Mike Ilitch Wants To Purchase Pistons And Move Them To Detroit
by Packey on Aug 9, 2010 11:31 AM EDT
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Sports and pizza boss Michael Ilitch said today he wants to buy the Detroit Pistons basketball team and move them to a new arena in downtown Detroit.
From Ilitch himself (via MLIVE):
"Marian and I grew up here, we raised our family here and we built our businesses here. Detroit is our home. When I read in the paper there was the chance that this great sports town could lose one of its professional sports franchises, I just didn't see how we could let that happen. The Pistons, just like the Red Wings, Tigers and the Lions, have a rich and storied tradition in this community and they've brought pride to fans and our community. You all know I love sports – all sports, from amateur sports to the various pro sports we've had the privilege to be involved with, and like a lot of others I'm sure, I really want to see the Pistons remain the Detroit Pistons." "We talked about it internally and when you take our 33 years of experience in professional sports, our commitment to this community, our passion for winning and pursuing championships, and you couple that with the opportunity to have a local, engaged owner for the Pistons, we decided to take a run at it. We believe we could bring a lot to the table that could be tremendously positive for the Pistons franchise, the NBA, and the fans of this community. So, today, we formally notified the Detroit Pistons that we have interest in purchasing the team. This is a required first-step and we look forward to the opportunity to move forward in the process."
UPDATE (via Detroit Free Press):
"No one should get too excited just yet, because this is the first step in what could be a long process," the Ilitch statement read. "There is a lot of due diligence to take place, and who even knows if the Pistons would accept any potential future offer. But I can tell you that we are serious about this, we’ll be aggressive in the process, and we’re going to take a real hard run at it because it makes sense for our organization." The statement added, "Whether or not we end up buying this Piston team, we remain focused on a new arena in the city of Detroit, and that will serve as a great catalyst for future economic development in the city."
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yippie-kai-yay motherfuckas!
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Aug 9, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions
Anybody think this is why they signed T-Mac
There was some discussion that Illitch had a hard-on for aging superstars on the Tigers, so does anybody see any correlation?
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 9, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
Wings too. But with the Wings, they manage to come together and win.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Aug 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
True. But Damon is an aging hall of famer, too. Not sure about the others (not real big on baseball), but he applies
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Aug 9, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Without getting into a huge debate about it
I’m not sure if Damon is HOF material. I don’t know how he compares to current HOF’ers, but he’s definitely not a first-ballot player. Guys that the Red Wings have signed (Hull, Larionov, Robitalle, Modano, etc.) rank among the greatest of all-time.
Again, I don’t watch much baseball. I just know Damon has been one of the few I’ve enjoyed watching play for years and years and years now. His heads up, double steal in the World Series last year was a classic moment. Either way, it seems a lot of people (judging by comments on blogs and the Free Press and the like) seem to think he’ll get into the hall of fame. Even an SI writer does.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Aug 9, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I stand corrected then
On a more related topic, I wonder whether this would shrink the Tigers’ payroll at all.
Payroll
Maybe now we know the plan for the $65 million that’s coming off the books.
Damon will definitely make the HOF
Jeter is regarded as one of the best players of all time, and Damon is only slightly behind him in just about every category, and I believe ahead in RBIs. Granted he’s also a bit older and has played longer, but he’s still a lock to make the HOF eventually
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 9, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I can actually
I said it quite a few times before, Illitch fancies himself towards superstars, and tends to get many of them on the decline (as that is the only time they are willing to come to Detroit)
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 9, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No more rabbit turds in the chocolate chip cookies?
Mouse tail fries?
Favre, even your agent has had enough. The drunken grillmaster, Buzz Cook, is getting too old for this.
This is great news. Now Las Vegas Pistons, hopefully, and a state of the art arena in Detroit for the Pistons and Wings to share. Sounds damn good to me.
Staples Center 2?
Favre, even your agent has had enough. The drunken grillmaster, Buzz Cook, is getting too old for this.
Most cities are combining basketball and hockey arenas now
Boston, NY, DC, and Chicago all use the same arena for both sports.
Makes sense... more dollars too!
Favre, even your agent has had enough. The drunken grillmaster, Buzz Cook, is getting too old for this.
Davidson owned 3 teams (and won a championship with each in the course of a year) in 2 of the 4 in 2 cities. That count for anything?
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Aug 9, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
WNBA teams count for .5, lol.
Favre, even your agent has had enough. The drunken grillmaster, Buzz Cook, is getting too old for this.
He also owned the Vipers (who also won multiple championships for him) of the IHL and the Fury of the IFL.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Aug 9, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
MR. D was the man
Vipers<Shock?
Favre, even your agent has had enough. The drunken grillmaster, Buzz Cook, is getting too old for this.
confirming what we probably all already assumed
August 9, Detroit Free Press: The Ilitch bid is for the entire Palace Sports & Entertainment organization, not just for the basketball team itself. If successful, that means that the Ilitches would also own the Palace of Auburn Hills arena, the DTE Energy Music Theatre, and other aspects of the Palace network.
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97.1 said Illitch would buy them purely because of a joint arena and DTE energy music theatre
I have no clue what he plans to do with the Palace, as it still is a very good venue, but the DTE building is worth quite a bit of money and a reason on its own to buy the Pistons
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 9, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
by Skylar on Aug 9, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Cool Beans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Favre, even your agent has had enough. The drunken grillmaster, Buzz Cook, is getting too old for this.
Terrific
I know a lot of people have reservations about the the Illitch family owning all 3 of the Wings, Tigers, and Pistons, but it’s hard to look at this as anything other than a win all around. We spent a significant amount of time collectively wringing our hands about the possibility of losing the Pistons. Anything that guarantees them to not only stay in town, but move back to downtown is tremendous. PLUS, having the Wings and Pistons sharing an arena will prevent any future situations like we faced in 08 when the Wings played a home Finals game at the same time the Pistons played an ECF home game. Not like we’re at all close to having that situation repeat or anything.
The only team possibly in trouble is the Tigers
With Illitch’s money being split three ways (assuming he buys the Pistons), will that shrink the amount he’s willing to spend on the Tigers? I agree though, this is nothing but a good thing for the Pistons.
DD may have actually develop a farm system through the draft...
OH NO! WHAT WILL WE DO WITH SOMETHING BESIDES PITCHING PROSPECTS!
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We have nothing to worry about as far as money goes.
Baseball Payrolls Are WAYYYYY more than Basketball Payrolls
The amount of money it costs to be awesome at basketball is so much less than baseball. It’s really a difference of one player on a max contract that actually performs, not a lot of waste in the rest of your roster, and you draft decently. Why wouldn’t he want to pay the money to be awesome?
I'm pretty sure he's grumbling about the Tigers
I don’t see there being a big difference in their payroll, other than the next couple years as he builds his bank account back up.
Isn't
The money coming off the payroll alone this year for the tigers almost as much as a payroll for a basketball team?
It is alot.
by Taiwanese Tora on Aug 9, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are sooooo goooood
Far better than their pizza, but they’re so damn fattening. If I didn’t care so much about my abs I’d buy them every day.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
clarification...
I’m grumbling about baseball (as rob said) and think this transaction proves to be a good thing for the Tigers.
I’ll just blockquote my comment from BYB here.
a move like this probably removes from the Tigers payroll. That reduces our ability to sign top tier free agents and resign current players. However, payroll changes impact the line of thinking of management. Drafting smart will have an increased priority.
Immediately this is bad because currently we have a very bad minor league system. Future wise it could be very good because prospects do have their uses.
As long as the payroll doesn’t get severely reduced I’d say that this might be positive.
Now that’s about the impact on the Tigers. For the Pistons this is probably good too because Illitch likes to win and has never been known for holding back on payroll and in general has had pretty good GM’s with him franchises to run them successfully. So good move for the Pistons as well.
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With DTE Engery Music Theater being the most attended concert venue in the country
and the added diversification that Palace Sports & Entertainment would bring Illitch, I’d think that if anything it will allow Illitch to spend even more on the Tigers in the long run.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
That is true
Still, I wouldn’t mind the “spending smarter” theory that Poopz illustrated above. They need to develop their minor league talent better.
The lights are much brighter there, you can forget all your troubles.....
And go Downtown!
Hell yes!
Favre, even your agent has had enough. The drunken grillmaster, Buzz Cook, is getting too old for this.
Open for business...
As long as now other heavily monied bidders come in, I’m expecting an onslaught of activity and a lot of player turnover once this thing starts moving down the line.
No way Joe D doesn’t know this is happening, I bet he is just lining up a series of moves so quick it’ll look like Anderson Silva taking out Chael Sonnen after getting the beaten and bloodied until all but the last minute of the last round of UFC this weekend.
I’m still not too excited though… Let’s hope some vegas playboy doesn’t scramble together with a $500 mil counter proposal.
Don't remind me...
I don’t hate Silva perse, I actually do recognize he’s a great fighter… but I felt so bad for Sonnen. He deserved that win. Great triangle by Silva, but that sucked big time for Sonnen who was a minute away from shocking the world, oh and becoming champion. It was the first time in UFC history that a champion lost the first four rounds and went on to remain champion. Craziness.
Sonnen's spent too much time running his mouth...
Sonnen jinxed himself by being way too cocky ahead of time. Dude was talking an unregular amount of smack from what I saw on the pay-per-view channels hype footage (which I had to sit through for an hour at the bar i watched it at. Painful.) Too his credit, he was relentless, and he “brought the fight” for all but the very end. I think he got thrown off by Silva’s resilience and started getting sloppy. Pride comes before the fall.
Not Exactly
Sonnen played to his rep..great on offense, but once you get him locked up, it’s over. Zero submission defense whatsoever. It just took longer than expected.
by V. on Aug 9, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
At least Silva got beaten up a little bit.
by garrettelliott on Aug 9, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Those Guys Already Have A Team, You Forget So Soon
Joe Maloof is kind of my idol…wonder why?
by V. on Aug 9, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Stern doesn't want a team in Vegas.
When money talks we’ll see if it matters. Ilitch to the rescue!!!!!!!!!!!!
Favre, even your agent has had enough. The drunken grillmaster, Buzz Cook, is getting too old for this.
agreed about stern not wanting a team in vegas
by Roll The Dyess on Aug 9, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently No One Remembers What Happened At The Vegas All Star Game
People taking cabs from Mirage to Caesars because they were too afraid to walk the 200 yds or so.
Stern will say all the right things, but it’s sooo not happening. He knows what’s up.
There’s been a deal in the works for some time now to take the back lot of Bally’s and make a sports arena/convention center out of it. This is Plan B for Harrahs after the Financial Crisis killed Plan A, which was to blow up the Barbary Coast (nee Bill’s) and the front of Bally’s and make a giant Horseshoe out of it.
by V. on Aug 9, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently so.
I forgot all about that, but best believe Stern didn’t.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
Ilitch wants to buy Pistons
My main concern is can Ilitch handle owning three teams, at times he has struggled to own the two he already has. Needless to say at least this draws interest and if nothing else more interested buyers as well. It would be hard to not sell the team to Ilitch as long as he isn’t low balling them. Hopefully this isn’t the plan for the $65 million coming off the Tigers payroll, but $7 Hot-N-Ready pizza’s seems likely if he buys the Pistons http://puremichigansports.com/2010/08/09/detroit-tigersred-wings-owner-mike-ilitch-officially-expresses-interest-in-buying-the-detroit-pistons/
Ok everyone buy more Pizzas!!!!!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Aug 9, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
This is awesome.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
lol. Maybe Little Ceasars needs to expand in Sweden.
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by JumpingBlob on Aug 9, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I checked it
Sweden has yet to embrace Little Ceasars Pizza. What do you think Jonas would look like as a pizza delivery boy?
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Free Hot'N Ready for every 10 assist game by Greg Monroe!!
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
As much as I'm a supporter of everything needing to be in Detroit...
and NOT in Oakland County.
What the hell are they going to do with the Palace? It’s such a great venue it would be a shame to see it go to waste just like the Silverdome and with the Pistons leaving that venue will be empty like no one’s business.
And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue
If the Red Wings get a new stadium, that doesn’t mean the Pistons HAVE to move down there. If Olympia ent. winds up paying however may million for the whole of Palace sports and ent. i tihnk they will really think about the money they will waste by not letting the pistons stay out there after the Red Wings move downtown.
And the drive..
shouldn’t be a pain in the ass since you are coming from the south…
I can already imagine the traffic going down 75 now…Pistons and Wings on alternate days…then if it’s a Sunday you have to factor in the Lions too. flm.
And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue
Bitchin’ about the traffic already… lol!
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
it a five minute drive for me
i might actually go to the games now, especially since we are terrible and tix will be cheap. time to order up my tmac pack and get a free small pizza.
Between the 41 regular season home games...
…and the 8 home playoff games they’ll have on their way to the title, that’s some good money coming into the city.
I think I’ve come up with a counter-proposal that’s so crazy, it just might work. Ready? It goes like this:
Marry Karen Davidson’s daughter, Elizabeth Reaser, and convince mother-in-law to keep the team in the family by giving it to you. Then we have someone awesome in charge and making the right moves and we win a championship or three. Who wants to volunteer to marry her? MFMP? Your fiancee might disagree, but it’s for the good of the team!
updating from my iphone
i’m already on my way to her house with a phat ring, you’d better beat me there. My only promise is i’m keeping jerebko.
by Roll The Dyess on Aug 9, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Hell No
I just saw a movie of hers last week and she was a bisexual dating the girlfriend and the boyfriend at the same time…. I’m all over this one… screw you guys!
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I vote Packey
I mean, it’s not like he just got married or anything.
by Rob Rogacki on Aug 9, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No way I'm leaving my gig of living broke and engaging in failed romance after failed romance
find somebody else man
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
I can get the job done.
Because I'm the Lynch... and I'm awwwesome!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Aug 9, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well shit.
I’m happy about the potential end of the owner issue.
But honestly, I loved the fact that the Pistons played in Auburn Hills. Not only was it closer for me, but it’s also a lot nicer area and it’s right by Great Lakes Crossing (which gives me something to do before games).
Because I'm the Lynch... and I'm awwwesome!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Aug 9, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
Downtown is cool though.
corktown’s close, plus nobody can say “Auburn Hills Pistons” anymore and be correct.
Growing up in the area and spending lots of time downtown as a shortie and now adult, I like the move.
Sorry your commute got longer.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
I just really, really don't like downtown Detroit.
Really.
Because I'm the Lynch... and I'm awwwesome!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Aug 9, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not the only one.
Lots of people avoid it. Some of them don’t even give it the chance, and others like you are likely just alienated by the languishing buildings, lack of population, and small amount of homeless. Just a guess though.
Like the team itself, I’m optimistic that Detroit can evolve and improve from what it is now, to something better in the future.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
The problem is that I don't see Detroit ever recovering.
Mainly because it was a city literally built on the Auto Industry. What’s unemployment now? Somewhere around 30%? It’s hard to see a city being capable of pulling back from that.
I understand that you have an attachment to your city and I’m not going to stop you from being optimistic.
Because I'm the Lynch... and I'm awwwesome!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Aug 9, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It's been so severly debilitated that improvement isn't difficult as I see it.
At its’ height it was one of America’s top cities. I’m not expecting that to ever happen again. I just think improvement is imminent. Guys like Illitch are to be commended for such loyalty.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
I thought I heard that the mayor and council were making plans to focus on improving and renovating the downtown areas. Hope that’s true and they can get it done. Lure in the small businesses and try and get the machine dancing again.
I for one would like to ask for a Northern Bourban Street to be designed within an appropriate distance somewhere.
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
Batshit Dan Gilbert has a posse
Champion of both Detroit, MI and Cleveland, OH. What a great guy.
There’s hope yet.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
sweetness
Dan Gilbert is a bit nuts… but it sounds good!
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
i concur with the northern bourbon street idea.
i’ve drawn up plans to make a red light district along the river front where all the casino’s, strip clubs, weed dispensaries and whore houses will be placed. it will be detroits red light district, its tentatively called “Edge City”
I Approve..As Long As...
Jessica Albe, Devon Aoki and Rosario Dawson will be, ummm, working there.
by V. on Aug 9, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Detroit will never become what it was
I think the first step of Detroit becoming ‘fixed’ is realizing that is never going to be what it was. So many people in the city are waiting for handouts, waiting for new jobs, politicians waiting for increased gov’t revenue so they can go back to business as usual. Once people get over the fact that we aren’t going to be chicago, at least not soon, things will get better. It is still a cool location, the infrastructure is there to make whatever building you want to put there possible. As the thinking goes less from what it isn’t, to more of what it could be, the people who used to profit from the corrupt, broken Detroit will be exposed and forced to leave (i.e. kilpatrick). Hopefully some bold people will venture down there and set about creating something completely new, but completely different, and Detroit will rise again, resembling very little of what it once was.
Film. Industry.
That approach has never failed, and it’s a growing business in the Detroit area.
by Roll The Dyess on Aug 9, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
literacy is more important than unemployment rate
You can fix the lack of jobs by bringing in new industries, however that is not an option when something around 20% of students graduate high school
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 9, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
New industries do bring in new philanthropy though.
by Roll The Dyess on Aug 9, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
you're missing the point
What company in their right mind would want to start up a new division in Detroit if 80% of the young populace doesn’t even have a high school diploma, let alone college degree. Not to mention you wouldn’t be able to pull people in from other cities until Detroit’s reputation is repaired a bit, and as you know, new jobs are a key part of that process. So as you can see, it’s somewhat of a paradox, as you can’t do much to improve the city until the eduction is fixed, and that likely won’t be fixed without big donors.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 9, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
What company in their right mind would want to start up a new division in Detroit if 80% of the young populace doesn’t even have a high school diploma, let alone college degree.
Companies looking for only college graduates won’t be recruiting directly from the city, they’ll bring in these people from the suburbs and universities in michigan.
by Roll The Dyess on Aug 9, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
but therin lies the problem
Not many people would want to go to Detroit just for an average job. Either it would have to greatly overpay or be an up coming field. Regardless of what us near by may think of the city, it has a greatly tarnished reputation with the rest of the world (yes world, that was not a misprint).
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 9, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I would.
Being part of something new is always a good risk/investment. If the city doesn’t show signs of improvement in 3-5 years I’ll go elsewhere and will be marginally behind where I’d be had I gone to say Chicago. If the city does show signs of improvement and in 10 years is taking off, I’ll be in a great position in the city being part of the first-movers.
by Roll The Dyess on Aug 9, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I, like Dyess, would certainly join up, if a quality job was offered and I had a good place to move into. Especially in this job market where good jobs are a premium and can be scarce. A lot is in the air right now, but if the right people are driving the progress and growth, then it’ll work… always that damn “potential” though.
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
I think you are grossly exagerating
not only are those numbers off. but Detroit has some of the nations top community colleges and universities a stones throw away. so there is a large enough talent pool within the state that No industry would have any problem hiring from within. One of the biggest gripes that Uof M had a year or so ago is that they were turning out all of these top students in proffesions that the State of Mich. didn’t have the industry to support. Thus they were losing them all to out of state companies.
Formerly known as SCNTFC!
i dont know what you are talking about bt
i meet foreigners all the time who, get this, vacation in detroit! people overseas dont hate on the d nearly as much as the people within the state or from other states. most people from out of town come into town and know more about detroit than the people that live here.
I say that from my own expiriences
I have been to several different countries in Asia and when I told them Ann Arbor was near Detroit, just about everyone asked me if it was safe to live there because of the stories they’ve heard.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 9, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Blame hollywood
and sports message boards.
When I first joined the internet sports crowd, that was usually the sort of comments thrown at me in discussions with other teams fans. Trashing Detroit.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
blame cheap ass comedians
i hate hearing those stupid detroit jokes. I know leno came here and did his lil show for the folks that have been laid off, but he cracks those cheap lil jokes all the time.
You're Thinking Jimmy Kimmel
..who IMHO is a lot more talented than Leno. Check out on YouTube his impression of Leno on his show…I almost hurt myself, I was laughing so hard.
I remember Kimmel doing LA radio mornings as “Jimmy the Sports Guy” in the ’90s. Pretty funny stuff.
by V. on Aug 10, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm cool with cleveland.
We got way too much in common with them.
People who bag on Detroit really don’t know shit about it. Detroit is an easy target, and half those shitbirds are just mad we have 3 title belts hanging in the Palace Attic, that’s just NBA hardware. Fuck you off-brand outta town motherfuckers,
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
by Skylar on Aug 9, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Robocop basically makes up my initial impression of Detroit. I picture Clarence Boddikers running rampant in the streets.
by garrettelliott on Aug 10, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
no those are the real numbers
Look up the public high school graduation rate, last I heard they were sub 20%. NPR talks about them quite a bit
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 9, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah the literacy rate is ridiculous in detroit
i have worked with many people from the city who very obviously could not read at a high level. like an 8th grade level. you cant hold it against the people, the schools are totally fucked up in detroit but i could see it hurting detroit’s chances in the job market.
yeah, I must recant. I am blown away by those #s
I googled it after my last post. I can only say that Detroit’s unemployment rate is due largely to Jobs not being availible. and not so much to new hires not being qualified. Dan Gilbert is moving how many companies here? I bet he wont have to twist any arms to bring any employees with him.
Formerly known as SCNTFC!
and now you see the problem
There are jobs, just too many people are underqualified. Also many of the unemployed are preferring to keep collecting their checks and stay lazy until that fund dries out, and then get another job. Listen to 97.1’s afternoon show, they talk about it quite often, at least 2 days out of the week.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Laziness is causing double digit unemployment? Your point about the lack of human capital has some merit, but I think you’re basically talking out of your ass. No offense, but that’s just like your opinion, man.
by Colin M on Aug 10, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never said that
I said it is an issue. And no I’m talking out my ass, you just happen to be ignorant about the current situation. Do some reading, watch CNN, listen to the read, it will benefit you.
Not to mention what the hell is your problem with me? You seem to criticize everything I do/say and never recognize when I do have valid points.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
*I'm not talking
typo
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Also many of the unemployed are preferring to keep collecting their checks and stay lazy until that fund dries out, and then get another job.
dont buy this. there isnt a ton of sweet jobs available. there are some people that scam the system but for the most part people want jobs but not whats being offered out there. sure you can get a job at walmart making 9 an hour, but if your unemployment pays more than that then stay on it and keep looking for something that you support your family with. you pay into it, you earn unemployment, its not like welfare where its just given to you even if you just want to be a bum.
by dandresden on Aug 10, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This...
you pay into it, you earn unemployment, its not like welfare where its just given to you even if you just want to be a bum.
… is an incredibly important distinction. I don’t blame people for not accepting 15 hour per week, $9/hour jobs at WalMart if doing so forfeits their unemployment benefits.
I was unemployed for 6 months after graduation, and I wasn’t eligible for unemployment. I took a PT job in retail so I could help pay the rent. But I’d be lying if I didn’t wish I could collect unemployment while waiting for something better.
There are jobs, just too many people are underqualified. Also many of the unemployed are preferring to keep collecting their checks and stay lazy until that fund dries out, and then get another job. Listen to 97.1’s afternoon show, they talk about it quite often, at least 2 days out of the week.
OMFG.
bt: you’re clueless.
by Gabe F-B on Aug 10, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how am I clueless
I would like to know
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
My reading is that because you’re using 97.1 as the basis of an argument about unemployment, welfare, and racism.
that's not my only source though
I also listen to NPR and watch CNN on top of freep.com
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
on the web
if it ain’t linked, it didn’t happen. fortunately, NPR archives all their shows, transcripts, etc— so you should be able to back up opinions with links.
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not their transcripts
you have to pay for those
but I’ll try to dig some up when I have some spare time
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Tranquilane John Wayne
I think it’s pretty funny that someone who uses 97.1 “The Ticket” as the foundation of their economic analysis is calling me ignorant.
I’m well aware that paying people to not work disincentivizes work, but given the current macroeconomic outlook the disemployment impact of unemployment insurance seems laughably trivial. I agree that the human capital issue is real and it does create something of a catch-22 for policy makers. However, the idea that there are jobs available, but a shortage of qualified labor seems logically false. Our entire economy is suffering from low aggregate demand. That’s causing companies to think twice before expanding and hiring new employees, which is pretty much the hallmark of the Jobless Recovery we’re experiencing. GDP growth is primarily the result of increased productivity. Additionally, due to near 0% inflation, there is an excessive demand for money (cash and other liquid instruments) which is depressing investment and consumption.
As an aside, I don’t know what the difference is between calling people lazy and saying it’s an “issue” that people are preferring to collect their checks and stay lazy.
You seem to criticize everything I do/say and never recognize when I do have valid points.
I’m glad you post here. You’re clearly a smart guy. Early on, you did an awesome fanpost that included some great statistical analysis. I think you used a Chis Square test, if I’m not mistaken. However, you seem to think that everything is your area of expertise and delight in being a Contrary Mary. Everyone thinks you’re smart – you don’t have to prove it with every post. Also, it would be great if you’d shell out a few bucks to get your sarcasm meter fixed.
In closing, keep doin’ what you do and I’ll keep giving you shit when present poorly informed opinions as fact. I’ll also try to give you props when you make astute observations, which is often.
by Colin M on Aug 10, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
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I’m glad you post here. You’re clearly a smart guy. Early on, you did an awesome fanpost that included some great statistical analysis. I think you used a Chis Square test, if I’m not mistaken. However, you seem to think that everything is your area of expertise and delight in being a Contrary Mary. Everyone thinks you’re smart – you don’t have to prove it with every post.
BT, love you man but Colin M is right on the money.
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by Mike Payne on Aug 10, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ummmm.....
I’m here to have a good time with my fellow Pistons fans. You can disagree with someone without making it personal.
As one of the older members here..permit me to offer some assistance. Life experience helps. Education helps. We have many very bright people here (another reason why I enjoy the forum), but also many young people (also great, I love their energy and enthusiasm, when they’re not acting too much like the usual fan lol), so if you see something you think you have a better perspective on, just make your points, try to teach, and move on.
I know if DBB had a social event I’d love everyone here. So, why not just act like we’re at a cocktail party, where we already know and appreciate each other a little?
by V. on Aug 10, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Colin,
You know your stuff when it comes to economics. Mind me asking where that expertise comes from?
I’m getting a Master of Public Policy from the University of Chicago. That’s where most of the microecon stuff comes from. The more macro stuff just comes from being a nerd and reading blogs when I should be working.
Respect, Colin M
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
My sister in law got her msw
from U of C. She just got a MS in Urban planning from a U in Milan. Nothing but love for university of chi.
by C$ on Aug 10, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, it would be great if you’d shell out a few bucks to get your sarcasm meter fixed.
In closing, keep doin’ what you do and I’ll keep giving you shit when present poorly informed opinions as fact. I’ll also try to give you props when you make astute observations, which is often.
Honestly I feel that sarcasm is abused here, people use it way too much to the point that it gets difficult to tell when people are serious and when they are not.
And also you’ve never once given my props that I can recall. So far you’ve only given me shit on just about all that say, and quite frankly I’m getting fed up with it.
In the same way you say not everything is my expertise, who gave you the position of moderator? That role lies within only the editors and managers, and last I checked I’ve been working with Mike to produce articles, not getting told off for my behavior. Not to mention that I’ve done far more for this site of late than you have, you haven’t even made a single fanpost/fanshot yet.
Boney gets a lot of shit for his form “moderation”, and I don’t see any reason why you should get away with it yourself. You’ve attacked my word just as much as Boney has chased after gulker, save that you don’t mention my name in every sarcastic post you make.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa whoa whoa
first:
Boney gets a lot of shit for his form "moderation", and I don’t see any reason why you should get away with it yourself.
Colin is the Anti-Boney, where Colin uses rational points to dispute poorly-formed arguments, Boney uses insults and repetition to bash people he doesn’t like. I respect the hell out of Colin M as a fair, impartial and reasonable advocate for “no BS”. He’s called me out before— deservedly so.
In the same way you say not everything is my expertise, who gave you the position of moderator?
This community moderates itself. It has always been this way. It has moderated itself precisely in the way that Colin operates— by calling people on their shit when it doesn’t add up. Unlike me and my oft-drunken firebomb approach, Colin does it with class.
Honestly I feel that sarcasm is abused here, people use it way too much to the point that it gets difficult to tell when people are serious and when they are not.
Really, BT, I think you’re the only one that has a problem with it.
That role lies within only the editors and managers, and last I checked I’ve been working with Mike to produce articles, not getting told off for my behavior.
Your articles and analysis are entirely respected and appreciated by most everyone here, but Colin makes a good point.
Do you remember last summer, when you posted on DBB as “Ali”, how you took a lot of heat from people about your behavior as a commenter? It came to the point that you left for many months, then came back as “Bearded Thundar” and started dropping awesome fanposts with great analysis. Thing is, you’ve got that great rep, but are appearing to form another one— by nit picking every little comment whether it needs it or not, boasting about your expertise on every little subject and being a claimer in general (as in your comment above).
Let’s just take it easy, man. Your articles and analysis are a great value to this community, and as Colin himself said they deserve a lot of respect. If multiple people are bugged about something here, it might make sense to take it to heart.
I apologize for the public call-out, but you mentioned me by name and I felt it necessary to weigh in accordingly (and also to defend Colin M, whom I feel is the one prophesied to restore balance to the force).
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Colin is the Anti-Boney, where Colin uses rational points to dispute poorly-formed arguments, Boney uses insults and repetition to bash people he doesn’t like. I respect the hell out of Colin M as a fair, impartial and reasonable advocate for "no BS". He’s called me out before— deservedly so.
This is true. Colin’s a beast who’s called my BS as well. Respectably, which is much appreciated.
Now I’m feeling a little left out. Maybe I need to produce more BS so Colin can call me on it.
by Birdman84 on Aug 10, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think The Boourns called me out for being Canadian once.
by garrettelliott on Aug 10, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's really easy to call me out for my shit.
get it? My name is madpoopz! I made a poop joke! lolz.
Follow my Mechanics blog and music on Twitter
Right on
Since MP already defended my honor, I’ll just focus on bringing this down a notch.
You’re right that I have not given you props when you’ve deserved it. TBH, though, you got plenty of love for your excellent articles/posts. Just to make it crystal clear, I’d rather have ten clones of you nitpicking every comma then one Ralphgoblue or anyone else from the dread Fed bldg.
I don’t know you, but my impression is that you’re an underclassman at UMich. When I was there, I was a huge know-it-all douche. I dominated all my discussion sections and was generally a smug prick. Still am sometimes. Anyways, life’s a journey and all that.
Sorry if I came on too strong. I think everyone values your input here. You seem like you’re a good dude. If you’re ever in Chicago, I’ll buy you a beer. Maybe you can give me some advice on how to get rid of my beer gut.
Funny you say that.
I find the peeps at UC to be more arrogant, in general, than those at UM. Both are great schools, but I am glad I did my undergrad at UM, because UC is where fun goes to die.
well
my sister in law did get her under grad @ UM as well. She didn’t have much to say about UC student body though.
by C$ on Aug 10, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
and i'm a sparty
so, any dig at um is a good dig.
by C$ on Aug 10, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
that does actually help
I’m just saying it was getting annoying that you called me out on everything I did, but never gave me any respect on the other end of it.
In a sense I’m glad this is finally out and over with, and you have to understand that a lot of my arrogance does stem from literally being at the top of my class at just about everything I’ve done. I can’t help it about the nitpicking, that’s just how I was raised by my parents (and part of the reason why I’m already working in the med school).
As for the beer gut, the answer’s simple, eat smaller meals and just spread it out across the day. Most people don’t realize that you actually greatly accelerate your metabolism by eating 6 small meals than 3 big ones + going to a bar (just be sure to count the beer as a meal and you’re fine).
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, you can lose your beer gut by going to the bar?
You need to write a book, the people need to know.
wait, you can lose your beer gut by going to the bar?
yes you can actually, it doesn’t matter where the calories come from, as long as input<output, you will lose weight
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
and you have to understand that a lot of my arrogance does stem from literally being at the top of my class at just about everything I’ve done.
…
by Gabe F-B on Aug 10, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
quick smidgeon of advice: IME, talking about how smart you are is not the optimal way to make yourself appear smart.
by Gabe F-B on Aug 10, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
to be quite honest
I’ll open up a bit more about myself and say that I did lose quite a bit of confidence after getting rejected by MIT, Yale and Harvard. Notice that was around the same time I stopped purely writing articles and spent more time doing detailed responses.
Not what you guys wanted to hear, but at least I’m honest with myself, and know who I am. I’ll always be someone that pays a lot of attention to minuscule details, and will strive to be the best – for better or for worse.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Would this be a bad time to make a joke about you “misspelling” thundar?
(I"m just messing with you, BT! Much love and respect for you, bro!)
actually I did that on purpose
I wanted thunder, but I stupidly put in a fake email, and so had to redo the sign up under a differently spelled version of the samething lol
back at you with the respect thing, I feel that we’ve been able to hold well thought out discussions with each other and learn from it
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It's so awesome when a thread turns into this crazy incomprehensible column of nonsense.
Means shit got real.
by Colin M on Aug 10, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
BT, I think I would have made you proud with my recent weight loss. It’s totally crazy, man. I’m down about 30 pounds in just under 3 months and my strength has increased all crazy-like. I’m ready to hulk out at any moment. And I did it all with pure weights and diet, and almost zero cardio. Crazy.
by garrettelliott on Aug 10, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I am proud of you, those are good gains
Just keep in mind a lot of it is water weight, so you’ll have a hard time maintaining those results. In other words, keep it up, don’t get discouraged if it gets harder to slim down at this point.
Here’s a good reference book that you may be interested in:
http://www.amazon.com/Starting-Strength-2nd-Mark-Rippetoe/dp/0976805421/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1281486608&sr=8-1
If you’ve never done compounds lifts, then I suggest you buy the book. It’s the best of its kind in that is gives entire chapter long break downs of each movement.
If you do know the movements, then just look up the routine. It’s actually what I’m using right now (want to get my squat up to 400 and then will switch to an isolation routine).
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks good and has nice reviews! I might see if my library has it because I’m cheap. Right now I’m just kind of doing what my trainer makes me do, but he’s relocating in January so I’ll be on my own after that.
by garrettelliott on Aug 10, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
this may help you then
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=117429161
quick overview on the routine.
But I warn you, DO NOT attempt either the bench press or deadlift until you’ve had someone properly demonstrate them to you, and start with only the bar to get your form in check.
They are both perfectly safe if your form is in check, but you can easily dislocate some vertebrae if you hunch your back while deadlifting or collapse your chest if you get over ambitions and have a bad grip when benching.
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks! I’d post some before and after photos but no one wants to see a half naked fat guy.
by garrettelliott on Aug 11, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Fixed this for you
butno oneeveryone wants to see a half naked Canadian fat guy.
by brgulker on Aug 11, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Graduation Rates are easily fudgeable
If you want to make headlines, ignore the kids who get GED’s or who graduate through a vocational program, or who take more than 4 years to graduate.
Time says it was 58% in 2009
Yet the very organization they cite, Americas Promise Alliance, puts it at 38%.
When money is involved you can always find ways to fudge the numbers. The thing to notice however you measure it, it isn’t the worst in the history of the world. Indianapolis and Cleveland are worse. Some of it might be bad book keeping. Somebody moves out of town and then DPS fails to take them off the books, so that kid gets marked as a dropout.
The education system is not great, but don’t believe ALL the hype as far as these rates are concerned.
A political conversation?
QUICK, SOMEBODY MAKE A DICK JOKE!
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 11, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Downtown Is OK...And Deserves This
At least downtown has some life going for it..unlike, say Auburn Hills.
by V. on Aug 9, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Pistons Move to the Comerica Park, Ford field area
Then real estate just got that much more expensive. Does anyone want to go in on a dilapidated building and hold it for a couple years? Im willing to empty my Roth if a move is imminent. Detroit will never be what it was. but I do see it improving. Dan Gilbert is moving back downtown, that is huge! add Illitch and the owner of the Lions… the dominoes guy? and you have a pretty decent consortium down there. If I remember correctly Dan Gilbert mentioned partnerships and secret handshakes having to do with his move back into the city. wonder if this has anything to do with it. Seriously though Downtown Detroit can be the biggest entertainment mecca this side of Chicago. and that is pretty good. considering our foundation of casinos, museums and Art institutes. all with St. Andrews hall being the crown jewell.
Formerly known as SCNTFC!
correction: the Fords.
Dont know how commited they are about investing into anything outside of Dearborn. but Tom Monaghan Is one of the few Billionaires who just announced plans to give away half of their fortune. You’ve gotta think that Detroit will factor into his charitable aspirations in some way.
Formerly known as SCNTFC!
im really happy that this is happening.
guarantees the stones stay in the area and i love the idea of a downtown arena. now i can drink $8 beers all night and still be able to get home!
only if they TRADE DUMBBROSKI NOW!
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Aug 10, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
This is my fault for starting this pseudo-political debate.
This makes Jonas sad.
Because I'm the Lynch... and I'm awwwesome!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Aug 10, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Sadly.
Not as cute as Jonas.
Because I'm the Lynch... and I'm awwwesome!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Aug 10, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great picture of Jonas.
He looks like Street Fighter character design art.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
Green Hadoken!
Because I'm the Lynch... and I'm awwwesome!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Aug 10, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
波動拳
in Japanese Kanji character.
Where broken English happens
by OK from J on Aug 10, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He sort of looks like a mix between Guile and Ken. This is interesting, because Guile’s hair isn’t as cool as Jonas’s and Ken is often denigrated as the American Ryu. This is wrong. Ryu is the Japanese Jonas.
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 11, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
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