ESPN Insider Rankings: # 29- Blurring the line between journalism and fanboy-ism once again
by tads on Aug 23, 2010 10:21 PM EDT
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PrintMore swill scraped from ESPN's lower intestinal wall. This time it's Hollinger and Chris Broussard are responsible for smearing this filth on a word processor and plopping it down on the internets. This time the pistons are ranked 29th in the NBA. I'll put $110 million dollars on buddy-ball getting the number 1 slot, as per mandatory league-wide Miami jock-straddling regulations. Full Text below.
I'd like to be mad about these rankings, but the fact that they don't mention any of the reasons we will be better than we were last year (Bynum, Jerebko, health, etc.), it's clear they didn't attempt too much research here. It will just help add gravity to my icy glare and dead panned "No", for when anyone asks "Aren't you surprised at how well the pistons are doing this year?"
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29. Detroit Pistons
The more things change: Years ago, when Tracy McGrady was healthy and in his prime, the Pistons tried and failed to trade for him. Well, they finally got McGrady, signing him as a free agent this summer for the veteran's minimum of $1.35 million. But the 31-year-old McGrady is such a shell of himself that the Pistons were perhaps the only team that wanted him. McGrady will get a chance to shine in Detroit, though, which is an opportunity he would not have received in most places. The Pistons also finally got a skilled big man, happily drafting Georgetown's Greg Monroe. Monroe has great talent, but his toughness and determination have been questioned, as he underachieved in NCAA ball.
The more they stay the same: Detroit's three best players may still play largely the same position. Point guard Rodney Stuckey may be more like a shooting guard, a position that's already stocked with Richard Hamilton and Ben Gordon. The three are too small to start in a three-guard lineup, but the Pistons' front line is too offensively challenged to put up big points without those three on the floor.
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Ranked 29th?
This is Madness!
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the cuddly monkey then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the peace lily.
but the Pistons’ front line is too offensively challenged to put up big points without those three on the floor.
This was the crux of my knock on the Pistons last year, but the draft entirely changed that. Our frontcourt offense is actually going to be okay this season, which is a major improvement from last year. I expect our defense to fall quite a bit, unless the Benaissance continues, but our offense in the frontcourt is going to be okay— which will lead to more dimes for our guards.
I also think the expectation that McGrady is going to be a big part of this team is retarded, and if they’re right, Joe is even more retarded than I give him credit for. I’d like to think he’s not a moron, just misguided, and that anyone thinking McGrady is going to get big minutes is brainfucked. But to point at the Pistons, laughing, saying “McGrady!!!” as some kind of insult… you’re devoid of an actual analysis that can benefit actual fans of the sport you’re actually supposed to be writing about.
You know what I think we should do? And I’m entirely fucking serious about this— we should collectively work on a list of “DBB Insider Rankings: 10 ESPN Blowhards Who Will Eat Their Excrement in 2010/11”. Basically, we list ESPN “writers” (I put that in quotes because they are voiceless shills at this point) by their big claims for each season, and place them by who we expect to be the most wrong by the end of the season. We’d give them a taste of their own semen medicine.
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by Mike Payne on Aug 23, 2010 11:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And you, Rick Reilly...
eat shit just because I said so.
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You know what I think we should do? And I’m entirely fucking serious about this— we should collectively work on a list of "DBB Insider Rankings: 10 ESPN Blowhards Who Will Eat Their Excrement in 2010/11". Basically, we list ESPN "writers" (I put that in quotes because they are voiceless shills at this point) by their big claims for each season, and place them by who we expect to be the most wrong by the end of the season. We’d give them a taste of their own semen medicine.
Go ahead and put these two on that list, Chad Ford gets on there for this . Does Jeff Van Gundy work there? He shouldn’t get away with saying the heat are going to win 72 games. The 93 experts were on some rock, Team Turnaround: Miami Heat? I’d bet we improve on our 27 wins more than they improve on their 47, but besides that not one vote? Doesn’t the Piston Powered guy have a ballot? To round out the list I’d include that GM piece that prada at SB Nation wrote. Hollinger is definitely at the top of the list though.
Once the season is over I’d vote to mail these douchbags shit-covered copies of their articles, thats not illegal is it?
Now you know the Celtics, Thunder, Magic, and Lakers are not gonna let that happen.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
Yeah...do some quick math here...
They play 2 against the Lakers and Thunder, and at least 4 against the Celtics and Magic:
They split with all of these teams and that will be 6 losses right there. So the Heat will have to avoid dropping 4 games on off nights.
While Chauncey, Rip, and Roscoe are not Wade, Lebron, and Bosh…they were still incredibly consistent but even all 3 of those guys had off nights on the same night.
Plus the Pistons will win all of their games against the Heat since they have JonRod Wallace…the LeDwyane Bosh stopper.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 24, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you know the Harlem Globetrotters are not gonna let that happen.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
by Skylar on Aug 24, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm Ok With Chad Ford
Being that he’s JD’s unofficial mouthpiece and all..whenever JD wants to put something out there…Ford’s usually his go to guy.
I mean it’s either him or Drew Sharp…you make the call on that one.
by V. on Aug 24, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know the numbers
But I believe last year the pistons had a better record against the top 4 teams in the EC than the rest of the league. Which is of course uncharacteristic of a team that landed where the pistons landed last year.
oh and also
I printed this out and whiped my ass with it (i’m serious, i’d put it in my scanner if I didn’t want to break it) because they actually had the audacity to list the Toronto Raptors ahead of us.
I’m a pessimistic bastard. But the Raptors are like the gold standard of shit eating teams. Come on now.
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Andrea Bargnani is gonna BLOW UP this season.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 24, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention Amir! That guy’s potential is through the roof.
by garrettelliott on Aug 24, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah maybe if he weren't already a washed up has been...
His best years were when he was dominating for Sioux Falls.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 24, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The Timberwolves are 30th on their list
At least the Pistons have that going for them.
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29th
You have to be kidding me, shows how smart ESPN is.
by Detroitsportsfan3 on Aug 24, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe Hollinger is overcompensating for the Pistons making him look bad last year
He predicted a 39-43 record in 2009-2010.
I’m curious as to what the general consensus was around here for how the Pistons were going to do last season? Can’t recall, I’m just a casual visitor to these parts, and to MSM before it.
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General Consensus:
Pistons will struggle to defend but will score points effortlessly resulting in high-scoring entertaining games and that the biggest questions coming into the season were, “Could Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva adopt the gritty defensive mindset that so many other Detroit Pistons players have had in the past 6 years?”
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 24, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN you guys are all Dickbutts
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
by Skylar on Aug 24, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
dude where can I get that sweatshirt.
does it come with a microphone.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
No but it comes with Bill Cosby.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
In the past three years,
The 2nd worst team in the league has won 15 (Minnesota in 2009), 19 (Washington in 2008), and 20 (Seattle in 2007) games. That means over the past 3 seasons, the 2nd worst team in the league has averaged 18 wins.
Call me crazy, but I find it hard to believe we’ll lose somewhere around 9 more games this season compared to last.
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Aug 24, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ESPN EXPERTS PICK MIAMI AS BEST OF THE DECADE BEFORE THEY PLAY A GAME
This trash doesn’t deserve a fan post.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=SummerForecast10-TeamOfDecade
"Best of the decade before they play a game"
before they’ve even played a game. Of course they’re not right.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
Agreed
The Miami Heat will likely be very good. I’m not putting all my chips on the fact that they may be a dynasty, but they will be very very good. However, saying they’re better than the Spurs or the Lakers ALREADY is just ridiculous.
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 27, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this.
But they have the potential to be as good as the hype. Can you imagine if they land Dampier?
In all seriousness brgulker, if you ignore the potential pitfalls they face with injury, chemistry, salary, it is still premature to get that excited about them together. They could be a good basketball team, but they really have three weapons and maybe mike miller if he can stay on the court. They are going against teams that have at least 6, you gotta think in the playoffs their lack of offensive options will make them predictiable. I guess the argument is that they will be so consistently good that no one can stop whatever they are doing. But then you’re comparing Lebron or Wade’s dribble drive to something as technically proficient as Stockton-Malone Pick and Roll, which is a play that was as close as you can get to unstoppable. Their lack of offensive complexity seems impossible to overcome IMO, and perhaps will be the end of them even if they do avoid all of the other things that might go wrong. But, we won’t know until they are in the middle of a deep 4 games series.
by tads on Aug 27, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
overly optimistic eureka moment. Miami becomes so rediculously dominant for two seasons due to the dribble drive of Wade and Lebron that the league actually adds rules to help with defense again to limit the Flaming Douche in Miami. Likely to happen, no.
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
If the league removes the hand checking rules
Then I think the playing field suddenly becomes a lot more fair. You would still have to be at least at the Magic’s level to compete with Miami, but Wade and LeBron not getting 20 free throws a game (not exaggerating with that number) would take a big chunk out of the Heat’s offensive and force them to defend.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 27, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you watch the Olympics? Did you see any chemistry problems then?
I’m not saying they definitely will be brilliant in year one. I agree that they have issues to work out. What I’m saying is, if they do manage to work those out, tame the egos, buy into a team concept, and stay healthy — we’re talking about a team that could rival the Bulls of the 90’s.
As to offensive complexity … Yeah, I just don’t buy your argument. They’ve got the two best slashers, finishers and foul-drawing wings in the game, and a legitimate All Star PF who can shoot, create his own shot, and rebound. Assuming they will always have at least two of those players on the floor at once, surrounded by role players who know their role (and can all space the floor), I don’t buy for a second that their offense won’t be brilliant.
Their interior defense is the defining question for them, IMO, and Damp would help dramatically.
Did you watch the Olympics? Did you see any chemistry problems then?
Nope. In fact, this was the inception of the “N.W.O./Big 3 2010”. They all got along so well that they immediately began scheming on how they could be the Celtics, but younger and famouser. This was also when C3PO started becoming disenfranchised with New Orleans.
Whatever, MFGE called all this shit years ago.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
by Skylar on Aug 28, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They may have two of the best slashers in the game, but how much of any game is going to be slashing and creating off the dribble? Are they going to be “Team And1”, scoring all their points of dazzling dribble drives or free throws? I’m not saying they won’t score points, but calling them the odds on lock for team of the decade, and to break the record for greatest season of all time seems very premature. Their offense is part of the reason why.
For instance, on a slow night in the playoffs in a must win situation, who is going to step up and change the tempo of the game?
’96 bulls had Ron Harper, who was a 20ppg scorer the season before he joined the bulls. They also had Toni Kukoc who could score from all over the floor, plus Steve Kerr et al.
This years Lakers team had amazing contributions from Ron Artest and Derek Fisher, but wouldn’t have been able to win without Lamar Odom coming off the bench and changing the whole tone of the game in both championships. Meanwhile the Celtics had huge games from everyone outside of their big 3 from Rondo to Robinson but came up short. Many say if Sheed were in better shape they would have won and I agree.
This Celtics team, with their own “big three” did not win a championship because their number 4 big man was out of shape. Doesn’t this support an argument that we should wait and see if some of the talk about the Heat are premature.
Is Mike Miller going to take over the game? Can Eddie House do for the Heat what Nate Robinson did for the Celtics this past playoffs? Is Jamaal Magloire a game changer (or at least anything more than a warm body)? It takes a whole team to win a championship, outside of their three Miami is weak offensively.
Sorry this is long but you got me thinking.
One other thing, one of those big 3’s production will drop, it happened with Celtics, it happened when Odom & Artest joined the Lakers, Michael rejoined the Bulls, etc. I’m guessing it will be Bosh. The heat will keep him away from the basket more so that the others can drive, lowering rebounding numbers and points from put backs. Whoever it is, they could develop jealousy over the next 5 years that could surface in ways you wouldn’t see in the 5 weeks of the Olympics.
There will be a fair amount of dribble drive play, but I expect the Heat to use pick-and-rolls extensively. They have Bosh and Haslem that are good catch-and-shoot bigs, plus Wade and LeBron are great ball handlers and passers.
I don’t expect the Heat to win a championship this season, but with judicious use of the mid-level and biannual exceptions, they can become very deep very soon.
Is Mike Miller going to take over the game? Can Eddie House do for the Heat what Nate Robinson did for the Celtics this past playoffs? Is Jamaal Magloire a game changer (or at least anything more than a warm body)?
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the answer to each of those questions next season is yes. At some point, Mike Miller is going to have to hit a big shot for them (and he probably will). Same with House. Jamaal Magloire will probably get a big rebound or tip-in. Great players make the game so much easier for even mediocre players.
by garrettelliott on Aug 29, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
MFGEFTMFW
Totally agreed.
Also, I’d add to Birdman above. They’ve also got Big Z to space the floor, in addition to Bosh and Haslem.
Are they going to be "Team And1", scoring all their points of dazzling dribble drives or free throws?
I realize that this is partly a rhetorical question, but I won’t be a bit surprised if Miami leads the league in fouls drawn. And yeah, when it’s Wade and James driving the basketball, both of whom can get to the rim almost at will, I just don’t see how they need much more than a few shooters to be unstoppable.
I just don’t see how they need much more than a few shooters to be unstoppable.
What I love about the Pistons at their best, and as a corollary Izzo’s Spartans, is that they are always tough at all five positions all game long. I would much rather watch a team make the extra pass for the corner three then watch the dazzling-ist of dribble drives. I’m weird like that. I’ll never get behind this Heat team unless they prove they have the personnel that can support a real functioning offense and not just a series of ISOs. For all the 3-4 reasons that their offense will be awesome there are 3-4 reasons that offense will be unbalanced and inconsistent.
All I’m saying is that it is too early to call them unstoppable.
We are comparing them to the greatest team of all-time right? I know they will score a whole shit load of points and win a whole shit load of games, but what I’m arguing is that aren’t (yet) good enough to hit 72, they aren’t guaranteed 6 straight championships, and they may have offense struggles in the playoffs against tough defensive teams like Orlando, Boston, and the Lakers. Given other potential problems (Injury, Depth, Defense, and yes Chemistry) it is too early for me to compare them to the ’96 Bulls, or anoint them the team of the decade for that matter.
All I’m saying is that it is too early to call them unstoppable.
I think their offense will be … their defense on the other hand…
Their defense could be pretty good. Wade and James are good defenders. Haslem is a great defender. Bosh isn’t great, but he’s not Zach Randolph, either.
only Cousins can come close to being Zebo
And even still, that might just be too controversial for even him
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 30, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
not to mention Z who also can knock down the 18 foot jumper
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Bro...In all seriousness
Miami definitely has more options than you’re saying. Totally serviceable backups with Arroyo, Haslem, Z, House, and Miller. A dude in the stands could start at PG. Plus all this size and experience, even at roster 11th and 12th guys. Not saying Miami will win 72 games, but they’re not just a 3-headed monster
What if this abomination of teamwork, small-markets, and the game that is as American as Jazz and apple pie is allowed to win championship after championship for the next 6 years? What should happen if all of the journalists who swore allegiance to Lebron, forsaking all other basketball stories, disregarding any attempts at objectivity, not caring how many bodies they leave dead and bloody along the way just so they can make a name for themselves as an investigatory journalists are actually correct? What will happen if for the next 6 straight years Stuart Scott will be filling the waning minutes of every NBA finals with phrases like “the king will once again be anointed”, or “Michael Jordan doubted, Charles Barkley doubted, Magic Johnson doubted…” or “Zydrunas Ilgauskas, the human victory cigar takes the floor” before delivering a trophy to the heat for every year of their 6 year contracts?
What should happen if they are all right?
Even in 2020 I would say “The press were some on some bandwagon-ass-cat status when Lebron and Dwyane and the other guy signed. Even current Alabama Governor Charles Barkley said it was turrible. Besides we all know if Jonas Jerebko hadn’t been traded by ‘the GM who shall not be named’ The pistons would have beaten them in all of those Eastern Conference Finals.”
by tads on Aug 27, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ESPN
A wretched hive of scum and not giving a shit about NBA basketball.
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 27, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
they should change their name to WHOS
I’d respect them much more. They’re all shitbirds.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
I fail to see the problem.
The “experts” were asked which will be the best team of the next ten years. The Heat seem a logical choice. You can certainly debate the merit of the question, but the actual answers seem reasonable.
There is always a problem to be had when you are fucking with the Wretched Hive Of Scum Network.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
I think two things could ultimately put the thunder on top
1) Serge Ibaka – Depending on who he ends up being, the Thunder could realistically take over the Western Conference as Kobe starts hitting the end of his career
2) Thunder acquire a franchise center – Think about it…they took the Lakers to 6 games with Nenad Krstic, Ibaka, Collison, and Jeff Green in their frontcourt. You swap a guy like Marc Gasol in there and that team is spooky good.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I really, really like Ibaka
He’s like a taller Big Ben with offense minus some of the athleticism. The guy is an amazing defender – he’s got his timing down as good as our man back when he first arrived, not to mention had a really nice win share for a rookie (better than Melo’s)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ibakase01.html
I don’t really think they have to acquire a franchise center, they have that type of guy in Ibaka if he progresses to his full potential, and Cole Aldrich would be an amazing compliment at the 5. That deal for Aldrich went really under the radar because of free agency, but it was the type of shrewd move that Joe would have pulled off 5 years ago. I’m willing to bet my beard that the Thundar win at least 55 games, if not 60 because some of the West have gotten worse this past year.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 27, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You swap a guy like Marc Gasol in there and that team is spooky good.
Don’t forget about the draft day trade for Cole Aldrich. He could certainly project out to be a poor-man’s Gasol, and if they can get 10/10/2 from him and get a PF with a bit more talent than Green… nasty.
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And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 27, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah I forgot about Aldrich
not to mention BlowJob Mullens…and knowing OKC, they’ll sign Art and he’ll turn into the Ivan Drago of the NBA, minus getting his ass-kicked by an undersized italian guy named rocky.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
You Shouldn't Worry About OKC
That’s for the Lakers and Heat to do. They’re next up, IMHO if Presti can keep the core intact. Best young team in the league+best GM in the league, they have lots of upside.
by V. on Sep 7, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick, JOD, trade Wilcox to Oklahoma City!
by -PS- on Sep 7, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, You Got It Backwards
He said “PF” before “nnnasty”.
by V. on Sep 8, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm Actually Counting On OKC
To keep the Heat ringless after Kobe and Co are past their prime. And I think I can get some pretty good seats to Thunder games…just have to find a way to to get OKC..but why would I?
by V. on Sep 8, 2010 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I can pretty much promise you that if OKC wins a championship before Seattle gets another team
That there will be war between the states of Washington and Oklahoma. And mainly because I’ll start it.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
If you don’t like “experts” predicting things in sports before they happen, then ESPN is not the place for you.
by Not a Gunslinger on Aug 27, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a good example
of what happens when you stray from the limelight for a couple years, what national publications will do with an opinion, especially when the ownership is a mess. And, yeah, I disagree.
You have to admit that the Central is pretty terrible. Chicago’s still a pretender with Boozer, a straight joke prankster squad. And that’s the best team in this department. Detroit’s bound to win more games just because its surrounding competitors are weeeeeeeeeeeeeak.
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
Dude, no way
The Central isn’t great. Only an idiot would claim that. But its sneaky-alright.
As far as bad teams go, there’s us and Indiana. The jury’s still out on Cleveland, but I think, especially if you look at it, that they’ll be better than anybody expects. Lebron didn’t have a horrible supporting cast, he just didn’t give shit and quit on the Celtics. That was a winnable game, but Lebron just bitched out. Then, you’ve got the Bucks and the Bulls, both of whom should be 45-50 game winning teams. Both of them improved, especially the Bucks, who have put sneakily put together a team that’s a Sheed move away from being a contender. In fact, there’s a lot in common:
-young stud point guards: I’ll agree Derrick Rose is a tad overrated, but dude’s still good. And Brandon Jennings is going to have a great career.
-John Salmons
-Animals with four legs
-Hard assed defensive coaches that will push their players (Thibhoweveryousayit and Skiles)
-Fairly young teams with some veteran presence
-Each has a top ten center
There’s two playoff teams, and three fringe playoff teams. The central isn’t godawful by any means.
by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 3, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
the bucks could be pretty good
but bogut cant even fully extend his elbow yet or shoot without it filling up with fluid. so thats kinda rough for them.
Ouch. That sucks for him. Bogut was putting together a pretty awesome year last year, and he’s still young. Hopefully his elbow goes back to normal.
by garrettelliott on Sep 4, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
It was ugly looking at the time, but I figured he'd come back quicker.
but it has proved to be very debilitating, and tough to heal out of.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
Derrick Rose is Fool's Gold
he’s junk.
And the atlantic is more junk when you compare it to the central, but they’re both superturds against the southeast. it used to be the other way around, southeast superjunk with the central running the business.
there isn’t one team, including the Pistons, i’d care to watch in the central, if i was a casual observer. sneaky-alright ain’t good enough.
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
I don’t think Rose is as good as the NBA wants us to think he is, but he’s probably better than most. And certainly has the potential to be pretty good. I like the Bulls and think they’ll go far.
by garrettelliott on Sep 4, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
The Central is still better than the Atlantic though. The 76ers, Nets, and Raptors blow. The Knicks are going to lose in the first round. The Celtics, notwithstanding.
The Raptors will be worse than the Cavs this year, unless Andrea Bargnani turns into alternate universe Darko. I don’t think you’re giving the Central enough credit, Derrick Rose’s overatedness notwithstanding. I agree he’s not going to be the best point in the NBA ever, but he’s not awful.
by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 4, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
The Cavs will likely be better than us
I’m fed up with all the bullshit that LeBron had no talent around him. There’s a reason why they were the best defensive team and a great offensive team 2 years ago, but took a step back with Shaq. That big lineup they had featuring Big Z, Big Ben, Verajao and Hickson was basically the perfect compliment to LeBron if he really was the man. Think about it, there was athleticism, shooting range, and supreme defense in that rotation. Add to it that they had a nice slew of pure shooters with a lock down wing defender and you have a solid team.
I’m calling that they’re at least .500 because they’re going to be pissed and want to make a statement, combined with the fact they no longer have Shaq and that Jamison is still a better big than anyone we have (at this moment, that will change in a year or two).
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Sep 4, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I could see Jamison stepping up and showing shades of his Wizard-self. The chip on their shoulder might also win them a few games, too. I think they’ll be better than most people think, too. A lot of sites have them ranked at the bottom.
by garrettelliott on Sep 4, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
IMO, Danny Ferry did a pretty damn good job building a solid team around Lebron, and in the last few seasons, this placed Ferry amongst the best GMs in the league.
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I'm not sure what else he could have done
It wasn’t Ferry’s fault that Shaq sucked; LeBron asked to bring him in. All in all I think since 07 Ferry made just about every good move he could, capitalizing in the draft, trades and free agency. The moves that seemed to screw the team over were the ones that LeBron requested, such as Shaq or bringing in Jamison (who is a good player, but they had no cap space to recover the loss of LeBron after trading for him).
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Sep 5, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Cleveland’s mistake was and remains Mike Brown. Danny Ferry did a really nice job with what he had available.
agreed.
The lack of confidence he had to make the tough but necessary PT changes (like not playing the young bigs against an aging boston frontline) pretty much cost them the championship this year. That and Delonte West.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I Need To Think About That One
I also need to think abut stopping post-stalking you, so can you make less interesting points next time? I’m not that sold, because the chemistry never looked all that right. Also, what was MJ, 27? before he got his first ring?
I’ve said this before (read below), I have no clue how Mike Brown got a job being a head coach in the NBA. Dude might actually be worse than Flip. Since he was Ferry’s hire…
by V. on Sep 8, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Aside from Flip's ridiculous neck movement and impeccable style
he’s really not that bad of a regular season coach. If all you’re looking for is playoff appearances, he’d probably be your man.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
In hindsight
I think Flip was a pretty good coach overall. I’ve got two main gripes with him. 1) Failing to develop enough confidence in the bench to go to them in the Playoffs. 2) Always defaulting to iso’s for Tay in the post in crunch time instead of trusting the fluidity of ball and player movement.
adjustments
he was like a deer in the headlights, when the plan didn’t work.
I’d take the Bulls a little more seriously if they managed to dump Deng and Noah on the Nuggets, for Melo. Melo’s kind of a pretender himself but now you got fake-ass Rose, fake-ass Melo, and fake-ass Boozer? That could fake-ass its way to an ECF with the proper riggage.
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
You think that the Bulls trading Noah and Deng for Carmelo would make Chicago better? That seems unlikely. Heck, a straight-up Deng for Melo deal might not be an improvement for the Bulls.
Thats probably a stretch...Deng hasn't been much since about 3 years ago
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
not true
the two were quite close last year when Melo had a “breakout” season and Deng was finally playing a full year without major injuries. Melo has a big lead in PER, but I think that (and TS%) largely comes from being a star and getting tons of free throws. Think about it, Deng has a higher eFG%, meaning he makes more of his shots, just that he gets fewer free throws.
Don’t forget that chicago was just awful defensively last year, and yet Deng has a better d-rating than Melo and the same o-rating.
I personally do not want us to make a play for Melo because he’s just not nearly as productive as he would appear. The real reason why Chauncey improved the team so much when he arrived wasn’t because he straightened up Melo, it was because he’s just an insanely efficient offensive player. Just look at the numbers, Melo’s really didn’t improve at all, in fact they decreased when Billups arrived.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Sep 12, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, I don’t think they would. Noah and Boozer is a killer back court that should play off of each other well. You want to send Taj Gibson out there with Boozer? Play Melo as a power forward? Horrible plan. If they could turn, say, Deng and some picks into Anthony, that would be alright. But the Melo-Noah trade makes sense for NOBODY. It would make the Bulls worse, and it gives the Nuggets too much overlap.
The Nuggets need front court scoring, and the Bulls do need help on the wing, but this is not the way to go.
by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 11, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Well...it makes a lot of sense for Denver
Given the beat up nature of the Nuggets front court, if they somehow were able to acquire a guy like Deng? That’s pretty tasty if you ask me. And they could start Deng at the SF position with Afflalo/Smith at SG.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Sure, they do have injury problems, but those are mainly with Kenyon Martin. Nene’s been holding up fairly well for a while now, and Nene plays a lot like Noah, except Noah is a better player.
Does anybody know the proposed trade?
by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 12, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
See, the first trade is way better for both parties. I still think Deng is SO overrated though. He may be so overrated that he’s underrated now.
by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 13, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
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