"I just don’t deserve the treatment that I’ve continually gotten," Billups said. "Historically, these things never happen to the supposed great players and good guys. They continually happen to me, and it gets old. Listen, I feel I’ve been blessed in the game, and I’ve been given back, but these things start to wear on you. But there’s not another guy in history who keeps dealing with this, getting thrown into these things to make the money right. I really believe it’s because people take my kindness and professionalism for weakness. They think I’ll be OK with this. I won’t be OK with this. I’ve saved my money. I may just retire if I don’t get my freedom here. - Chauncey Billups
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Throw into these things
Some of the anger coming from Billups here seems to date back to being thrown into the Iverson deal.
he wasn't "thrown in"
He was the center piece
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
thrown not as an afterthought to the deal, but thrust into it without his awareness.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
That is how I meant it
And I’d rank Billups as the third most important part of the Iverson deal in Joe Dumars mind with the first being Iverson, the second being cap space, the third being Billups.
Are you serious?
Rip was going to come off the books with Sheed if it wasn’t for that damn extension. We would have had plenty of cap space, the trade was purely made to get us a superstar – not to get rid of our best player. Even if Joe thought Stuckey would become a better player than Chauncey, he would have to be stupid to just toss him away. I would be absolutely shocked if Joe just drew straws and said “well fuck it, Chauncey’s contract works perfectly in this trade.”
If I recall, there was a rumor about how he originally offered Rip+Tay for Melo and when Denver refused to trade Melo, he went after AI. The trade made sense at the time, because if it didn’t work out the trade would be effectively off the books anyways and Stuckey could in theory take over the team. No one could have predicted just how much of an influence Chauncey had on the old core’s behavior; I always assumed Rip and Tay were professionals and it was only Sheed that acted up.
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Core 5
It was hard for everyone back then to figure out exactly who in the core group of Billups, Rip, Prince, Sheed, and Big Ben was contributing what to the team success.
In hindsight, Billups was contributing a lot more than was noticed.
The Rip extension happened before the AI trade, not after, so yes I am serious about the cap space being a factor. Joe Dumars got AI, a player he had long desired, AND he cap space to remake the team in a younger version if it didn’t work out.
At the time Rip was being talked about like he was a young Reggie Miller with a game that would age well and provide good value.
Incorrect sir
The Rip extension was made after the trade, that’s why people felt that he had no right to complain about his friend being shipped out
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3680959
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
The Ink
Hamilton was extended before the Billups trade, it was announced after the trade.
What if Hamilton had known that Billups was going to be traded? The normally affable Hamilton was so upset by the trade that he didn’t talk to the media for several days. Would Rip have signed his contract extension without Chauncey on the roster? Did the Pistons wait until the contract was signed before making the deal?
"If Rip would have knew that this deal was going on, I just don’t know that he would have signed that extension," Billups said. "It was kind of funny to me that they announced this trade the same day that he signed. I really don’t know. … It just seemed weird to me. He signed that extension three days before the trade. … I think it might have been a little different if all this was exposed early."
that was dispute for a while
But he didn’t officially sign his contract until after the trade, i’m pretty positive keith langlois directly confirmed that
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by bearded thundar on Dec 12, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Even so
You put work into contract negotiations. What’s he supposed to do, go chase Chauncey from team to team? There was a ton of pressure on him, not to mention he probably already verbally committed to the contract and it was all but signed. That kind of contract is what players work their whole lives for. I think the argument that it wasn’t signed until after Chauncey was traded is arbitrary.
I’m on record saying how I think Rip got dealt a shitty hand, and as bad as I think Rip had it Chauncey really got it worse IMO.
I disagree
Getting 12 million a year from a team that, at the time, was still viewed as a contender and that featured you as a main player is not a shitty deal. Did he get a full view of what was happening? No, but this is a business.
in retrospect, of course, I’d rather he know and I’d rather he not sign. Would have prevented a lot of headaches.
WWGMD?
I’m on record saying how I think Rip got dealt a shitty hand
I’m saying he didn’t and neither did Chauncey. Both are being pissy drama queens.
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 12, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand how people can see Rip as a pissy drama queen. I do not understand how the union and owners throw in another amnesty, which was designed for New York last time too, isn’t something to feel sorry for Chauncey about. He was blind-sided, he did his job no matter what bullshit happened along the way, and he’s just a class act as anyone in the league seems to say. I’d be pissed, too.
If the league was targeting Allan Houston with this rule in 05, who do you think they are targeting with this rule now?
meh business is business
I don’t think this time the amnesty had anything to do with NY in particular. If anything teams like the Pistons needed it for more to clean house, and other teams like the Lakers could use it to create cap space. Amnestying Chauncey did nothing for NY in terms of getting a guy like Chris Paul; I don’t see any conspiracy here.
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by bearded thundar on Dec 12, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it was targetting Chauncey.
Look, anyone I engaged with about the subject, I was squarely in the players side during the Lockout. I defend Lebron, Paul, Howard and Melo’s desire to play somewhere that is not the team that drafted them. I am against guaranteed contracts and franchise tags. I wrote a ten pages essay for school arguing the paternalistic culture in team sports, particularly the NBA. I am on the players side, no one can argue me on that.
But once that contract is signed, it is signed with the knowledge that, unless you have a no trade clause, you can be traded. The only thing a contract can guarantee you is money and years. Beyond that once a contract is signed you do it with the knowledge that you may not finish that contract where you started. That is needed for the NBA to function.
If he was being kept from playing basketball I’d get it, because guys like to do what they are paid for. I get money not being enough. But if you have to do it for a shitty team then you do it because that’s what you are paid to do. If teams want to not claim him or want to buy an old guy out of respect for him that’s their prerogative and kudos to them. I don’t think it vilifies them if they don’t and choose to do what’s best for their team.
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 12, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I couldn’t have said it any better myself
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by bearded thundar on Dec 12, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Warning: Blockquoting ahead
He was blind-sided, he did his job no matter what bullshit happened along the way, and he’s just a class act as anyone in the league seems to say. I’d be pissed, too.
Class acts do not tell their Coach to
Suck my dick, bitchas I’ve been told on good authority Hamilton did.
Class acts do not call their Coach, in front of the entire attending roster
a failiure and a career assistantlike Hamilton almost a year ago. Class act? No sir.
he did his job no matter what bullshit happened along the way, and he’s just a class act as anyone in the league seems to say. I’d be pissed, too.
He did his job when it suited him, except when (mind you I cannot prove this, but I think he had alot to do with it) he tried to boycott practice while his team would go on to net 30 wins. That’s super bad for business. Super bad for the franchise. Made me embarrassed as a Pistons fan. ESPN loved it, though.
Did his job? Yeah I guess you could say that. He rode the fuck outta that bench too after turning heel on his coach, avoiding calls from Dumars and Kuester, and being an all-around shithead prick instead of showing that decade’s worth of leadership we know is buried somewhere inside of him.
I think he dealt quite the shitty hand back to this team and this fanbase, after whatever shitty hand was first dealt to him.
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by Skylar on Dec 16, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
and he was traded to his hometown.
if any one did him right when they sent him on his way, it was JoD.
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precisely my thoughts
I don’t think Billups can complain about that trade, especially considering Joe announced there would be moves at the start of the offseason
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Why Not?
It might not be the best situation for him, but it’s not the worst.
1) He comes back to a city where the fans adored him
2) He can serve as mentor to two guards
3) He makes the team more attractive to attracting a quality big man FA.
This would be the only situation where he would come to a rebuilding team, and potentially change the rebuilding to reloading in a hurry.
But, with the Lakers now officially out of the CP3 trade, sounds like Chauncey may find a home in LA. If that happens, as well as D12 going to LA instead of the Nets, you can crown the Lakers champs right there.
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by V. on Dec 11, 2011 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
No offense for Billups
however, we do not need him for mentor role.
I hope him to find the competitive team for another ring.
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I say good for him for speaking out. He’s gotten the shaft over and over again. I hope he doesn’t retire because that seems a bit petty, but I think being vocal and honest about it is the right thing to do.
by garrettelliott on Dec 10, 2011 10:15 PM EST reply actions
Dude just wants to find a home.
I felt so badfor him when he pleaded that he wanted to stay in Denver and retire as a Nugget. Who the F wants to go to Denver anyway?
What would Earl Boykins do?
Billups & thoughts
He’s gotten paid in his career but had very little control of his destiny as a veteran player. I understand why he is pissed off. The NBA has some weird sour mojo happening now.
One of the reasons I like soccer is that teams can just flat sell players to other teams and pocket the transfer fee. You get some crazy situations like with Carlos Tevez and some annoying situations like with Cesc Fabregas and Arsenal/Barcelona but for the most part it is accepted that players play best in situations that they desire and teams accomodate transfer moves, hopefully at a profit. It’s a win for freedom and a win for business.
Then a cheap team like the Clippers can focus on developing and selling talent at a profit, instead of trying to get lucky in the draft. If Donald Sterling could sell Blake Griffin to the Knicks for $50 million dollars cash or the Hornets could just sell Chris Paul to the Lakers for a $50M transfer, it would be better for everybody. The Hornets and Clippers are second rate franchises with little hope of winning. Pulling a Tim Duncan or David Robinson out of the lottery shouldn’t somehow make a third rate city in Texas into a national basketball power.
You get some crazy situations like with Carlos Tevez and some annoying situations like with Cesc Fabregas and Arsenal/Barcelona…
Ah, yes. The ol’ Carlos Tevez and classic Cesc Fabregas scenarios.
by TDP on Dec 10, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
You're Not Paying Attention
The NBA is becoming like the Premier League or La Liga, where the same 5-6 teams stay on top every year. It’s happening in a way different from how soccer works though-it’s theplayers calling the shots, not the owners.
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by V. on Dec 11, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Has it ever worked any different from a reduced number on teams always on top?
I’d say media access, or lack thereof, made it seem like players didn’t do this in decades past.
WWGMD?
Small Market Teams Have Done Well In The NBA
The Pistons and SAS immediately come to mind. By comparison, the Knicks, who seemed to be half a billion over the cap, were the worst over the past several years until very recently.
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by V. on Dec 11, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
The dominance of the Lakers and Celtics did not began this decade.
Historically, Pistons and Spurs are outliers. I do not buy this thing that in the past 5 years a so called parity was lost. The league has never had parity. David Stern’s league was built around superstars and top teams. That’s been going on for a while now and it has made the owners very rich.
Carmelo did not began the trend of demanding trades, its just that now, with 24 hour sports news cycle, insider media, twitter and message board the whole thing is more in your face.
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 12, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Soccer isn't a model
Guys, as a brazilian maybe I have the right to say this: don’t ever desire anything to remind business in soccer.
This whole buying/selling players thing makes money washing such an easy task, just ask kia joorabichian, boris berezovsky, silvio berlusconi and roman abramovich.
The sad part is once they are involved in the dirt, players get dirty. Ronaldo is back at Brazil and just accepted a role as a World Cup executive. Who invited him? Ricardo Teixeira, the one that received bribes to vote for certain countries in World Cup hosting elections.
It is terrible cause we have to watch our national heroes becoming a disgrace. Just imagine if Bob Lanier or Bill Laimbeer accepted being business partners with people that everybody knows that are corrupt.
by Victor Fontana on Dec 11, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Almost All Sports Are Corrupt
Where do you want to begin?
FIFA: How Sepp Blatter isn’t in jail for the shit he’s pulled over the years is a mystery. Not to mention is seems like every third referee is on the take.
MLB: Umpires union represented by mob/thug lawyers
NFL; Historic connection to organized crime since it’s inception. Dan Moldea’s Interference is over 20 years old, but remains the seminal topic on this discussion.
Side note: I knew of one group of pro sports bettors who made a killing many years ago, betting the referee crews and totals; certain ones would call holding whenever it suited them.
NBA: Exhibit A: Game 6, Lakers-Kings; Exhibit B: Game 5 Mavs-Heat .
Tim Donaghy had the right idea, but presented his case poorly.
College Hoops: Boy, do I hear things…like Jake LaMotta did about his old lady. All involving totals and halftimes.
Cricket: Betting scandals about every two years like clockwork.
Horses: Let me put it this way: certain large sportsbooks won’t take bets from certain 2d-tier tracks. They got tired of having 17% the best of it in theory (more on the exotic bets) and having their ass handed to them. When you have a perfecta or a Daily Double with a 7-1 shot and a 4-1 shot paying $13, you know something’s up.
I mean, we’re a pretty corrupt society. Nothing you’re going to tell me here is going to be any revelation whatsoever.
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by V. on Dec 11, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Like KRS-One said back in '88:
“Illegal business controls America.”
Still a quote that’s very relevant today and possibly forever.
by Kruza on Dec 11, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I am talking about systems here
The whole point is the selling/buying players thing is precisely the main mechanism people are using to wash money in soccer. So, you don’t want this system in any other sport.
For sure there is corruption everywhere. It’d be astonishing if there wasn’t a single case in the NBA. But for real, to compare Donaghy – obviously a corruption case – and some referee “mistakes” that we don’t even know if are really corruption to soccer… to Blatter, Havelange, Abramovich, Berlusconi, Berezovsky, Joorabichian, Ricardo Teixeira, Eurico Miranda… These people ain’t historical cases. Most are under investigations right now, and they run the whole business.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to be “the guy who knows the things”. But guys, Silvio Berlusconi running Milan would be the exact same thing as Richard Nixon running the Knicks. This you won’t see in America’s pro-sports. The worst case is maybe Prokhorov, who has in his past the participation in un-regulated privatization of former state-controlled industries after the collapse of the USSR, but even this would be like compare a street burglar to Al Capone.
by Victor Fontana on Dec 12, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
San Antonio?
This makes no sense to me. San Antonio has been a model organization. Yes, they got lucky with a couple of number one picks. But they made the right choice each time. They found Ginobli and Parker and Bowen. The seem to draft a sneaky good player late in the first round every year. They manage to change the guard gradually and smartly enough that they have remained top contenders almost without a break over the past fifteen years. Players seem to show tremendous loyalty and, hence, seem to like how they are treated.
Why in the world should ever championship go to New York or LA? I don’t get your argument here at all.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Dec 11, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
They don't win a title without Duncan though
He was universally considered the #1 overall pick going into the draft. It wasn’t like he was a Cam Newton type pick where people really questioned it at first, but seems to be a smart move now. Don’t get me wrong, I still think they have one of the best management teams in sports, but to say they would have the same success without a bit of a luck is doubtful
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with both of you
You don’t win without Duncan. Undeniable. He’s a huge cog. Then San Antonio simply did what they do. They found players who fill needs, can complement the team, and they give those guys a purpose. They’ve made a good run this way based off a solid core. (And I’ll always want to punch Ginobli in the face). But now they just need to find someone that can compensate for Duncan getting old and retiring. Will they get lucky and keep up the trend? Or will they struggle for a while? Trying to build a new core.
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by JumpingBlob on Dec 12, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
San Antonio, I apologize
I don’t know what I was saying either. I was cranky earlier. San Antonio is perfectly fine.
But as was said elsewhere, if a salary cap restricts income of top players, top players will mostly go to larger markets where they can make more secondary income from endorsements. San Antonio is well managed and deserve their success. Some GMs get Carlos Delfino and Frederich Weis, some get Tony Parker and Ginobili. All credit to San Antonio.
But there’s not another guy in history who keeps dealing with this, getting thrown into these things to make the money right.
Melodramatic much? There’s plenty of players, plenty of good players that have been dealt around over the years.
I love Chauncey, and I understand it’s frustrating, but this whole thing rubs me the wrong way.
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 10, 2011 11:13 PM EST reply actions
The Rodney Dangerfield of the NBA
Billups is likely a HOF guard and he’s been makeweight in two trades and now waived.
I can’t think of any player that good who has been traded twice against his wishes.
this is what restrictions will do
when you put caps on player and team salaries players get treated as business transactions. not to mention the NBA has salary matching on trades. players get thrown into deals just to make the money work. the whole players getting to pick where they play – well if my salary is capped no matter where I live or play I’m pretty sure I’m going to choose the best place. big market teams get huge discounts on stars because their salary is capped. let’s just say the NBA system is flawed, and the system itself creates the very mess it is supposed to be in place to prevent.
The NBA either needs to do one of two things: get rid of the trade match rule, which isn’t possible now with the more restrictive luxury tax, or get rid of the player max rule. If the luxury tax remained how it was and you got rid of the trade match rule teams would be allowed to rebuild much faster and teams at the top would be more competitive. It wouldn’t take as much to go from 5th seed to contender, and it wouldn’t take as much to go from worst to first. If you got rid of the player max it would cost a heck of a lot more to have Lebron on your team than $14.5 million per year making it that much harder to assemble a roster of stars around him. It’s a combination of fucked up rules that keeps the NBA from being competitive, but for some reason they think these rules help them.
As for Chauncey I wish him the best. Dude has been a stand up act no matter where he’s been. I just wonder where he’s going to end up.
by mcflies on Dec 11, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this.
Looking back at the past 40 years, we can certainly find players of his caliber who were moved around in similar ways.
I feel bad for the dude, but no one forced him to sign the contract he did – one that allows his employer to trade him at their discretion.
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The ol’ Carlos Tevez and classic Cesc Fabregas scenarios...explained!
Tevez signed a huge deal to play in Manchester and then refused to enter a game and claimed Manchester made him depressed to be away from his family in Argentina, who might join him if he lived someplace more acceptable like Madrid or Rome. Imagine if Joakim Noah made his comments about Cleveland while playing for Cleveland and imagine Dan Gilbert being the richest man in the world and imagine Joakim Noah pulling a Scottie Pippen and refusing to go into an important game and it is still less ridiculous than the Carlos Tevez saga.
The classic Cesc Fabregas scenario is your straight “I love this team BUT it has always been my dream to play for THAT team for more money so make it happen” scenario. It’s like the Carmelo deal last year, only it went on longer and Cesc Fabregas actually has ties to Barcelona.
Waivers
The right to bid on waived players is an asset to the teams doing the bidding. I’m with Billups in spirit on this one but there is nothing stopping a team from winning the bid, THEN trading his rights to the team that Billups wants to go to for a profit.
Billups is in a tough spot here. I don’t think anybody really thought about how this bidding/waiver thing would look in real life. Veteran players are going to get a very public markdown like they are bruised fruit or day old donuts and they are not going to like it.
Just wondering, who's running the point for NY now?
He was their best passer by far and was arguably the only guy on the team that could get Melo to stop taking bad shots. His contract wouldn’t have affected their chances at CP3, and now that they’ve signed Chandler I don’t think there’s any way they can afford him anyways unless if they manage to swing a deal centered around Melo (imo would be incredibly stupid to trade Amare instead considering how dominant he was without Melo in town).
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 12:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
*correction - traded for, not signed, Chandler
Point still stands though, I don’t see how they can get Paul now unless if they can convince NO to take Melo (which might be viable come to think of it, they got him to sign a fairly long term extension, it’s just an expensive contract for a team owned by the NBA).
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Toney Douglas?
And the Knicks just signed…Mike Bibby. D’Antoni sez they may run a lot of the offense through Carmelo which means the Knicks will suck because Carmelo has about a 1:1 assist to turnover rate. Maybe a waived Baron Davis? I see the Knicks shooting 55% from the field in a lot of games and still losing because they turn the ball over a million times and play no defense.
Toney Douglas isn't a point guard
He’s a small combo guard who’s really athletic. I liked watching him play, but he’s a worse passer than Stuckey – which is just not viable when you have two superstar ballhogs
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
D'Antoni doesn't make the trades though
I bet Mike wanted to keep Billups around and probably was upset with the GM when they amnestied him
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
D'Antoni on Toney Douglas playing PG
"I’m very comfortable with Toney doing it. I think the team will look more like the old Celtic teams when the ball was going through Bird a lot. [Carmelo Anthony] is one of the best passers we have.’’ – NY Post
Except Dennis Johnson was a HOF guard and Danny Ainge was one of the most effective shooters of his era.
And if Carmelo is your best passer, then you know you have a huge problem.
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by The Boourns on Dec 11, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Props For D'Antoni
For keeping a straight face while saying that.
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by V. on Dec 12, 2011 6:06 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Also also,
most skillful passer ≠ most willing passer.
by excellent dinosaur on Dec 12, 2011 7:01 AM EST up reply actions
Well Chauncey, you are getting kind of old...
New york was probably dreaming about getting rid of you and signing Paul anyways. Teams like New York and Denver don’t want a rental, they want a long term solution. If you at 34 might not cut it, you can’t blame New York for not wanting to have you at 35.
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by tads on Dec 11, 2011 9:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
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I don’t know what New York is doing. They have all front court players and no guards. It’s kind of the reverse situation that Detroit has had except, you know, the Knicks front court players are good.
Chauncey is coming off as uncharacteristically overdramatic.
..but I agree with some of the above sentiments, like
Billups is likely a HOF guard and he’s been makeweight in two trades and now waived.
I can’t think of any player that good who has been traded twice against his wishes.
we live in strange NBA times. Billups chose some goofy wording, but he has a point, to a degree.
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by Skylar on Dec 11, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sam Cassell
a similarly good PG. played for 8 teams. traded 7 times. think you’d be content if you found a PG that averaged 19/7 but apparently not.
by mcflies on Dec 11, 2011 12:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
To be fair, we are talking about two of the ugliest men to walk the earth. Billups looks like one of Fat Albert’s friends.
But at the same time, I think those are both those kind of players that you really only appreciate if you really watch basketball. Nobody’s getting excited about Billups over Iverson if you don’t watch the NBA religously. But if you do, you know that’s awful.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 11, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
As a contributer of thousands of DBB comments that contribute nothing to conversations
Game recognize Game son.
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by Skylar on Dec 11, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I don't know why the hell I never thought of this before...
but I want the next WTHITGA to be MFSkylar.
by madpoopz on Dec 11, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Cosigned.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 12, 2011 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Same as Nick Van Exel. He was also a good point guard who was traded several times mainly because teams want to get younger at that position. It happens.
I think Chauncey Billups has simply been a victim of circumstance. He would still be a Knick had Tyson Chandler not been possible for that club to acquire within financial means. Plus it appears head coach Mike D’Antoni has a strange mancrush on Toney Douglas. Can’t explain that one.
Yeah, but Van Exel?
Didn’t he like to jack up shots and whine? I barely remember. But I don’t recall him as the sort of guy—like Chauncey and Cassell—who just seemed to make teams better by their very presence.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Dec 11, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Van Exel
Played in outlaw program (Cinci), always was me first type player, never got along with his coaches in the NBA.
Attitude probably caused his career to end a good 2-3 years before it should have. Not the best example to use here, IMHO.
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by V. on Dec 12, 2011 6:03 AM EST up reply actions
Cassell and the Rockets
In hindsight the Rockets probably should have kept Cassell and never traded for Barkley. They got to the Western Conference finals once with Barkley but John Stockton in his prime isn’t losing to a team with Matt Maloney at PG in a 7 game series.
Sam Cassell was a ring chaser though…. which sounds TOTALLY LIKE SMIEGEL OMG HE REALLY IS GOLEM!!!!!
by JoeDip on Dec 12, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bibby will never win a title.
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Unless paired with Tracy McGrady
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exactly what I was eluding to.
Bibby will never win a title.a title? Join forces with McGriggidy and you’re looking at multiple titles per season, dude.
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I read that as multiple titties per season.
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 11, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shouldn’t everyone be entitled to multiple titties per season?
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Neither is three, unless it’s Total Recall.
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by garrettelliott on Dec 11, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I was going for.
I read that as multiple titties per season.
Stern would create an intercontinental title for them.
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billups way more handsome
than sam cassell
by andyfrombrooklyn on Dec 11, 2011 7:31 PM EST reply actions
seriously
i hope chauncey gets a good gig.
dude is not done.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Dec 11, 2011 7:33 PM EST reply actions
I hope he gets a gig with us and teaches Brandon Knight the way of the Point Guard.
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Pretty much like he should have done with Stuckey, right?
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by MrHappyMushroom on Dec 11, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Not Likely Happening Here
But…you never know.
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by V. on Dec 12, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I can feel Chauncey's pain
For all measures he seems like a very good dude, and it must suck to get traded time and time again, but it’s not like he’s in Kwame territory (the player or the mayor)
But what do bing and google say? Now that is the real question xD
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by bearded thundar on Dec 12, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
The long and the short of this is, Billups will get paid the full amount of his contract, and he’ll get to go sign anywhere he wants for the vet minimum.
This is probably the best thing that could have happened to him if he wanted freedom (which judging by this, he does, badly). NYK will pay him his $14+ million, and he can go hunt a ring wherever he wants.
Sucks to get traded, sure, but I really don’t feel all that bad for the guy, all things considered.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Huh? He’s subject to a blind bidding process which could send him to any small market team against his wishes and he wants a contender. If you’re implying that he just has to tough out this season and then go sign somewhere, that’s BS. The guy is in the twilight of his career and he has had some scares with injuries. Who knows when the next injury means hang up your sneakers? I can totally sympathize with the man.
I think he’s assuming that there won’t be a small market team that bids on him. Remember, those small market teams have to be below the cap to bid. I think Gulks is probably right that the under the cap teams aren’t exactly the market Chauncey is made for. Teams like OKC and SAC won’t be helped by signing him. He’ll clear waivers after the bidding period and have his pick of contenders to sign with.
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 12, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Chauncey Billups signed a contract, dude, and the terms of that contract were clear to him. Furthermore, he willingly signed a contract after knowing precisely what those terms were.
Is it a bummer for him? Sure. But the dude’s going to make $14 million this year, no matter where he plays, and likely, no one’s going to touch him off waivers after this outburst, so yeah, he’ll probably go anywhere he wants.
No one held a gun to Chauncey’s head and said, “You must sign this multi-year, multi-million dollar contract.” He was clearly aware that he could be traded anytime, per the terms of that contract. Is it unfortunate that the contract has been followed per those terms? Yeah, I sympathize. But it’s how the world works, man.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
I tend to view these things through an artist's lense.
Imagine if Christina Aguilera was reaching the end of her career and was about to finish up a guaranteed contract with Universal Records. Then she gets traded to some world music label in Indiana which concentrates on keltic and ukrainian versions of american top 40 hits. For the same money, of course. Instead of doing a massive tour and the last few duet albums on Universal with all the young superstars, she gets to do a small club tour with a bunch a musicians she never would have chosen to play with. She’s already filthy rich and hopefully has found that happiness is not about the money (well, a bunch about the money), but more about being yourself to the fullest. She might even be a bit concerned about her legacy and getting into certain halls of fame, and less about that last 20 million. This trade would suck for her and likely would make her call it quits. Screw playing with those clowns.
In 70’s jazz fusion terms: it’s like he was the drummer on Herbie Hancock’s Headhunters and he get’s the call that the got cut and probably has to go play with Murph and the Magic Tones. It would have been fricken sweet if he got to join Weather Report, Return to Forever or Mahavishnu Orchestra, but no. He’s probably going to have to play with these guys:
Or worse, these guys:
What's a hundred million between friends? Make a deal and let's get on with it.
by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Dec 12, 2011 3:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You get a rec. If for no other reason than my avatar. But you still earned it.
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by JumpingBlob on Dec 12, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
I love spelling Mahavishnu correctly, right after messing up on “get’s” and “the” instead of “he.”
What's a hundred million between friends? Make a deal and let's get on with it.
by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Dec 12, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
And you get another rec .If for no other reason than bacause PS is a MF SOB.
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by JumpingBlob on Dec 12, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
You?
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by bearded thundar on Dec 13, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
let's do it in the butt
Ok.
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by bearded thundar on Dec 13, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
?
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
You seriously don’t know what that comes from? Both Southpark and Tosh.0 covered Samwell and his song “what what in the butt.” Pretty hilarious imo
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by bearded thundar on Dec 13, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Squats => buns of steel => what what in the butt
I thought everyone knew that’s the life of the wrestler
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by bearded thundar on Dec 13, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
But It's Spelling Words Wrong, Or In Canadian, Which Gets You Recs Here
I would’ve rec’d your post above if you threw in Steely Dan. But…late ’70s Weather Report, a lot of talent there, no doubt.
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by V. on Dec 13, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
GRAMMAR NOTE
Kudos to Billups for using “continually” instead of “continuously”…
by -PS- on Dec 13, 2011 9:42 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
i love me a GRAMMAR NOTE
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
ALSO LOVE GRANDMA NOTES
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
GRANDMA NOTE
I miss my grandmothers.
(↑ real talk)
by -PS- on Dec 17, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I don't have any grandladies or grandpops anymore either, agreed
nice arrow
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