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Tracy McGrady: Detroit Pistons Player Previews 2010-11

Tracy McGrady is a Piston.  It still feels a bit surreal, doesn't it?  This two-time scoring champion, once brilliant but decimated by injuries, will be representing the red, white and royal blue when the ball tips in October.  With so many variables at play here, it's not easy to predict what this will mean on the court.  Matt, Kevin, Packey and myself do our best, while this series of player previews gets a whole lot more exciting.

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Brian Packey: When a buddy of mine predicted that Tracy McGrady would sign with the Pistons, based solely on him seeing T-Mac at a bar in Detroit two days before any initial roomers surfaced, I thought it was crazy. The Pistons have umpteen wings, why in Jod's name would they sign another?

The reports of the Pistons being interested came to light, it was then confirmed and, ultimately, McGrady signed on the dotted line for an NBA veteran's minimum wage. Before posting a knee-jerk reaction, though, I took the liberty to steal a drink from Langlois' liquor cabinet to try and help it sink in. It wasn't too long before I started to feel at ease about the signing and actually come around to liking it. 

McGrady has a history of relatively serious injuries to his name, he's 31 years old and he's the 37th guard on the 15-man roster -- we all get it. But T-Mac may have an even bigger chip on his shoulder than the collective Pistons who have been getting pooped on endlessly all offseason by "experts."  This is a former scoring champ who is being left for dead and he understands it. If he wants another consistent shot in this league, he knows he has to perform at a high(er) level this very season. 

Yes, it sounds somewhat familiar (see Iverson, Allen). I understand the old saying "fool me once, shame on you; fool me... you can't get fooled again," but the circumstances are different. Iverson felt entitled and moped when he wasn't coddled. He seemed content with where he was as a player and would throw parties in random cities while out with "injuries" McGrady appears to have a real desire to prove doubters wrong, which shows in how hard he's supposedly working this offseason with Arnie Kander to get healthy. Iverson expected the doubters to do the work for him.

Will T-Mac return to his scoring champ form? Aw, haillllll naw (or, in other words, probably not), but he'll get the opportunity to surprise similar to the way Ben Wallace did last year, who everybody was counting on to simply spot sets in the weight room. If the Kander man is as magical as we all think he is, there's no reason to think T-Mac can't be a productive player in whatever role he winds up earning. Remember, it wasn't his ability holding him back, it was injury problems.

For a team that won 27 games last year and not in a position to contend for a title, taking a dirt cheap flier on T-Mac isn't even close to one of Joe Dumars' roster gaffes. When opportunity arises to fill the existing holes with legitimate players (who simply aren't available right now), or a younger player like Austin Daye earns the minutes to play over McGrady, the Pistons won't be in too deep to let go of or trade him. In the end, adding a guy who is looking to prove people wrong to a team looking to prove people wrong isn't what I'd call a recipe for disaster. If you want to see disaster, look at Ben Wallace shooting game-tying free throws, this, or last year's team.

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Kevin Sawyer:  The question isn't whether McGrady has anything left in the tank.  He's 31, he has never been an NFL running back, and he is not Antoine Walker.  Oh, and he was the best player in the NBA for a spell.  The question is whether T-Mac has the wherewithal recognize what he can and cannot do, the intensity to deliver that for 1500 minutes this season, and the humility to do so operating from the bench.

What can he do? He lock down opposing wings, rebound, pass, and use his offensive-minded reputation to get to the line.  Think Scottie Pippen on the Trailblazers.  He infrequently turns the ball over, relative to how frequently he has it in his possession.  He's one of the few players who has managed to be a very efficient player while being an inefficient shooter. 

Which brings us to what he cannot do, namely jack up three pointers.  A career 34% shooter from long range, Mcgrady brings nothing to the table from behind the arc.  This has never dissuaded him from the endeavor, though he has toned it down the last couple of years.  Teams were certainly give him the opportunity to let it fly from outside, since the Pistons were among the worst in three point shooting last year. 

If McGrady becomes a spot up three point shooter, he'll be a bust.  If he can improve one of the league's more anemic passing offenses, while chipping in across the board, he'll be a bargain, and could be a vital component of a return to the playoffs. 

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Mike Payne:  There's nothing I could say about Tracy McGrady the player that Matt, Kevin and Packey haven't already said (and eloquently so).  Beyond what he brings to the court, it's also important to keep in mind what his presence alone does for the organization.  Of all the things that Tracy McGrady could bring to the Pistons this year, flexibility is amongst the most valuable. 

Tracy McGrady gives Joe Dumars greater flexibility to move either Tayshaun Prince, Rip Hamilton or both.  If Joe has been apprehensive to move these players due to the inexperience of his younger wings, McGrady's cross-positional veteran talent could provide insurance.  While Tracy's injury history still makes him a risk, his presence alone should make it easier on Joe to make a move that he otherwise may have declined.

Second, if Tracy plays quite well and remains healthy up to the trade deadline, you can expect playoff teams and legitimate contenders to have interest.  This alone could yield an additional draft pick, or could involve a package for talent coming back our way.  In a package, a healthy McGrady could again provide the flexibility needed to get us out from under one of our longer, under-performing salary commitments.

The writing should be on the wall for our young wings.  If Prince is traded, neither he nor McGrady will be on the roster come 2011-12.  While the small forward position will be crowded this year to start, McGrady's flex could be what Dumars needs to confidently move Prince and finally hand the keys to Jonas or Austin at the small forward.

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Matt Watson:  McGrady's arrival in Detroit has been met with confusion, laughter and even scorn -- the latter, I suspect, stemming from lingering resentment over the failed Allen Iverson experiment. But while McGrady may be a faded superstar with somewhat inflated perceptions of his self-worth, that's where comparisons with A.I. should stop. First of all, the guy wants to be here, even if it's to prove the rest of the league wrong. Instead of arriving with a sense of entitlement, he's reportedly spent the latter part of his summer camped out at Detroit's practice facility with the training staff.

Secondly, after signing for the veteran's minimum, he's the lowest of low-risk investments -- especially when you consider the league is subsidizing some 35% of his salary. If he's even a marginal rotation player, he'll be one of the league's better bargains. And if the worst-case scenario is true and he maxes out as a still-injured shell of his former self, well, at least he's a reminder to his young teammates how fleeting fame and talent can be in the NBA. But despite some frustation boiling over in his final season with the Rockets, he's never been labeled a locker room cancer, and he's certainly one of the more socially aware players in the league. McGrady has notoriously never advanced beyond the first round of the playoffs, but it hasn't been for lack of effort: his 24.7 PER over seven playoff series exceeds his career regular-season mark of 22.8. 

That's enough justifying McGrady's career -- the more pertinent question remains: does he have anything left in the tank to produce this year? His most recent track record with the Rockets and Knicks is atrocious, but his well-chronicled recovery from microfracture surgery is clearly to blame. He's only 31, and even if his knee issues forever slow him, he still has enough time to reinvent himself as a playmaking small forward as opposed to a slashing two-guard. (And barring a Rip Hamilton or Ben Gordon trade, if McGrady plays at all this year, it will be at small forward.) He's been an above-average passer his entire career, and he's lanky enough to make plays on both ends of the court even if he's lost a step. Arnie Kander & Co. have done an incredible job salvaging and/or extending the careers of players thrown onto the scrap heap due to significant knee injuries, and they've never worked with a player with as much natural ability as McGrady. 

Even if the T-Mac Reclamation Project goes to plan, minutes at the three will likely be at a premium -- until, of course, Tayshaun Prince is injured or traded, both of which to me seem rather likely. In fact, while there are too many wild cards for me to confidently predict McGrady's numbers, I'll go out on a limb and say he appears in more games as a Piston this year than Prince, and that he turns enough heads to secure a rotation spot with a legitimate contender a year from now.

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FIRST! LOL!

Good write ups guys…Its kind of funny to think that JoD offered Kwame Brown and Chris Wilcox player option contracts in their second year and then offers McGrady a single year deal…

Given McGrady visited numerous locations and seemingly no one was interested, not to mention our kaner power, I would have thought that JoD would have been in a position of power at the negotiating table.

Why didn’t we sign him to a 2 year Team Option in the second year deal? At least then if he does blow up, we’ve got him locked as our back up SG/SF for next year…and if he doens’t, it won’t hurt us or anyone we ultimately trade him to at the end of the season.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Sep 8, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s on a vet minimum contract. To my knowledge, you can’t to TO’s or multi-year vet minimum deals. Again, to my knowledge, in order to do either of those two things, we’d have had to use some of our MLE — and doing so sacrifices the NBA subsidy, among other things.

by brgulker on Sep 8, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it bad

that I want Tracy to return to proper form AND stay with the Pistons? The 2004 team was relatively the same average age, and they had talented core pieces. McGrady may never be a superstar again, but he could be a valuable veteran nucleus for our future core.

No matter how well he bounces back, his next contract will be cheaper than Hamilton or Prince, and he is far more talented when healthy. Supposing we trade Hamilton and Prince, and If we were to keep Ben Gordon, McGrady could be a compliment in the starting lineup for size alone.

by Joshua Michael DeFour on Sep 8, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

To some degree

I concur. He could get back to form and be a major contributor to our slow and steady march towards significance again.

However, barring some catastrophic shifts, the best case scenario the Pistons face is a low seed in relatively top-heavy conference. Two years ago, I rooted like hell for the Bobcats to overtake us for the 8th seed and the right to get American History X’d by the Cavs because the benefit of playoff experience and a bit more national tv coverage doesn’t stack up against the embarassment of getting handily swept. The worst we could have hoped for by missing the playoffs was picking one spot higher and a chance for the team to start resting up earlier. Both seemed like better options than the traveshamockery that was the Cavs series.

Thus, I feel similarly about this year. The Detroit Renaissance is still in its infancy, meaning a return to prominence is likely still down the road a bit. If McGrady can be a good influence on the younger guys, provide some offense when called upon, and turn into useful picks/young players (either by his own trading or by allowing Jod the confidence to trade Hamilton or Prince) then I’d call that a victory. His window of usefulness, even if he regains form this year, is closing rapidly. I submit (as noted in the above Player Preview) that his true utility will be as a conduit for personnel upgrades rather than single-handedly propelling Detroit into the upper echelon’s of the Eastern Conference.

Although if he can just do that uh…well, let’s just do that then.

" I love Sam Cassell, he's a great guy... but he does look like E.T." -Charles Barkley

by haadjson on Sep 8, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Echelons.

Haphazard use of apostrophes…it’s worse than terrorism.

" I love Sam Cassell, he's a great guy... but he does look like E.T." -Charles Barkley

by haadjson on Sep 8, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

But bonus points for using "traveshamockery"

So it at least evens out.

No mention of the “McDyess scenario,” in which a change of scenery plus Arnie’s magic rejuvanates a career? Nah, not even I’m that optimistic.

by Toledo Joe on Sep 8, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arnie Kander

can heal the hungry and feed the sick and, like Dr. Manhattan, only dabbles in the mediocrity of humanity until he gets bored saving mere mortals and allows the world to plunge to its chaotic end.

" I love Sam Cassell, he's a great guy... but he does look like E.T." -Charles Barkley

by haadjson on Sep 8, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Man that's not bad at all. That's the only reason to sign anybody.

Excellence on the court, franchise loyalty, and hopefully popularity within the city and fanbase.

I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J

by Skylar on Sep 8, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's only 31...

Excellent series guys. Very enjoyable reading and very, very well thought out. Kudos.

One minor gripe … Yes, TMac’s only 31, and yes, this is as low-risk as you can get. But he’s 31 with a whole lot of miles under the hood. To me, his relatively youngish age is overshadowed by the length of his NBA career, the number of minutes he’s logged, and the recent injuries.

It’s a super minor quibble, but I think it’s worth nothing.

by brgulker on Sep 8, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I looked into this a bit...

When I did my first post on McGrady. I’m an adherent to the “odometer theory”, such as it is, but cursory research didn’t seem to indicate that he has logged any more minutes than your average 31 year old. His time off due to injuries and lack of playoff success appear to compensate for 2-3 seasons worth of minutes, compared to your average superstar.

For example, McGrady has almost exactly the same number of minutes under his belt as did Scottie Pippen at age 31. He has about 13,000 less than Kobe Bryant.

The recent injuries are obviously a problem, which is why there is no way he can be a 20PER .200WP48 type player. But if he posts something closer to 17/.150 in 22 mpg, he’ll single-handedly add 3-4 wins.

by Kevin Sawyer on Sep 8, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

No fair comparing McGrady to players like Pippen and Bryant, who were actually GOOD at 31.

by -PS- on Sep 8, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what if he is ?

I have faith in T-Mac to make a comeback this year. MIP anyone?

But then again I was happy when we got AI so take this post with a grain of salt.

The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !

by DetBalla on Sep 8, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're gonna take it and you're gonna like it!

The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !

by DetBalla on Sep 8, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell no T-Mac is not going to be Most Improved

Sorry, there’s just no way that’s happening. If it does, I will kiss a donkey with DetBalla painted on it.

The Most Improved is going to be Anthony Randolph. Mark it. He will be a better player than A’Mare, and I’m not saying that because its an easy thing to say on a website full of basketball nerds. If you look at his 36 per minutes, he is fucking scary. When you give him minutes, he will produce some stuff that will shock your eyeballs. I’m telling you, he will be the Most Improved player: he’s going to the exact same system but getting minutes. Anthony Randoph is the motherfucking truth.

by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 8, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incorrect.

Ramon Sessions.

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by Mike Payne on Sep 8, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Incorrect.

Jonas Jerebko.

From 9/6 to 20/12.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Sep 8, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

From 9/6 to 20/12.

From 2010 to 20forever.

/fixed

by waulie on Sep 8, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m totally picking Jonas on my fantasy team. Hopefully there’s a bonus category scored for dreaminess.

by garrettelliott on Sep 8, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

In some leagues, they replace turnovers with dreaminess.

by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 8, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is there any interest or is there already a DBB fantasy league?

I’d play only so I could see Jonas go 1st overall.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Sep 9, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm totally down for that

I’d love to play in a good fantasy league this year, where everybody will actually keep up with it. I’ve already decided my team name is going to be the Mother Kahnnection.

by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 9, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

We did two last year

and I’ll post an official announcement once we get closer to preseason.

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by Mike Payne on Sep 9, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wooooooooo

I’d play in both of them. I love some fantasy basketball. Even though I’ll probably end up drafting Vince Carter and getting dicked for it, I still love it.

by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 9, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait: are you suggesting

That Jonas has room for improvement? Blasphemer!!!

by Toledo Joe on Sep 9, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he starts, Mo Williams is still the PG there

He should be a candidate though. I’m just picking Randolph because he seems like he should be a starter. D’Antoni can play him and Stoudemire at the same time, at the 4 and 5 respectively. I’m pretty sure the Knicks will look like this:

Felton/
Kelenna
Gallinari
Randolph
Stoudemire

I could be wrong though.

by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 8, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm only kidding :)

Although Byron Scott has said he plans to start both Williams and Sessions, sharing the ball handling… a play which Sessions will get the better of.

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by Mike Payne on Sep 8, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

But maybe Sessions will finally see some limelight in the eyes of people who aren’t basketball dorks.

by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 8, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

that'd be nice

the young fella has certainly earned it with hard work.

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by Mike Payne on Sep 8, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay Biz calm down buddy

It’s only wishful thinking from the Pistons fan within . I do agree with Randolph having every chance in the world to get MIP next season. I wish we could of picked him up some how. But If T-Mac does somehow get it , I’m not sure if I want to see you’re donkey show. lol

The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !

by DetBalla on Sep 8, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

personally

I think MF Biz Markie Moon deserves the next league MIP.

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by Mike Payne on Sep 8, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm only messing around with him.

Biz is cool in my book

The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !

by DetBalla on Sep 8, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know man

Just saying though. I take bestiality very seriously, and I wouldn’t offer donkey kissing unless I was sure of this.

by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 8, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that’s good. Though it was a plush donkey.

by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 8, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he’s a 17/.150, he’ll add just enough in terms of wins to make us miss the lottery.

by brgulker on Sep 9, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right

That comes with making the playoffs. I’ll take a 15 pick and a playoff berth over a 10 pick and nothing.

by Kevin Sawyer on Sep 10, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

when I typed "roomers"

I pointed to my screen and said “that one’s for you, brgulker!”

by Packey on Sep 8, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I noticed. Well done, Mrs. Packey’s husband.

by Birdman84 on Sep 8, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Holy crap.

Not sure how I missed that the first time. Fist bump.

by brgulker on Sep 9, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Expectations

Yes, he will take minutes from Jerebko.
Yes, he will take minutes from Daye.

No, he is not center or a point guard.

As MFMP wrote, however, this was a shrewed (if not a no-brainer) signing for Jod. The Pistons will be in the mix for a playoff spot, but there is no way Jod doesn’t cash in Tay before the trade deadline. At worst, TMac provides depth at Tay’s position while JJ/Daye continue to gain experience. At tempered, dude plays well enough to be worth a pick at the deadline. At best, he regains (most of his) form and has so much fun he resigns for the MLE next year.

What’s the real harm? JJ and Daye will be with the Pistons in 11/12 regardless. Tay will not. With this roster, Tmac >> Tay.

by waulie on Sep 8, 2010 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m watching a recording of game 4 LAL vs OKC to fulfill my basketball jones. What a great game for OKC my second favorite team.

The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !

by DetBalla on Sep 8, 2010 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you Sir.

The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !

by DetBalla on Sep 8, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

My top 5 teams are Detroit, Milwaukee, Oklahoma City, Denver and Utah. Sacramento, Golden State, Memphis, and Atlanta are teams that I hold heavy interest in. The rest of the teams I don’t really care a whole lot about or have a player or two that I like. I hate Miami and Boston actively.

by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 8, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I’m totally with you on the favorite teams outside of Detroit. My only point of difference is with Utah. For me, swap Chicago in there. For as much as I hated Joakim Noah when he came into the league, I’ve grown to appreciate that hate a bit. And while I think the whole “Rose is the Next D-Wade” talk is garbage (because Wade was already Wade by the time Rose was “the next”), I really like Ronnie Brewer, CJ Watson and Luol Deng, and feel that Boozer was the perfect fit, moreso than even Bosh. I’m sure I’ll grow to hate Chicago once they do really well and the media starts to felate them, but in the mean time, they’re tough not to respect just a bit.

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by Mike Payne on Sep 8, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other than Joakim Noah and Derrick Rose, I don’t really care a whole lot about that team. And I prefer Tyreke Evans to Rose. I like Tyreke Evans a lot, and he sort of reminds me of Deron Williams. Deron is a waaayyyy better passer, don’t get me wrong, but they’re both big point guards with sickening handles. Deron makes that team fun to watch for me, plus his name reminds me of the long lost Deron Washington, which doesn’t hurt.

by Biz Markie Moon on Sep 8, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Chicago, too

Mainly because I have relatives there and talk basketball with them all the time. I totally don’t buy the Rose hype either (the only thing he does very well is score — he’s an average passer and a bad defender), but I have a massive basketball crush on Noah. The scorn he has for LeBron, alone, is reason enough to like the guy. I also like Brewer and Watson, although I think Deng has been consistently overrated throughout his career, which makes me dislike him a bit. He’s kind of a whipping boy for Bulls fans (particularly at Blogabull), so I think that’s rubbed off on me.

"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08

by Thom_not_Tom on Sep 9, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Knicks may be a fun team to watch this year.

Kinda like how GS is fun to watch . They don’t win much but have fast pace games

The Miami Heat are a bunch of Bandwagon Ass Cats !

by DetBalla on Sep 8, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

deliciously so

I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J

by Skylar on Sep 8, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This has nothing to do with this post.

I was just looking at the Knicks roster for this year and I realized that it is literally completely gutted with the exception of Gallinari. And the prospective starting 5 that they’re putting out looks surprisingly exciting. Every one of the guys with the exception of Stoudemire are all players that people keep expecting to bust out as stars (or at the very least solid role players).

Felton – Chauncy-lite
Azuibuke – efficient Monta Ellis
Gallinari – Peja Jr.
Stoudemire – known entity
Randolph – either KG2.0 or KG.5

So if Randolph becomes the KG2.0 that my mancrush expects him to become, this team could be stupid-awesome. Randolph could just fly around with his 27’ wingspan playing free safety while everyone else is free to gamble and cause turnovers. They would average 150 ppg. Maybe. I’ll definitely be watching Knicks games this year either way. Just a very interesting roster.

by The Joel on Sep 9, 2010 2:19 AM EDT reply actions  

150 ppg sounds reasonable enough

But only if Isiah is doing consulting for the team.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Sep 9, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Felton

Is Chauncey VERY lite. He could thrive under D’Antoni, and I think the Knicks have a solid shot at the playoffs, but they are a few pieces away from being very interesting to watch.

by Kevin Sawyer on Sep 10, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great series

Really digging this feature as a whole. Kobe won a championship as a 31 year old, so there is hope for the 31 stars out there!

Seriously, though, I agree with Kevin Sawyer that I won’t hate him as long as he doesn’t jack up treys all the time.

by blackandgoldcorey on Sep 9, 2010 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Just noticed the Nueva York jersey T-Pain was wearing up there.

I find the spanish joints interesting, si mon

I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J

by Skylar on Sep 9, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Three Point Percentage

A truly knowledgeable basketball person type of guy fella help me out on this. I look at 34% and my first instinct is, “Hey…that’s like 51% from 2 point line. Isn’t that pretty okay?”

I don’t really know enough to know why that’s not good, but here are my two theories:

1) One is almost never fouled hoisting threes, so the “true shooting percentage” is lower.
2) The defense doesn’t have to play as hard and hoisting a bunch of three and hitting 34% doesn’t wear them down
3) It force the defense to attack in the same way, so shooting threes creates fewer easy bucket opportunities.

(On the other side, don’t threes create more offensive rebound opps?)

Am I right in intuiting any or all of these? What are the other factors?

And does anyone have a sense of what the “break even” percentage is for 3s?

Kevin, Mike, Packey, Matt—thanks for this cool series and for all you do on this site. Reading here (and following my now possible once again relevant and always beloved Kansas State Wildcats—remember the name Arthur Brown—helps fill the “no-sports void” that’s been created since moving to Burma.

My blogs: pakagankarachi.livejournal.com (dormant)
burmahunkalove.livejournal.com (occasional signs of life)

by MrHappyMushroom on Sep 10, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think 34% is that bad. It’s not great by any means, but not awful either.

If a player takes 100 3’s and makes 34 of them, he will generate 102 points, which is exactly like shooting 51% from inside the arc as you mentioned. Which looks pretty good at first glance.

But in addition to your three points, I would add to #1 and add a #4.

4) Players who attack the basket may create shot opportunities for their teammates and may generate assists. Hoisting up 3’s doesn’t do either (unless you want to count missed attempts that lead to OReb’s, which I wouldn’t).

Preface: this is quick and dirty, not 100% accurate, but I think it illustrates the point fairly.

1A) Last season, the Pistons scored approximately 105 points per 100 possessions (here and here). So, just doing a quick and dirty comparison, if TMac uses takes 100 3-point shots (which would require him using greater than 100 possessions, due to TO’s, etc), and scores 102 points, he’s actually scoring at a rate that’s below the team average.

That fact alone, IMO, underscores the incredible importance of getting to the FT line. Think about it. If you’re even a 65% FT shooter, you’re scoring 65 points for every 100 attempts. If we were to assume that 2 FTAs = 1FGA (which I realize isn’t completely accurate), that equals 65 points per 50 FGA, or 130 points per 100 FGA.

TMac’s career season, at least IMO, was probably 2002-2003. His shooting percentages were good, but he took nearly 10 FTs per game and converted at nearly 80%. That’s how a guy who’s not great from the field can remain remarkably efficient on the offensive side of the ball. So that’s roughly 160 points per FGA.

In order for TMac to help us, I would completely agree that he needs to (be physically able to) attack the basket and get to the line. (See also: Stuckey, Rodney.)

by brgulker on Sep 10, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

*160 points per 100 FGA

by brgulker on Sep 10, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for your insights.

Yeah, your number 4 is sort of what I was surmising with my number 3. But I didn’t know the 105 vs 102 equation. In short, then, a regular 3 shooter would need to get to the 38% mark (give or take) to be an addition?

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by MrHappyMushroom on Sep 11, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

(On the other side, don’t threes create more offensive rebound opps?)

A ref at a youth basketball game I was coaching told me this, and I pass it on to my kids now too, when you shoot a three it usually leads to long rebounds, long rebounds usually lead to the defense’s guards recovering the ball and starting a fast break. I don’t know if it is true for the NBA because people there shoot with a better Arc and maybe the rebounds don’t travel as far, but 3 pointers are probably worse for rebounds unless your team has really good offensive rebounding guards.

by tads on Sep 10, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

I suspect your are right about the fast break points.

Solution: T-Mac puts up roughly 800 threes this year and hits 70%. I, for one, would be okay with that…

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by MrHappyMushroom on Sep 11, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but what about his defense?

by Birdman84 on Sep 11, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tracy McGrady

I really don’t know what to expect from him this year. I could easily see him re-emerging and becoming a shell of his former self but I can also see him crashing and burning this year. It will be really interesting to see what happens and I hope he can make a lot of positive impacts on this team this year.

by Detroitsportsfan3 on Sep 10, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

3 point shots

I was asking myself the same thing about whether shooting 34 % is really that bad. I don’t think it is, but I think the additional factor with 3s is the misses are more likely to be long rebounds, which makes it easier for the opposing team to beat you down court for a score on the other end. I think the point about being less likely to be fouled is also a great point, especially when you consider all the pluses of free throws – if you make them! Someone should do a comprehensive study of how many missed 3s lead to fastbreak baskets a sopposed to missed 2s.

by revken on Sep 10, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

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