"Buffoonery. Do you all know what that means?"
Tayshuan Prince speaking to the media in the locker room about Richard Hamilton's DNP after the game against the Memphis Grizzlies.
Umm... can you really get away with calling your coach a buffoon to the press? I mean, regardless of whether the claim is true, you can't do that can you?
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Ah, I see
So I guess Tay intentionally went 3-13 (0-2 from 3) because, ya know, it’s really hard to insult your coach publicly after a game you won.
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Buffoonery.
Wow. You know, I try to stay positive on a forum like this. I don’t dwell in the negative. But I don’t think Tay is really in a position to call Coach a buffoon. How many 50+ games has Tay dropped, anyway?
Who’s the buffoon, now?
by Tony D. Buckets on Jan 13, 2011 6:45 PM EST reply actions 14 recs
I don't know how I feel about this comment.
but my talent level at basketball does not warrant many 5 point basketball games.
That's fine.
Just use a per 360 minutes metric, no one will notice.
HEY!
by HEY! on Jan 14, 2011 6:00 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So that perception of an amicable parting was purely a construction of my head.
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Well, Rip might be taking it amicably, but Tay is being a dick. What a toxic environment.
by garrettelliott on Jan 13, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps he's being a dick
But this team has completely given up. Unacceptable. The lack of ownership investment, complacency, out-of-wack rotations, and of course job security concerns for all players, coaches, and Joe D… A mess. Solution? Promote Brian Hill to HC and Bring Jonas Jerebko back tomorrow (he did finally take his walking cast off)!
by DetroitDefense on Jan 14, 2011 1:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I respectfully disagree
Jonas has actually become so unapproachably dominant, that Dumars decided it was in the best interest of the team and the league for Jonas to not play this season. This will allow the Pistons to get that final lottery pick that we need to become a title contenda, while at the same time keeping Jonas a secret until next season, where he will unleash his basketball mastery upon those lesser beings around the league. Swedish Style.
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
That is what I fully expect from Jonas next season, every second of every game.
without the douchebag narration hopefully.
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
I was starting to back down on my "I hate Tay" campaign...
…but he just kicked it back into high gear. I can’t say I’ve watched a ton of games this year (new job) but from what I’ve seen the team looks so much better with Rip on the pine. (Not that, that is saying much)
WOW
i was a Tay fan but with the stuff he been pulling these few months i think its time for him to go. Really dude its your last year shut up and play hard as you can to boost yourself in the market.. right now it seems like you dont respect your coach and is hard to coach.. who wants another latrell sprewell? JOE D trade his washed up ass too. He isnt helping you win games atleast the players that are loosing are trying to win
Hyperbole.
Tayshaun Prince is not Latrell Sprewell.
This team sucks. As frustrating as it is as a fan, I’m sure it’s hell if you’re out there on the court – especially if you feel like your coach is doing it wrong.
Tayshaun Prince looks like a Buffoon
If there was one negative thing about the 04 team winning a championship, its that guys like Rip and Tayshaun seem to think their stars. These are two role-players that happen to be two of the best players are on the team which isn’t a good thing. It really shows how pathetic this roster is, and how desperately we need a star.
Gold olympian & 2004 ringholder.
Agreed, Tay & Rip get respect. Shit’s ugly but they were pivotal for us, year after year.
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With all the Prince & Rip controversy going on...
I’m surprised you haven’t heard a whole lot from Ben Wallace. I’m sure Rip and Tay have both expressed their opinions and views to him (more than anyone else on the team or organization) and yet, it seems like he’s not even there. People talk about starting fresh and trading away Rip and Tay would accomplish this while Ben Wallace sits in the background, now I’m not saying Ben needs to go too but it seems like there is a total disconnect between him and Rip/Tay.
Thank you, Glow-In-The-Dark Baby Jesus. The Lions needed the wins and I know you will lead us to a Super Bowl.
Ben signed here to retire.
He isnt about to get involved in the drama. He is just here to play, and be a mentor. There is no point in him getting involved. I dont think he has a disconnect from Rip or Tay.
by hoopaddict08 on Jan 14, 2011 12:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And you have to wonder how much of Monroe's rebounding success
is due to Ben’s influence.
If I recall correctly, Monroe’s rebounding ability was said to be a question. He’s done gooood.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jan 14, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
I know why he is here.
But I just find it a little awkward no one has confronted Ben about the things going on with Rip & Tay.
Thank you, Glow-In-The-Dark Baby Jesus. The Lions needed the wins and I know you will lead us to a Super Bowl.
Not asking him to air out dirty laundry.
But I’m saying, he hasn’t even gave a “No comment” response, it feels like he’s totally transparent.
Thank you, Glow-In-The-Dark Baby Jesus. The Lions needed the wins and I know you will lead us to a Super Bowl.
I agree, I rather him be transparent.
All I’m saying is that I find it awkward that he has such a close connection between Rip and Tay and he seems like he is so far and distant from the situation.
Thank you, Glow-In-The-Dark Baby Jesus. The Lions needed the wins and I know you will lead us to a Super Bowl.
point taken...
and yeah, going from such close friends to being what appears to be opposite ends of an issue or even Ben standing in the middle.
It is awkward.
Ben Wallace has never struck me as a man who would interject himself into a drama bomb.
He’s above the fray, doing his thing and being professional. Big Ben is setting an example.
Sometimes I can put words together but other times they fall apart... like Greg Oden.
by 13194013 on Jan 14, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ben Wallace is transparent off the court
so that on the court all opponents can see is him and his hand crushing their shots into the stands. Classic Jedi technique.
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
I'm old school
I’ve had my moments with Rip and Tay but I’m with them 100% from here on in.
Joe Dumars drove the team in a ditch, set the car on fire, and then bought 3 new SGs…er…tires to put on the charred hull. If the inmates are complaining…well…they’ve earned the right. There’s being professional and there’s being brain dead.
It’s a tired show in Detroit.
I'm going to join joejoejoe
In what’s apparently the minority opinion. Yeah, it’s not good for players to be ragging on the coach — although I do kind of like the word “buffoonery.” But it’s not good. Still, it’s a job in which his bosses have done a crappy job running things and haven’t given him anything like a chance to succeed.
Also, for the record, Tay has been one of the most productive Pistons this year, arguably the most productive overall. He’s #2 on the team in scoring; is shooting .493 from the field, which is best on the team for anyone whose taken a reasonable amount of shots (second overall to Wilcox’s .500, but Tay’s taken over 400 more shots than Chris); is #2 on the team in 3-pt shooting percentage (behind Daye); 4th in rebounding (behind Big Ben, Monroe, and CV); and almost tied with T-Mac for #2 in assists.
All of this, I add, while often being asked (especially earlier in the year) to play PF, a position he’s been asked to play for the last couple of years even though he’s clearly undersized at that spot.
Plus, Rip is his buddy, he was frustrated after yet another loss. . . . I’m not condoning, but I understand.
by Toledo Joe on Jan 14, 2011 8:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So what your'e saying is...
We need another SG?
I'm off to point the pink pistol at the porcelain firing range.
If I'm Kuester
Tayshaun just earned himself a DNP-CD. Unbelievably unacceptable. Further, he needs to treat each player consistently. If he’s going to bench Stuckey for a look, he better bench Tayshaun for this.
Also, Tay is completely out of touch. Rip has sucked for the past year and a half, and the team is better when he’s not playing.
Agreed
My first thought was the Tay needs his own DNP-CD. You simply can’t get away with this. We’ve hashed and rehashed the reasons behind what’s going on right now, but the bottom line is the players are paid to play and the coach is paid to coach.
You can’t have players insulting the coach in the media about his decisions on how to split up the minutes. That is Allen Iverson type stuff. We wouldn’t stand for it from him, and I don’t give Tayshaun any passes on it either.
by Big Z in Orlando on Jan 14, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Despite my defense of Tay above
I think a DNP-CD would be appropriate. Even if he’s right — which I think he is — you can’t say that stuff publically.
I think this may get done and he goes to the nets. Everyone forgets that prokerof or whatever his name is will use the russian mafia to convince melo. He’ll probably wake up with a horses head in his bed in the next couple of days …. that’ll change his from the knicks
Harsh
La La clearly has a SJP-type uber-long face, but the horse’s head comment is a little over the top…
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by newfy on Jan 14, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't doubt that Mikhail Prokhorov will make him an offer he can't refuse.
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by Mikhail Prokhorov on Jan 14, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
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by V. on Jan 15, 2011 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
That car looks... AMAZING!
Where can I get one?
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i'm not holding my breath..
but if this does happen, why don’t we trade Tayshoon for D Harris and let Stuckey walk. Using the expiring Murphy contract to sign Z Randolph. i’m not sure if all the number would work, but this starting five seems a hell of a lot better than what we have now.
Harris
Gordon
Daye
Monroe
Randolph
At what point is Tayshuan going to start ending all of his comments to the press with “TRADE TAYSHAUN NOW!!!!”?
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If he refers to himself in the third person like that
It will be even better than using the word “buffoonery.”
But of course this NJ deal doesn't involve Tayshaun, so
This could be an ongoing issue. Especially since the trade that may happen isn’t likely to make Detroit better this year.
I find it strange that Tay would be so public with his issues when JoD has said he could picture Tay as a front office type of guy. These don’t seem like the actions of a management dude.
by garrettelliott on Jan 14, 2011 11:31 AM EST reply actions
Well lets split some hairs here...since we certainly can't talk wins produced (we'd have to well ya know win, to discuss that favored metric)
He didn’t say that Kuester is a Buffoon. He said that the act of not playing Rip Hamilton is “buffoonery”. For us to interpret this as calling Kuester a Buffoon is the same as your good friend interpreting you telling them they’re acting like an asshole as you telling them they are in fact an asshole. They are not at all the same thing unless you believe that acting like something makes you that thing (Keanu Reeves disagrees)
And secondly, while Rip is most certainly the closest to being traded of anyone on our squad so there could be a good reason for not playing him, the reason that Kuester gave was contrary to this assumption. Furthermore, he started Stuckey at the shooting guard over our other 2 starting shooting guards in Ben Gordon and Rip Hamilton.
Third, even if the benching really was due to trade implications, there is absolutely no guarantee that that trade ever goes through since Carmelo has apparently made no indication that he’d sign with New Jersey. So as a franchise, shouldn’t we still be trying to prove to the rest of the NBA that Rip still has something in the tank?
Lastly, the roster management in last night’s game, including benching Rip, can easily be defined as bufoonery. Running a small ball lineup that consisted of Tay at the PF position trying to D up Zach Randolph at the end of the game absolutely was bufoonery. Starting Rodney Stuckey at SG because his productivity at the point has been lacking is bufoonery.
So we’re shitting on Tay for calling a spade a spade? Seems a bit ridiuclous to me.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jan 14, 2011 12:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, Boourns.
That’s a great breath of fresh air.
by garrettelliott on Jan 14, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
lol...damn you garrett!!!!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jan 14, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Deja vu...
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jan 14, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
right but I guess my point is, who the fuck cares if he said it? He's absolutely right. And someone needs to say it.
Detroit Sports Media hasn’t questioned the lineups that much. Joe Dumars definitely hasn’t questioned the lineups. And you sure as shit know every player is confused as hell with the exception of maybe Jonas, Big Ben ,and T-Mac…
It certianly could have been put in a more diplomatic way but we’ve won only 12 games this year. The time for diplomacy is over.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jan 14, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Stuckey is better than Gordon or Rip, if you ask me. And you know how I feel about Stuckey. I actually like that just as much as I like seeing TMac start at PG (which is the best thing Kuester’s done all year, IMO).
The more I think about it, the more I want to give kudos to Kuester.
Aside from thinking that he should have told him, out of courtesy, if it was decided before the game. If for nothing else, to save his ass from a proud veteran.
I hate using this term but, this is the ultimate “there are no sacred cows” on this team. Because looking at the lineups and playing time, everyone has been punished for their play, yanked in and out. Yes Rip was stripped of his starter spot, but that took longer than most people thought it should have happened. He has been the one, in my mind, that has played the worst and has been the most disruptive on the court. He has looked casual and disinterested. So in order to save face the coaching staff has to pretend either side really wants him to be there when in reality they don’t? Fuck that.
If Kuester decides to give a DNP-CD to Tay (which will not happen) and tells him before the game “Who’s the boss? I’m the boss” I’m gonna send that man some Arby’s fries with a note congratulating him for having the biggest balls in the Pistons organization. If nothing else, its time to put his foot down and get a grip on this culture of the inmate running the asylum. This is the third coach in a row these players shit on, and maybe they’ve all been shitty coaches, but good veterans don’t turn in 3 coaches in a row.
PD: I do not blame Rip and Tay for wanting out, nor will I wish them wrong once they are traded, but my loyalties lie with the Detroit Pistons. My primary concern is the name in the front, not the back.
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by Kriz on Jan 14, 2011 12:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Casual/disinterested/disruptive?
He’s been streaky with his shooting, but so has BG. He’s had to play frickin’ SF, which no other guard has. The first game he came off the bench, he had a monster-good game. I’ll give you the technicals, and his overall FG% is low, but how else has Rip been such a problem?
Personal observation on body language and demeanor on the court. Nothing more.
Obviously, those with different perceptions of this will disagree.
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Joe beat me to it
You are going to see what you want to see, like you said, based on your personal observation. If you are looking for Rip to be lazy and disinterested, you will see that. The truth is, Rip hasn’t really been anymore lazy or disinterested then most of the players on this roster. I’ve seen plenty of instances where it looks like BG took the play off, or he failed to close out on a guy shooting. CV shows he only cares about his offense everytime he steps out on the court, disinterested in learning how to play defense. Stuckey gets bored with trying to be a PG and instead turns into a wrecking ball, etc etc.
As far as this article goes: Tayshaun was wrong for saying that to the media, Kuester was wrong not to tell Rip (A guy who has been a Piston for so long) he wasn’t going to play him at home. It was nice to see BG play well in the 2nd half, but I’m not going to jump to conclusions saying he’s the bomb now. Look what Bynums done since his big game. I’m glad to see Kuester put BG back on the bench, because he really hasn’t done anything with the time he’s been given as the starter. Maybe it will put a fire under him like it did for Rip (albeit 1 game)
I think you're being a bit harsh on CV's defense. At times, he's shown improvement...
but just like his entire career, he’s lacked consistency there. He’ll make an impressive block on one defensive play and then let his man have an unimpeded cut to the hoop for an easy dunk the next.
That said, he seems to be playign better defense than he did last year, but again that’s not saying much.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
but how else has Rip been such a problem?
I would say that the style of offense that his game demands we play is one of the most significant obstacles to this franchise transitioning to the next era (however unclearly defined that might be).
And I have been a huge Rip fan. He is a square peg in a round hole … benching him is the best thing for the franchise moving forward.
I might agree with that, but
There is NO style of offense that fits this roster. We have no post offense; our supposed PG of the future turns out to be a significantly worse passer and decision-maker than an aging, banged-up former scoring machine (and I say that with affection toward T-Mac); we have no players except maybe T-Mac who can consistently command a double team outside the paint; the highly paid SG not named Rip is an equally streaky shooter who also isn’t very good at creating his own shot; our best 3-point shooter, Daye, gets wildly inconsistent playing time; we play Rip and Tay out of position far too much, and still, going by stats, Tay is our most efficient offensive player.
So sure, maybe Rip needed a pin-point passer like Chauncey and ‘Sheed to set screens. But subtracting Rip doesn’t make our offense good, or even better, because there’s not much else we can do except hope Rip, BG, or T-Mac get hot for a quarter or two.
I hear you
But, subtracting Rip does mean a lot to the team’s future ability to rebuild, regardless of whether or not he’s been a problem on court or off.
/They call me captain obvious
I hate using this term but, this is the ultimate "there are no sacred cows" on this team. Because looking at the lineups and playing time, everyone has been punished for their play, yanked in and out. Yes Rip was stripped of his starter spot, but that took longer than most people thought it should have happened. He has been the one, in my mind, that has played the worst and has been the most disruptive on the court. He has looked casual and disinterested. So in order to save face the coaching staff has to pretend either side really wants him to be there when in reality they don’t? Fuck that.
This.
On a more positive note
Ben Gordon dropped 25 points in the second half, which was pretty impressive, even though we didn’t get the win. Maybe we can ship out Tay too? Would there be any takers?
Resigning Stuckey would be a massive mistake, he can’t play point and BG is better at the two. For the money he’s gonna cost the best move would be to trade him now.
MFDLN!!
by Mike Payne on Jan 14, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree re Stuckey
But with Stuckey not being a very good PG or SG, with Gordon being streaky as hell, and with Bynum sadly no longer being MFWB, how is it Rip gets no playing time in the last game?
Mephis Trade!!!! Assuming the Rip Hamilton trade goes through...
OJ Mayo and Thabeet for Stuckey, Maxiell, Wilcox and a draft pick…DO IT JOD!
Lineups:
McGrady/Bynum/White
Gordon/Mayo
Prince/Daye
Monroe/CV
Wallace/Thabeet
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
wait a goddamn minute
did MFTB just advocate a trade for Stuckey?
MFDLN!!
by Mike Payne on Jan 14, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh...I still think he's a franchise sooperstar cornerstone and the roomer is he's got his best shot playing with Conley.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
conley needs an oj type player, imo, who can spread the floor. 2 guards who drive and finish at low %‘s isn’t a winning receipe. Now, thabeet for stuckey, i’d do that….
by C$ on Jan 14, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
i think he’d fit well next to monroe and cv. how would you value stuckey? do you think he’s worth much more then a busted #2 pick? That’s what we traded him for in the first place…..
by C$ on Jan 14, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Hasheem Thabeet has never been good
Not even in college. Not even in the D-League. I just don’t get it. Have we learned nothing from Mouhamed Sene?
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splitting hairs to say he’s never been good. 4 blocks per game in college is good. 13/11 in d-league sounds ok. i think the main point here is he can’t play point and BG is better at the two. For the money he’s gonna cost the best move would be to trade him now.
by C$ on Jan 14, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
But I agree that Stuckey can’t play point and BG is better at the two. For the money he’s gonna cost the best move would be to trade him now. I just think that we could do better – like Anthony Randolph for starters.
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by Shinons on Jan 14, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i’d be fine with Randolph, as well. Or Brandan Wright.
by C$ on Jan 14, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Plus he has that good ol’ Pistonian chip on his shoulder that has got us into the enviable position we’re currently in.
./snarkasourus rex
//butseriously,it’sworthashot
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 14, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
ughhh
anybody see this?
Chris Iott: Comment on the bottom of my game story last night suggests new Pistons owners will replace Joe Dumars with Magic Johnson. #Ihavenothingtoadd yesterday
While i’m sort of indifferent about JoD right now, I do remember Magic’s late night show…and his coaching. He was great in that Micheal Jackson video though.
I saw that, I think he was talking about a comment on one of his articles
I assume somebody posted a comment on a story he had written suggesting that Johnson would replace Dumars. With that, there’s no troof to da roomer.
MFDLN!!
Think Dumars might want to alert Prince as to what’s going on so he stops thinking it was Kuester’s (perceived dumb) idea to sit Hamilton?
“Tayshaun was informed,” said a Compton, Calif., confidant. “He was taking a shot at his coach.”
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/all_about_anthony_g4L1KKGuR37a9IIkff10rM
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..but many of his sources come from a parallel universe. He’s best not taken seriously at all, and read just for the one liners.
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by V. on Jan 15, 2011 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
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