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Rodney Stuckey expects to spend plenty of time at shooting guard in 2011-12

Justin Rogers of MLive has reported that Rodney Stuckey expects to shift to shooting guard for extended minutes this season. After joining the Pistons for an open practice on December 18th, Stuckey spoke about his position as it relates to the crowd at point guard.

"It's early, we're just playing around, mixing up the lineup and stuff like that," Stuckey said after practice. "I know this year I'm going to be playing a little more two while Will or Brandon are in the game."

Fans should feel relieved to know that Stuckey's re-signing won't entirely bury rookie Brandon Knight in the depth chart. It's likely that Stuckey will start the season at point guard next to Ben Gordon at the 2, and that coach Lawrence Frank will adjust the rotations as the season progresses.

The problem, however, is that Stuckey's title as "combo guard" is more suggestive of his apositional nature, not an ability to effectively produce at either guard position. When playing at the 2, Stuckey loses the size advantage he has over point guards and his defense suffers dramatically. Without the point-style control of the ball, Stuckey's offensive talents are also curbed, given his preference for isolation style play.

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In 2009-10, Stuckey's defense against point guards was his saving grace. His 40.5% shooting from the field and 30th-amongst-starting-guards assist rate buried his team's offense, but his defense and Detroit's lack of depth kept him in the rotation. That season, when Stuckey played almost exclusively at point guard, his isolation defense was amongst the league's best. He didn't have the lateral quickness of shorter point guards, but his size gave him the advantage when defending iso-style penetration.

In 2010-11, Stuckey's offense improved in terms of shooting efficiency and assist rate. He was moved off the ball for longer stretches, giving Tracy McGrady and Will Bynum a greater level of involvement at the point. Due in part to his time at shooting guard, Stuckey's ability to defend fell off the charts. Synergy Sports ranked Stuckey at 121st in the league when defending isolation plays, down from a very respectable 38th in 2009-10. This decline was shared by a slight dip in D-RTG and positional stats via 82games (which should be taken with a chunk of Detroit Salt).

Then there's the other side of the coin, where Stuckey's offense is at its most average best when he's in control of the ball. Playing Stuckey at the two, when not in control of the ball, limits his best offense-- which again is isolation. Anything else, and the Pistons are in trouble. Here's an eye-opener: Stuckey's 28.9% three-point shooting in 2010-11 was the 60th best amongst shooting guards. There were 59 shooting guards in the league who were more effective than Rodney at shooting three pointers, and shooting just happens to be so important that it's in the actual job title he'll be holding for much of 2011-12.

Here's the thing fans should come to grips with before the season starts: Rodney Stuckey is not the answer at shooting guard. His title as a "combo guard" relates to his inability to fit into a modern NBA position, it does not suggest an ability to adequately produce at multiple positions. His size advantage is lost at the two, and without the ball in his hand, he's an offensive liability as well. The idea that Stuckey might work at shooting guard has been passed around by fans for years now, but sadly, it just isn't reflected in this player's style or body of work. If Stuckey's past performance at shooting guard continues this year, let's hope Lawrence Frank is quick to adjust for the sake of the team and the fans that support it.

There's always the hope that Stuckey will improve in the season ahead, and finally turn the corner he's flirted with so many times. I'm afraid that this is more likely to happen at point guard than it will off-the-ball. It'll be interesting to watch, I just wish the objective measures were more inspiring of confidence. Sadly, they're not.

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Agree 100%

Basically, he’s going to inherit both the backup guard spots. It’s not the worst thing in the world, but I can’t see how his style of play is going to mesh with Frank’s philosophy.

Stuckey is a one trick pony, and that one trick lost some of it’s value with the new rules.

I guess also DBBers can post their anger over the Afflalo signing, which basically is the same deal as Stuckey’s over 5 years. I have long understood that the AI deal was about AI’s contract and nothing else, otherwise the deal is irrational, but maybe the biggest negative byproduct of that was that Afflalo got waived. Stuckey is the more talented player, but Afflalo is no slouch, plays a much more complete game,and has developed well.

One final thing…how guys like Afflalo and Stuckey got over $8M/yr, why did we have a lockout again, then?

This is DBB, and this is what we do.

by V. on Dec 19, 2011 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

That deal seems appropriate for Afflalo

Point taken that they shouldn’t be complaining about lack of money, but I think Afflalo would get that money under any CBA

Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.

by bearded thundar on Dec 19, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

and if Stuckey is more talented, Afflalo is still more valuable. Like Stuckey, he’s now much less valuable per dollar.

The problem with Stuckey is that if he winds up a backup, he’ll be yet another far, far overpaid backup. Personally, I’d take a one year, $3M backup Stuckey over $8M for 3 years in a heartbeat.

I think the concept of “but we couldn’t just let him walk, we needed to secure his value for trades” is brainless, especially for a team-in-transition™. I saw the guys over at PistonPowered saying that kind of thing, and I think it totally ignores the opportunity cost. So we pay a guy we don’t need $8M for a year or two before we can trade him, all the while we have equivalent or more promising talent behind him. Oh, and we need help in the frontcourt. So give a slightly lesser contract to a guy like Dalembert (who could also be traded in a year or two).

The whole “but we needed to hold on to his value” concept doesn’t hold water when you’re the only one setting that player’s monetary value. In a matched offer, that’s easier to swallow. Otherwise, use the qualifying offer and fill a need, instead of hoping for future trade potential which may never come. (like Rip Hamilton)

by Mike Payne on Dec 19, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Another Way To Look At It

Maybe we’re tanking, but without the overt appearance of tanking. Everyone knows the next draft is PF heavy, which is where our greatest need lies.

It’s almost irrelevant whether Stuckey works out or not. I doubt he is part of the future of this team.

I agree Afflalo is more valuable…where I was going was that Afflalo has realized more of his potential already than Stuckey ever will. Then again, Ben Howland seems to be pretty good at teaching kids how to play in the NBA over at UCLA.

(which reminds me, another guy here who is a big fan of Howland is Quick Darshan, whatever happened to him? one of the best posters on DBB, he’s been MIA for a while now)

This is DBB, and this is what we do.

by V. on Dec 20, 2011 6:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure re: QD. He’s a friend of mine on Facebook, I’ll send him a message and see if I can plead for a swift return by opening night.

As for Stuckey, and tanking— if we’re tanking, why would we spend so much to do it? And if Stuckey isn’t a part of the future of this team, why did we just give him an $8M/yr. extension? Just doesn’t seem logical, either way.

by Mike Payne on Dec 20, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but

since Stuckey and Prince has already been signed for some reason (be it keeping a borderline tradeable talent on a reasonable contracts), and BG/CV has NOT been moved for a reason (certainly not tradeable talent on a shocking contracts), the Pistons are NOT going to challenge for anything anyway.

With that sad fact in mind, we are pretty much tanking another season, so at least Stuckey at SG, hopefully means a lot more minutes for of Knight at PG. And if we’re tanking indeed, it’s only good to tank hard for a TOP5 pick in a solid draft. So if Stuckey is in fact LESS effective at SG, then that’s just the proper synergy in this shit…

So perhaps there IS a long term strategy for this team. It’s just that it is much LONG term than we all would have hoped for.

by dfdpl on Dec 20, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

i like this

Knight is all but assured to have ups and downs and even out at suck. Stuckey will be worse at SG and BG and CV already suck. Tay will be a year older and that much closer to approaching suck. Jerebko might never recover fully. Ben Wallace? Daye? We might be on to something here.

The more I think about it the more confident I am that this team will be shittier than last year’s team.

by mcflies on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Problem is

the team could have been even shittier for a lot less cost, and added flexibility and player development to the agenda.

I guess the idea here is to suck while still maintaining some semblance of assets, if overpaid guys are you’re kind of thing, and then eventually they’ll expire and become tradeable around the same time your team full of youthful players will have developed into something good. If Dumars came out and said this was his plan I might actually back him. Instead he’ll just luck into some shit in 3 years as a result of these present short-sighted moves and we’ll all be back to praising him again.

by mcflies on Dec 20, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that a big part of the reason that Afflalo got the money

is that there aren’t really that many quality two-way shooting guards in the league today and there were virtually none on the free agent market this year. Some team was bound to overpay for him.

by BoogieWoogie M.D. on Dec 20, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Well put.

As usual, I don’t have anything to add to this. Just thought I’d say hi and let y’all know that you’re the best NBA analysis on the web. I’d like to see a few more threads on the other teams’ trades and maybe some predictions for the season and playoffs. I guess I’d also like to point out that my DBB fantasy team is going to f**king stomp everyone!

PG – Derrick Rose
SG – James Harden
G – Arron Afflalo
SF – Luol Deng
PF – Blake Griffin
F – Joakim Noah
C – Greg Monroe
C – Tyson Chandler
UT – Michael Beasley
UT – Ramon Sessions
BE – Shawn Marion
BE – Brendon Haywood
BE – Austin Daye

What's a hundred million between friends? Make a deal and let's get on with it.

by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Dec 19, 2011 9:33 PM EST reply actions  

I play in a league where technicals, ejections, suspensions, fouls, foul outs, 3PM, 3PA, and FTM are all one point.

All the time relaxed.

by Supa Dupe on Dec 19, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a wicked team. You were one step ahead of me the whole time!

by garrettelliott on Dec 19, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I was secretly hoping for 6th or 7th in the draft.

It seems like getting 1st is only good for the first round. After that, you’re waiting almost two full rounds at a time. Besides that, I used DBB’s unspoken ranking of fantasy players (except Rose and my hunch Daye will get some numbers) from what I’ve gathered in all of my extreme lurking.

What's a hundred million between friends? Make a deal and let's get on with it.

by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Dec 20, 2011 3:58 AM EST up reply actions  

YOU HAVE RAMON SESSIONS?????

instant win. Book it! wait, sex appeal is a fantasy category, right?

by Mike Payne on Dec 19, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd for awesome.

Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.

by SpursfanSteve on Dec 20, 2011 4:08 AM EST up reply actions  

So, if he’s playing multiple positions, its really like Dumars is paying him half his over priced contract.

Totally worth it.

by TDP on Dec 19, 2011 9:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

i agree

his only hope is to imitate rajon rondo and become a drive & dish pg. Hopefully Frank is a smart enough coach to do what it takes to win instead of playing who complains.

Here’s my ideal lineup according to actual skills:

Stuckey/Knight/Bynum
Gordon/Daye
Prince/Jerebko
MOnroe/CV
Wallace/Maxiell

by victor_e on Dec 19, 2011 9:44 PM EST reply actions  

So…DET has basically replaced its $12M SG with a $8M SG who’s a worse defender at the 2 and 3.

by -PS- on Dec 19, 2011 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

preeecisely

rec’d for the brevity I do not possess

by Mike Payne on Dec 19, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec’d for dissapointed.

I am disappointing.

by -PS- on Dec 19, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I, on the other hand, am disajointed. It can be amusing and also painful.

What's a hundred million between friends? Make a deal and let's get on with it.

by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Dec 20, 2011 4:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Regarding Stuckey's defense at the 2

I don’t dispute the results, but I don’t think they’re damning. For some reason 82games.com seems to be gone :(, but how much of a percent of his time time per game did Stuckey spend at the 2? 10 percent? 25, tops? When you spend that little of your time doing something, it’s only natural to not excel at it. Although, this point totally plays against the idea of him being a combo guard…but I’ve also never understood the idea that his size works against him at 2 – there’s not many 2s that he’s smaller than, and the lateral quickness he gives up on points isn’t the case against 2s.

Also, 2 is more of a scoring position. When a point guard is scoring 20 points on ~45 percent shooting, you’ve got a guy no one wants like Ray Felton. But if it’s a 2, he’s the headliner in a trade to get Chris Paul – there’s a natural difference in the context of the numbers that makes it not an apples-to-apples.

Lastly, most 2s suck. They’re soft as hell and one dimensional. Stuckey’s one dimensional, but at least he’s not soft. He’s not ideal at 2, but he could be worse.

by Shinons* on Dec 19, 2011 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

All The Writers..

were of opinion his defense improved last year.

This is DBB, and this is what we do.

by V. on Dec 20, 2011 6:24 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s a great indication that it’s probably not true.

"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."

@brgulker

by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I agree with you

But I’ve always been the glass half full type. I think you bring up some pretty good points though.

by JWurm on Dec 20, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Well hey now,

Eric Gordon can actually shoot the ball.

by BoogieWoogie M.D. on Dec 20, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps just maybe….. Stuckey as a SG has a better attitude and work ethic than Stuckey as a PG.

And, shouldn’t we be taking our time to come up with a positional name for Stuckey since he can’t run the point, can’t shoot, and can’t guard?

What would Earl Boykins do?

by FMFDOC8404 on Dec 19, 2011 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

Worthless?

Maybe playing primarily PG will turn him into Bizarro Stuckey where he does all those things well.

Also, playing next to Knight would be ideal since he can shoot it.

All the time relaxed.

by Supa Dupe on Dec 19, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think khandor’s term “off guard” is apropos here.

by -PS- on Dec 19, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

An “unguard” perhaps?

by BoogieWoogie M.D. on Dec 20, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Is Ben Gordon an elite defender of opposing shooting guards? I think personally I would personally rather see stuckey guarding 2’s then Gordon. And besides the shooting guard position in the league right now is fairly weak.

by Piztonz on Dec 19, 2011 10:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Is Ben Gordon an elite defender of opposing shooting guards? I think personally I would personally rather see stuckey guarding 2’s then Gordon.

If Ben Gordon is your starting two guard at $12M/yr., would you pay another guy $8M/yr. for a slight increase in defense?

by Mike Payne on Dec 19, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

12 + 8 = depressing

What a depressing thought. AND the team just bought out Rip for another 12. Can a trade of some front court players and picks for Joe Johnson be far off?

by joejoejoe on Dec 20, 2011 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

it's all so shitty

$12M +$8M + $7M + $7M + $5M in wasted salary this season = ~ $40M in annual salaries we don’t need to be paying out.

Can you imagine how awesome it would be to have only $20M on contract and the ability to sign players like Williams and Dalembert and then hold the remaining cap space for trades by next summer? WTF

by Mike Payne on Dec 20, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Gordon, Stuckey, Prince, CV, and Maxiel? Oh shit. Now I’m actually a bit depressed. Strangely enough, the only two I would have thought of taking in the DBB fantasy draft were Stuckey and Prince. That bums me out even more.

What's a hundred million between friends? Make a deal and let's get on with it.

by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Dec 20, 2011 4:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Threadjack

Since we really only have the draft to look forward to, how about Thomas Robinson? He’s currently putting on a fuckin man’s performance on his way to a 20-20 game (on ESPNU for those of you that have it). I know he’s not real big, but he’s an interesting guy that I wouldn’t mind having if we get stuck in the 7-10 range in the lottery.

by Other Matt on Dec 19, 2011 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

He’s looking good, definitely a PF and not a PF/C, but could be a very effective player in the NBA.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 19, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

If we don't wind up with Sullinger

I will be thrilled if we drafted Thomas Robinson. His from-the-field efficiency isn’t so worrisome when you consider his rebound rate and ability to block shots and strip steals. Low to’s/pf’s for his usage rate is nice too.

by Mike Payne on Dec 19, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Rebound %

Last season he was 3rd nationally in both OReb% (19.1%) and DReb% (30.6%). So far this year his OReb% has fallen off, though tonight’s game will probably help, but he’s improved his DReb% to 30.9%. He doesn’t block a ton of shots, but he also doesn’t foul much, a trade off I’m sure we’ll all live with after going through the Amir Experience.

by Other Matt on Dec 19, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

don't tell Sullinger I said this

but Robinson’s ability to block shots and apparently defend well might fit better with Monroe.

Don’t tell Mike Payne I said this either.

by Mike Payne on Dec 19, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I want Anthony Davis, Terrence Jones, or John Henson

We need a big man who plays defense to pair with Monroe. I like Sullinger, but I’m not particularly sold on his defense and his injury history kind of scares me. Davis is obviously out of the question unless the Pistons end up with, like, a top 3 pick, but he’s going to be a monster. Jones seems like a Josh Smith clone, which I like (I think his b-ball IQ is a tad bit higher, too), and Henson would be a good option in the late lottery because of his shot-blocking ability.

How's that for a slice of fried gold?

by Thom not Tom Gores on Dec 20, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

while the lottery will decide our actual pick

I wouldn’t be surprised if we wind up with the 3rd worst record in 2011-12. (in response to “Davis is obviously out of the question”)

by Mike Payne on Dec 20, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m predicting 50 losses.

by TDP on Dec 20, 2011 3:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I’m going 22-44. I hope. This deserves an actual thread. It will be quite interesting to check/revise the predictions at mid-season, end of regular season, and end of finals.

What's a hundred million between friends? Make a deal and let's get on with it.

by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Dec 20, 2011 4:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Sullinger's #s

Last season: OReb% was 14.1% good for 51st nationally. DReb% was 25.9% good for 20th nationally. This year his DReb% is a staggering 33% good for 3rd nationally. Like Robinson, his OReb% has fallen off this year, 11.1% for Sullinger and 10.9% for Robinson.

Blocks and Fouls: Sullinger had 20 last season, a block% of 1.9, and 2.49 fouls per game. Robinson had 22 blocks last season, a block % of 4.8, and 2.03 fouls per game. Major caveat here is that Robinson’s freshman year he had a block% of 7.5 in limited minutes, so shot blocker is a role he can clearly fill. TRob is more than doubling up Sullinger in blocks this year, but I’ll hold off judgement on that since the schedule has been pretty soft.

Personally, I have reservations about Sullinger’s health and the fact that he doesn’t seem terribly athletic. He’s a fabulous college player that I really enjoy watching (hard as it is for me to say that as a Michigan fan), but I wonder how effective he’ll be at the next level.

by Other Matt on Dec 20, 2011 12:05 AM EST reply actions  

I hope Suckey doesn't start at PG

At the beginning of the season.. If Irving,Fredette,and Walker are starting then Knight should too. He is just as good if not better then those guys,and I want Knight to get his experience..If this happens and it happens for too long I will have to start posting fat pics of Dumars myself lol.

by Roco on Dec 20, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

you see Fredette the other night?

21 points on 11 shots, 4 rebounds, 4 assists… It’s a pre-season game and indicative of nothing, and I always thought dude was fool’s gold, but I was surprised with how well he handled himself in his NBA leadup game.

by Mike Payne on Dec 20, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Based on the Pistons last game, we're screwed...

Jonas fouled out. Greg, Max, Daye, Chunky and Beekay Siete all had five fouls.

by TDP on Dec 20, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I still think he’s fool’s gold. We’ll see, though.

"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."

@brgulker

by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he can play. But he’ll probably get punched in the face by DeMarcus Cousins in practice before he can actually have an impact on games.

by garrettelliott on Dec 20, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

first post in a while. 2 depressed.
hypothetical, less than 10 seconds left, pistons up by one, opposition ball.
Who defends the two? Gordon, Daye or Stuckey?
Not saying he is great but Stuck is so much better than the alternatives.

by aussiegus on Dec 20, 2011 5:33 AM EST reply actions  

but

he’s getting paid based on production at a different position.

and he’s taking all the attention away from the front court. we’re all here talking about how these guards are going to defend other teams and completely ignoring the fact it doesn’t matter, because the front court is 50 times shittier even though we actually have one good player there.

and the payroll is actually higher next year than this year, for a team already over the cap. and then the year after that the cap will be adjusted to the 50% BRI split. if you weren’t depressed enough we’re stuck with these fucks for a long time.

Dumars has actually done something quite remarkable. He’s made firing him pointless, because either way the team is going to suck for the next 3 years. He’s got this team in a position no GM could get out of, not even the DBB conglomerate.

by mcflies on Dec 20, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, in that scenario...

my money is on Damien Wilkins. They would put out Stuckey/Wilkins/Prince/Jerebko or Moose/Wallace I bet.

Frank seems to really think Wilkins brings solid perimeter defense, which is why he’s almost a lock to be on the roster.

by freywagg on Dec 20, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

His bald head and his number nine-edness reminded my of Jarvis Hayes.

by TDP on Dec 20, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope they don’t sign Wilkins to a contract.

by aussiegus on Dec 21, 2011 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Things I wanted to happen this off season:

Let Stuckey walk / Sign qualifying offer
Let Prince walk
Move Rip and/or BG
Amnesty Villanueva
Get Kris Humphries or Dalambert with CV’s amnesty money

Only one of those things has occurred. And now we get to look forward to Stuck at the 2. I haz a sad.

"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."

@brgulker

by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

That was basically my list too, except not Humphries. I think his rebounding stats are inflated playing with Brook Lopez, just like Villanueva’s were when he played for the Bogut-less Bucks.

by Birdman84 on Dec 20, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps slightly, but the alternative way of looking at it is that he’s been improving as a rebounder every year in the league.

"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."

@brgulker

by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s certainly true. But his defensive rebounding shot up once he joined the Nets. Last year his DRB% was 32.2! That’s impressive but I doubt it would be that high if he joined the Pistons. As a point of contrast, his ORB% has remained relatively consistent.

Signing Humphries to a contract based on last year’s production instead of his overall career production would be a minor mistake, as Detroit still needs rebounding.

by Birdman84 on Dec 20, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like he’s getting $7-8 million for one year from the Nets.

That’s basically Villanueva money. I’d take it.

"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."

@brgulker

by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s not a bad deal for Humphries. If he can prove last year wasn’t a fluke, then he’s due for a big pay day. I’m not sure what Detroit’s salary obligations will be next offseason, but hopefully Dumars or his replacement takes a look at Humphries.

For the Nets, he’s now a very tradeable contract.

by Birdman84 on Dec 20, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

strange that we wanted precisely the same

I also wanted to draft a big or, if not available at #8, trade down for Faried or out altogether. Which if I remember correctly, you were quite vocal about wanting as well.

by Mike Payne on Dec 20, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."

@brgulker

by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't know if i like all these moves in tandem

Let’s assume the rights to Stuckey and Prince are waived. Rip is bought out. CV is amnesty’d. What’s that give us a roster of about 8, and $20 million to spend. In theory I like this. You’ve just put yourself in a good spot, but this spot is not the spot I ever want Dumars to be again. I don’t trust him, at all.

by mcflies on Dec 20, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

My reality show addiction makes me absolutely NOT want Kris Humphries…and not because I feel sorry for Kim Kardashian. But, because “Hump’s” voice sounds like that cousin you only see like twice a year who seems to always have a nose full of snot and a Kool-Aid mustache.

by Alex_Be on Dec 20, 2011 2:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Oh look, Smithers

A shooting guard who can’t actually shoot.

by Toledo Joe on Dec 20, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

On the Pistons website there's a video of him shooting 3s

and his form looks different to me. He doesn’t look like he’s hurling boulders over his head like a caveman. Looks more straight.

Can anyone confirm? Am I making shit up to appease myself?

WWGMD?

by Kriz on Dec 20, 2011 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

That's A Lot Of Recs

Think how many you’d have gotten if you posted a pic of #1 and not #3.

This is DBB, and this is what we do.

by V. on Dec 20, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I really wanna see how announcer are gonna call him in games? Will they revert to Artest or will they recognize the crazy and embrace his delightful new legal name?

by BoogieWoogie M.D. on Dec 20, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  


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