?
You wrote yourself that it is the worst newcomer list
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 14, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
great act to partake in, especially when the castle happens to be at the very edge of a jagged shoreline
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 15, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions
As one of the "93 sportswriters, who apparently know little or nothing about basketball"...
… I figured I’d chime in. Remember, what’s asked:
“We’re not talking about the worst player per se but the one who will have the most negative impact or the most disappointing season, relative to expectations, price, etc. Or the player who will wear out his welcome first.”
I vote for Boozer, and here’s why:
Contract years: 17.5 points and 11.3 rebounds per game in 76.5 games per season
Other years: 17.1 points and 9.7 rebounds per game in 59.5 games per season
Also, his defensive rating in his two contract seasons are the two lowest of his career.
I haven’t seen anyone doubt Boozer is the missing piece for the Bulls to rise to contending. He’s paid a lot, too.
I don’t think he’ll be awful, but I don’t think he’ll meet expectations.
by PistonPowered on Aug 14, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Re: Boozer
Ha. If I had caught your name on the panel, I would have called for a proper defense. You need an avatar.
Boozer’s best seasons were 06-07 and 07-08.
People are picking him to put the Bulls in contention because they are vastly overrating Derrick Rose, and because the Bulls exceed their Pythagorean projection. They are casting him as a second fiddle to a superstar, when he’ll likely be the best player on a balanced, 45 win team.
He won’t have a negative impact or wear out his welcome.
I acknowledge that part of the problem with this piece is that it’s answering a nebulous question. The whole thing is trifling and silly, and probably didn’t motivate you to respond thoughtfully.
But Duhon and Hedo were on the board, dude. Seriously, five out of 93 thought they were the worst pickups?
by Kevin Sawyer on Aug 15, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't change the fact that some idiots voted for guys who didn't switch teams
I can respect the vote for Boozer considering the question asks for “most disappointing newcomer” rather than “worst newcomer.” But voting for guys like Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay, and especially Blake Griffin is just lazy and stupid.
by handsomerob1 on Aug 15, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I rec you sir.
Greatly appreciate you taking the time to respond on the board, and can see where you’re coming from with your selection.
That said, my vote would be for Artsiom Parakhouski.
He’s the worst newcomer because he hasn’t shown up yet. Pistons need to sign him ASAP.
In Art we trust.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 15, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Thanks for the response, Dan
Cool to see you chime in here. The contract year argument is interesting. I’m of the mind that he’ll be motivated to demonstrate that he’s worth his contract and that the Bulls have a chance at 55 wins. I guess we’ll see.
Hey Dan...
My point is…why write just for the sake of, “we need to put some content up there?” It’s annoying, and is Seinfeld-eqsue in its nature.
Write about real news, please, not fake news. Putting lists up for the sake of having nothing better to write about is amateurish and I can look at that on any social networking site.
Let me add this parting thought about Dumars…I can see why he more or less sat out FA. I think he got a steal in T-Mac, it’s a no lose proposition, but a sizable portion of the membership here (and we have a great membership on DBB) disagreed.
I have this feeling that I evaluate along the lines of Dumars…the first thing I would ask myself if I were in his shoes is…can you win with this guy? Keep in mind all Dumars has pretty much ever done throughout his career is win. The three rings speak for themselves.
I think of Boozer and “absolutely not” registers immediately. That why I always thought the trade for AI was for the expiring contract. Dumars already knew he wasn’t going to get any rings with him, but he knew the same about Chauncey based on his playoff performance the last two years. And I felt that way about the rest of the UFA class-at least the class that’s available. If anything, if anyone can teach LBJ and Bosh how to win, it’s DWade.
Pistons Trade Done! News at 11:00!
V. to little Caesars for one hot n ready and 2 tons of breadsticks is rumoured.
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I definitely was at the LC today, Maple/Lahser, but I passed on the breadsticks. Dinosaurs like me gotta cut back on the carbs. You just never know when Ghidra or Mothra get cranky and want to f with you and you gotta run 500-600 miles or so until they get bored.
by V. on Aug 16, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with your thought process of what Joe’s throught process must have been when he traded Chauncey.
Did it hurt in the pit of my stomach to see my second favorite Piston go? Yes. Not only because he pretty much kept us in the “elite” section of the NBA (which is pretty evident now), but because I also own an authentic Pistons Chauncey jersey. That thing was like $150.
But, if we kept Chauncey, I feel like we would only have been a really good team that would make it to the ECF every year with no real chance to win it all again. In my mind making it to the ECF every year and losing is the same as being a lottery team, ultimately you did not win a championship, therefore it was a wasted season. I think it was time to rebuild. The problem is that Joe is trying to rebuild while staying relevant, and that doesn’t work. He should have just totally blew it up and started from scratch.
Something had to be done, and Chauncey was the only valuable piece that anyone wanted. So unfortunately, Joe had to pull the trigger.
The move that baffles me is renewing Rip’s contract after that. I don’t like Rip’s game, I think it hurts our offense more than it helps, if he was moving Chauncey, he should have just let Rip expire if he couldn’t find another team that wanted him.
by Alex_Be on Aug 16, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maggette is a ball hog that doesnt play defense
And has a fat contract, thats why writers dont like him
" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius
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that's not entirely true
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/maggeco01.html
if you look the numbers, he had a fairly good assist rate for a number of years, and a very good offensive rating for a role player. I’ll give you the defense thing, but his contract is in line with his performance, especially when you considering his efficiency (TS%). He’s getting paid less than Gordon for better net production.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 15, 2010 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Great point
But how many of the sportswriters in this roundtable do you think actually looked at those stats? I’d say 5 MAX, but probably a nice, round zero.
by handsomerob1 on Aug 15, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
that's the great thing about zero
It’s so circular, you can form it with your hands
Being serious, I think Hollinger is the only guy that gives a rat’s ass about stats, and still he prefers to place more emphasis on his own metric (PER) than anything else
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 15, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya Know, I'm Not Seeing the Problem...
All this article is trying to do is to suss out who may actually end up hurting the teams more than helping the teams. Pretty much all of these guys are talented players, so it’s going to involve playing hunches to a certain degree, right?
Amare is a very good player. But let’s say his knees give out for good in sixteen months. The team will be financially hamstrung and awful. Could happen. Boozer does have a history of being Carlos-First. His agreeing to a contract with Cleveland and then reneging, followed by a couple of years of publicly being unhappy in Utah? And suddenly playing in a third more games than recently in a contract year is a little suspect. Turkoglu is obviously a bad contract, but will his presence actually hurt the Suns? I don’t see that, necessarily.
And let’s say that Greg Monroe ends up being 90% of Tim Duncan and Cousins really does have major—Chris Washburnesque, say—behavioral issues. I’m not predicting that; I think he’ll be great. But is it that crazy that one writer out of 93 might have a gut feeling about that and went with it. If, by some chance, Monroe is a 2014 all-star and Cousins is out of the league and the Kings, thus, remained mired in mediocrity because they added Chris Washburn, Jr. rather than Tim Duncan, Jr., wouldn’t that lone voter be spot on?
I’m not endorsing the choices, (and given my admittedly limited knowledge of the NBA, I’d be dumb to do so…). But I can’t see being outraged or disgusted by this.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Aug 15, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Nice post Mushroom man.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Funny thing is, everyone hear could do the job of these sportswriters by writing and voting by their random opinions and hunches. Like mine, Cousins will be very good, but will also be the most likely player since Dennis Rodman to put on a dress.
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If Cousins is even half the defensive player Rodman was
He’s going to be a star for the next decade
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 15, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
And regarding his other comment, I'd say ron artest will be in dress before the controversial one
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Ha!
I just feel that Artert doesn’t have the sensitive side that Cousins has. He just lacks that hurt little butterfly mentality. I think Cousins can make it happen within 5 years. One to get established and get some groupies. Two more to go wild with said groupies. And then two more wild years of heartbreak, baby denial, insecurity, Cousins dates his own cousin, why don’t they love me anymore! fun, with a finale of a drunkin’ Vegas marriage to a female elvis and Cousins as the bride. It’s just so obvious. Obviously!
Now, after saying that, I could certainly see Artest being caught having sex with a care bear after the police break down the door in search of his missing psychiatrist. Who they’ll find stabbed with a wooden table leg in the closet.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Aug 15, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN
This is the exact reason I don’t read anything from ESPN anymore. Their sportswriters are a joke.
by Detroitsportsfan3 on Aug 15, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions
Hellz Yeah!!
The Future is Here!! Get on the Band Wagon before the milk is spoiled!
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if i had to grade this article
i would give it a dick minus.
by dandresden on Aug 15, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Also,
I don’t really have a problem with including the high profile re-signings. True, the players are not “new”, but they do represent conscious decisions to affect the nature of the team, decisions that could have been avoided by not acting, (as opposed to going out and making something happen). And Joe Johnson at roughly LeBron’s price until he’s in his mid-30’s deserves to be right there at the top.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Aug 15, 2010 9:48 PM EDT reply actions
This is why Deadspin takes every opportunity to destroy ESPN
All they go for is hype and controversy and not the stats put up on the court. I mean how can you really vote for Amar’e Stoudamire with a straight face? If the Knicks didn’t sign Stoudamire, they would have NOBODY!
meh
If the Knicks didn’t sign Stoudamire, they would have NOBODY!
That was completely their own fault. They mortgaged a ton of their future to get cap space and yet as many predicted, no one wanted to go there because of just how bad the Knicks would be until 2012 when they finally can cash in their lottery picks. Eitherway it’s not like Amare had many other options, he wanted money, and Phoenix didn’t want to guarantee it to him. To him it was either stay at home, or chase after the big lights, and the stay at home option was revoked.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 16, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
The Knicks could have kept David Lee. All they had to do was give him something reasonable a summer ago.
I still think he’ll have more of an impact in GS than Amare will in NY.
I'd agree
I fail to see why the Lee trade was a bad deal for anybody other than the Knicks, but they still got Anthony Randolph out of it, so it wasn’t even that bad.
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 16, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
All Amare can offer is scoring. Lee is a better rebounder and sets up his teammates.
Besides Lee is a monster as well in terms of efficiency
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeda02.html
Many people claim that Lee’s scoring was only a product of a bad team, but his o-rating and TS% are off the charts for a so called “product of the system”
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 16, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The ‘system’ argument doesn’t work here, IMO (which you’re saying too I think) because Lee and Amare played in the same system last season, and Lee didn’t have Steve Nash setting him up.
Yeah but he had
DU
DU HON
DU HON NICHE!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
that's what I'm saying
I’m saying that Lee put up monster numbers regardless of the system, as shown by his o-rating before D’Antoni and the fact that he had no good point guard where as Amare had Nash
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 17, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
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