Greg Monroe: Detroit Pistons Player Previews 2010-11
The draft of Greg Monroe marks the end of a long five years since Joe Dumars drafted a big man. After a flurry of 2-guards and combo forwards, Joe used his 7th pick in the 2010 draft to select what could be one of the most talented, high IQ bigs in recent history. The question is whether or not that talent, that IQ will translate to the pros. Let's ask that question, shall we?

Kevin Sawyer: In many respects, Greg Monroe is a bit of an enigma. He certainly has the size to be a potent big man in the NBA, but his game is a bit more, um, European?
So let's get it out of the way. Monroe was not an outstanding rebounder in college, but he was an excellent passer. Depending on your perspective, that makes him the next Chris Webber, or the next Andrea Bargnani. Is he a classic big whose massive toolkit was put to use in Georgetown's unorthodox system, or a softy who required said system to thrive?
By my lights, his passing skills will be useful in an offense where virtually every player posted a worse offensive season than the year prior. Valid concerns about conditioning aside, he can run the floor, and showed some nice low post moves in summer league. If he can be a low post threat, through whom the Pistons can run the offense in certain sets, he'll quickly make his presence known. My guess, given his age and his motor, is that it will take some time for him to find the minutes to do so.
Add to this the fact that the Pistons always seem to have a logjam at every position (albeit a logjam of failure), so fans will need to wait a bit to see his full potential. I'm on the record regarding Monroe's talent, and the Pistons desperately need a low post scoring threat, so I'm willing to be patient.

Mike Payne: Let's take a chug of the kool-aid, shall we? It's quite possible that Monroe ends up a better pro than he was a college player. Logically, some of his weaknesses should iron themselves out now that he's out of the Princeton offense, and no longer his team's primary option. Specifically, we should see a lower turnover rate, better shooting efficiency and a slight uptick in rebounding rate. At Georgetown, Monroe operated out of the high post, where rebounds are harder to come by. As the Hoya's primary scorer and distributor, forced shots and bad passes certainly serve to stink up your numbers. I'm not suggesting a major turnaround for Monroe, only to say that going from the 1st to the 3rd option on the floor might make him a more efficient player.
Of course, the first thing Monroe will have to overcome is the adjustment to NBA-level defenses. His offensive game does have a few pretty glaring weaknesses that could be easy to exploit (his inability to go right in isolation, for example). According to Pistons.com, he's already begun learning just how capable NBA defenders are, thanks to our own Ben Wallace. It'll certainly take time to adjust, but these adjustments from college to the NBA are where Greg Monroe's oft-touted basketball IQ will serve him the most.
Speaking of defense, Monroe carries a question mark in his ability to defend at the next level. He was a poor perimeter defender at Georgetown, and his shot blocking leaves plenty to be desired. That said, the man will not be a wash on defense. He improved his defense over time at Georgetown, and his mix of size, length and IQ should serve to make him a decent to good defender in most match-ups, especially when properly paired in a team defense. On man, don't expect Monroe to back down in the post, as he'll do his best to maintain position and force bad shots as he did his sophomore year at Georgetown. However, concerns about his mobility on the perimeter and issues with isolation plays need to be addressed-- in training and/or defensive pairings on the court.
All this aside, how much playing time will Monroe see in his rookie season? While he'll likely begin the season off the bench, don't be surprised if he winds up a starter this season. He's one of two scoring bigs on the Pistons roster-- and the other one doesn't play a lick of defense. For a player like Monroe, it'll all come down to that defense. If he can hold his own on the floor and grow as a defender, he'll be shooting up the pecking order and fast. If Monroe asserts himself, it won't be long before he's the first big off the bench and not long later until he's made a starter.
I think the most reasonable expectation for Pistons fans in 2010-11 is to leave the season feeling like Joe Dumars made the right pick. After all, we could be talking about Al Farouq Aminu or Ekpe Udoh right now. I don't think I need to tell you how I would feel about that.
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I’m in love with the idea of Greg Monroe. I’m not going to lie. Being that I didn’t grow up with an interest in basketball, I never did get to see the great passing bigs, you know, Vlade Divac, Chris Webber, those guys. The idea of a player of that magnitude being on my team is just delicious.
He’s not Chris Webber though. Webber was way more athletic. Just looking at Monroe’s aesthetic, he reminds me way more of Vlade Divac, and I mean that as a best case scenario. The word that comes to mind when I think of Divac or Monroe is “smooth”, unless we’re talking about Monroe’s forehead.
In short, I’d love to have a team that gets built like the early naughts Kings. That might be easy to say, given that team was a true contender. But here’s the thing: most teams that get called “fun” are ineffectual in the end. Think about D’Antoni. But that Kings team could be something we could build towards with Monroe as our centerpiece, assuming he can be.
In the end, I’m for whatever wins games given the roster. I’d love a slow it down gritty defensive team. But unless we get some changes, that’s not happening. Joe D seems like he’s trying to build a high powered offensive team currently, so we have a certain direction we’re probably going in.
by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 15, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
I’d totally be happy with a fun, successful, Kings-esque run for a few years. While I’d love to get another championship, I’m kind of still living off ‘04 and wouldn’t be upset watching the young guys turn into a solid core. It’ll be stiff competition for the next few years thanks to Miami (and a few others) so if we can’t win it all, I’d at least hope we could be fun, competitive, and exciting.
by garrettelliott on Sep 15, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
the key difference is that the Kings had 2 great bigs
And while Monroe could perform the role of Divac quite well, I don’t think we’ll ever have someone that can fit the bill of Webber.
I’m not saying a similar offense isn’t possible, just not to expect the same level of success for quite a while
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Sep 15, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest
I completely forgot about him until Keith started spinning him harder than that dude on meatspin
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Sep 15, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm assuming meatspin is a bad, bad thing that is used for shocking
I could also be wrong. Google, just by judging what came up, my assumptions were correct.
I don’t know about Villanueva, at all. If Greg turns as good as we’re hoping, then I think he’s rendered useless except as a bench option. I do think that we could probably trade Villanueva though, but I’m standing pat on him until the end of this season.
by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 15, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yes I understand that for the one milliion time
just because you guys prefer to use sarcasm doesn’t mean I have to respond in kind
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Sep 15, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
you got me
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Sep 15, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
he got you good you rookie fuck.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Sep 16, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Being a Starter
If Monroe winds up a starter and Daye winds up buried behind Rip, Tay, and McGrady, I’ll be a Sad Panda.
That said, I’m anxious to see what he’s got, and I hope he gets minutes to develop.
If Monroe winds up a starter and Daye winds up buried behind Rip, Tay, and McGrady, I’ll be a Sad Panda.
I don’t see how the two are related
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Whoa, that was woefully worded
My bad guys. Not sure what happened there.
What I was saying is that I think Daye has a bright future and lots of upside; yet, I fear that he’ll be buried behind veterans in the twilight of their careers who aren’t part of the team’s long-term future.
While I think Monroe has potential, I tend to think he’s a couple years away from making a significant impact; yet, it appears that he’s almost going to be guaranteed minutes due to the lack of C’s on the team.
So what I was saying was, I’ll be bummed if we go through another year in which Daye — who IMIO is very deserving of minutes — gets buried on the bench and Monroe is handed minutes simply because of the roster being unbalanced. I think that at least makes sense from the perspective of the English language now.
To me, that’s not an issue because we need size. It is what it is. Sucks for Daye to be buried again, but that’s the structure of our team right now. I personally think Monroe should be starting alongside Ben Wallace, but I think I’m in the minority on that one.
by garrettelliott on Sep 16, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I would fight him back……………..with hugs. :))))
by garrettelliott on Sep 16, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
XOXOXOXOXOXO...Take THAT Jonas!
What…you want some more? WITH PLEASURE!!!!
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO
Still not enough? THANK GOD!
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Interesting.
I hope he is, and I do think he’s got the potential to be one. I’ll wait to see how this season goes.
by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 15, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
WHITE #23
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, JAMES #6
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
I think having Ben Wallace being the guy defending him on practice will help him get better quick.
On the other side of the ball, seeing as he is regarded as a quick study, he will also benefit for having a great defender to learn from.
Even if Ben ended up a bench guy with limited minutes for the whole season he would be worth the money he is being paid just for that.
Where in the world is Trent Plaisted?
—> Here’s where I’m gonna try and make my Pistons fandom override my pretty open disagreement with the Monroe pick.
I’ll admit one subjective thing I put probably too much stock in is when I watched Monroe play in college I just didn’t see it. I can’t think of how else to phrase what I mean… Basically, I watched Georgetown on TV a handful of times the last two years, and I never thought I was watching a future above average NBA player. For such a highly touted high school player I always had a “that all…?” reaction when I watched him.
So with that out in the open… I try to stay more stats-oriented, and Monroe’s college stats aren’t conclusively negative or positive, there were other players who IME were safer choices, but because of his unusual package of skills in a big guy Monroe has a chance to be a valuable player. I’ll be cheering for the guy to put everything together and make me feel like an idiot for doubting him.
The Greg Monroe Hybrid is VERSATILE!
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
Be very surprised if he starts
I’m betting Wallace will start all year, although injuries could change that. But if Monroe becomes the first big off the bench I’ll be happy. As for his college rebounding, there was an article on AOL before the draft that addressed that pretty conclusively and said that he was a good defensive rebounder. I think he’s going to be a really good pro. I think he’ll be as good as Bogut in a few years.
So what if he's "Ground" Monroe
He is going to be good even if he addresses none of his weaknesses. He has a big frame and is used to getting position in the Post, and is known for making good decisions once he gets it. If he just does that he can get by with his only one post move. If he can maintain good position on defense the rebounds will follow, my high school coach always told me a good rebounding team can let the ball hit the floor after every shot before the go get it. His Jumper could be better, but even if he never improves it, his ability to ball handle will force teams to respect him on the pick and roll if only to prevent from creating scoring opportunities from the high post.
Because of his high baskeball IQ and his year of being the center of the offense in a tournament team means that regardless of how high his ceiling is, his floor is not bad at all.
Hard to imagine being an efficient player...
…with a defective big toe on one foot…I believe the big toe is a major tool in being able to move around effectively, hopefully he turns out to be the Great Monroe
by alaskanpistonsfan on Sep 15, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing I hate about these previews
is that, especially when all four of us are involved, I have to keep it short. One thing I wanted to touch on but didn’t is how f—king awesome it would be for Ben Wallace and Greg Monroe to start together.
You have one of the greatest defenders in recorded history starting at center, over-aged or not. His defensive brilliance is borne in a pretty unreal basketball IQ— this 6’8" MFer can shut down anyone he sets his mind to, but studying the way they play and executing accordingly. When it comes to defense, the man’s IQ is arguably the greatest that ever was. It is that which has made him one of the most important players of the last decade. Also, I like hyperbole.
Then you’ve got a kid who isn’t the greatest athlete, who treats the game as a quick-fire game of chess, using his mind to find ways around his opponent in the post even if it means dishing the ball to someone else. That is absolutely crazy hard to defend, in that you can isolate a guy and feel like you’ve got him shut down, but then he tosses a laser tight pass to a cutting man at the basket.
Can you imagine Ben Wallace five years ago paired up with Greg Monroe five years from today? It’d be like some sort of crazy brain fight, to the point that they’d just stand there on the court tossing Jedi Mind Tricks for 48 minutes a game. Ben would mindfuck people with a simple: “You don’t want to drive toward the basket, Dwyane, I will make a fool of you and your children with a block that hits them in the 2nd row.” Greg would mindfuck people with: “You don’t want to defend me, Kevin, I will feed Rodney between your legs and purposely hit your balls.” It’d be some straight Obi Kenobi shit, making young kids consider soccer when they look at that terrible orange ball sitting on the asphalt.
Jedi shit. “Chris, how are Lebron and Dwyane going to treat you when Ben blocks your shot on one end, yelling ‘Ru Paul’, while I dunk on you on the other end with my nuts in your jaw. Think about that. Two times. They’re going to hate you, Chris.”
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by Mike Payne on Sep 15, 2010 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I hereby proclaim Mike Payne the best writer on the legend of Greg Monroe ever. First the “DID YOU SEE THAT?!!!?” screaming at the ladyfriend’s animals, now we’re calling him a Jedi.
If anything I think that Monroe’s best shot at being elite or at least top ten is how smart the dude is. Intelligence is kind of hard to teach, and if the guy’s as smart as everybody claims, then he’s going to be deadly.
by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 15, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyitttt
Mad love, MFBMM, but while I’m a bit optimistic I hope I’m not made a fool by what he does on the court. Much respect on the respect though!
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I think worst case scenario is he’s average. I don’t see him being a out and out bust unless he gets strung out on drank.
by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 15, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I propose that Monroe change his number to π, and Ben’s to ∞.
by Shinons on Sep 15, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And change Charlie V’s number to i to represent his defense.
Because I'm the Lynch... and I'm awwwesome!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Sep 16, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
poor Eli
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
That was the name
of the guy he killed with the bowling pin right?
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
Sarcasm
Can you imagine Ben Wallace five years ago paired up with Greg Monroe five years from today?
I realize it’s semi-rhetorical, but no, I can’t because I haven’t seen Monroe play in the NBA yet. It might be that he’s a full season away from being effective, and it might be that he’s ready for 30 minutes per night.
All I’ve got to go on are the couple college games I only half watched, YouTube highlights, and Summer League. Until I’ve seen the dude actually play against NBA talent, I’m gonna do my best to withhold judgment (both pessimistically and optimistically).
That was the point of my sarcastic/rhetorical question.
It came off as dickish and dismissive, not sarcastic. My point was that the skill set and basketball IQ the kid exhibited thus far is pretty damned exciting, whether or not it will translate. That skill set and basketball IQ thus far would be exciting to watch alongside Ben Wallace. Fast forward Monroe’s career, rewind Wallace’s career, and I think that could be an interesting pairing.
Now do I really expect Greg Monroe to be standing still on the court, only using Jedi Mind Tricks to control the game?
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Well, if it sounded dickish it’s due to the medium of communication. I’m not dickish or dismissive and didn’t intend it that way. Hopefully, you’re willing to chalk it up to the limits of text on the internet.
Fast forward Monroe’s career, rewind Wallace’s career, and I think that could be an interesting pairing.
For sure. I’m just not sold on Monroe yet, and I’ve murdered that horse many times over.
GASP!
Mike Payne thinking someone was coming off as dickish and dismissive?!!?
We in bizarro land here?!
I kid…
Don't be callin' me dog cause I want ya to say it backwards - Tech N9ne
by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Sep 16, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mike Payne thinking someone was coming off as dickish and dismissive?!!?
Yeah man, and when I do it, it would be wrong if I wasn’t called out for it. Just like when I called you out for calling DBB a bunch of bandwagon ass cats.
booty still hurt?
I kid…
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Booty feels GRRREEEEAAAT!!! How bout yours there, Capt?
Don't be callin' me dog cause I want ya to say it backwards - Tech N9ne
by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Sep 16, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I ate something bad this morning, my stomach has been a rumbling and as a result, I need to be quite careful about my gas-related decision making. These are risky times, and one bad decision could lead to ruined boxers.
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by Mike Payne on Sep 16, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well keep it clenched
and don’t lose your concentration.
Don't be callin' me dog cause I want ya to say it backwards - Tech N9ne
by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Sep 16, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
when someone mentions eating something bad...
and having a stomach rumble as a result, I feel as if I’m being summoned.
The rec I got
for physiology, I pass on to you, sir
by alaskanpistonsfan on Sep 17, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
all I could think of when you mentioned the brain fight was the preview for dinner for schmucks
where Steve Carrell is “controlling” Zach Galifinakis.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Monres passing key to easy baskets
With monroes passing skills he’ll create shots and good opportunities for pick n roll plays for either PF or SF.. In and out passes to BG from downtown.. Everything we need from a scoring point of view. Can he put up 15pts and maybe 9-12 rebs a game, we’ll be alright.. Monroe is a awsome pick!
if he can put up 12 rebounds per game
He’d be a top 5 rebounder in the game
"Don’t really know shit about White other than he is a colon of Stuckey" - das SmittyJ
And here I thought I knew White like the palm of my hand
by bearded thundar on Sep 16, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
As someone who saw all of Monroe's home games
and more than my share of away games in person while he was at Georgetown, I thought this part of the preview was apt:
Logically, some of his weaknesses should iron themselves out now that he’s out of the Princeton offense, and no longer his team’s primary option. Specifically, we should see a lower turnover rate, better shooting efficiency and a slight uptick in rebounding rate.
He’s not going to come in and take the NBA by storm, but some of his weaknesses (specifically those above) will improve almost immediately and the others he’ll work very hard to improve. And really, some of the passes he makes are simply incredible. Just an awesome passer (which, of course, everyone knows).
He may not be the most aggressive or athletic player on the floor, but I think the questions about his “motor” are sort of silly. He may be fairly even keeled out on the court and early in his career it may have looked to some at times like he was coasting (I don’t think this was the case, by the way), but really the kid plays as hard as anyone else. And I think anyone at Georgetown would tell you that he worked to improve more than just about anyone in his time there. That may or may not make y’all feel better about the pick, but I don’t think you have to worry about this kid working hard.
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by Chris Haines on Sep 16, 2010 8:53 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Still
He looks good on paper, the ‘net blog, has a good flavor in the kool aid pitcher, produced as expected during the summer, hope he acquires some of Max’s demeanor, JJ’s passion for hard work… and what else???
by alaskanpistonsfan on Sep 16, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions
I like mindfreakery
and my guess so would Mr. Payne
by alaskanpistonsfan on Sep 17, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Magic Monroe....
Naahhh,….does quite have the same ring to it.
Mindfreakery Monroe…….meh!
by alaskanpistonsfan on Sep 17, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as I see Monroe's Ice Vision they showcased in the draft,
Ben Wallace regrows the ‘fro(I don’t care how gray and mangy it is), and White dunk over Yao Ming and break his foot… I’ll call this season a win.
Considering the fact that White buried deep on the pine, I’d settle for a TMac dunk over said victim…
by alaskanpistonsfan on Sep 17, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think this is worth a rim(fan)shot, but this caught my eye.
From Pistons.com interview with Joe ‘I don’t want one position, I want all positions’ Dumars.
One more nugget: While the Pistons have 15 players under contract and probably will go into the regular season with those 15 comprising the roster, there could be news – and it could come today – on an additional invitation to camp. If it happens, it would be a young big man, Dumars said.
I'm off to point the pink pistol at the porcelain firing range.
FUCK YES!!!!!!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Any updates on this mystery young big?
by alaskanpistonsfan on Sep 17, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
From the second part of the chat
KL: If there were to be an additional person, are you looking at a particular position?
JD: Maybe a big. If we can find a young big to bring to training camp, I think that would be our first choice. We have an overabundance of wing guys, so the last thing we need to do is bring another wing guy. We have a lot of guys who can play the four position. If we do something, it could be a big somewhere.
I'm off to point the pink pistol at the porcelain firing range.
Greg Monroe
I expect him to be starting sometime this season because we really need a guy down low that can score. I think he has a lot of potential and now that he isn’t playing in the Princeton offense to really show the talent everyone said he had coming out of high school.
by Detroitsportsfan3 on Sep 17, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
“Logically, some of his weaknesses should iron themselves out now that he’s out of the Princeton offense, and no longer his team’s primary option… He’s one of two scoring bigs on the Pistons roster…”
— Michael C. Payne (“C.” stands for “cool”)
btw
Detroitsportsfan3’s comments completely boggle my mind. He comments on every single thread, re-hashes what’s been said and disappears into the night. It’s like some sort of weird sports blogging performance art. I think I’m going to reply to every one of his comments now with the phrase “keen observation.” I don’t feel this is dick-ish, because I’m nearly 100% positive he doesn’t come back to read replies— nor do I think he reads comments anyway. It’s one of those weird observations I’ve made that has become an enjoyable little idiosyncrasy of DBB.
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wait, you're name is MC Payne?
No wonder you started producing hip hop, you didn’t even have to come up with a cool name to work under.
Micool Payne
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J

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