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Jonas Jerebko - Star or Role player?


With Jonas dominating for his home country of Sweden against what many would consider amateur caliber opposition, there have been plenty of discussions around what the future might hold for JJ as a player in this league.

I'm all for tempering expectations when it comes to Jonas.  He far surpassed everyone's expectations last year so from that perspective, I have tempered my own expectations if only so I can experience 2 consecutive years of JJ exceeding them.

But with only 1 season in the NBA I also think its unfair to blindly write off the possibility of stardom.  Based on his first season of stats he could very well be the next Dirk/David West/Rashard Lewis or the next Troy Murphy/Boris Diaw/Jeff Green.  To prove my point I compared JJ's rookie season to the 2 above groups of players:

- I used Dirk's 2nd season, Rashard's 2nd season, and West's 1st season
- I used the 1st season for Diaw, Murphy, and Jeff Green

I realize these are small subsets and obviously hand-picked although I did narrow the above average field down from a larger list that also included Charlie V, Bargnani, and Darius Songalia.  I selected these particular players because their ages were close to what JJ's was in his rookie season and DBB's general consensus of the players range from quiet appreciation in the case of Troy Murphy to complete lack of interest in the case of Jeff Green.  This is not perfect but I do think that it provides enough data to substantiate my conclusion below.  As always, I'm posting this for discussion, so I definitely appreciate an opposing point of view and in no way am taking the "lone wolf" stance on JJ's potential.  In this pack, there are many.  And today, I hope to add at least one more wolf.

JJ single season comparison to the "Star Group":
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=jerebjo01&y1=2010&p2=nowitdi01&y2=2000&p3=lewisra02&y3=2000&p4=westda01&y4=2004

In this case, JJ's offensive rating is the highest in the group at 113 while Dirk's is 2nd highest at 112.  I'd argue that Dirk and Rashard greatly benefitted from having Steve Nash and Gary Payton as their point guards in their second season in the league.  Additionally, JJ's True Shooting % and EFG% are in-line with these three "star" power forwards.  Lastly, his PER is the lowest in this group of PFs, however he's being compared to Lewis and Dirk's 2nd year PERs when as mentioned before, Dirk and Rashard were both playing with prolific point guards

JJ single season comparison to the "Above Average" group:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=jerebjo01&y1=2010&p2=diawbo01&y2=2004&p3=greenje02&y3=2008&p4=murphtr01&y4=2002

Looking again at offensive rating, the gap between JJ and the above average players is pretty significant.  As is the gap in True Shooting % and EFG%.  Lastly, his PER which understandably is not a perfect statistic by any means is a full 4 points higher than anyone else in this group.

Conclusion:

JJ is currently more simlar to the star group than he is to the "above average" group on the offensive end as far as statistics go.  While these small subsets don't guarantee stardom for JJ, they should provide us with enough evidence to be cautiously optimistic about what the future holds for JJ.  Now Rashard and Dirk would both be considered better ball handlers and sported higher % from beyond the arc, but both of these are areas that Jonas could easily improve on and obviously has the work ethic to do so.

And of course, if Bynum evolves into Steve Nash/Gary Payton or a hybrid of the two, it definitely wouldn't hurt JJ's development...

Happy Dead Period between Free Agency and Training Camp everyone!

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I’ll go with rolestar.

by TDP on Aug 24, 2010 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

super rolestar or just rolestar?

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Aug 24, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Level 48 mage?

I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J

by Skylar on Aug 24, 2010 6:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Jonas will become the first player ever to win two MVP awards in a single season.

Also, he will win both Eastern Conference and Western Conference Player of the Week for January 16-22, 2011.

by TDP on Aug 24, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Only if he can harness the power of the 16-sided dye

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Aug 24, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think usage and role are important factors here

JJ was a complete unknown and got by with just the left over shots for the majority of last year. Now towards the end of the year he started making plays not only for himself, but also for others, however I would argue it’s easy to make noise when you’re first coming onto the scene as a side show. Unlike Dirk, who was a fairly high profile player when he came to the league, JJ was able to slide under the radar and was given a lot of open shots initially.

If we’re just looking at first impressions, then Stuckey should be just as good as Derrick Rose and Brennan Boesch is a left handed Pujols. Now the arguement could be made that Stuckey didn’t put up the numbers while JJ has, but I would still say you have to wait to see how the defense adjusts before you can make any “stardom” claims.

Stuckey simply has not adjusted well to the opposition, whereas Chauncey eventually did adjust very well but got off to a terrible start to his career. Every player is different in this category, and so I personally think that we have to wait at least 1 more season before we can fairly judge his NBA statistics.

With that being said, I still think that it’s ludicrous to call him the next Dirk. Dirk is simply one of the best players to ever play the game. He’s consistently been a dominant scorer as a big man, nearly leading a team to a title (he was unbelieveable against Tim Duncan in those playoffs) and setting a record for win streak percentage the following year. However I think David West comparisons are within reason. Their usage rates are nearly identical and West wasn’t that high profile of a player when he came into the league either. Both are versatile scorers but don’t really have much in the way of post moves. On the flipside, JJ is a better perimeter player (in terms of mobility) while West has a better frame to play in the post.

In the end, I feel that whatever he becomes, be it a stud role player or just a straight up stud, he has a very strong chance of making a big impact on a championship caliber squad – which is all that really matters.

"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ

And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand

by bearded thundar on Aug 24, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

With that being said, I still think that it’s ludicrous to call him the next Dirk.

I don’t think he’s the next Dirk, I think he’s the next level Dirk.

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by Mike Payne on Aug 24, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said he was the next Dirk, FWIW...

I only used Dirk as a comparison to show that ruling out potential stardom is unfair.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Aug 24, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someday in the not-too-distant future...

…when Jonas Jerebko has won 15 MVPs and 8 championships (in a single season!), and FIBA+NBA officials rename the sport Jerebko-ball, we will fondly remember this FanPost.

by -PS- on Aug 24, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Jerebko-ball

Which, by 2020 shall be colloquially known as J-ball, which, in turn, further colloquializes into JB, then Jables.

Subsequently, Jack Black files a lawsuit against FIBANBA (pronounced fi-ban-buh) and wins. Thereafter, Jonas is required to tour the country in an acoustic rock-comedy duo known as “Tenacious SweDe.”

by TDP on Aug 24, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I would be happy

If he was the Swedish Dennis Rodman.

I'm off to point the pink pistol at the porcelain firing range.

by Laughton on Aug 24, 2010 8:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

When you think about it next year we could have one of the best teams out there

Bynum – Chris Paul
Stuckey – Wade
Daye – Durant
Jerebko – Dirk (with a great defense)
Monroe – Duncan

Honestly, that doesn’t look like a 29th best team in the league

Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?

by Kriz on Aug 24, 2010 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

29th

best team evar.

witty signature

by Mike Payne on Aug 24, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

green this.

I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J

by Skylar on Aug 25, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pistons win the 2011 NBA title!

And become the first team to win 80 games in the regular season!

by revken on Aug 24, 2010 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

correction
And become the first team to win 80 600 games in the regular season!

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by Mike Payne on Aug 24, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doable.

I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J

by Skylar on Aug 25, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by Packey on Aug 25, 2010 1:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Dead period?

Arrgh, we haven’t had live period this off season with the exception of a couple of blips on the heart monitor…having said that, yeah I have expectations for JJ.

by alaskanpistonsfan on Aug 25, 2010 3:26 AM EDT reply actions  

One other stat to throw in the mix

WP48 (wins produced per 48 minutes) is the per minute derivative of Wins Produced. Players who rate at .200 WP48 or higher tend to be considered “stars” and .300 or higher tends to be “superstar” (not that those terms are clearly defined, though).

Last year, Ben Wallace was a “star” player, judging by that metric (.244). Jonas rated as a .122, which is excellent for a rookie. Rookies tend to improve with time; however, Jonas is a bit older than a lot of other rookies, and he has more experience. So it’s not clear how much he will or won’t improve. Time will tell.

I think it’s possible that he achieves a .200 WP48, but there are several things that I think will impact that greatly. First is position. I tend to think JJ’s a full-time SF, part-time/situational PF. Judging by WP48, Jonas compares more favorably to SFs than PFs. Second, is offensive system and teammates. While I’d never expect Jonas to be the go to guy on offense who gets the ball to create his own shot in crunch time, I do see him as a guy who is very smart, moves well without the ball, and positions himself well. In an offensive system that prioritizes ball and player movement, I think he could thrive.

In short, I think his ceiling is probably more Troy Murphy than Dirk, but that in itself is an enormous complement to someone who was basically an unknown second rounder.

by brgulker on Aug 25, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Jonas Jerebko

Really looking forward to see how much he has improved this off-season. Hopefully he’s saved some of his Sweden performances for some games this year.

by Detroitsportsfan3 on Aug 25, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

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