When will Greg Monroe become a Starter?
by bearded thundar on Aug 29, 2010 12:15 PM EDT
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Feldman over at PistonsPowered just made a poll about when people think Greg Monroe will become a starter. So far mid way through this season is in the lead, which I happen to agree with.
I think that it would be cool for people here to vote on our own poll, and also supply explanations for why the chose said pathway.
I think that he will exclusively start as power forward this year, because he's just not strong enough to play center yet. However I do think in the future he may either spot start at center, or even move to the 5 permanently due to his frame.
Ohh and don't vote for the last one unless if you really can't decide between the others. Your dreams will be corrupted for ever if you do.
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I voted Midway at 4 and 5
I agree he is better fit to play the 4 but considering our lack of 5’s this year , the age of Big Ben and the lack of size from Max that he sees time at both positions. The center spot will most likely be toward the end of the season and in the preseason also. Nice post btw.
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I think he'll start early
and based on matchups, start at either position (I’m not saying I prefer that, but based on our roster I see this as a likely scenario).
I think “mid-way” or “beginning” is kind of a big window, so instead I’ll just say “by December”.
Nice post, BT!
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it would be nice if sbnation polls had an option to be anonymous
Then we could find out the others who voted for point guard
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by bearded thundar on Aug 29, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see him till next year
Hard to see him supplanting Ben and Jonas for the start. Both of those guys have kicked too much ass to have Monroe get the starting digs this season, let alone right off the bat.
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Aug 29, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
This season Monroe will be >Jonas
Sorry fellas. You’ll see.
The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !
Soon. I think we’ll start off with a Prince-Jarebko-Wallace front court and then move to Prince-Jerebko-Monroe or Prince-Monroe-Wallace, whichever works better. That’ll happen probably 15 games in, I think.
Why not Jerebko-Monroe-Wallace, with Prince directing the second unit (and finishing games) in a Lamar Odom point-forward role? Perhaps also Bynum as the starting PG.
that would never happen
Cousins isn’t our coach.
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And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 29, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be such a controversial happening
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 29, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my point was JJ would never start over Prince unless Q wanted to have an AI-esque situation. In theory it would work, but I have a hard time Tay would willing give up his long held spot for a sophomore player just because his play making ability would be better served on the second unit (which I assume would have Stuckey in that scenario)
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by bearded thundar on Aug 29, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dumars wouldn’t let that happen. He has far too much respect for Prince. Prince is his success story, too. Not to mention he’s trying to trade him and burying him on the bench in favor of a rookie and a sophomore really wouldn’t help his trade value.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Aug 29, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys want to start, good for 'em...
And that perhaps it makes sense to not change Tay’s role based on trade value. But If Dumars/Kuester end up (hypothetically) putting a less effective player on the floor for mostly sentimental reasons and the player in question can’t deal with the indignity of not getting to decide when and where he plays, then release the player and fire and/or shoot the GM and Coach.
Play the fuckin’ game, boys!
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by MrHappyMushroom on Aug 30, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
then release the player and fire and/or shoot the GM and Coach.
rec’d.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Aug 30, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I can rec that, too
And last year, that’s just what Kuester did. Q made his fair share of rookie mistakes last year, no doubt, but the dude had the balls to bench the new highly paid players and start Wallace and JJ — who undoubtedly deserved the jobs. Credit where it’s due.
He'll start in spots based on injury
At some point Ben is going to sit out a couple of games and that is when they will test Monroe out as a starter. I imagine CV is going to want to get some minutes at starter too, but it is very possible that he likes being the bench guy. Either way, in a No-Ben situation I see CV and JJ closing out games.
Hopefully I’m wrong and Monroe is the unanimous ROY after he puts on 30 pounds of muscle between the rookie photo shoot and the start of the season. BT is this possible?
it's very possible
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by bearded thundar on Aug 29, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
being serious
It depends on what you mean by 30 pounds. It’s very easy to gain 30 pounds in the span of a year, the question is how much of that is muscle and how much of it is fat.
Most people don’t realize that because legitimate muscle synthesis requires something like 1.8g of protein per pound of body weight, it’s very difficult to add muscle without eating over maintenance. Thus we have the “bulk” phase, as when bodybuilders want to add muscle, they just take in loads of food to bulk up, regardless of fat gain (this is because muscle is metabolic tissue, and so it gets much easier to shed the fat the stronger you are). in the end, if you add on 20 pounds after 1 year of decent lifting, if even 10 pounds of that is muscle you had really good gains.
Long story short, when the majority of people “add weight”, a fair amount of it is fat. There are two ideal ways to do this. The easiest way is to dirty bulk, or add something around 25 pounds in a 6-8 month bulk, with 10 pounds of that being fat. The extra muscle will then make it fairly easy to shed the excess off in a “cut” phase, time depending on how aesthetic you want to look. The other, harder but more aesthetically appealing way is to clean bulk, where a strict diet provides the necessary nutrients without a big calorie excess. If done properly, you can actually lose body fat while adding muscle (this is the route I’ve taken), but it’s an arduous process and gains are much slower.
To sum up your question, it all depends on how lean you want to remain while adding the weight. For an NBA player, I would imagine staying lean during the season is an important factor. So I would say, no, even 10 pounds of muscle would be a stretch during the playing season.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 29, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That’s pretty interesting, now I’m kind of impressed that Daye will come back to camp with 10+ pounds of muscle added and he probably did it the right way. That’s disappointing for Monroe, but I guess it makes sense. It took Dwight Howard a while to become a beast.
I assume Dwight is a good comparison as he was only a year older than Monroe his Rookie year.
Daye's gains were pretty good, but not out of line
It’s really to see initial gains. GE will tell you from his own experiences is that once you get started, the first results are unbelieveable.
The tough part is building on an already good frame, which is what makes Big Ben even more impressive. It’s easily twice as hard to increase your bench from 200 to 300 as it was from 100 to 200. The fact that he maxed at 460 shows just how hard he worked in the gym (keep in mind that’s a good number even for professional body builders).
In the end, physics determines the outcome of games. What that means is how the energy is translated and rotated is more important than pure force generated, and that is why KG can guard centers with his thin frame. Form will always be more important than pure strength; the ideal combination is to perfect your fundamentals have strong compound lifts (squat, dead lift, bench press, standing press, bent over row, etc).
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 29, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec
You get nowhere near the recs you deserve for these knowledgeable, interesting, and so clearly written pieces on nutrition and health. I get all excited every time I see there’s another one up there. Thank you, BT.
Wish I knew something of comparable interest, comparably well…)-:
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by MrHappyMushroom on Aug 30, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
your welcome
:)
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 30, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 31, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Assuming no injuries,
I think it is very unlikely Monroe will start at all this year. As has been pointed out, he will have to significantly outplay JJ and Ben. While that would be fantastic for the future of the franchise, I find it extremely hard to believe.
CV has also been left out of most of this discussion. I’ve pointed this out before, but the Pistons have just as big of a log jam at PF as they do at SG and SF. JJ, CV, and Max are all too good to be buried on the bench, and the most likely way to get Monroe minutes until he gets stronger and more experienced is going to be at PF.
Anyway, here are my predictions:
Starters on opening night = Stuckey/Rip/Tay/CV/Wallace
Significant bench players = Bynum/Gordon/T-Mac/JJ/Max
Garbage-time bench = Daye/Monroe
Inactive or D-league = Summers/White/Wilcox
At some point before the trade deadline, Tay will be traded. Who we get in return is anyones guess. But regardless, when Tay leaves JJ will start at SF, unless of course T-Mac is back to T-Mac. This will open up more time for Monroe at PF.
If the Pistons are in the playoff hunt, that might be the only move Jod makes. However, if T-Mac is playing well and Jod can get an asset for him, he will likely be moved which will open up more time for Daye.
I also predict CV will have a career year this year.
Greg Monroe
I think he starts early in the season playing both center and power forward. I think he definitely has the versatility to play both postions and make a big impact early on.
by Detroitsportsfan3 on Aug 30, 2010 12:06 PM EDT reply actions
Monroe's minutes
Assuming no injuries (which is very unlikely, but obviously unpredictable), I think Monroe will primarily be our backup center this year. I think we have to remember that he just turned 20 and that he has solid veterans ahead of him. My hope is that he gets 18-20 minutes backing up Ben this year as he adjusts to the NBA game. Size-wise he matches up well with many NBA centers, especially in our division. Also, look at Bogut’s development with Milwaukee. It took him awhile, but now he’s considered one of the best centers in the league. It may take Monroe some time to realize his full potential.
Centre or Powre Forward?
I think w/our current big rotation and how things went with another certain lotto big, that we’ll see GM getting real minutes early, and starting by mid season. Too much tied up in him to put him in the back of the rotation, and not enough depth in front of him to hold him back, either. If Ben’s healthy, GM’s not going to play ahead of him, but he will fit nicely in the starting lineup at pf.
don't forget about Maxiell
I would wager at this point in their careers, Maxiell is far better suited to play center than Monroe
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 30, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that he’s a better pro centre right now, but in terms of commitment and the future of the franchise, GM’s going to get some of his minutes, at both positions.
correct, but not necessarily this year
It’s like with Daye playing some minutes at SG; eventually he will become a hybrid 3/perimeter 4, but he’s just not ready for that kind of role yet.
Monroe should get some minutes at center, but not as a starter, you saw what Carracter did to him in the vegas league.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 30, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i’m thinking he’ll be starting at pf, not centre as long as ben is suiting up. He’ll get minutes there, but he’s not strong enough to handle pro centers yet. I can’t see him starting b4 jj, and i don’t see him getting in the rotation until Prince isn’t starting, either, which i think will be sometime this season pending a trade. Don’t like you’re suggestion that daye will be a “hybrid3/perimeter 4”, though. I’d say 3/2 guard. He’ll never be able to body up a pf in the L.
by C$ on Aug 30, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
why not ahead of JJ?
In the end it’s net production that counts, not just defense or hustle. If while Monroe starts the team creates 5 more points per 100 possessions, but gives up 2.5 points per 100 possessions, that’s still a net increase of 2.5.
The only guy who deserves a guaranteed starting position is Big Ben, and that’s self explanatory. I don’t think that anyone on this team is just that much better than their counterparts, which includes Stuckey vs Will and Gordon vs Rip. If Monroe ends up being more productive than JJ overall, I see no reason for him not to start.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 30, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Seeing Jerebko get his burn makes me optimistic about Monroe's chances.
Daye however, doesn’t play all that much and was last year’s high pick.
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even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
I don't think that's a fair judgement
We knew ahead of time that Daye would be a project, and likely would not see any major playing time until at least his sophomore year. The fact that we got Gordon and T-Mac certainly does not help his cause either. I don’t think it’s because of ability that Daye isn’t getting minutes, but more because last year he just wasn’t strong enough and this year he’s going to have to fight through a long rotation to get his share
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not starting over Ben at Center.
And I doubt he beats out Chiseled Charlie or even Jerebko at PF this season.
This^
My thought is also that this all depends on how quickly/if TP gets traded and JJ can get his minutes at SF and not PF.
I know they want Monroe to be a C, but after he gets abused there and gets in foul trouble too often, I suspect they are going to be creative and try and get him time at PF as well.
If the Pistons have to continue to try and get JJ minutes at PF because of the SF logjam, then Monroe may not start for a while.
by Big Z in Orlando on Aug 30, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
rec
for saying big ball(ed) lineup
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And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 30, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m in the minority, but I’ve posted this before: I think Monroe should start at PF alongside Ben Wallace. He was the #7 pick and could have gone higher, so I think we should just throw him in the fire from the get-go and let him do his thing. Although I love Jerebko, I think he’s a better fit at SF than PF, so I’d bring him and CV off the bench and then ride with the hot hands after that.
I'm with you MFGE
Stuckey/Gordon/Jerebko/Monroe/Wallace. If that trial by fire should fail, a lottery pick shall be our grail.
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I think you have to put some confidence in the young fella, though. Stick him out there and show everybody that you think he can play and deserves to be there. Maybe limit his minutes, but I think starting would be a big boost to his ego and comfort level. I hope that either Rip or Tay can be moved for the sake of roster balance, but I think Monroe and Big Ben might be a nice tandem.
by garrettelliott on Aug 30, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd be lying if I said I haven't visited DraftExpress once a week this summer
I feel like a shamed addict.
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If that is our lineup once the season starts
I’d be incredibly happy.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Monroe just makes the situation more of a clusterfuck
Now what are we going to do with Charlie Villaneuva? Maybe his d will take huge strides and we can start him along with Monroe. That would be very nice, but doubtful.
Originally I was more excited about Chiseled Charlie than I was Ben Gordon; now that Monroe has been drafted, I’m not so sure.
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 30, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you
But if we can find 28 minutes per game for Charlie off the bench, he can be nasty. Hell, that’s pretty much what he was doing in Milwaukee before we signed him. If he can do that again, his signing won’t be looked back on in an ugly way.
Monroe and Wallace fit well together. And while Maxiell isn’t a center by any stretch, he and Villanueva are not a horrible compliment (if you aren’t looking at the defensive end, anyway).
Funny enough, our second most productive lineup last season featured Maxiell at the 5 and Jerebko at the 4, winning 8 games and losing 4 according to 82games.com. Shit, I just further complicated the discussion of clusterfuck, didn’t I…
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why do we need to give him 28 minutes off the bench?
He’s nasty enough just by taking his shirt off
/manboobs ftw
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 31, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d be incredibly pissed if Monroe jettisons JJ from the starting lineup before proving himself in several NBA games (not practices). I’m all about playing Monroe and Daye this season consistently, but I’m not about handing either of them starting jobs unless they consistently outplay whomever’s ahead of them in the rotation in games.
ideally Price is traded before the season starts
Then we slide JJ over to the 3 and allow Monroe to start, or perhaps if CV has earned it he would get the position
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 31, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Monroe is a center
In my humble opinion, Monroe is going to mostly play center. I don’t see him being agile enough to guard CV or JJ away from the post, but I guess we’ll see. Matchups are the key, and he doesn’t impress me as being a stretch 4. If he gets most of the backup center minutes his rookie year and shows improvement that should be sufficient. I’d rather see him development into the center we need then become another 4 so we’re still left needing a big in the middle. Dreaming of getting Gasol next year is not very realistic.
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