Pistons Training Camp: Brandon Knight puts in overtime
When Brandon Knight was officially introduced by the Pistons, he was quite candid about what he needed to improve. "Definitely, there's a lot that I need to work on," Knight told me in June. "I'm still a very young player with a lot to learn. I can get better going left, better in pick and rolls, and better in decision making. Those are things that I'm going to have to get better at."
You can't get better without putting in work -- and so far in training camp, it seems no one is working harder than the rookie point guard. From Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press:
When Pistons practice ended Tuesday, about half of the weary players headed for the locker room while others hung around shooting and doing some light running.
Then a few others left, leaving rookie Brandon Knight and veteran Will Bynum on the floor.
After Bynum got in some wind sprints, he finally trudged to the locker room, and Knight was on the floor doing a dribbling drill.
He was headed to lift weights until he realized the media was waiting to talk to him, and he took a little time to give an update on how his five-day pro career is going.
[...] "He's shown the ability to make plays," Frank said. "He's got an unbelievable work ethic. The guys have instantly taken to him because he's hungry, he's thirsty, he's not afraid.
"You literally got to kick him out of the gym."
Vinnie Goodwill of the Detroit News has a similar account:
"This is what we need right here," said Bynum, motioning to Knight. "If he never becomes great, it won't be because he didn't put the work in."
Pistons scouts, coach Lawrence Frank and Platinum Equity partner Phil Norment were transfixed by Knight's work ethic and endurance.
"It's something I had to work at, just from mental toughness," Knight said before he went to lift weights. "Your legs might not be feeling great, you have to persevere. You have to give that effort, because you'll see improvement."
If you weren't a fan of Joe Dumars' decision to select Knight -- and the selection was polarizing, to say the least -- all the glowing reports of his workout habits in the world won't change your mind. He's going to have to do that with his performance on the court during games that count. But still, it's nice to see that the player with the most to prove is also the one putting in the most work.
I'm really excited to see what Knight can do -- and by all accounts, he's showing nice flashes in the portions of practices open to the media. Perhaps seeing him in action will help revive some of the buzz that's been completely missing from his arrival. I can't recall the last time the Pistons had a draft pick this high who's received such little fanfare heading into the season. He was No. 8 pick; the Pistons have drafted that high only three four times since the 1980s, and the other two picks resulted in Greg Monroe and Grant Hill. (Update: And, um, that Darko guy. Whoops.)
I suppose we can blame the lockout for sapping some of the excitement -- it not only delayed the season but also robbed us of Summer League highlights, which at the very least would have provided new talking points about his potential.
I also blame Joe Dumars, whose "more of the same" blueprint will limit Knight's playing time if/when Rodney Stuckey is re-signed. (How can Knight be a building block for the future when Stuckey and Ben Gordon are blocking his path indefinitely?)
Nevertheless, Knight's play as a rookie is what I'm most looking forward to. It simply wasn't fun to cheer for the Pistons last year, thanks to a handful of spoiled veterans. But it's easy to root for a young kid who knows he's not there yet and wants to improve. More grinders, less whiners. We can all get behind that.
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Never forget
The phrasing makes it seem like we’re pretending Darko didn’t happen.
Maybe we should pretend that.
Yes. Darko didn’t happen.
“I love Darko’s work ethic. We watched him play for five straight hours and then he played for more than another hour because he just loves the game.” Rick Majerus, quoted in Sports Illustrated
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
"He’s going to own the game. Own the game. We’re going to have to build a new arena. The only thing that could destroy a kid like that is a woman."
Will Robinson talking about Darko Milicic after seeing him work-out in Detroit, May 30, 2003, ESPN.com
by Matt Watson on Dec 14, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
fixed
“He’s going to own the game. Own the game. We’re going to have to build a new arena. The only thing that could destroy a kid like that is awomancheeseburger”
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by bearded thundar on Dec 14, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Fixed.
“He’s going to own the game. Own the game. We’re going to have to build a new arena. The only thing that could destroy a kid like that isa womana lack of talent.”
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meh
Darko’s problem has never been lack of talent, it’s that he got really lazy. Look at the numbers he puts up from time to time when he actually cares (especially blocks). They’re surprisingly really fucking good. I believe it was Mike D’Antoni that actually admitted that he would get a cheeseburger before every game because he didn’t care whether he played for the Knicks anymore.
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by bearded thundar on Dec 14, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
So, the options are:
Darko has no talent.
Every once in a while, Darko has a good game. Thus, his consistent failure to perform – year after year, team after team, coach after coach, contract after contract – is due to not caring enough / laziness.
I’m going with the former.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Why would teams even consider to continue giving him contracts when he continually under performs unless if they seem something worthwhile from him in workouts?
I find it very hard to believe that that Darko managed to fool everyone with his talent in multiple workouts. Its easy to impress someone with your work ethic when needbe, people do that in baseball all the time when its a contract year. It’s very difficult (imo) to fake talent.
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by bearded thundar on Dec 14, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
We are talking about Joe Dumars and David Kahn here. David Kahn. He wouldn’t know talent if it punched him in the face.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
you guys, this is really a simple issue
The only thing that could destroy a kid like that isa womanbleach blonde hair dye."
Mystery solved.
by Mike Payne on Dec 14, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
What's Really Scary
You’re right, and Kahn still isn’t the worst GM in the league, not even close.
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by V. on Dec 14, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Well..Will Was On The Money
Darko had no heart, no maturity, only cared about pussy. Also, playing for LB didn’t help, but if he had any heart whatsoever, he would have overcome it.
Darko should have owned the game, no doubt about it. He’s become a serviceable NBA player, but still is dogging it by light years. Reminds me a bit of Keith Van Horn, who IIRC also went #2, and parlayed that into an undistinguished 10+ year career.
I have the feeling it may be a little different with Brandon. Comes off as a lot more professional, although too early to tell.
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by V. on Dec 14, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, that wasn’t slick phrasing, that was sloppy writing. Totally forgot to include him.
by Matt Watson on Dec 14, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Is it bad that I'd rather have Darko @8-9 mil
Than Stuckey at that price?
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by bearded thundar on Dec 14, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I also blame Joe Dumars, whose “more of the same” blueprint will limit Knight’s playing time if/when Rodney Stuckey is re-signed. (How can Knight be a building block for the future when Stuckey and Ben Gordon are blocking his path indefinitely?)
<3
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
This is actually what gives me hope.
Dumars, by all accounts, is pretty damn high on Brandon Knight. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that Dumars is using Brandon Knight as a really good reason to not go overboard with Stuckey. My best case scenario is that Dumars hasn’t done anything beyond leave Stuckey the qualifying offer until he gets some $ thrown out from other teams.
Knight absolutely can’t be a building block when there are other guys in his way for three+ years.
I'm on record as saying I don't think Knight will be very good
but I sure am excited to watch him play and to be proven wrong. Problem is he won’t play that much if things go according to plan. Or maybe Gordon will continue to be a 6th man, in which case $10 million for Stuckey seems even more absurd as a SG.
Fuck I hope Knight is good.
Any Stuckey news? I figure the longer things drag out, the less likely that JOD is negotiating against himself to award a megabucks contract.
new fanpost
chad ford says stuckey’s “balking” at a 5 year/40-45M offer. “threatening” to take the qualifying offer and walk next year.
let's do it!
QO this year, sign+trade next year!
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by bearded thundar on Dec 14, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Why all the hype about Knight?
I’m more intrigued by the new addition of this Tayshaun Prince fellow. I hear he’s a “glue-guy” and winner. He can post up and play the point. He’s a true leader and just entered his prime.
by Chandra on Dec 14, 2011 10:37 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Impressive
detroitpistons NBA Detroit Pistons
LFrank just said Tom Gores spent over 3 million to upgrade locker room. It’s spectacular.
13 minutes ago
by Buddahfan on Dec 14, 2011 10:39 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ballislife Ballislife.com
Rodney Stuckey is supposedly offended at the Pistons 5 year offer of $40-45 million. Is he worth more?
1 minute ago
chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Stuckey’s reps have contacted a couple of teams about sign-and-trades. Very unlikely Pistons will agree to one. They want to keep him.
2 minutes ago
Seriously JOD? Why on earth would you want to keep a guy who can’t play point? Ben Gordon is better at the two, for that matter. S&T his overpaid ass for a big and let Stuckey’s entitlement be someone else’s problem.
by Birdman84 on Dec 14, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
IamaGM IamaGM.com
Rodney Stuckey rejects Pistons five-year $40-45 million offer, agent looking for sign-and-trade deals dlvr.it/10TG2K
5 minutes ago
this is all music to my ears
Knight replacing Stuckey at the 1 and possibly getting a big in a sign and trade? That’s the best news we’ve heard since Denver bought out Dyess
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by bearded thundar on Dec 14, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
JOD
What we hope is going on in Joe’s head: LOL 10 million?! Fuck that shit. Let’s throw up some smokescreens and pretend we really want him so teams will offer their best pieces to pry him from my all-too-eager hands
What’s really going on in Joe’s head: boner boner boner boner boner boner boner boner boner.
We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne
by detpistons3 on Dec 14, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm confused.
Does JOD want to eat a boner sandwich? Does he have a sandwich boner? Does he have a sandwich boner for boner sandwiches?
Oh god, she was one of the best parts of that movie
..I read the trivia and came across this gem
Melissa McCarthy told an interviewer for “GQ” Magazine that she based the look and characterization of Megan in part on Guy Fieri, the (male) host of the show “Diners, Drive-ins and Dives.”
I lol’d
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That's so money!
I’m taking the bus to Flavor Town.
by TDP on Dec 15, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Guy Fieri invented the Boner Sandwich

That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
dude LOVES boner sandwiches
“Guy had decided that the two men running the restaurant were life partners,” Page remembers. “He said, ‘You can’t send me to talk to gay people without warning! Those people weird me out!’”

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by Skylar on Dec 15, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
rec'd, i lol'd
What’s a doxa, is that like “douchebag” in Uzbeki?
by Mike Payne on Dec 15, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I'm going with, yes.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
double fried french fries
Should I be savoring or grossed out?
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by bearded thundar on Dec 15, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say grossed out. Fat on the side of some perfectly cooked Brisket = Savory
Chunks of potato fried in fatty liquid grease twice, I dunno. I’ll pass. Just me though.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
I <3 brisket burnt-ends

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by bearded thundar on Dec 15, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong Answer Skylar
double fried french fries allow for a soft hot center with the extra crispy outside. Essentially, they deep fry in two different temperatures of oil…one to cook and one to crispy.
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I guess dude.
Single fried joints usually seem to do the trick but I dunno.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
I'm no fan of the kid but I'm blindly hoping he does end up being a good players
particularly a good PG. It’s hard to get particularly excited because the koolaid is constant from the Pistons. I mean, Walter Sharpe had a bright future ahead of him.
His work ethic is something that is always mentioned as well as his smarts. He has, as a PG, a lot of the shortcomings Stuckey has but the different I see, which I think is very relevant, is that Knight embraces the idea of being a PG. I’ve never liked Stuckey’s stance that he doesn’t care where he plays as long as he plays. I think guys need roles and embrace that roles and develop in those roles. Stuckey has failed to do that. I think Knight has a chance to do it and he’ll be better than Stuckey for it.
Also, I’ve always found Bynum a very telling guy, he has a way of saying thing without throwing guys under the bus.
WWGMD?
long smooth strokes mother fucker.
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Kid had a lot of AP credits
I know people at UM that didn’t come in with that many, he’s smart by any standard (not just NBA)
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by bearded thundar on Dec 14, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Just filed to ESPN: Pistons & restricted FA Rodney Stuckey at an impasse. Stuckey balking at Pistons’ 5 year, $40-45 million offer
I’d rather him pass, I don’t wanna offer him that kind of money. Get angry Rodney, don’t give in.
WWGMD?
Rodney Stuckey said balking at offer
By Chad Ford
ESPN.com
The Detroit Pistons and restricted free agent Rodney Stuckey are struggling to come to terms on a long-term contract, sources said.
Stuckey, the Pistons’ top free agent this offseason, is balking at what the Pistons are prepared to pay him. The Pistons have discussed a deal that would pay Stuckey between $40 million and $45 million over five years, according to sources.
By comparison, Mike Conley agreed to a five-year, $40 million extension with the Memphis Grizzlies in November.
Stuckey’s representatives, seeking an even bigger deal, have been contacting other teams the past few days, looking to broker a sign-and-trade deal. However, the Pistons are telling teams that they won’t agree to a sign-and-trade for Stuckey, sources said.
full story on link
Has Stuckey practiced yet? Surely he must feel the heat from Knight and Bynum working their asses off.
by garrettelliott on Dec 14, 2011 12:36 PM EST reply actions
Ah, thanks! I probably should have known that. :\
by garrettelliott on Dec 14, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
SIlly Canadian.
Americans don’t work unless we have our contracts straight (especially if you could lose Millions of $ by getting hurt when you don’t have your contract straight).
A silly, almost unbelievable stat from today's training camp weigh-in:
Tayshaun is 6’9" 215
Austin is 6’11, 205.
Damn Austin, that is skinny. I was a bit surprised.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
wait he's still just 205?
That’s kinda sad, I thought he would be at least 220 by now
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by bearded thundar on Dec 14, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
He needs to squat more.
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by heWizard on Dec 14, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If he had done nothing more than follow my strict regiment of 1 squat thrust for every consecutive day of lockout
not only would he have put on some muscle in his lower body, but he’d have legs like tree trunks.
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lol well let's not get carried away
It takes years of hard work to add mass to your legs, but at the very least it takes a long time to actually plateau. It’s really easy to hit a plateau when benching or doing bent over rows etc, however with leg workouts you can move up a 100 lbs before hitting a wall.
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by bearded thundar on Dec 14, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
When I squat, I usually lose about five pounds.
by TDP on Dec 14, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
No logjam at the 2.
What would Earl Boykins do?
by FMFDOC8404 on Dec 14, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Yeah, sad/strange, Beardy.
I don’t want him to pack his frame up like you or anything, but when you’re 6’11" and Tayshaun outweighs you by 10, I think you should maybe look at your height, look at Jerebko, look at Monroe, and maybe get a little more weight for the post and to add some strength. I don’t know. Nothing against Daye or anything.
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He’ll probably be 205 until he turns 30, and then he’ll gain man-weight just from getting old. If he hasn’t put any on by now with instructors and personal chefs and training and all that jazz it doesn’t look good.
by garrettelliott on Dec 15, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
so NOW i know why
pistons didn’t use the amnesty so they can sign stuckey to shitty contract then amnesty it the next season… makes so much sense
by Taiwanese Tora on Dec 14, 2011 3:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Would Stuckey count toward the amnesty?
I thought they could amnesty a contract from the previous CBA. Would signing Stuckey to an extension count toward his old or new contract?
These are the questions I have.
Stuckey Has No Contract
Gotta have a contract before you can forgive it lol..
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by V. on Dec 14, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
You also have to give him a contract before July 1st 2011.
Of course, Stuckey happens to be a time traveler.

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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 14, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Don’t you dare compare Stuckey to DBZ!
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by bearded thundar on Dec 14, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
hmm
then i have no rationalization for this deal then..
by Taiwanese Tora on Dec 14, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Future Stuckey is better than Present Stuckey. Maybe they work on jump shots in the future?
by garrettelliott on Dec 15, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I will happily jump on the Knight bandwagon
but the only game i saw him play, in Kentucky’s last game in the Final Four I saw him jacking up ill-advised shot after shot (and missing most). I was praying for him to pass…granted this is a tiny tiny sample but every sample is a sample
one lesson that I think Knight will learn very quickly
is that as a rookie in the NBA, you are not the only top tier college athlete out there and actually far from it. And on top of that, a lack of passing will not endear you to your teammates…especially if they have more experience and equal or better opportunities to score.
Given his young age, and a thirst for knowledge and improvement, I don’t doubt that Knight is already well aware of this. Of course, this is a lesson that Stuckey has never learned but it doesn’t surprise me given he went to Eastern Washington University and barely made it into college in the first place.
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Word is he's a very capable passer
Calipari’s system focuses on the point guard doing a lot of scoring, and to be fair the Wild Cats were very thin last year because of how many people were drafted.
Also Stuckey just isn’t a good passer. Like literally, I have yet to see him be able to do anything beyond the most basic passes. He can’t pull off half the shit John Wall can do, let alone Isiah. Even AI was a fantastic passer – he just chose to never use that ability.
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by bearded thundar on Dec 14, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he’s of different ilk than Tyreke Evans and Derrick Rose. I think he’ll be okay, but I don’t want him taking shots like Rodney.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 14, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Tyreke is an alright passer (look at TOs), but Rose can ball
He’s incredibly stupid imo (apparently someone had to take his SATs for him to get into memphis of all places), however in terms of raw talent I was impressed with him almost every time I watched a Bulls game last year. His usage level should go down now that they’ve got Rip, I’m intrigued at how efficient his game will become.
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by bearded thundar on Dec 15, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair...
that game that Stuckey had where he seemingly chose to not shoot at all to prove some kind of a point, he made some impressive passes. I’m not saying they’re Nash-esque but he’s definitely threaded the needle a few times.
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That game was just upsetting.
It was like Stuck was saying, “Look, I can be good at the job I was given when it’s my intention to do so!” It just showed me that he really has it in him to actually be a real point guard and otherwise doesn’t give a f**k about the rest of the team. Always a music reference from me, but it’s like he’s the conductor in the big band and he keeps on pointing at himself to solo, and he keeps f**king up. So, his intention is to f**k up. Stuckey, you’re no Duke Ellington. And that dude didn’t make 10 million in his entire life.
What's a hundred million between friends? Make a deal and let's get on with it.
by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Dec 15, 2011 3:17 AM EST up reply actions
I like Frank. Frank is Dank.
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by Skylar on Dec 15, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Re: Knight putting in overtime
..I think I speak for the both the bulk and the gulk of our commenting constituency when I say we here at Detroit Bad Broughams like to read and hear about new kids like Knight exhibiting solid work ethic like that- we like it much more than say, when we see CV31 tweeting about being a young go-hard, this time it’s for reals, etc.
For what it’s worth, when I was at camp, it was Austin Daye who was burning the midnight oil on the court night after night.
I think we got some guys here committed to being better Pistons.
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