Morning Shootaround: Palatable Pistons Links, Whatever That Means
Day numero uno of training camp was yesterday, so I think now would be a good time for us to get going again with the morning shootaround the internet for Pistons priming. Where do we start, though?!?!
- Jonas will show us the way.
- 'Ben Wallace all but commits to returning' for a 16th season:
- Vocal leader Tayshaun Prince sat out of practice, but Keith Langlois points out that it was not mutinous behavior; it was "strictly because of formalizing the contract signing," as Joe Dumars said it's just a verbal agreement right now. So you're telling me there's a chance he could still disappear during The Darkest Hour? My sources, or reckless intuition, wants to convince me he'll be traded soon ...
As for Rip: - From Langlois' Day 1 wrap:
- Pistons are reportedly not close to re-signing Stuckey, but Dumars said the ceiling on the contract the team would match is "very high." Get high, ink high dollar contracts.
- Unverified Stuckey Twitter account, which has been retweeted by Pistons beat writers, suggests he wants out of Detroit.
- Frank thinks Brandon Knight can have a big impact in the lockout shortened season, just like Paul Pierce did in 1998-99 and ... Michael Dickerson? Jonas Jerebko was then forced to spew some cliches about the teammate he's had one practice with. Oh, and Jonas...
- After practice, Greg Monroe and Ben Wallace commended Frank for doing a great job with the team in his first practice. Wallace said Frank brought energy and showed leadership. Frank said he's trying to build team unity and brotherhood. Unity and brotherhood >>>> Mutiny and buffoonery.
- I smell a tasty new DBB meme: Joe Dumars pretended he didn't know what 'palatable' means in this 11 minute interview. He also said he expects the Pistons to make the playoffs like he expects LSU to beat Alabama. Alabama alum Vince Ellis said that's not going to happen.
- In case you missed it, the Pistons signed four players to their training camp roster.
- Terrico White and Wrong DaJuan were in camp with the Hornets on Friday.
- Chris Wilcox signed with the Celtics.
- As you know, Lamar Odom was traded to New Orleans before
Khloe KardashianDavid Stern nixed it. Odom's a really sensitive guy, so he cried, showed up late to camp on Friday and then left without practicing. Lakers assistant head coach John Kuester assured head coach Mike Brown that this was totally normal player behavior. - Cat in the house? Don't need more meows.
- I like links. I collect links for the morning shootaround. I can't collect all the links, but I want more links. That's where you come in. Now, your links, and continued good talk.
"Oh no, I'm here," Wallace said. "I'm giving everything I got. At the end of the day, if that's good enough to play on this team, or if I have to sit on the sideline and be a great teammate, that's what I'm going to do."
[Dumars] couldn’t divulge why a buyout instead of the amnesty provision allowed by the new CBA. The likely answer, though, is that a buyout means Hamilton didn’t get the full value of the remaining two years on his contract. The amount of the buyout, under the rules of the old CBA, at least, would be divided over the two years left on his contract for cap purposes.
Dumars said the Pistons will have "a mid-level exception – there are three (different ones) now" at their disposal and he held that out as one possible, perhaps likely, avenue to add another veteran big man to the frontcourt.
With Hamilton removed from the equation, the door is ajar for No. 1 pick Brandon Knight to crack the rotation. Joe D said "sometimes that’s the best thing for a young player, to get thrown into the water." I watched Knight shoot after practice and one thing is immediately clear: He has an effortless NBA 3-point stroke.
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MORNING SHOOTAROUND’S BACK!!!!!!!!!!!! 15 DAYS TILL BASKETBALL!!!!!!!!
by freywagg on Dec 10, 2011 9:16 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
It seems that Joe D. is handling the Rodney Stuckey situation wisely. Let other teams determine his value first before making an extension offer.
Nice to see Terrico White getting a chance to prove himself in New Orleans. I’m curious to see how he does there.
And LOL at John Kuester’s comment regarding Lamar Odom. That quote goes a long way toward summarizing his first experience as a head coach during his tenure here in Detroit.
Here's what bothers me.
Pistons are reportedly not close to re-signing Stuckey, but Dumars said the ceiling on the contract the team would match is “very high.” Get high, ink high dollar contracts.
Now, I’m hoping that’s just JoD being crafty, but I don’t want them to match a contract that’s “very high”.
Because, you know, Stuckey is sucky.
/3rdgrade’d
All the time relaxed.
How high could very high be?
His $3.8 million qualifying offer is pretty much the floor. But how high is Dumars going to go?
I doubt he is going to drive the salary up towards the luxury tax on his first year with Gores, especially when we aren’t contending. Given that we are basically at the salary cap, that’s probably $11 mil more.
I also think he is going to sign another big man, probably with the MLE, which would be up to $5 mil and he’d have to think he’ll need all of that if he we really are going to contend this year.
So how high is he willing to go? Probably $6 mil per/year, maybe more. Frightening, right?
However… He also saved the amnesty provision, implying
a) were going to use it
b) he wants us to be under the salary cap afterwards
So if Chuckles is the one about to get amnestied, that means that we can only add on $8 mil more of salary above where we are now if we want to be under the salary cap after the amnesty.
Hopefully Joe thinks about this and keeps Stuckey’s salary in the $4-5 million range.
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
Amnesty's being saved till next year.
I think they’ll see where we are with Gordon and Villanueva and then make a decision which one to toss. We’ll have Max off the books, either Gordon or Villanueva off the books, and they’ll have had this year with a respectable coach to determine what pieces they actually have going forward. Getting free agents next year is more sensible than this year anyway.
After last year, no one learned anything about the talent on this team – just individual players character.
Honestly, since BG and Charlie are the only two players that will still be amnesty-able next year, I could see them not using it at all if there’s no FA they think will make this team significantly better.
from what i can gather
as of now, if Damien Wilkins was a legit addition for whatever reason, the Pistons have 11 players under contract. I’m going to make some assumptions that Prince and Jerebko have escalating contracts to some degree. Included Knight, Wilkins, and Macklin. Included Rip’s buyout. One open roster spot charge.
Pistons current payroll situation: $53.5 million. Not as bad as I thought. $5 million below the cap. $17 million below the luxury line.
In completely surprising news
The Bulls have interest in Rip:
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/7337987/source-chicago-bulls-plan-pursue-rip-hamilton
Is that truly surprising?
I bet you they contacted Rip’s agent about their interest a long time ago. Why else would he agree to a buyout instead of trying to force the Pistons to amnesty his contract? He gets less money this way, but he’ll get plenty of money back from Chicago as well as being able to sign with them now rather than wait until next year and likely be waived anyways since his contract isn’t fully guaranteed at that point
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 10, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I thought everyone here already knew that I use fourier transforms to convert sarcasm into literals
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by bearded thundar on Dec 10, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Breaking down the Dumars interview
Internal monologue of the guy in the background at the beginning of the Dumars interview, who is both disgusted and transfixed by Joe Dumars’ minor acne problem:
10:14 – “Oh … oh God.”
10:00 – “Sweet Christ, I can’t even look.”
9:56 – “… and yet I must.”
9:35 – “Maybe it’s something else. Poison ivy?”
9:18 – “Jesus, what if it’s contagious?”
9:06 – “I wonder if it’s on his legs, too?”
9:05 – “I’m not sure, because he’s wearing pants.”
…
3:49 – “Hmm, I think my mustache is coming in.”
by excellent dinosaur on Dec 10, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
only a verbal contract with
Tayshaun…. I wonder what that means
by Taiwanese Tora on Dec 10, 2011 12:33 PM EST reply actions
maybe looking for a sign and trade partner?
I dont know how feasible that is really but it would be nice. I’m not a big fan of having tayshaun on the roster anymore, either BG or CV. However, I guess we couldn’t just blow it all up this season and go with a bunch of young players, scrubs until the draft next year. I think losing Singler for the season made us sign Prince.
I can't remember for certain but with sign & trades, when you do them...
can you combine the player that is being signed and traded with another player? My recollection is the answer is no, but we might be able to move CV + Tay if the answer is yes.
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by The Boourns on Dec 10, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Watching the interview, I wouldn't take too seriously the Stuckey thing.
He preceded the “way up there” quote with “a lot of teams are listening to you right now” and followed with a laugh. He just said the only thing he’s supposed to say.
I also though interesting that he kept coming back to ’it’s Stuckey’s first negotiation" and did so with a sort of mischievous smile. I’d say they threw a number Stuckey didn’t like and the kid didn’t react well. Looked like he was making fun of him.
It has to be taken into account, it is Joe. You just never Know.
WWGMD?
I found the stuckey thing hillarious
Seriously one of the reasons I love basketball so much is the business aspect to it. Sports seems like the last laissez faire markets left. I like how JoeD is sorta (dont beat me up) schooling him on negotiation. At the same time he seems to be making a joke of the situation as if to say, “its just business kid relax”. We sometimes forget these are really just highly paid kids who have alot to learn. Or maybe im just reading way to much into it but i found Joes response utterly hilarious.
Joe did manage in business management back in the day, I would say that now that he has a real owner backing him up you can see him going to work with these contracts. Shedding Rip for half the amount it would take to amnesty him, likely low-balling Stuckey (at least in Stuckey/his agent’s minds) and I’m agreeing that the fact that Prince hasn’t officially signed a contract yet means he’s going to be part of a sign+trade. He’s starting to look like the Joe of old; if he turns this bitch around in under 2 years I think everyone has to chalk up previous management for all the shitty deals
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by bearded thundar on Dec 10, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh... delusion.
I, too, am still grasping at the slim hope that this horrible, horrible Tayshaun signing is part of a sign-and-trade.
things don't add up
Why would you bring in new ownership, buyout Rip, laugh at Stuckey’s negotiations put out that you are giving Prince a decently long term deal only for it to be finalized yet? I would rather hope the Pistons have something in the works already and are simply trying to drive up the asking price.
Just look at it from Prince’s perspective, why the bloody hell would he want to come back here? Rip sacrificed about $11 million to get out asap, considering Tay was half the problem last year I can’t see him wanting to come back here when he has other suitors in a better position than we are. I’m guessing either the Pistons can offer him the most in a sign+trade or at the very least Joe convinced him to agree as a favor for all the stuff he’s gotten from the organization
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by bearded thundar on Dec 10, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
"He’s starting to look like the Joe of old...."
Be careful son, them’s fightin’ words in these parts…
(Where’s Walter Brennan when I need him?)
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 10, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
vgoodwill Vincent Goodwill
Source confirms: #Pistons buyout of Richard Hamilton in the neighborhood of $8 million. Which is why no Amnesty Clause. $11M in savings
WWGMD?
wow
dude really wanted the hell out.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
I strongly think that he already has a few options lined up
Once again it makes no sense to sacrifice that much money unless if you know you can get it back elsewhere shortly after and play where you want
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 10, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Some of the Chicago rumors say he could get a 10 million, 2 year contract.
So if he does, he’ll get most of that money back. Definitely could have gotten more, but if he wants to finish up playing for a contender (particularly the contender of his choice) he had to give up something.
WWGMD?
He saw their tourism guide
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by bearded thundar on Dec 10, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
He wants to win? What be shuttled from one no-win situation to another?
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dont forget
Clevland said he could play for them or be bought out. His choice. He didn’t want to leave money on the table. Now he leaves 11 million? Doesn’t make sense. Very nice negotiating by dumars. If the clvland rumors were to be taken seriously.
by Danny D on Dec 10, 2011 3:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah who cares if it doesn't make sense...
if we had traded him to cleveland, we would have given up a draft pick to do so. Instead, we buy him out for $8-$10M and he leaves us with a respectable amount of cash to work with.
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by The Boourns on Dec 10, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
It makes perfect sense
Last year, he could have gotten bought out by Cleveland then sign a vet min deal with Chicago. Now, he gets bought out and will sign a $10 million contract with Chicago. Big difference…
he did the pistons a favor
if the reports were true and we were giving up a pick to send him there. now he did then another. what a stand up guy.
by mcflies on Dec 10, 2011 7:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Palatable AND Impactful
A couple more of these and poor MP’s going to do a Regan Blair impression.
I see CB going to Miami, since LA insists on CP3 (why, I have no clue, not at that price), but maybe he comes back to Detroit. You just never know.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 10, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
A couple more of these and poor MP’s going to do a Regan Blair impression.
Huh?
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSxuXQCEC7M&feature=relmfu
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 10, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
I understand who reagan blair is, not sure what is has to do with me or what a “couple more of these” are.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
Well...
I thought the prospect of Dumars making correct GM decisions might be enough to make your head do a 1080 and spit pea green soup, but what do I know?
Actually, there are people out there who actually hate Dumars even more blindly than you.
I know this is crazy, but if he could get Chauncey to come back home, and make a run at Gasol or Nene….one can hope, right?
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 10, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
even more blindly than you
Dude, I don’t blindly hate Dumars. My opinion towards Dumars isn’t “blind” nor is it “hatred”. To suggest my opinion is blind is to suggest that it has no logical or objective base. All I ever do when I criticize Joe is use objective means to state my claim. It’s kind of insulting to suggest otherwise.
Second, I don’t hate Joe Dumars. I love his playing career, I love his sportsmanship, and I feel that at one time he was the greatest GM in the league and one of the best in league history. I’ve been very angry at Joe Dumars and I do not trust him anymore, I haven’t for years. I don’t like Joe as a GM and I don’t want him in charge of my hobby any longer. I may say “fuck Joe” or “he’s got a fat head” or other more colorful, hyperbolic things, but I don’t hate dude.
I thought the prospect of Dumars making correct GM decisions might be enough to make your head do a 1080 and spit pea green soup, but what do I know?
I give Joe credit when it is due. Remember that whole Tracy McGrady signing, when everyone felt that the sky was falling? I immediately commended him and said it was a smart move. When we signed Ben Wallace, I was thrilled and said it was an excellent move by Joe.
Continuing on the theme of “giving credit where it is due”, I don’t give Joe any lick of credit for cutting Rip. I give Tom Gores credit for it. It’s hard to give Joe Dumars credit for finally resolving a very expensive mistake he made in 2008 that netted us nothing in the process and nothing in return. That’s like congratulating someone for getting out of prison. “Good job buddy, awesome work getting out of jail!”
/end rant
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
Yeah we know Mike..
And when this team gets turned around and back to playoff glory,you will give Gores all of the credit for that too..We know..we now.
And here I thought your trolliosis was in remission, Roco
Gores is responsible for financial management, Dumars is responsible for roster management. This was a financial move that Dumars couldn’t execute independently. This was a Gores move.
If we get back to playoff glory, it will be because our GM made wise roster management decisions. Every time our GM does those, regardless of who that GM might be, I will applaud them.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
Not sure why you would care
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
I just want credit where it's due that's all
You have this hatred for the legend Joe D,and when this team gets back to greatness,it would be a shame for you to shy away when it happens. But if/when you do I will be here to call you out on it..No worries there.
You have this hatred for the legend Joe D
Apparently, you didn’t read my comment just a few lines above the one you just typed:
“I don’t hate Joe Dumars. I love his playing career, I love his sportsmanship, and I feel that at one time he was the greatest GM in the league and one of the best in league history. I’ve been very angry at Joe Dumars and I do not trust him anymore, I haven’t for years. I don’t like Joe as a GM and I don’t want him in charge of my hobby any longer. I may say "fuck Joe" or "he’s got a fat head" or other more colorful, hyperbolic things, but I don’t hate dude.”
I just want credit where it’s due that’s all
again, from that comment above:
“I give Joe credit when it is due. Remember that whole Tracy McGrady signing, when everyone felt that the sky was falling? I immediately commended him and said it was a smart move. When we signed Ben Wallace, I was thrilled and said it was an excellent move by Joe.”
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
ive dedicated the computer in the batcave towards cross referencing everything you have ever written to look for contradictions. so far i’ve invested 45 hrs in doing this but man is it going to be worth it.
by dandresden on Dec 13, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
True story
as an intern in a Detroit Federal District Court Judge’s chambers, I spent roughly 5 times that amount of time hand-cataloging writ of habeas corpus cases into an excel sheet to check for potential contradictions in ruling.
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lets be honest...
you only commended the McGrady signing because Steve Kays wrote it first.
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by The Boourns on Dec 14, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I was on ESPN.com
and saw a link that said “Coon: on Gilbert’s letter.” I totally read that the wrong way. It turns out, it’s just Larry Coon’s take on Dan Gilbert’s letter.
Just thought I’d share.
What would Earl Boykins do?
It's an unverified account, true.
but Jonas’ verified account told people to follow it. Keith Langolis and other beat writers follow it and RT it with some regularity.
Even if not verified, it’s got some credibility.
well, he’s from that area. too bad they have felton and no cap space. if he wants out he’s just going to have take the qualifying offer. then we can trade him midseason.
by mcflies on Dec 10, 2011 7:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Day two of Training Camp was much better, morale & attitude wise.
I know because I read one of the trainer’s notes today. I walked around the facility some, met Dee Brown & Coach Frank (Super nice cat, I told him it was great to have him in Detroit and I’m excited for the new 3/4 season). Everybody there calls Brian Hill “B-Hill” which I think for a dude in his 60s is pretty funny. The young & the nasty Monroadwarrior, Jerebko, Daye, and even Tayshaun went across the parking lot after practice to take in the Michigan Mens’ BB game. Everybody seemed pretty positive today. I think it’s really good that Hamilton’s moving on, McGrady’s gone- and Ben Wallace is back. The only thing I’m worried about is Stuckey’s attitude, but something tells me Coach Frank is approaching this team a little differently than his predecessors.
This is going to be a better season than the previous one, my friends.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
by Skylar on Dec 10, 2011 10:48 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
how do you have access to the training facility? Or am I missing some kind of sarcasm in this post?
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by The Boourns on Dec 10, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
how do you have access to the training facility? Or am I missing some kind of sarcasm in this post?
Definitely no sarcasm to my post. My brother’s contracting and doing some tech support/consultation at Camp so I went to that Michigan game with him (Looks like Morris leaving might actually work out fine for them, Trey Burke is fantastic already) and went to the building to check out what’s doing. I’m only posting what I think is appropriate. There’s stuff they’re doing there that I’d like to comment on but I don’t know if they’re unique to Detroit’s front office or not, and I’m Detroit to the marrow, so I don’t wanna disclose anything I shouldn’t. Never that.
When can you share? looking forward to it man.
I might not shoot a fanshot after all, just because I don’t know if I have enough content to fill one with. Yesterday’s probably the only time I will go there, at least until sometime during the season. I’ll keep you guys posted, of course. Like I said, I think this is going to be a better season than last year. We deserve it.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Good stuff, Skylar.
Thanks for sharing what you have.
so awesome, MFSKY
I imagine this relates to the comment you shared about your brother recently. When can you share? looking forward to it man.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
keeping it real
My view is this: When Dumars played toward the latter of his career, he came to camp out of shape. There were even problems with Doug Collins when he coached with us. And now that Joe has moved into the front office, it’s been a roller coaster of a ride to say the least. We got some players, and our first coach was Rich Carslile. After two- 50 win seasons, they let Rich go due to whatever conflicts that upper management had. As everyone knows, we got Larry Brown, and Rasheed, and we won the title, and narrowly missed the back-to-back. After LB made a statement about coaching the Knicks as a dream job, they let him go. Then, Flip comes in. He unleashes the team’s muzzle, if you will, and we won 64 games. The ECF collapses are well known if you are reading in the forum. Dumars had enough, even though we won 59 games that year, and decided to go with Michael Curry. Stuckey had done well in those playoffs. So, we trade Chauncey, start 4-0, and we get AI. AI was supposed to be some experiment that if everything goes well, we win. Well, that was a huge disaster, which included Rip, and Rip and Michael didn’t get along, so the coach leaves, as does AI. Yes, don’t forget, we got Darko as our second pick in the draft of ‘03. Now, let’s bring some has beens back, hire John Kuester, and according to Rodney, they were a top team. WELL, that didn’t happen. If there was ever a team disaster, we were the poster child of that. So now we have Lawrenece Frank, let Rip go, resign Tayshaun, waiting to see about Stuckey, etc.. When will the Detroit world say Dumars, your time has come. Dumars is the problem here. Dumars since day one arguably, has fostered, created, been involved in a coach killing environment. Does he get a pass since he’s been in D-town since 85? He’s quiet, soft spoken, always looks thoughtful? Don’t you think Rasheed fell into our lap from Portland via Atlanta? Do you think Darko was the right pick? Imagine if Wade was drafted, and the all stars we could’ve had, not MIami. Dumars has been Mr. Consistant as the problem, not the solution. Losers talk about how hard it is to do his job. Winners, go out and get Wade, Bosh, James, Gasol for Kwame Brown, the Boston big three, OKC’s team, the Lakers revamping again, New York getting their players: Winners realize it’s hard, and go out and get the JOB DONE!! Not complain about how difficult it is. If all of us want to see Detroit win, first, start with getting rid of Dumars. Next, get a coach who has a presence that commands respect. Frank will not. Third, get rid of the has beens and the attitude players who have poisoned the team. The Pistons are a laughing stock. The jumbotron had a suggestino on it for fans to go somewhere else to have fun? Are you serious? I don’t want to hear about some muzzle placed on Joe due to the sale of the team and all that b.s. He’s a loser, period. He doesn’t respect this organization, the coaches, the team, and CANNOT do the job he does. He is inept. Joe is in over his head. Until we get rid of Joe, we will not win. He expects us to go the playoffs. Remember Jim Mora who coached the Colts a few years ago and said, playoffs, you’re talking about playoffs? Stuckey was supposed to lead us, Maxiell was supposed to be Ben Wallace the second. And Tayshaun? I fell as though he has underdevolped more then anyone else. Or, just cannot deliever more. A few years ago, Scottie Pippen said Tayshaun was the next Scottie. NOT!! Even L.B. said to the other players that if Tayshaun didn’t want the ball don’t pass it to him. A leader? Oh NO! Now we have Frank, who allegedly, taped a conversation that Bob Knight gave to the players at half time that was a tirade of yelling and cussing. This was done will Frank was an assistant. A snitch? we have a snitch of a coach? Someone who has lost 16 games in a row? He’s a joke. But, no real person for now would be part of this joke of an organization.
by titletown899004 on Dec 11, 2011 12:17 AM EST reply actions
More in a second.
I wrote a book about time travel. Buy it and/or die. http://www.thetimetravelguide.com
Now your next moves in a second.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
Your next moves would be a massive mistake.
by -PS- on Dec 11, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Long, wordy paragraphs full of jargon are trying to read and concise sentences have more clarity. Considering how much they hurt my eyes, we should just set a reply word limit now
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Let me summarize this with three points:
Joe Dumars has performed questionably
Rhetorical questions + All Caps for emphasis = Strong arguments
Paragraphs are for amateurs
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
by tads on Dec 11, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd for trying to read
should have been difficult/annoying
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
MFMP Is that you?
Stop playing around man!! Lmao
well
at least I see periods and commas
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
my computer
just snow crashed.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
by Mike Payne on Dec 11, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
in Florida? amazing!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
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the metaverse is temperature neutral.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
What about the Underverse?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
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Multiverse ftw

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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Snow Crash
Probably my favorite book of all time.
I’m not really sure why. And I’m not sure it should be. But I adored that novel.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you and me both'd
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
It’s on my Kindle and will hopefully be next in the reading queue after I finish Hunger Games. I promised my wife I’d read it and so far it’s not bad.
by garrettelliott on Dec 12, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I have the old school 3G version with a keyboard. My wife and I both have one, actually. I think they’re awesome, especially because you can pack it with books that you…..acquire….from teh interwebs, if you know what I’m saying. I think everyone should have an e-reader.
by garrettelliott on Dec 12, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Surely even in socialist Canada they have copyright laws.
I wrote a book about time travel. Buy it and/or die. http://www.thetimetravelguide.com
by heWizard on Dec 12, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This is just what I’ve heard from other people.
by garrettelliott on Dec 12, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
just started reading The Hunger Games
From what i’ve seen so far, the author does a great job of developing her characters. Quality read
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by bearded thundar on Dec 12, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
snow crash is epic
you will adore it, MFGE (first hundred pages are head-scratchy, then it’s an amazing ride from there)
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
I read the Hunger Games trilogy
In about 3 weeks. I couldn’t put them down. Really enjoyed them. Snow Crash is a lot longer book, so it’s gonna take a while to get through..
FWIW, I own a Galaxy Tab 10.1, and I do all my reading on there now. Love it.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
What are you reading next? READY PLAYER ONE?!?!?! :D
by garrettelliott on Dec 12, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Have you people watched LSU this season?
That team’s a fucking menace. They’re terrifying. I don’t even watch their games. I just assume they’re winning.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 11, 2011 4:18 AM EST reply actions
I watched the LSU-'Bama game
Was fucking beautiful, it brought a tear to my eye. It reminded me of my own wolverines before Rich Rod (was near bawling after the OSU win)
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I sure have.
LSU’s defense is outstanding along with their special teams. But I still have reservations about their offense — specifically quarterback play. Both QBs they have running the offense are trash. And because of that, I question whether LSU would be able to match a team score for score without relying on winning the turnover battle if they were put into that situation.
Anyway, I think Oklahoma State can beat ‘em. But it’s too bad that we won’t be able to see that matchup because of the garbage BCS system.

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