JJ in Sweden *updated*
by PeteFalco on Aug 4, 2010 3:35 AM EDT
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PrintHomecoming for Jonas Jerebko last night when Sweden played Estonia in the city of Borås, right where Jonas' journey to the NBA started, playing with M7 a few years back. Also coverage of the other games, updated whenever there is something to report.
Aug. 3: Sweden vs. Estonia 84-66
Jonas had a pretty solid night, scoring 20 points, eight rebounds (one offensive), four assists, two steals, two fouls and three turnovers, playing just over 29 minutes.
Sweden got off to a very weak start giving Estonia a 10-0 advantage immediately. After an early time out Sweden came out much stronger and eventually won the game 84-66.
Jerebko started off a bit nervous and said himself that he felt a bit rusty, but as the game went on, Jonas started playing with more confidence and took the leading role expected of him. The team as a whole played basketball at a level they haven't been close to for ages. When I asked a reporter who has been following the national team for several years what part Jerebko had in the transformation he said "Jonas is never gonna be the guy who scores 40 points in a game, but he makes his teammates better, by leading by example, creating space for others and being a pure spark of energy in tough situations"
Aug. 4: Sweden vs. Estonia 74-68
Apparently there was another game against Estonia that I did not know about. This time Sweden took the lead early on and had 25-5 after the first quarter thinks looked pretty safe.. Not. In haftime the score was 39-39. In the end it was willpower that sealed the deal and Sweden won 74-68.
Haven't found any box score from the game, Jonas had 18 points however.
Aug. 8: Sweden vs. Belarus 75-66
Once again Jerebko had a solid night. Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch the game myself but there is a summary and links in the commetary section. Enjoy.
Aug. 11: Romania vs. Sweden 70-54
Romania was better than Sweden in all aspect of the game and won comfortably. Of Sweden's 54 points, Jonas Jerebko had 19. He also managed 14 rebounds, six of them offensive. So Jonas had a pretty huge night at least compared to the rest of the team, but it still wasn't enough.
Aug. 17: Sweden vs. Albania 111-64
Sweden pulverized Albania and despite reports that Jonas has been feeling less than great the last few days due to illness, he still went out on the field and had a big night. Playing 28 minutes, he went 9/13 from inside the arc and also had one three pointer (out of three atempts) and 3/3 free throws, scoring a total of 24 points. 14 rebounds, 4 of them offensive. As if that was not enough, he also had 7 assists and only one turnover. No blocks or steals this time around. Also two fouls to complete the box score line.
Aug. 21: Azerbaijan vs. Sweden 79-101
From fiba.com:
"...the biggest clash in Division B arguably took place in Baku where Azerbaijan had their unbeaten record smashed in spectacular style by visiting Sweden who came out on top 101-73 after a blistering final quarter and another phenomenal performance by Jonas Jerebko.
With the scores tied 41-41 at the half, Sweden edged themselves into a handy 7 point lead at the end of the third period and then exploded with 38 points during the last quarter to leave the hosts stunned. Jerebko claimed 35 points and 10 rebounds while Anton Saks added a valuable 20 points for the winning team."
Apparently, when Jerebko was substituted with one minute remaining he got standing ovations from the Azerbaijani spectators, so that has to have been one mean game.
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Art the Fart will dominate all things Swedish.
Jonas isn’t Swedish though, because he IS Sweden.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
His Swedeness
You might anger Art the Fart Parcheese with that new nickname, but not even Our man from Minsk could put the hurt into Jonas Jerebko. Prepare to be sonned, Art
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
Jonas Dominating European Basketball
Here is a clip I got on pistonsforum.com
http://tv.expressen.se/Sport/1.2090032/vi-ar-battre-an-siffrorna-visar
I wish I knew enough swedish to find out more about how he was doing.
22 point 11 rebounds
and 4 assists for Jonas. You will find the stats here: http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.pageID_sR89AqEzHncH95BN6SUli3.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2011.roundID_7525.teamID_367.html
what position was he playing?
If he’s getting 11 boards at the 3, that’s really impressive. And even if he’s doing it at the 4, that’s still good progress – especially since he lead his team in assists
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 8, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Jonas Jerebko
As good as Dirk Nowitzki or better?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
lets slow down buddy
I understand that 75% of the stuff said about Jonas are just jokes, but seriously, the guy is just a role player on an NBA team right now. He averaged 10 points and 6 boards, nothing special; he hustles his ass off and so respect is given where respect is due. But seriously, I’d be shocked if Jonas develops into anything better than the third or fourth option on a championship team. I would argue that he’s become a better defender than Tay because of his size advantage, but even Tay is a considerably more skilled player at this point.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 9, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
it's just getting a bit too far
Joking about his looks etc are one thing, but people tend to get carried away with his playing ability
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 9, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s just getting a bit too far
Some might say the same thing about your relentless nitpicking.
by Colin M on Aug 9, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
better to be a careful reader
Than ignorant
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 9, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets all agree now
Jonas Jerebko is that fan favorite who just doesn’t disappoint. We don’t expect the spectacular from him… we just love what he does… and how he does it. Just like how I love Maxiell… he’s just a great backup that I’ll hate to see leave… I understand it may happen, but I’d love to always have him around when the Pistons are winning or losing. Them some Man Dunks! And I love ’em!
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
you just recently joined here
so you haven’t seen the full extent of his adoration. As mentioned before, it’s obvious 80% of it are purely jokes, but still, people talk about JJ as if he’s an upcoming star, and from his last season, he looks to be a top end role player, but still just that.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 9, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
not really
P90x doesn’t add muscle mass, it’s only a way to get cut/shredded. Only true body building will get you to that level, which requires heavy lifting and low repetitions, where as P90x is the opposite (low weights, high reps). Google Starting Strength, it’s a quality book with a solid routine for those looking to get stronger + bigger.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
ok. I accept that. But I hope no one currently expects the spectacular from Jonas…. Just the downright Nasty!
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
I expect a lot from Jonas
But by a lot I mean I think Jonas will have a career trajectory that’s similar to Tay’s has been. Tay is a quality role player who brings important things to the table but is also limited in significant ways. I think the same about Jonas. Hard worker, improving defender, improving ball handler, and improving shooter. I could see him being a 12-14 and 7-9 guy in a couple years. Not bad value out of a 2nd rounder.
That I can see
But that’s still in the realm of top end role player, guy who brings a lot to the table without being a “star.” I think he still has a bit of catching up to Tay in the skill department, but he’s more versatile due to his size + athleticism and should no doubt be a better rebounder. I wouldn’t be surprised if he hits the 10 board/game mark a few times in his career (though I don’t think he’ll do it year in and year out).
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure why you feel JJ is so far behind Tay in the skill department...
His rookie stats certainly shouldn’t reflect that. Here is the comparison between JJ’s rookie season and Tay’s 2nd season. I went with his 2nd season because Tay had a similar number of starts to JJ.
- JJ sported a comparable yet slightly higher PER
- JJ had a significantly bettter True shooting %
- JJ had a better e FG%
- JJ had a higher Offensive Rating
- JJ had more steals per game
- JJ had more rebounds per game
- JJ had more than twice as many Offensive Rebounds than Tay
- Tay was a significantly better defender
- Tay was a better distributor
- Tay was a better 3 PT shooter % wise
- Tay was a better free throw shooter % wise
With that in mind, I actually think JJ is pretty much right in line as far as skills and development given he played a lot of his minutes at PF with a worse PG compared to who Tay had to set him up. The key areas that JJ needs to focus on of which he’s shown promise in all areas would be defense, 3PT% and FT%. I’d argue that he doesn’t need to look to be a distributor since he’ll likely not be running the point forward like Tay often would.
But like everyone has said, superstar he is likely not to be.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
effectiveness doesn't equal skill
You can be an extremely effective player without much skill, there are plenty of very good NBA players that have gotten by with pure athleticism and smarts (such as Ben Wallace, though you could argue that shotblocking and rebounding at his level are keen skills).
By skill I mean finesse abilities, and while JJ may be a more effective player at the same points in their career, Tay still was a better ball handler, distributor, had was overall more versatile across the perimeter. The advantage JJ has is on the other side, meaning the front court, but I do think he has plenty of room to grow. However, I would be shocked if he turns out to be anything more than a glorified Verajao (which would still be an incredibly useful player, just not a star).
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You're just narrowing your definition though
You can’t just blindly equate skill to finesse abilities because finesse abilities are only one facet of a player’s overall skill.
The following are actually skills even if you choose to ignore them (and ones that Jerebko was better at in his rookie season than Tay was in his 2nd season):
- Playing efficiently and effectively (implies a higher level of intelligence when it comes to what your team needs from you and when)
- Offensive Rebounding
- Shooting %
I even think an argument can be made that Varejao is especially skillful at impacting a game with scrappy play and limitless hustle. If one were to ask, “What is Varejao’s ‘skillset’?” this would be one of the first things that comes to mind.
So is he as good of a ball handler as Tay? No, of course not. Tay was playing point forward at Kentucky and has also done the same for the Pistons.
But all this says is that their skillsets are not a 1:1 comparison. In your case, you’re choosing to ignore all other skillsets and only acknowledge “finesse skills”.
In my case, I acknowledge that both have certain skillsets and that ultimately, Jerebko’s current skillset in my opinion, is on par with Tayshaun’s own unique skillset when comparing the statistical periods in question.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
that just happens to be how I was defining it
Semantics are everything in the end, and you do have a valid point. I’m just saying that at the very least, from a finesse standpoint, Tay is ahead of JJ. I just happen to coincidentally define skill as finesse, which could just be me, or it could be everyone but you. But regardless of who thinks of it that way, I was clear in that I was defining it as such.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and I'm not disagreeing with you being clear
In fact I don’t think we’re really disagreeing at all. We have a difference of opinion in how it is defined. I can understand your definition and I think you can (I don’t want to speak for you on it) understand mine.
And ultimately, I completely agree with you that JJ has a long ways to go in the finesse department. He may be as long and stroky as Tay but he’s not quite as smooth as him just yet and probably never will be.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 11, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
All I know is Jonas makes me excel in the stroky department if you know what I mean.
by brgulker on Aug 11, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Every team needs a Jonas. And I’m not being sarcastic by saying every team needs a dream boat. He really does bring a lot of intangibles to the team, kind of like Amir was supposed to, but without the fouls (sometimes) and actual offense. Lots of teams would love to have a sparkplug like him to come off the bench who can play a few positions. If he keeps improving his jumper, he’ll have a solid career.
by garrettelliott on Aug 10, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
and I completely agree with that
I’m just getting tired of all the talk of him being a star – which he is not by any means. I would love to have him and Verajao harassing other teams together; talk about the second coming of Laimbeer and Mahorn (not offensively of course)
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
My take is that any DBB’er who says Jonas will be a star is speaking in 100% hyperbole. But that’s just my take.
he's not a star, let's get over that
he’s a superstar.
witty signature
by Mike Payne on Aug 10, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
man he's already a star. Act like you know!
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
Nice!
I have an old Grant Hill highlight video to that song that they showed at halftime of a Pistons game way back in 96 or 97. I wish I knew how to make my VHS stuff go on teh interwebz.
by garrettelliott on Aug 10, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s possible to get carried away with Jerebko’s good looks, err, playing ability!
by brgulker on Aug 9, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I say
Worst case scenario: Dirk
Celing: Deity
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
by Kriz on Aug 9, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Thats a statement I can get behind
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
While my post was a total joke based on comparing two tall blonde European players
of which one has gone on to be one of the best frontcourt scorers in the league, if you go back and look at Dirk’s rookie season, people could have said the EXACT same thing that you’re saying about Jerebko right now.
While its not totally fair to compare a 22 year old Jerebko to a 20 year old Nowtizki, it also isn’t fair to compare a 22 year old Jerebko to a 22 year old Nowitzki as Dirk had had 2 seasons under his belt by the time he was 22. Here’s their stat comparison though:
Do I really think JJ is the next Dirk or will come anywhere near what Dirk has become? No. But I also don’t think it should be completely disregarded either. Dirk had some wonderful opportunities in Dallas with Nash as his PG and the only other major scoring threat being MIchael Finely. JJ has Stuckey and 4-5 other guys who one would argue should be higher up in the scoring options.
So like I said, the post was a joke, but if there is any player that I’m willing to drink a little extra kool-aid for on this Pistons roster, it’d be Jonas.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
And yeah I realize that 98-99 was apparently a shortened season.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Jonas may only be the third or fourth option for a championship team, but he’ll always be the first option of my heart. :)
by garrettelliott on Aug 9, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/165203/
skip to ~8:20
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 9, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Belarus.
Aug 8: Sweden beat Belarus 75-66.
Jerebko made 22 point 11 rebounds. With that he was the best player on the court.
Sweden was early in the second half sweden was up 19 points. But when Jerebko hade to leave the court for a quick break Swedens lead was down to just 6 points. The victory was secured by a soild defense and good defensive rebounds.
A few qoutes translated from swedish to english:
“It’s not as big guys under the basket. You don’t have to face Shaq and Amar’e, so of course it is a bit easier. But it’s fun here too. "
“I felt hot today. Next time someone else steps forward”
Link to some highlights (on the frontpage flash-thingy)
http://www.viasatsport.se/
Translation
http://tv.expressen.se/Sport/1.2090032/vi-ar-battre-an-siffrorna-visar
Jo: We won 9 points. You do what you are supossed to. You do your 20 something points you take your 10 rebounds. It was a fighting game. But you were up 19 points, twice, you should have closed the game.
JJ: We were better then the numbers say. It was the first game and we felt some nerves. We let them have som easy points in the end. But still we took 9 points.
Jo: Do you really have nerves? You are used to fight against Carmelo Anthony and now you face Korchuk (not sure about the name) from Belarus.
JJ: It’s a bit diffrent. This is also basketball. But it’s really fun to play for Sweden.
Jo: Was it hard to play against Belarus?
JJ: Yes it was a bit hard. They are big. Make it tight in the 3 second area. A diffrent kind of basketball.
Jo: Point of the game, look at this. It is when you do this. First once behind your back and one more time. And finish with a dunk.
JJ: Yeah it was nice. I can dribble the ball a little at least.
pretty bad translation but you will have to make do.
by axelswed on Aug 8, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
19/14 with 6 offensive is a meaty fucking game
Even if they got destroyed as a team.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Those numbers sound like a small forward for sure.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
3 steals and 1 Block too, and he basically played the whole game. He crashes the boards like a maniac, if he is good enough to get double digit Rebounds in the NBA, he might as well play power forward.
Dude is gonna come into this season with guns fucking blazin'
Cannnnn’t wait.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
where are you finding the box scores for these games?
I keep searching “Jonas Jerebko” and news to see what comes up but get nothing but draftexpress, wiki, etc.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
OMG! OMG IT HAS A JONAS PHOTO GALLERY!!!
There are no words to even begin to cover the awesomeness of that picture.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
Dennis Rodman is arguably the best rebounder of all time
And he spent a lot of his career at SF. Just because someone’s a good rebounder doesn’t mean they are best suited to play the 4.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 11, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
different roles
European PF isn’t quite the same position as NBA PF. A rebound is a rebound regardless of where it comes from, but offensively there is still a fairly big difference (hence it’s much harder to guard legit NBA 4s due to their size+strength).
That’s why Bargnani has actually spent a fair amount of time at the 3, even though he’s a legit 7 footer; and I think that JJ has the tools to be a better 3 than a stretch 4 (unless if he continues to bulk up and develops that right hook he’s flashed).
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 11, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Half time Sweden vs Albania
Jonas has 22 points and 7 rebounds with 20 minutes to go. I’m following the game on Live stats here: http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.roundID_7525.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.html
Click on LIVE! Group B.
Game over
Sweden won with 111 to 64. Jonas had 24 points, 14 rebounds and 7 assists. He played just short of 28 minutes.
I SAY GOSH DARN JONAS!
What a beautiful beautiful statline…is a box score available?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Use this link
http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.roundID_7525.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.html
Click on the result of the game you want the box score for (or LIVE!)
Looks like he decided to go into Point Forward mode during the 2nd half
I would give anything to see Jerebko run point-forward for the Pistons next season…
- Jerebko
- Daye
- Prince
- Maxiell
- Monroe
Long, Smooth, Strokes….BABY EATEN.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
At this point he is just daring Kuester not to start him
“Go ahead ‘Q’, it’s your credibility on the line. You know Joe D likes firing coaches, and you know I chew through opposing forwards like meatballs with lingden berry sauce.”
hahaha she'll have ze lingden berry pancakes...
or I’LL CUT OFF YOUR JOHNSON!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Aug 19, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
JJ Update from sweden against Azerbadjan
JJ scored a team high 35 points and grabbed 10 rebounds in Swedens 101-79 win over Azerbadjan this saturday. That’s Jonas fourth double-double in four games.
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