Weekly Trade Thread 12-16-2011
by The Boourns on Dec 16, 2011 4:11 AM EST
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Elections were held and ballots were counted (for those of you who missed the opportunity to vote, sucks to be you) and after numerous recounts (total of 1 votes submitted), I, The Boourns have been elected by the DBB faithful to post a weekly trade thread. It seems the credentials I put forth during my campaign - my long-standing tradition of unrealistic trades, 8000+ comments, and almost 90 fanposts - has led you all to put your faith in me to generate some of the most entertaining and utterly pointless conversation we Pistons fans may have this season. Specifically, theoretical trades that 999 times out of 1000 never actually happen. But that's the pessimistic view. That 1 in a 1000 moment when JoD pulls the trigger on a trade that a DBB faithful proposed months earlier is worth all the pointless discussion in the world. I humbly accept the appointment and hope that my daily dose of 22 oz beers will not prevent me from performing my duty to its full extent.
With that in mind, there have been some interesting trades this week. Specifically:
- Clippers trade MFAFA, The Ugly Caveman, and The Better Gordon + Kahn's 1st round draft pick for Chris Paul
- Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer to Denver for a Walter Sharpe (2nd round draft pick for those not keeping score at home)
- Minnesota traded Lazar Hayward to the Team Formerly Known as the Sonics for 2 conditional Walter Sharpe's and a Robert Vaden who after waving to fans in Minnesota was promptly waived by Kahn.
With the real world trades out of the way, its on to NBA Imaginationland...
Before I dive into my weekly theoretical trade, I wanted to mention an interview I saw of Kobe shortly after CP3 appeared at Media Day in LA. I've done my weak attempt at finding the video with no luck, but it aired on NBA TV which actually has something to show these days other than NBA Finals from the late 80s. Essentially it went something like this:
Reporter: So what do you think of the new look Clippers?
Kobe: Oh...I'd DEFINITELY watch THEM...
Reporter: Wait so are you being sarcastic?
Kobe: Am I being sarcastic? No! Blake has like a 60 inch vertical and Chris Paul? He's doing this that and the other thing...so yeah I'd DEFINITELY watch them on TV...
Reporter: So you're not being sarcastic at all?
Kobe: No...I mean...Its cool what they're doing...but I mean...I like jewelry...I like talkin' bout jewelry...thats what I like...
I only point this out because I recall a comment in the past week about the difference between a prick and a douche bag and how Kobe personifies that prick attitude that MJ perfected while Lebron fulfills the USDA Prime Douche Bag tag. This conversation is just a perfect example of how big of a prick Kobe can be.
Alright...so here's my trade scenario. The Clippers are now reaching an alarming number of guards even after having sent The Better Gordon to New Orleans (Mo Williams, Randy Foye, Eric Bledsoe, Chris Paul, some guy named Willie Warren, and B-B-B-Billups). Not only is that a lotta guards, but none of them are taller than 6'4". Meanwhile, who is backing up DeAndre, Blake, and Caron? Uhhhhhh....well...Ryan Gomes and Brian Cook? No seriously, those are literally the only two dudes they have on contract right now. They obviously need some bigs to come off the bench and need to get rid of some guards...
Pistons receive: Randy Foye (from Clippers) and Nikola Pekovic (from T'Wolves)
T'wolves receive: Mo' Williams (from Clippers)
Clippers receive: Charlie Villanueva (from Detroit) and Anthony Randolph (from T'Wolves)
Pistons shed CV for 2 shorter term contracts, that continue to help bring balance to the team (while also making Stuckey less relevant)
T'Wolves receive a starting caliber point guard to help Rubio along the way in his rookie year
Clippers receive a backup PF and C that are serviceable behind their monter starting frontcourt
I sincerely hope you enjoyed this first of many threads. I am personally humbled by you, the DBB masses, for electing me as your President of Hypothetical Trades (PHT...not PHD). Now your thoughts.
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Seems like a good trade to me
But It seems that were giving up too little for those guys.
I’m not complaining, just saying!
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I have no clue what Minny’s needs are, and I’m guessing Kahn doesn’t either!
Good idea, Boo.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 16, 2011 9:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
i like the trade
but i’m noticing a trend where these average vet guards are increasing in number while big men seem to be going extinct.
look at all these guys: arenas, b.davis, mo wiliams, felton, nelson, STUCKEY, foye, etc. these guys are all good enough to play, but none of them are actually good enough. and there’s a plethora of these types of dudes. i have no idea how stuckey thinks he can command that much money. the Clips just got Billups for $2 million. $2 fucking million!!!
then you look at SG’s and you have guys like vincanity, richardson, rip, crawford, redd, afflalo, i mean what separates these dudes? the only thing stuckey and afflalo have is youth. they aren’t necessarily better than the rest.
but look at big men, where are they? humphries is out there. the pacers just ponied up for a crippled david west because the market doesn’t bear much of a supply.
do i have a point? probably not. but i just say good luck to the clips trying to trade one of these guys for a big man, unless of course they want CV. value perfectly place boourns.
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"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
I like where your head be at Boo
But I gotta nitpick. I’d caution that Minnesota may not be interested in Williams. They already have Luke Ridnour backing up Menudio. Ridnour out-performed Williams last season and is paid half as much. With Kahn, anything is possible, but if you were their GM, would you take a doubly expensive Williams over a guy who is lesser known but better on court?
Aside from that, the trade totally makes sense— maybe there’s another team that would fit for Minny here. Philly, Portland and Utah might get down…
I don't think we can trade Charlie V... yet.
Only from the perspective that we need enough big guys to fill out the roster. If we move CV (or Max), we’ve gotta take a big guy back.
Presumably, our bigs depth chart looks something like:
Monroe
Jerebko
Wallace
Charlie V
Max
Macklin
Given the rigorous schedule ahead, we have to assume Big Ben will sit out and/or have his minutes reduced for a good chunk of games. We also have to assume Macklin isn’t going to play much. That leaves four guys playing the bulk of the minutes (when Wallace is sitting).
If you trade one of them, you’re down to three. If you lose one to injury, well, yuck.
Your trade has Pekovic. I have never seen Pekovic play. Perhaps he’s serviceable enough for our purposes? Anyone know if we’d have any more or less confidence in him than Charlie V?
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Art is still available.
Oh and the intent of this thread is not for us to critique the one trade I propose, but for folks to propose alternatives! I feel like the first one to de robe at the founding party of a nudist colony…its awkward and a little cold up here fellas…
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Can we give him Stuckey’s contract?
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 16, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
pekovic is in his 2nd year...
Last year he averaged 5.5 points, 3 boards, .5 blocks, and shot 52%/74% from field line in 13 minutes a game.
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Judging from his stats in europe
The guy seems to be a very talented scorer, but a horrible defender. Doesn’t rebound or block shots, and has a very high foul rate. 10.3 per 40 one year!
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 16, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, he’s a pretty solid defender, .5 blocks in 13 minutes is GREAT territory to be in.
Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 16, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
And as far as rebounding, it’s tough to do on a team with Kevin Love.
Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 16, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget Darko!
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Who? :)
Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 17, 2011 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
I like this trade
Anything to move the Chunky Chucklin’ Chucker Charlie V. I see the concern of not having much for big men if we get rid of him though. Is it possible Kris Humpheries could be obtained on the cheap given his divorce debacle to fill our gap? He isn’t signed right? If he is I’m going to look like a fool, but I have yet to even hear him mentioned in the NBA really. It’s always the divorce. He’d give us rebounds for sure and play solid D for us.
maybe we could get oden to, uh, fill our gap, ifyouknowwhatimean.
by C$ on Dec 16, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
He signed Portland’s qualify offer, which is about $8 million this year. I don’t know if a trade would be feasible.
he said gap
more for the filling out gap humor then sitting hurt on our bench reality.
Here's an idea.
Amnesty Charlie Villanueva.
Sign Kris Humphries to a 3-year deal at the same price.
Why wouldn’t we do this?
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Because Charlie wants to retire a Piston!
Duh.
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This Is Why I Don't Propose Trades
Would Denver bite on this one?
Resign Stuckey to QO and deal him and Tay for Affalo (sign and trade) and either Gallinari or Faried (likely Gallinari, though I think I’d prefer Faried).
I realize it’s only one game, but Stuckey’s value diminished greatly last night. Future of the team almost certainly is in playing Knight.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
The problem is that Gallinari > Tayshaun and Afflalo > Stuckey. Not sure why Denver would want to clearly downgrade their talent.
trade doesn't work anyways
Can only sign and trade one player at a time, meaning at earliest we could do it around i believe the trade deadline (not sure what the new CBA rules are on trading new contracts). Eitherway I’m not sure how you could possibly make those contracts work, Gallinari is making around Stuckey’s QO.
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 17, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Between Felton and Miller, they are kind of set in the combo guards department. :/
Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 17, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Why do so many people still think the Nuggets have Felton?
They traded him FOR Miller and Jordan Hamilton. Also, considering Miller’s career assists per game average is 7.2, I’d hardly call him a combo guard.
/nitpick’d
How's that for a slice of fried gold?
by Thom not Tom Gores on Dec 19, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I realize it’s only one game, but Stuckey’s value diminished greatly last night. Future of the team almost certainly is in playing Knight.
I thought this too, and then we re-upped Stuckey the next day.
Guess Stuck and his agent saw the writing on the wall, though, and figured they’d take the guaranteed money and go from there.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
No Coincidence There
Not so much value, but negotiating position. I’m sure he was looking at QO only if he didn’t get this done by Monday.
Contract is very reasonable, and gives both sides flexibility they desire.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 17, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ideally the contract would have just been 2 years
That way he would be both competing with Knight for the starting spot next year and for a new contract. That would light a massive fire under his ass and at the very least turn him into great trade bait
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 17, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s trade Villanueva to Uzbekistan for a gross of canned farts.
by TDP on Dec 19, 2011 12:36 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
How about we trade him to North Korea for two used dictators?
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 21, 2011 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
I did read that Kim Jong-Il’s contract is expiring.
by Birdman84 on Dec 21, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Can you amnesty a player that you trade for? For example, if a team trades for Hedo Turkoglu, can they amnesty him?
I’ve found some conflicting stuff on this online, and I thought that this thread seemed to be the appropriate one to post it on…
amnesty deadline has past for this year
im pretty sure you could amnesty the contract next year tho, as long as it’s a contract from before the new cba
I'm pretty sure that you can only amnesty players that you signed...
you can’t trade for a player and then amnesty him because the contract was made with a different team initially. At least that’s how I understand it anyway.
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