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Free agents you want to keep, free agents you don't


Detroit has some free agents on it's current roster that can be flipped for future assets. The decision about whether to pursue resigning them has to happen before the trade deadline, otherwise their value will drift to nothing on the lottery bound Pistons.  Here's a brief look at the four '11 free agents on the Pistons and some ideas on how Joe Dumars should proceed.

 

1) Tayshaun Prince - unrestricted - $11.1M expiring:

It's possible Joe Dumars wants Tayshaun to be a Piston for life. I'm OK with that, Tay is a brilliant player who helps direct traffic on offense and defense for all 5 positions. He's got a ring, a gold medal, and a zillion consecutive game streak in his record book and I think he's worth resigning. I'm also OK with flipping him for an asset and making him a Piston for almost life and resigning him next season if that's possible. Ben Wallace doesn't seem to have lost any love by his detour to Chicago and Cleveland. Swapping Tay for Caron Butler and a pick wouldn't be a bad deal.

 

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2) Tracy McGrady - unrestricted - $.85M expiring: You have to flip him to a contender for an asset. You can probably get a good young player under a rookie deal that isn't getting burn by trading him to a playoff club. Keeping him is insane. I'm a big McGrady fan for his entire career and if you want to make a run at him as a '11 FA, great, but you have to juice this orange while it's ripe. T-Mac to Miami for Dexter Pittman and a second round pick?

 

3) Chris Wilcox - unrestricted - $3M expiring: It looked like nobody would want Wilcox but he may be playing himself into asset status with his recent run. I'm not sure you can get a lot for him but a playoff team that lacks depth might want him. Maybe a three-way deal that sends him to the Heat?

 

4) Rodney Stuckey - restricted - $2.8 (est. '11 salary - ???): This is the hard one. If Dumars believes Stuckey to be a future core player on championship, you keep him. If you don't, you move him this year to a team that wants depth. Stuckey looks like one of the Pistons best players in all the statistical models but I just don't think he that great a basketball player. He reminds me a little of Richard Jefferson in that he can do almost everything, but he doesn't seem to have the instincts to do it when it counts. Jefferson has been great this year for the Spurs but that doesn't erase a huge chunk of overpaid mediocrity. I don't want to buy a huge chunk of overpaid mediocrity. Trade him.

 

What do you think?

Poll
Which Detroit free agent do you want to see traded?
All of them
31 votes
Tayshaun Prince
17 votes
Tracy McGrady
15 votes
Rodney Stuckey
22 votes
Chris Wilcox
6 votes
None of them
9 votes

100 votes | Poll has closed

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I vote all of them

we need a complete refresh, and none of these should be in our future plans. No offense to any of them, and I appreciate what each of these has brought to the franchise, even you Wilcox, you beast of late.

MFDLN!!

by Mike Payne on Jan 20, 2011 2:19 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

I vote also all of them.

However, if there is the chance to hire new coach,
I would like to re-sign Tay with reasonable price.
Prospect SFs Jonas and Daye are both young,
they need veteran backup.

Just OKpinion.

Where broken English happens

by OK from J on Jan 20, 2011 2:30 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec’d fir OKpinion.

by -PS- on Jan 20, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I also would add that I think the way to maximize our current resources is via trade, not Free Agency.

I was thinking about this last night during the game. Best as I can figure, Jod’s plan appears to be:

  • Subtract McGrady, Wilcox, and Prince
  • Re-sign Stuckey
  • Add a big man via free agency

I don’t see how that improves in any meaningful way. If we don’t manage to flip some of our current players / FAs into some combination of picks, players, or additional financial flexibility, I’m even less optimistic about the next several years.

The other interesting layer would be S&T’s, but the obvious problem is that it’s very hard to pull off in the first place, let alone a team that is under the cap (due to how high the cap holds would be for Stuckey and Prince, eg).

by brgulker on Jan 20, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

What's the market rate for Tayshaun Prince?

I have to think he has a 3yr offer out there at anywhere from $8-10 M/per year. Is he worth that to a rebuilding Pistons team? I say yes but I’m a big Prince fan.

by joejoejoe on Jan 20, 2011 2:40 AM EST reply actions  

Houston, Dallas, Golden State

any team with a large expiring contract and a young asset or pick

Would the Clippers consider moving Kaman for Prince? Do the pistons want Kaman?

by mgoblue4ever on Jan 20, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, Kaman’s an injury risk, plus Mike Payne has laid down the law on why Kaman is overrated several times on this site. Basically, he doesn’t improve his team at all while being a 15-10 center, which means you have to be doing something terribly wrong. I don’t want Kaman either.

by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 20, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Kaman.

But I was saying Boo-urns, too.

by garrettelliott on Jan 20, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't bring me into this Garrett...

Although I like Kaman as well.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jan 20, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It's The Other Way Around

I think if the Pistons wanted Kaman, a deal would have been done eons ago.

As for the three teams you mentioned, to get asset or pick, you need to deal Tay to a contender and sell him a missing piece of the puzzle. This eliminates GSW. As for Houston or Dallas, is Tay an upgrade over their starting SF? Particularly Dallas, which has no shortage of wing players either.

just Vpinion

by V. on Jan 20, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually With Butler being out for the season with an injury

The Mavs would have serious use for a starting SF.

"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS

by bugman222 on Jan 20, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Where In The West Would He Go?

I’m talking about free agency, where he’ll have plenty of options this summer. We should trade him to wherever we can get value back. But in free agency, he’ll have options like these playoff teams in the summer:

Dallas
Utah
Denver (could likely remain a .500+ team without Anthony)

If Tay wants a homecoming, expect either LA team to be interested. The Clips would likely love him as a starter, the Lakers would love him to split minutes at the 3 with Artest (they’re losing Barnes this summer). So where in the West would he go? The options are plentiful.

MFDLN!!

by Mike Payne on Jan 20, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

This is such an interesting question

I would think Tay will want an annual salary comparable to what he’s currently getting for the next 3 years. He’s still young enough that he can probably get 7-9 mil from somebody. But, I can’t see any contenders paying him that. Denver might have that flexibility. Dallas won’t. Utah won’t. Lakers won’t. Spurs won’t. And on down the line.

MLE and the shot at the chip or one more large contract? I think that’s the choice he’ll have to make.

by brgulker on Jan 20, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m thinking Tay is the kind of guy who’d absolutely take an MLE level contract to play on a contender or even a middling playoff team. The exception is probably the Clippers, where he might take a longer-term MLE to be a vet voice as that team grows to replace one of the top 5 in the west in two years or so. Beyond that, yeah Denver might be able to (and might try to) out-spend the others to give Tay a 7-9 mil contract if they don’t like the other options on the market (if they don’t trade Carmie for a 3).

MFDLN!!

by Mike Payne on Jan 20, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade TMac...For Someone Like DeAndre Jordan?

Especially since Eric Gordon hurt himself last night and will likely be out a while?

Problem is, Clips are going nowhere this year, they could go 30-10 rest of the way and miss the playoffs. You could possibly sell this deal if their record was better.

Can I Red Panda myself for even thinking about this (now you know why I don’t do trades)?

just Vpinion

by V. on Jan 20, 2011 4:09 AM EST reply actions  

I could've been a contender instead of a bum...ugh...Clipper

As you said, I don’t think the Clippers are a contender. T-Mac to the Bulls makes sense too.

by joejoejoe on Jan 20, 2011 5:42 AM EST up reply actions  

if

the pistons could get DeAndre Jordan in a three team trade that would be nice

by mgoblue4ever on Jan 20, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

the Clippers

would be out of their mind to trade Jordan— you don’t let go that kind of talent on a restricted contract.

MFDLN!!

by Mike Payne on Jan 20, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

which is why we should ask for Griffin instead

I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short

by bearded thundar on Jan 20, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

good point

I’m thinking something like this maybe?

aminu’d!

MFDLN!!

by Mike Payne on Jan 20, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, No Deal

Making us taking Aminu is a deal killer.

just Vpinion

by V. on Jan 20, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Aminu

Actually hasn’t been bad. I’ve been surprised.

by brgulker on Jan 20, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I love that Hollinger only has this

Adding 4(!!!) wins to the Pistons. How does that even make sense within his system? Gordon and Griffin BOTH have PER’s over 20! Rip is at, like, a league average PER. HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE??? (Oh, right. It’s based off a Hollinger statistic.)

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by Thom_not_Tom on Jan 20, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s time to start shopping TMac + Rip as a package deal. Honestly, no one’s taking Rip without a sweetener, and we’re screwed until we can get rid of him. I still think Dallas would at least consider it, if only for TMac alone.

by brgulker on Jan 20, 2011 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

Package deals are the way to go. I like Prince+Wilcox to SAC for Dalembert—expirings for expiring, saves DET a little money this year, and maybe we have the inside track to re-sign him.

by -PS- on Jan 20, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

At the very least, Bird Rights.

by brgulker on Jan 20, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Bird rights < red panda rights

by -PS- on Jan 20, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Rip and Tay to Utah for Andrei Kerilenko

I agree that we need to package Rip with someone to get rid of him

by mgoblue4ever on Jan 20, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

Actually makes sense for Utah

They desperately need a starting SG (Miles has been a good 6th man, though), and Tay offers them at least a comparable starting 3 and an expiring deal to replace AK47’s. They’re built to be a contender right now, and putting Rip in a well-coached offensive system with a league-best facilitator could revive his career.

"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08

by Thom_not_Tom on Jan 20, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Jonas

Perhaps Stuckey if the price is very good.

Beyond that I’d look for package trades, like PS suggested. It can either be for better players, expiring, picks or just to get out of bad contracts. This rosters could use a do over and I’d try to move every long term high salary guy, and if smaller pieces be needed then I’d have no problem with adding them.

Jonas, jag älskar dig! Du är vacker.

by Kriz on Jan 20, 2011 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

How in the world did we forget about Jonas!

by brgulker on Jan 20, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

This thread

feels like soul searching. Very depressing.

by Danny D on Jan 20, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Tay is a brilliant player

Hyperbole for the win. I know they use the word “Brilliant” in the UK frequently, but in my lexicon it is saved for the truly outstanding. In my recollection, Tay has had one truly outstanding moment (I’ll let you figure out which one), and one outstanding series against Orlando. Otherwise, I would never describe Tayshuan as “brilliant”.

Wilcox is fool’s gold. I believe that we’re seeing “expiring contract” Wilcox, not “this is the guy you get all the time” Wilcox. Let’m walk.

by Big Z in Orlando on Jan 20, 2011 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

I meant 'brilliant' like 'smart'

 I think Tay is a bit like John McEnroe in understanding his sport. It’s a blessing (he’s had a great career) and a curse (he sees all the mistakes the team is making when they suck). I think Prince’s understanding of the game is what makes him a brilliant (smart) player and a great complimentary player. I don’t mean to say Prince is a brilliant performer, although as a team player on an elite team in his youth, he was brilliant.

by joejoejoe on Jan 20, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

What About "Lovely" & "Smashing"?

Kind of like the British version, of “long, smooth and can stroke it”.

just Vpinion

by V. on Jan 20, 2011 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

Tay is nothing more than a scrumpet's hair away from being a trollop.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jan 20, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Voted for none of them

Because I thought the question was going to be which free agents do you want resigned. Whoops.

by Not a Gunslinger on Jan 20, 2011 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

I could go either way on almost any of these FA

Stuckey- I would have no problem giving him a bit more than the mid-level for four or five years. Much more than that and he isn’t worth it. He probably has a lot of value around the league so I would have no problem trading him as long as we can get something of value in return

Tay- Trading him makes a lot of sense, but I’m not willing to just give him away. I also would not be adverse to resigning him on the cheap, but I’m guessing he’s going to get more than I’m willing to spend on him. Good luck to him.

T-Mac— I would love to resign him to a two year deal similar to what Ben signed last summer, but I’m guessing he will get a lot more than that from a team with a real chance at contending. Trading him for a decent draft pick probably makes the most sense.

Wilcox— I love what he’s doing right now, but he screams contract year. I’d be willing to resign him to a deal slightly more than a veterans minimum, but not much more. If someone is willing to give us something of value for him, I’d totally listen.

In short- resigning on the cheap= good. Trading for value=good. Resigning for massive contracts=Very bad.

"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS

by bugman222 on Jan 20, 2011 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

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