Jonas scores 35 points
by sozz on Aug 22, 2010 8:35 AM EDT
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PrintAs most of you know, Jonas has been playing for Sweden this summer. There already is a fan post for this, but it's not on top of the list anymore and I just want to let you know that Jonas had a great game last night against Azerbaijan. The game was played in Azerbaijan, and according to one swedish news paper Jonas got standing ovations when he was subed out with 1 minute left of the game...from the opponents home crowd!
In the four qualifying games in the European Championships, he has
22 points, 11 rebounds against Belarus
19 points, 14 rebounds against Romania
24 points, 14 rebounds against Albania
35 points, 10 rebounds against Azerbaijan
Quote from FIBA Europes home page about yesterdays game: "However, the biggest clash in Division B arguably took place in Baku where Azerbaijan had their unbeaten record smashed in spectacular style by visiting Sweden who came out on top 101-73 after a blistering final quarter and another phenomenal performance by Jonas Jerebko. With the scores tied 41-41 at the half, Sweden edged themselves into a handy 7 point lead at the end of the third period and then exploded with 38 points during the last quarter to leave the hosts stunned. Jerebko claimed 35 points and 10 rebounds while Anton Saks added a valuable 20 points for the winning team."
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See, I think this might be fairly significant...
Different competition, different circumstances, I know. But if a guy like Jonas—who we love as a high-energy, non-stop-motor, ultimate team player kind of guy can absolutely dominate these sorts of games, it bodes well. First of all, it indicates that he has that sort of ability to take over under the right circumstances. But perhaps his success this summer will light the offensive fire for him, give him confidence that he has the tools to be more than an eight PPG scorer.
It was interesting for me to watch how quickly many of us, even amidst a stellar first season, tried to reign in expectations for him. It seems that the consensus here is that, dreamy looks aside, Jonas is probably a solid role player, rather than a budding star. And that may well be true. But had he averaged 11 and 6 this summer, those arguments would have more of a ring of certainty to them.
Maybe this guy will really, really be that good…
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by MrHappyMushroom on Aug 22, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
Anything to boost the confidence. I don’t care if he’s playing at the Y against some friends. If he can score at will and that translates to more confidence in his abilities and aggressiveness, I’m all for it. He definitely has all the right tools, and the boyish good looks, to keep getting better.
by garrettelliott on Aug 22, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
First let me say, I love Jonas, and if I were Joe, unless we were getting one of the really top tier superstars in a trade, Jonas would be untouchable.
But, scoring like this against the teams that were listed is something that he should do. I’d be more concerned if he didn’t score more than 20 and grab more than 10 boards in each one of those games.
The thing that is VERY encouraging about this though, is that it shows he only knows one way to play. Hard, all the time. Put him against Spain, USA or Argentina in any of those four games, I really don’t think he would put up those numbers, but the fact that he always plays hard is what is important because it puts him in position to dominate teams that he is SUPPOSED to dominate. We haven’t had a lot of these types of players around here lately and it’s refreshing.
Him not putting up those numbers against the 3 best teams in the world
is not surprising…seeing as he’s really the only guy that Sweden has to offer. But even Art Parkhouski put up numbers against Kansas despite being their only threat.
Would Jonas have scored 20 in the 4th quarter? Probably not…but USA also just let Juan Carlos Navarro drop 20+ on them with nothing but running jump shots yesterday.
So my point is, Jonas could have easily dominated for Sweden against USA, Spain, or Argentina, even if the team itself got annhilated.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 23, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's impossible for Jonas to put up numbers like that against one of the
powerhouses, once in a while. I just don’t think it’s likely and he definitely can’t do it with consistency. I was mostly responding to MrHappyMushroom’s last sentence where he alluded to Jonas possibly having “Star” potential. He surely has the potential to become a star, I just don’t think it’s likely he will.
I would argue that having to heave up 30 shots to get 20 points isn’t domination, and that is what Jonas would probably have to do to get to that point total against one of the better teams.
Jonas is a really good NBA player, and he will definitely be a contributor on really good NBA teams in his career.
Navarro’s game is running jump shots. Letting him shoot those is like letting Tim Duncan bank it in from the wing all game. Him putting up 20+ points in a quarter in an international game shooting floaters from the three point line (which is about a foot closer than the NBA line, if not closer) is not that surprising to me. Also, Spain is ranked higher than the US internationally, so he has to have weapons around him to divert some attention to free himself up. Now, had he scored those points through penetrating to the basket I’d be surprised. Plus it was just an exhibition game.
Did you watch the game?
While exhibition in title, there was nothing that suggested the players were holding back. Maybe the coaches held back some offensive sets and defensive schemes, but the players were going all out.
Spain and USA are developing a rivalry on the international level that could easily end up surpassing any of the classic 80s NBA rivalries. The only thing holding it back is the constant swapping of players on Team USA and the fact that most of the shit that went down in the 80s wouldn’t fly anywhere…unless its Nenad Krstic throwing a chair.
And I realize Navarro’s game is running jumpers and floaters, but he’s also not playing in the NBA last I checked. I’m not saying the NBA is the only indication of talent level but for the vast majority of the history of basketball, it has been.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I did watch the game
Maybe the coaches held back some offensive sets and defensive schemes, but the players were going all out.
Players get hot. If nothing is done to take away something that a player is on a role with, he is obviously going to torch you. Coach K, in my opinion, didn’t want to give anything away in an exhibition game, so he didn’t make any defensive adjustments to take that shot away electing to allow whoever was guarding him to just man-up. Again, the dude got hot, add on top of that he was able to do what he’s most comfortable with and you get the result that you saw.
The international game is very different from the NBA. That is why Carlos Arroyo can be a star for Puerto Rico but be a dud in the NBA. Navarro doesn’t have the tools he would need to be an effective NBA player. A lot of the 3s he chucked up the other night were within the NBA three point range, and from what I saw he wasn’t that strong going to the rack. Give him a three point line that is like a college (or high school) 3 and he will be a star (which he showed the other night).
But anyway, the topic was Jonas being a star. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility for him to become one. Hard work and hustle can take you a long way (re: Ben Wallace). But, given the team make-up, and the skills and ability he has shown so far, I don’t think it’s likely. I think most likely he’ll be a REALLY good role player who once in a while can drop a 20/10 game on you.
good points across the board
And with regards to Jonas, yeah I think our current team doesn’t lend itself to opening up Jonas’s bag of tricks very often…a shoot/drive first PG, a black hole shooting guard, and a cranky SF (Tay) all take opportunities away from JJ.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
regardless of our team
Jonas doesn’t have that big of an array of tools, in fact I would argue that Stuckey has more natural ability – just for one reason or another he can’t seem to fully take advantage of them.
When you look at NBA stars, the grand majority have a big athleticism advantage coming into the league. Jonas’ athleticism is very useful for the NBA game because he’s mobile enough to play on the perimeter but is also tall+strong enough to play in the post – a true combo forward by all definitions. However he is not a freak athlete by any means.
Plenty of players can get by on skill alone, but very few are stars. If you take a look at the ones who are, such as Chauncey and Duncan, they are supremely skilled at the things required for their position. Tim has just about every move in the book and Chauncey has a combination of unbelievable shooting ability combined with enough size to play through contact and draw easy fouls. Both are some of the best in the game at reading the defense and taking advantage of holes in the system.
Jonas really doesn’t have any of those, and that’s why I think he’ll project more into the realm of supreme role player. His jumper is pretty good, especially when considering his size, but it’s not as good as Daye’s, let alone Chauncey, Pierce or Ray Allan. He’s got a nice developing jump hook, but it’s not a go to move yet. He’s a plus defender because of hustle, persistence and athleticism, but isn’t that great at anticipating moves just yet – though I have confidence that will come with time.
However, the most important factor, and the one that Jonas does excell at is taking advantage of what tools he does have at hand. There are plenty of potential superstar players that are just average guys because they can’t take advantage of what they have. I think John Wall will be one of those guys. He could be a taller Isiah, but I highly doubt it as he just doesn’t have the mental aspect of the game down from what I’ve seen. He will be very good, but not as good as he could be. Jonas on the other hand, should be by all means an average player when you look at his physical abilities, and yet he’s proven to be a great complimentary player.
I don’t think it’s an insult by any means to call him a top end role player. If you’re skilled enough to make a big – positive – impact on a championship caliber squad, and I think he will be, then he’s better than at least 60% of the league. Just keep in mind those guys who are stars on championship teams would be superstars on just about any other team. KG for instance, had dominant numbers in Minnesota, but just well above average stats in Boston. If Jonas can contribute 10 and 8 on a contending team, or 15 and 10 on our current bad team, then by all means he’s a big success in my book – just not a star.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 25, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You can never have enough news about that super scrappy Swede
Oh and plus about what Mr. Happy Mushroom said. I really think we could have Jerebko as a replacement for Tay.
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 22, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions
Oh and Sozz, I love the humble attitude you take at the end of your post
If one post about Jonas this summer is enough, then please remove this one.
I think all can agree with me on this one point:
You can never have enough posts about Jonas at any time, but especially in the summer. Hell I know Kriz is still waiting for the Jonas caught on the beaches in his sexy swedish speedo.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 22, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
So I thought I'd see if I could check out the boxscore but FIBA Europe doesn't seem to have it up yet
Although I’m really sucking at navigating that site for whatever reason. In any event, they have the play-by-play available so I took a look through that instead. Here are the things that jumped out at me:
- Jerebko had at least 4 made 3 pointers, 3 of which were in the 4th
- Jerebko seemed to be their maind defensive rebounder which makes me wonder whether other players are capable of rebounding on his team or if he’s more or less the offensively gifted Ben Wallace of the Swedish National team
- Jerebko got to the line a LOT and hit the vast majority of his free throws
- Jerebko seemed to be taking the ball to the hoop a lot with a few dunks and made lay ups as well as a few missed that ultimately led to free throws
- He only had a few turnovers (ball handling mistake, bad pass, and offensive foul)
So without tallying everything up since well I’m at work and supposed to be working this morning, it appears that not only did he score in bunches, but he did so in a VERY efficient manner getting an even distribution of points from the free throw line, beyond the arc, and getting into the interior for dunks and lay ups.
The only negative about this game is that its the last one of the summer :-( But it begs the question, what if Jonas could do at least a tempered version of this next year while picking up his defense? At 6’10", if he puts on another 5 – 10 lbs of muscle, could he be the Lebron stopper we’re looking for?
Jerebko d’s up Lebron, Stuckey/T-Mac against Wade, and Monroe/Wallace/Maxiell against Bosh? MIAMI AIN’T GOT NOTHIN ON US.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
greaterest all-around player that ever was
By year 3 he’ll be an uncanny hybrid of Wilt Chamberlain, Julius Erving, and Pistol Pete Maravich, with a smattering of Dennis Rodman for good measure.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 22, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I vote the record on the main page be changed to 3-1 in honor of Jonas.
They are 3-1 right?
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by JumpingBlob on Aug 23, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am utterly impressed by everything he's done
I still think that Jonas is nothing but a glorified role player on a championship team right now, but hot damn are those impressive stats.
I’d like to see him translate that to the NBA before I start calling him the next coming of Laimbeer (or at least a guy that’s a rugged defender and can score in many ways), but man is he getting really impressive.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 22, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
The few highlights I've seen of him from FIBA play
are definitely transferable to the NBA…but unless he shows that he can be a crunchtime/clutch scorer, what more could you expect than a glorified role player on a championship caliber team?
I mean Lamar Odom is a glorified role player on the Lakers right? If Odom were playing out his days on a less competitive team, he’d still be one of the focal points, right?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 22, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Odom at the same age
Because Odom is just a bit more versatile, but yeah same type of player (minus the ability to play center)
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 22, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Odom at Jonas's age? Now you're just speakin silly!
Aside from assists, which in Odom’s 3rd season in the NBA (when he was 22), and to a lesser degree blocks, Jonas shot more efficiently, at a higher percentage from beyond the arc and within, better from the charity stripe, rebounded at a higher rate, fouled less, turned the ball over less, and had a considerably higher offensive rating (113 to Odom’s 94).
And mind you this was Odom’s 3rd season in the league…I think I’ll still take Jonas over Odom even if Odom was playing like he was at 22.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
edit:
“Which in Odom’s 3rd season in the NBA he distributed at an extremely high rate”
Forgot to finish my thought there.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
By the way...looking at the fact that Odom only played in around 30 games that season
It got me wondering…what else was interesting in the 2001-2002 season? Then I found the All NBA 3rd team:
Jermaine O’Neal, Indiana Pacers
Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons
Dikembe Mutombo, Philadelphia 76ers
Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics
Steve Nash, Dallas Mavericks
I realize they don’t do these all NBA teams by position necessarily, but does this mean that Ben Wallace would have played SF?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
jonas is balling out of control
hopefully he brings all this game back home with him, we are going to need it.
Does this mean Tayshaun is becoming expendable?
At some point, even Tayshaun will realize he is expendable. If he can’t hang on to his starting spot, I can bet he asks to get moved to a contender, (I’m thinking out to LA for caracter, barnes, and the machine’s contract)
Tay's been expendable for a while.
Once we stopped contending, his use to us became moot. I think he’s a perfect fit for the Magic.
I’d say it’s realistic to think that Jonas could become a 15 and 8 guy in a couple years. I don’t think he’ll ever look like an All Star player or anything, and he won’t be known as a skill guy, but he’ll score points, make hustle plays, grab boards, play smart basketball, and avoid mistakes.
I hope he’s a career-long Piston.
I stand by that
Except I think he actually can provide closer to 10 boards per game if he spends a lot of time at PF. However 8 boards from the 3 would still be excellent imo, especially if he stays on a Will Bynum type contract once he gets his extension
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 22, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If he ends up being 13-15 and 8-10 … I’m guessing he’ll (justifiably) laugh at a Bynum-like deal, don’t you think?
not necessarily
Keep in mind background changes your perspective on everything. Will probably should have gotten a bigger deal, but I’m willing to bet due to his past struggles, that money seemed like a fortune to him (and he said so himself).
So with that mind and that Jonas is currently making the minimum, even if he gets a $3 mil per year deal, that’s still 6x what he has right now and a sizable increase
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 23, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Dr. JJ?
I watched the Doctor play his first couple years in the ABA and Jonas is no Dr. J. But I tthink he has the potential to be a really solid pro because when you look at his work in Europe in prior years he continued to get stronger and better. I think it’s still debateable whether he should be a PF or SF, though I expect he’ll get most of his minutes at PF this year.
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by Mike Payne on Aug 23, 2010 12:11 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
only if we're talking potential
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 23, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
facepalm
you missed out on the whole Terrico White potential charade
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 23, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Jonas Jerebko
Save some of the those performances for the season man.
by Detroitsportsfan3 on Aug 23, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions
Just saw this post, good job sozz.
I love Jonas, he embodies everything I want in a Piston. It’s also great to see him playing well and getting minutes at the international level, although I do especially as a Boomers fan (looking at Patty Mills in particular) take these results with the requisite amount of salt.
/full homo
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.
Jonas Jerebko will have more rings than the RZA, Liberace, and Mr. T combined
I’d bet my farm on it. Not my farmville farm either. My real farm
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
by Skylar on Aug 24, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fuck Farmville, and Mafia Wars for that matter too
They are the de-evolution from everything that videogames should be.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 24, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
uh, yeah.
I was kidding.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
oh yeah...it wasn't necessarily addressed directly at you...just in general
those are my sentiments towards farmville and mafia wars.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
they're all hidden from my facebook feed.
I know one girl who’s entire FB wall is crammed full of jewel master or whatever, it seems like everyday Zynga is inventing some new dumb shit for people to waste time on.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
I'm old school
Crossword puzzles. Out of the newspaper – never that bullshit easy USA Today shit, neither! Only use pens, too. Erasers, like ambulances, are for losers.
by TDP on Aug 24, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
"Erasers, like ambulances, are for losers."
Good
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
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