NBA Preseason: Pistons at Cavaliers rematch for the ages!!1
by Mike Payne on Dec 20, 2011 4:47 PM EST
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PrintDetroit Pistons at Cleveland Cavaliers, Dec 20, 2011 7:00 PM EST
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Detroit Pistons: 0 - 1 (0 - 0 road)
Cleveland Cavaliers: 1 - 0 (0 - 0 home)
On Friday, the Pistons gave up a narrow loss to the Cavaliers that was largely decided at the charity stripe. While the play was reportedly quite sloppy, it's encouraging to know that the Pistons outplayed an improved Cavaliers team when taking into account the 56 free throws Cleveland attempted. Ouch.
Due to the shortened season, the Pistons will only play two preseason games, both against Cleveland. This is cool for me, at least, because I missed the first preseason game because I was rebuilding my engine at bullfighting practice shooting things with guns at the ballet with my wife. Can the Pistons reclaim their honor against the Cavaliers and can I reclaim my manhood? Stay tuned, Pistons fans!
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Defend Without Fouling - Seriously, fellas, our power forwards combined for 16 fouls on Friday night. I expect this out of Charlie, but Jason and Jonas, you guys need to stay focused tonight. Samardo Samuels isn't exactly an offensive visionary, the guy attempted four shots on Friday but you gave him 16 free throw attempts. WTF.
Contain Irving on the Perimeter - Kyrie Irving was the number two charity recipient on Friday night with 15 free throws. Judging from the distribution of fouls (and not actually seeing the game because I was too busy watching a bunch of dudes run around wearing tights), Irving didn't have much trouble driving past our guards. Larry Frank-- make Stuckey start earning his $8M tonight and keep him on Irving for a while, yeah?
Feed the Moose - Monroe was tied for 4th in shot attempts on Friday night, after Austin Daye and Ben Gordon and in line with Charlie Villanueva. It's pretty easy to find our best offensive option-- he's the really tall guy in the middle. Larry, any chance you can get Monroe involved in facilitating the offense when Knight, Gordon, Daye and Villanueva are on the floor? They're all really good at shooting 3-pointers, and I bet we could run some sweet plays with Gregory kicking it out to them!!!
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I’m commenting with the new Droid app. Had trouble at first, but no worries, the electronics guy at Canadian Tire was very helpful. Thanks Doug!
by -PS- on Dec 20, 2011 5:08 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I log in using the Facebook Connect...
and I’m having issues.
of course I had issues on the iPhone app too.
Dbb on my razr watch out dont get cut
by Piztonz on Dec 20, 2011 5:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
a little off topic
but what are the odds that we could pry one of utah’s half a dozen big guys away for say…ben gordon. I think BG’s contract is almost as much as al jefferson’s.
i'd like our team much better if they looked like
knight
stuckey
prince
monroe
insert rebounder here
I'd like our team much better if it looked like
Monroe
Jerebko
Not Ben Gordon
Not Charlie V
Bagooooooooooooo!!!!!!
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 20, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
lineup
knight, daye, tay, jj, monroe
no gordon or CV tonight
or so i read
game on!
The twitter says you are correct.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 5:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
@ The Ballet W Mrs. Payne?
Aren’t most of the ballet companies in Tampa located on Dale Mabry? Shame Tampa’s not like SFL where you can drink alcohol at the ballet there.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
You are correct, sir
Most of those ballets are on Dale Mabry, but sadly none of those places were showing The Nutcracker.
The Nutcracker Plays At Scarletts In Ybor
..so, does Mrs. Payne recruit ballerinas as well? Lucky guy you are then lol.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 20, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Kris Humphries with the Net's it appears.
Unreal
NBA GMs are the dumbest people on Earth.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 20, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Huh? It mentions no deal details...
and if he’s signing a 1 year deal that seems pretty smart to me…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
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think he is criticizing that no one tried to get him
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 8:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Is the game on the radio?
I’m on a work computer so any sort of illegal completely legal tv feeds would be a bad idea and/or blocked.
My federal building is way cooler than your federal building.
Also, let me just say
How completely excited I am to be back with my DBB homeys in a real live game thread. This is going to be epic!
My federal building is way cooler than your federal building.
by bugman222 on Dec 20, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks to all you DBB'ers in advance...
For your comments and descriptions of the game. For those like me, without access to cable, in a totally different time zone (and at work), you make the ESPN play-by-play much more interesting.
by My Brain Hurts on Dec 20, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Even tho this game will probably be a bunch of (insert word for excrement here)
I am massively excited cuz this is the first occasion i’ll be able to watch the boys and comment on this site…i just got back to detroit city after living abroad for 13 years and the best i could do was watching the games on league pass and commenting hours after….bring it on
omg omg omg its Geroge Blaha and Gregoty Kelser!!!
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 20, 2011 7:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I prefer Gregory
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 7:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
More Knight turnovers or Daye blocks?
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 7:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Why do you hate Knight so much? I haven’t seen you say a single positive thing about the guy
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 21, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
How was that negative? Daye had like 6 blocks in the first game, and Knight had like 6 TO’s? Just having some fun.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
But even if that comment wasn’t negative (which it wasn’t), I dont like Brandon Knight because:
1) He’s not a good basketball player.
B) The fact that we selected him indicates to me that we still don’t use any useful analytics when evaluating players.
III.) He didn’t and still doesn’t fit a need. There were solid big man to be had, like Faried, who dominated last night.
4) The numbers he’s posted so far in the preseason do nothing to alleviate concerns about his ability to improve on shooting and TO’s.
v) I really don’t enjoy watching young guards miss lots of shots and turn the ball over all the time.
f) He took almost twice as many shots as Monroe last night. It’s his job to get the best player on the team involved, which he has failed to do.
7) We are going to lose a lot with Knight as our starting PG.
8) I wanted to smack the disappointed look off his face when we selected him.
IX) He’s not good at basketball yet.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 21, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
1) He’s not a good basketball player.
1) He’s in the NBA, at 20. He’s pretty good.
B) The fact that we selected him indicates to me that we still don’t use any useful analytics when evaluating players.
B) This is a problem with management, not Knight. Luckily, sounds like they may have fixed that this fall.
III.) He didn’t and still doesn’t fit a need. There were solid big man to be had, like Faried, who dominated last night.
III.) I think a true point guard has been a need on this team ever since we traded Chauncey. If Stuckey isn’t the answer there, which most here have agreed upon, I think a PG could’ve indeed been considered AH need to be filled, amongst others.
4) The numbers he’s posted so far in the preseason do nothing to alleviate concerns about his ability to improve on shooting and TO’s.
4) I agree that his final numbers in the 2-game preseason vs. the Cavs leave a lot to be desired. However, there should be hope for the hopeless, if you (general you) watched him play.
v) I really don’t enjoy watching young guards miss lots of shots and turn the ball over all the time.
v) Then, in the words of George Blaha, “don’t look now.”
f) He took almost twice as many shots as Monroe last night. It’s his job to get the best player on the team involved, which he has failed to do.
f) Monroe attempted all of his shots (7 — on one he was fouled and went to the line) when he was on the floor with Knight. Knight only attempted 6 shots while he was on the floor with Monroe.
7) We are going to lose a lot with Knight as our starting PG.
7) We were going to lose a lot without Knight as our starting PG.
8) I wanted to smack the disappointed look off his face when we selected him.
8) That pissed me off, too, but then I remembered that he was just drafted into a circus show full of guards — I guess I shouldn’t blame him. Plus, he always looks like he has kind of a “duh” look on his face.
by Packey on Dec 21, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
1) He’s not a very good NBA basketball player yet.
Better? Thought it was pretty clear that’s what I meant. Of course, he could school us in a game of one on one.
B) This is a problem with management, not Knight. Luckily, sounds like they may have fixed that this fall.
By implication, I don’t like Knight because the numbers don’t like Knight.
III.) I think a true point guard has been a need on this team ever since we traded Chauncey. If Stuckey isn’t the answer there, which most here have agreed upon, I think a PG could’ve indeed been considered AH need to be filled, amongst others.
I’ll agree to disagree, I guess? The relative need for good bigs > the relative need for guards (especially at the time when we drafted Knight, when White and Rip were still on the roster).
4) I agree that his final numbers in the 2-game preseason vs. the Cavs leave a lot to be desired. However, there should be hope for the hopeless, if you (general you) watched him play.
Every year, the draft is filled with promising, athletic young guards who can’t shoot and turn it over a lot. I hope Knight is not one of those guys. The point is that his early play didn’t alleviate concerns about his two big statistical red flags. No one’s disputing his raw talent or skillset. Or upside, potential, etc.
v) Then, in the words of George Blaha, "don’t look now.
I’ve said as much. The day we signed Stuckey, I knew it would be hard for me to watch this team for 66 games. In fact, I know I won’t. It’s fugly and frustrating.
f) Monroe attempted all of his shots (7 — on one he was fouled and went to the line) when he was on the floor with Knight. Knight only attempted 6 shots while he was on the floor with Monroe.
apparently, we are looking at different data. Preseason is unreliable data, so this isn’t surprising.
7) We were going to lose a lot without Knight as our starting PG.
All the more reason not to draft an unproven PG in the first place!
8) That pissed me off, too, but then I remembered that he was just drafted into a circus show full of guards — I guess I shouldn’t blame him. Plus, he always looks like he has kind of a "duh" look on his face.
Just epinion, both ways. No real way to argue one’s right/wrong. Just struck me wrong, for whatever reason.
My beef with Knight is really pretty simple. There were better choices that fit a more pressing need (IMO) when we drafted him. His college numbers were really sketchy, if you looked closely. His early play in the NBA is worse than his play in college in two of the most concerning areas.
Could he become better? Yeah. But a lot more guys in his position flame out of the NBA by the end of their third contract than become franchise players. That’s as much a fact as the sky is blue. That’s all I’m sayin.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Better? Thought it was pretty clear that’s what I meant. Of course, he could school us in a game of one on one.
:-D
I’ll agree to disagree, I guess? The relative need for good bigs > the relative need for guards (especially at the time when we drafted Knight, when White and Rip were still on the roster).
I’m Ron Burgundy? I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but point guard was a need, more or less.
The point is that his early play didn’t alleviate concerns about his two big statistical red flags.
His early NUMBERS didn’t alleviate concerns about his two big stat red flags. But consider that 4 of his 10 turnovers came in a 3 minute span of the 3rd quarter, which I’ll wager won’t be a regular thing — I think some of his PLAY showed reasons to be hopeful, if you were hopeless before.
The day we signed Stuckey, I knew it would be hard for me to watch this team for 66 games.
I didn’t mean the Pistons, I meant rookies. They tend to screw up a lot. But then again so do the Pistons.
apparently, we are looking at different data. Preseason is unreliable data, so this isn’t surprising.
NBA.com >>> play-by-play for me. I’m seeing that Monroe attempted all of his shots while Knight was on the floor, and it was more than Knight attempted. Where are you seeing something different? It’s possible that counting on my fingers failed me, but I’ll double check and if there is a discrepancy I’ll happily reach out to both sources and clear it up so I know where we can get reliable data during the regular season.
My beef with Knight is really pretty simple. There were better choices that fit a more pressing need (IMO) when we drafted him. His college numbers were really sketchy, if you looked closely. His early play in the NBA is worse than his play in college in two of the most concerning areas.
My beef: Better choices at other positions during the draft is not at all relevant to discussing Knight’s play. That’s an inherent problem with the fat man who selected Knight and an entirely separate issue. If your goal is to ultimately be objective, then you need to put that aside because — whether it’s your intention or not — it’s coming off like you’re being harder on Knight because he’s not who you would’ve drafted.
Overall, this is likely just another disagreement stemmed from our underlying disagreement that stats don’t always tell the whole story. We have no idea what kind of player Knight will evolve into but I’m of the e-pinion that his first two games, meaningless as they are, showed us some potential that we may not have seen in a UK system that centered around him and the resulting one-year college stats.
Could he become better? Yeah. But a lot more guys in his position flame out of the NBA by the end of their third contract than become franchise players. That’s as much a fact as the sky is blue.
by Packey on Dec 21, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
one thing about red flags — IME the biggest red flags from Knight’s college stats were a horrible 2 pt field goal %, and crappy steal and rebound rates.
It was the combination of the low 2 pt% and the low steal/rebound rates which made Knight a particularly risky pick, because steal/rebound rates are usually a decent indicator of a players ability to translate his athleticism onto the basketball court, and 2 pt% can work as a barometer for a players skill/craftiness/bball IQ. A player that struggles in both skill area stats and athleticism stats is going to have to make huge strides to become an NBA caliber player.
Turnovers suck, but they are to be expected with a rookie guard, the concerns with Knight go deeper. Though subjectively, I think he looked better than what I remembered of him from college.
I saw a handful of UK games last year and I was never wow’d by him. I’m with you that by the eye he looked better than I ever remembered him, and he did have a few steals (one ‘big’ one) and showed he can get up on rebounds (he had a really impressive snag in the 4th quarter where he out-jumped everyone on the floor). I never bought the Top 5 pick hype before the draft and wasn’t happy at first when the Pistons selected him (I was always weird-hard on Faried), but I’m keeping an open mind to the possibility risky draft choice that which I did not like —→ high reward.
Overall, this is likely just another disagreement stemmed from our underlying disagreement that stats don’t always tell the whole story.
The last time we argued about stats, it was about Ben Gordon. Your eyeballs liked him. The stats did not. I opted to trust the stats and took a bunch of shit for “negativity.” That’s fine. I’m not an optimist and don’t claim to be. But, the stats (not me) were right. This is true much more often than not.
I really don’t have anything more to say about the stats than that. If you don’t trust them, don’t think they tell the whole story, that’s cool. I really don’t care if you (generic) do or don’t. But the fact – not epinion – is that your eyeballs, Jod’s eyeballs, my eyeballs – they can all fail us, and they often do. Like, scientifically factual. Our eyes and brains just aren’t as reliable as we think they are.
The Detroit Pistons since the Billups trade are one of the clearest examples of this in recent sports history. The Pistons suck because they decided to stop playing statistically productive/good players and started to employ mostly statistically bad/crap players. Your eyeballs might tell you differently, but the wins and losses tell a different. Wins and losses aren’t opinion. The Pistons are bad; therefore, we lose.
Sip the Koolaid on Knight, and be wow’d by his impressive cross overs all you want. We’re fans, and all of us do this to some extent. Frankly, my eyeballs like Knight too. He’s got great court vision, and he’s better at creating shots for others than any PG we’ve had since Billups. He’s also crazy athletic with tons of raw talent.
But so far (in his very, very young career), he hasn’t translated that talent into doing the things that win ball games.
To be perfectly honest, and this is stricly epinion, if he were on any team other than our own, all of us would laugh the idea of Knight being a 20/8 and future HOF’er right off the blog. For zeke’s sake, Thomas was a career 19/9 guy, and the greatest Piston PG of all time.
And we’re really going to suggest that Knight could be
better than that?
That’s the definition of homerism, and I don’t see any reason why I have to trick myself into buying into it.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
I don't think anyone sans the guy who suggested it takes the whole 20/8 thing seriously.
Talk about strawman.
Personally sports are much more than just statistics, because its much more than just winning and losing. There’s a reason why we are still here even though this is one of the shittiest teams in the league. It’s more than numbers.
I have no idea what Zeke’s FG% was but I know he played a an important game on a bum ankle. That’s basketball.
What I’m saying is, there is a story the numbers don’t tell. There is human factor. And while I think its important to approach the act of building a team with the statistics as a very present and heavy factor the fact is Brandon Knight is already a Pistons. Us, as fans, want him to succeed, we want to be able to look at the game and see the possibility of growth of a player. For me, that’s the fun part.
I don’t think that having the idea that this kid can grow into a serviceable PG is homerism or delusional. Just as Greg Monroe proved to be a better pro than college player, we can hope Knight can do that too.
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 22, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Talk about strawman.
Not at all. The whole reason this conversation even exists is because BT suggested 20/8, I called him out, and then others responded to me.
The 20/8 claim is the context for the entire conversation.
I reacted strongly the way I did as a direct response to what was said.
I don’t think that having the idea that this kid can grow into a serviceable PG is homerism or delusional.
Never said it was. I said that thinking Knight will be better than Zeke is.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
And,unless i missed int in a previous post, you were the one who brought up Zeke.
How can you be the one that brings up Zeke and then complain that people are saying Knight will be better than Zeke?
The 20-8 comment? Ok
BT wasn’t just called out, since he said it it has been a continuous joke by you and others. Which is perfectly fine, I laugh too. It was a ridiculous leap to make, agreed.
But many people have agreed that BT’s assertion was hyperbolic and yet it is still being handled as if it is a general accepted view.
You’re holding on to that to take on any argument that gives a glint of positiveness towards Knight. Even if its one of minimal hope.
Yes, Gulk. It is strawman.
WWGMD?
I brought up Zeke as a concrete example of how incredible a player Knight would be if he were actually a 20/8 guy. Knight would be the best PG in franchise history if so. Putting Zeke’s name on it makes it more specific, to me.
How can you be the one that brings up Zeke and then complain that people are saying Knight will be better than Zeke?
No comprende.
But many people have agreed that BT’s assertion was hyperbolic and yet it is still being handled as if it is a general accepted view.
I haven’t been treating any of this as hyperbolic. Seemed like BT meant what he said to me.
You’re holding on to that to take on any argument that gives a glint of positiveness towards Knight. Even if its one of minimal hope.
This isn’t fair. I responded to a comment that was absurd (literal definition of the word). People then responded to me. I’m not actively seeking out attempts to rain in Knight’s parade. I’m just responding to people in a conversation, and it’s only one conversation.
And I’ve said multiple times I think he should be our starting PG, flaws and all.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
This conversation has grown into a monster
I really don’t even know what’s being discussed anymore.
I said, “More Daye blocks or more Knight TO’s” as a joke in a game thread, and somehow, we’re where we are now (and I’m not sure where that even is).
I think Knight’s unlikely to be anything close to a franchise player. I think he has the skills to be a competent starter in a few years. But he has a very long way to go to get there.
I think saying he’s Hall of Fame caliber is homerism at its finest (comparing him to a HOF’er in Zeke is simply a concrete way to illustrate this). Langlois would have a good chuckle if that came through the mailbag, me thinks.
I’m not raining all over everyone’s parade. I’ve had one running conversation in response to one comment. I’m not seeking out ways to stomp out peoples’ optimism.
I also think that Knight should be the starting PG, because he has the most PG skills of anyone on the roster.
If five years from now, Knight does become a franchise caliber player, I’ll eat my words, and you can all have some friendly laughs at my expense.
If he ends up failing, though, and fans become as frustrated with him in five years as we are now with the likes of Stuck, Gordon, and Charlie V, I’ll make sure to give a friendly reminder that there were very good reasons to think that this would be the case, while trying not to be an asshole about it in the process.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
again, to emphasize:
I have no major problem with your position or your comments. I’ve only been enjoying the debate. I think there are very valid points on both sides. I’m an optimist and a stathead only to a certain degree before I burn out on maths (which I don’t love). I think the raw statistical analysis is of significant value – more so than the eye test. But I’m one of the eternal optimists too. It’ll take a few years of no progress or just terrible play before I’m ready to say he won’t be able to coax the best out of his physical gifts.
I like how you assume I said that with 100% seriousness
And yet you’re the one who’s continuously arguing with people
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 22, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
I like how you assume I said that with 100% seriousness
I just re-read that comment, and I don’t know how you could’ve been perceived as being anything but serious.
if it's worth anything I didn't take his comment seriously...
but than again my username is MadPoopz so I doubt anybody thinks I take stuff serioiusly ever or that I ever say much that is serious.
(kinda true, but not entirely)
I'm about to hop on a flight to MI for Xmas
But re-read our exchange and try not to twist my shit — I’m just trying to be fair using both stats and play. Also, I have CRS because we actually wasted too many words about Knight when he was first drafted. I discussed 3 objective stat measures and you never addressed them — you picked on other things I was saying. You’ve done it again when I called you out on bashing Knight for taking more shots than Monroe (he didn’t when they were on the floor together). You called it a difference in data and when I asked you where you’re seeing something different, you did not address it. Instead you try to make it seem like I’m all “eye ball evaluator” and you’re all objective stats man. That’s simply not true. Again, I’m trying to keep it fair. Merry Xmas DBB
I discussed 3 objective stat measures and you never addressed them
Not true. You cited Win Shares, when I was discussing Win Score. I didn’t feel the need comment further when you’re calling apples oranges.
To put it in baseball terms, if you cited slugging percentage as to why insert power hitter here was more valuable than insert other player here, and I cited batting average to refute your numbers, we’d just be talking past each other.
Chris Paul’s Win Shares in general are lower than his Wins Produced numbers, due to the way the two metrics are designed. Conflating the two (which you did) didn’t warrant a response, IMO.
What’s the point of continuing the conversation if we’re not even talking about the same thing?
You called it a difference in data and when I asked you where you’re seeing something different, you did not address it.
I looked at ESPN and couldn’t find the preseason totals. I take your word for what you say at NBA.com. I don’t know what further comment is necessary. The in-game stats from ESPN indicated that Monroe took five shots. I can’t seem to find those stats on ESPN.com.
Even if I’m wrong and Monroe took seven in game 2, my larger complaint that Knight shot more than Monroe is the preseason still exists. (And that argument is really a larger concern about Monroe not being involved in the offense enough).
Further, if you look at the total number of possessions used by both players, Knight is using a disproportionately large number, IME. In addition to shooting a lot, he’s also turning it over a lot. Both keep the ball away from Monroe.
You’ve done it again when I called you out on bashing Knight for taking more shots than Monroe (he didn’t when they were on the floor together).
I’m going to dispute “again.” I explained why above. I didn’t respond to your Win Shares arguments because I wasn’t talking about Win Shares in the first place. Rather than go to the trouble of parsing the differences between the two metrics and object to you using the one I wasn’t using (which you didn’t seem to realize you were doing), I just walked away from the conversation.
Didn’t feel worth it.
To your point, I would include Knight’s TO’s in the conversation, for the reason above; turnovers keep the ball away from Monroe.
But more importantly, I think it’s silly that any of our guards would take more shots than Monroe. We had to suffer through that last season, and Monroe still managed to be our best player. I really don’t want to suffer through it again.
In the preseason, he has not been a primary option in the preseason. I find that concerning.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
You cited Win Shares, when I was discussing Win Score.
I cited Win Shares when you definitively said there were zero objective arguments in favor of Knight. I also reiterated MFMW’s comment about his three-point shooting and the sports science video done on Knight. Your analogy doesn’t work at all.
What’s the point of continuing the conversation if we’re not even talking about the same thing?
We were talking about the same thing.
I lied, two more things.
You’re saying that this,
Could he become better? Yeah. But a lot more guys in his position flame out of the NBA by the end of their third contract than become franchise players. That’s as much a fact as the sky is blue.
is just an opinion.
I also know that you’re a lawyer, by trade, and it’s likely that you’ve got a much better handle on how to provide evidence for an argument that i do.
The claim I made can be factually supported. Here’s my case.
I think most would agree that DraftExpress is one of the most popular sources for traditional scouting analysis of college players/players from overseas leagues who want to enter the pros.
The wonder of the internet makes it possible for us to compare players like Knight to players who have come before him.
Here’s my argument:
Over the past ten years, more players that are similar to Knight in terms of draft profile have not made it as successful pros than have made it as succesful pros. In other words, young, athletic, raw guys like Knight who struggle to make shots and turn the ball over a lot don’t live up to their “potential” more often than they do.
Again, I’m not saying this is my opinion. I’m arguing that this is a fact.
The last piece of this, and I promise I’m done. I was asked a question, “Why do you hate Knight?” To which I responded with a silly little list of things.
The first and last items on the list is that he’s not a good basketball player (yet). As I’ve tried to demonstrate, I think this is fact, not opinion.
That’s my primary frustration. The fact that we drafted a player who I don’t think is very good at a position that was not at all a pressing need at the time when they were really good options at a position of great need is secondary.
In other words, objectively, I don’t thin Knight’s very good. Objectively, there were good options available. Objectively, we didn’t need another guard. Objectively, we did (and still do) need at least one more big man.
If Knight sucks hard this year, and Faried excels this year, isn’t that pretty damn objective? And also directly relevant?
Last thing, and I’m done. If I’m wrong about Knight, and he becomes the next Isiah Thomas, we can have an entire, “Told you so, Gulks” thread, and I’ll bring the beer.
If I’m wrong, I’ll own it.
You willing to do the same, brother Packey?
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Disliking Knight because we could have had better is analogous to being frustrated with Prince’s contract because we could have had better.
Either thing, in complete isolayshaun, isn’t really awful. It’s the context in which the things occurred that causes the frustration for me.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Over the past ten years, more players that are similar to Knight in terms of draft profile have not made it as successful pros than have made it as succesful pros.
To be fair, a raw low success percentage is only somewhat useful. You’d have to compare to the overall success percentage, or at least whatever type Faried is. I know we all hope Knight will be great; personally, I’m rather doubtful he pulls it off. But there have been other players, like Cole Aldrich, that stats liked and haven’t panned out. Heck, Monroe wasn’t viewed as a great prospect by many here (myself included).
When it comes to Aldrich I think it’s way early to say he hasn’t panned out after just his (injury plagued) rookie season.
These types of comparisons are tough because the barrier for a player like Faried (defense/rebound specialist) to actually get minutes is much higher than it is for scoring guards like Knight.
The obvious choices for recent guys who were loved by stats, fell in the draft, then panned out as the stats suggested they would are Blair and Lawson. The ultimate example of a guy with great college stats who has completely fallen apart in the NBA is Beasley.
Well we all know what happened to Super Cool Beas…………………………..
by garrettelliott on Dec 22, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I never said he would be the next Isiah Thomas so when he likely doesn’t become the next Isiah Thomas, I will not buy any beer (for that reason, but I will happily buy beer for everyone just because)
by Packey on Dec 22, 2011 6:01 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think a true point guard has been a need on this team
For some reason, hours after reading this exchange, I thought about the concept of Knight being a “real point guard” in the sense that Stuckey is not. A bit ago I pulled up their point purity ratings from their last season in college. Sadly, Stuckey scored higher on the point purity rating that Knight did, he opted to pass more often than shoot at a slightly higher clip than BK. I’m talking about tiny fractions here, but enough to put the perspective of Knight as a “real point guard” into question.
Great example of the eyball test vs. the stats test.
Our eyes fail us, dudes. Our own senses just aren’t as reliable as we want them to be.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Our eyes fail us, dudes. Our own senses just aren’t as reliable as we want them to be.
Totally agree. If I had to pick one or the other, I would pick stats every time.
However, you seemed to implicitly agree with the statement that statistics tell the whole story, or something to that effect. Do you really believe that? I’m a huge believer in using hard data to inform all decisions, but I also know that stats just tell you what happens on average. They have a lot less power to predict individual outcomes. Additionally, I’m not aware of any statistical model that accounts for all observed and unobserved variables.
Nevertheless, I don’t think you (royal) should make the perfect the enemy of the good. Stats are better than the eye test, so we should lean more heavily on stats. It’s all about expected value, imo. For that reason, even if Knight exceeds expectations, I wouldn’t call it a good pick. I’d call it getting lucky.
That being said, I think you did misrepresent Packey’s argument. I never got the impression that he was arguing in favor of the absurd 20 and 8 projection. I felt, and I could be totally wrong, that he just thought you were being a little over the top in your criticism. I watched about half of the second preaseason game and was fairly impressed by Knight’s skills. Turns out, once you look at the numbers, he actually played like shit, but it was preseason (and yes I know about the college stats). Anyways, I can see how somebody could come away pleasantly surprised because he looked like he had the physical tools to compete. That doesn’t mean it was a good selection (especially at #8), but I’m not even sure Packey was arguing that. It seemed like he was arguing that you were letting your frustration with dumars affect your evaluation of Knight’s potential.
My opinion is that you’ll probably end up being vindicated and Knight will flame out or hang on as a 3rd pg somewhere. But maybe not. Maybe he’ll learn to harness his athleticism, make better decisions, etc. I’m enough of a fan/homer that I’m willing to focus on that hope and stay positive for at least his rookie year.
In hindsight, I think I reacted to Packey w/r/t the 20/8 thing is because he was responding to a comment in which I was directly responding to BT – the guy who suggested the 20/8 thing in the first place.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
As I said in another comment, I think this just got way overblown.
I made a joke (Daye blocks or Knight TO’s? Because those two things were close to the same in Game One).
BT turned that into a “why do you hate Knight so much?” Which I don’t. I was joking around.
I then further joked around with a list of reasons why I am not high on Knight.
And then Packey hopped in, which I don’t have a problem with at all of course. But his comment was in a specific context, one in which I was criticizing the idea that Knight is anything close to HoF.
Anyway, if I was overreacting (probably was), I think it was due to the context of the conversation.
It seemed like he was arguing that you were letting your frustration with dumars affect your evaluation of Knight’s potential.
I hear this, but I think there’s some misunderstanding.
The Knight pick, to me, represents what is so frustrating about Pistons management over the past few years — eyeballs before hard data.
Part of what made AI so frustrating is not just that he sucked, but that we traded Chauncey to get him. Is it fair to hate on AI because he was traded for a guy who was much better than him? Logically? No. But I think we all did.
I feel similarly about Charlie V and BG. Is it logical and/or fair to hate on them because they’re the crappy players we have instead of Billups? No, but I still do feel that way.
Now, should I hate on Knight because I’m frustrated with Dumars as a GM? No, logically that’s probably not consistent for me to do. And that’s a fair criticism.
But I do think it’s sort of natural as a fan, and to some extent, I think we’ve all done something like this over the past 4 years.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
I was going to ask how Knight’s college stats compared to Stuckey’s. That’s scary. Thanks MFMP.
by garrettelliott on Dec 22, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you hate Knight so much?
Duuuuuuuuuuuude. Duuuuuuuuuuuuude. Chill with the hyperbole and misrepresentation. Having a pessimistic opinion about someone, especially when it is objectively based, does not equal “hate”. Gurks has been pretty specific about his concerns.
I think Packey pretty much summed up how a lot of his distaste isn’t objective
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by bearded thundar on Dec 21, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I think Gulks is being extra hard on Knight, but hopefully those are the types of things that inspire him and drive him to be a better player and both teams played hard!!!!!
/cliche’d
by garrettelliott on Dec 21, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What does that have to do with your recent trend of complaining about other people’s opinions and then misrepresenting them with hyperbole??
What does that have to do with your recent trend of complaining about other people’s opinions and then misrepresenting them with hyperbole
Straw man. Seems to me that you’re the only person here attack other people’s characters, not arguments.
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 22, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think that word means what you think it means.
A Straw Man is the misrepresentation of all or part of another’s argument in order to more easily refute it. MP basically just accused you of being a bit of a dick. I don’t see how that can be called a straw man.
Straw man.
I don’t think you fully grasp the concept.
Seems to me that you’re the only person here attack other people’s characters
I get very involved in debates here. Sometimes the debates get heated. Sometimes I’ll get really frustrated and handle things poorly. Do I ever attack other people’s characters? No, BT. I can be a hothead, stubborn, insensitive prick but I’m pretty adamant about focusing on someone’s opinion, not their character.
I suggested above that you should avoid hyperbole and misrepresentation. The comment I’m replying to is a continuation of that. And it’s getting really, really old man.
I wish Gores
wouldv’e taken an executive decision and gotten rid of Hooper…reminds me of the teal jersey days
I'm on 3 different antibiotics, am in between IV drips and my left cheek is twice it's normal size
So my commentary is sure to be keen tonight.
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rec'd for it's
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recd for percocet
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 7:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes.
After a knee started growing out of my face.
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kind of off topic
but it’s strange to watch a game at Quicken Loans arena when Dan Gilbert is all about Detroit
Our sideline reporter has The. Worst. Hair.
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by heWizard on Dec 20, 2011 7:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
recs on behalf of Mrs Gurks
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 7:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
At least Trump’s hair has personality.
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Too Much Personality
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by V. on Dec 20, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
holy big ball starting lineup batman
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 7:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Am I the only one who thinks this starting lineup should be…. permanent?
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 7:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No TV, no radio, no legal internet feeds....
You guys better be good tonight. You are my only real connection to this game. I’m counting on you!!!
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What does legal mean?
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 7:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
GWAH HAH HAH HAH
Foolish Piston fans
You will all feel the wrath of true Cavalier power…right before you are vanquished
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A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
been busy with college
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God damn Daye is a stringbean lookin’ motherfucker
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it's official
you traded your cow for a bunch of magic beans
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A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
When did we have a cow on this team?
Could it rebound? If so, I’ll be pissed if we traded it away.
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When did we have a cow on this team?
Could it rebound? If so, I’ll be pissed if we traded it away.
My federal building is way cooler than your federal building.
Know what a overweight Austin Daye is?
Charlie Villanueva.
Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
Link 2 is working
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Taking that back
Also blocked
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Is Daye looking as good as his stats seem to suggest?
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He's also 6 inches taller than Anthony Parker
Which, ya know, he should be using
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I could get used to this lineup.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 7:28 PM EST via Android app reply actions
isolayshaun
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 7:30 PM EST via Android app reply actions
He's always right on the verge of being out of control
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Knight looks like he's giving it his all
he had ball hog moments on Kentucky but i see the smarts everyone talks about coming out
Nothing wrong with bring on the verge of out of control
As long as he doesn’t cross that verge.
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Just an observation
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Jake Voshkul's in the game!
This is exciting somehow.
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borderline hall of fame player if you ask me.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 7:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think it's safe to say
This lineup sucks
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How awesome would it be...
if “personal reasons” was actually an unannounced trade of BG to some place + CV getting amnestied.
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by The Boourns on Dec 20, 2011 7:41 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Also...what the fuck...Knight opens up a killer lead and actually plays point
Stuckey comes in and so far all he’s done is get lucky with a blocking foul…
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My boss is gone
And somehow that completely legal feed isn’t blocked at my work computer!! I AM SO HAPPY!!!!
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by bugman222 on Dec 20, 2011 7:42 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Let's here it
for the only time we’ll score 30 in a quarter all year.
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WOW
rec’d for here.
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Lets here it for me maxing out my Heavy Armor skill in skyrim!
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Get back to us when you max out
Heavy Petting
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If Frank isn't an idiot
and i think and sweet jesus i hope he isn’t he will see that the starting five were strong
It ain't pretty, and it doesn't go in the majority of the time, but Stuckey's game sure is ugly.
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a homeless Wade
with a slight crack adiction
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 20, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you're supposed to use "but" there.
As that would imply the last statement was contrary.
I think “and” makes more sense.
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 20, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
obviously you don't get it.
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"Rodney lost the handle"
What is something Blaha will say 50+ times this season.
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By the way,
I’ve been playing the shit out of Star Wars: The Old Republic. I don’t play MMOs but for some reason I love this game.
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 20, 2011 7:50 PM EST reply actions
Rodney missed a pretty shot
But Max ate the leftovers
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I always wonder what Christmas is like at the Maxiell's.
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 20, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Brandon Knight: Created shots for his team, made smart decisions. Took no dumb shots.
Rodney Stuckey: Tackled somebody and got to shoot some freebies.
I thought of the Alter Bridge song Isolation...
and it seemed kinda poetic about Tayshaun.
When all is lost to you inside
When all the darkness takes the light
The ritual it has begun
And now you tear away from everyone
Disconnected so alone yeah
Severed ties from all you know
Isolation Brings you to the end
Until you love again
Isolation If you could only see
What will come to be
ON THIS DAY
I SEE CLEARLY…
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 20, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
stuck has to be a-scared
knight looks like the real deal. or maybe it’s ben gordon….someone is gonna lose major minutes because of knight
Have faith in Lawrence Frank.
In fact, we need t-shirts! T-shirts that say “Faith in Frank.”
I’ll buy a dozen!
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 20, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Tristan Thompson looks good for them so far
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I'm interested to see what happens when Knight comes back in
if the boys get back into it like they were from the get i will be a hesitant believer
how the hell
did daniel gibson get the nickname “boobie”? and more than that how does he deal with it?
Heh, just look at him.
Do you think he minds being called boobie?
Joe D: "We need to add one more big"
Really? One big? Two or three would be much better.
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You gotta start small.
To go big.
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 20, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Joe figures out how to add a big soon....
it’s sort of his job.
I believe in Harvey Dent Brandon Knight.
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 20, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Ramon Sessions missing both free throws.
Psssh, why would you want him over Stuckey?
/pokesthebearsincehesnothere
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 20, 2011 8:10 PM EST reply actions
Oh SHIT!
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 20, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hamilton is starting tonight....
Will Chicago love him or hate him? From what I remember Rip always starts the season poorly.
Yes, hang your head in disgust Tayshaun.
Not blocking out Varejao is buffoonery but you chose to play here.
All the time relaxed.
It is really strange to hear joe talking about wanting a big man. He spent every resource at his disposal, draft picks free agent money et cetera, pursuing guard and perimeter players and now he wants to add a big man after doing all that? What resources do we have left? No wonder you can’t figure out how to do it. It’s next to impossible now.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 8:18 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Ryan What'shisface...
he could be anywhere from 18 years old to 40 and I would believe anything you told me.
All the time relaxed.
Honestly
i’m just happy that i see some light at the end of the tunnel.. i think and hope we won’t suck like we did the last couple of seasons
Hi Kriz
remember me?
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How could anyone forget you Mr. Ocean?
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that's very sweet of you
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puuuuuuuleeeeeeeeease
you really have no bigger fish to fry than the Cavs?
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A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
Bigger fish than the Cavs could probably eat us
Or at least give us some nasty wedgies.
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If we win 19 games this season, it'll be an improvement
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
Laker fans are completely delusional these days
They think they’re still the favorites to win it all, and that this is a championship or bust season.
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
beg pardon?
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A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
Because he's awesome?
We always welcome strangers.
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because you guys are completely insane and one of the most entertaining fanbases I’ve seen
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
WHAT DOES THAT IMAGE HAVE TO DO WITH SOAP?!?!?!!?
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
obviously you had no childhood.
Grrr brings the waffles to Zim which he had made with peanuts and soap.
ew
I watched Power Rangers and Digimon in my childhood, thank you very much
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
good grief
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A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
For The Same Reason...
Spursfan Pistonsfan DBBfan ummmm…that dude Steve from OKC loves us.
I think my sigline says it all anyway…
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by V. on Dec 20, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
the best kind of fan
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A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
Because he's the hero Detroit deserves...
But not the one it needs right now. So, we’ll play him, because he can take it. Because he’s not our hero. He’s a silent point guard. A watchful distributor. A Dark Brandon Knight.
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 20, 2011 8:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Do you mean here or in general?
I use MSPaint and Imageshack.
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 20, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
TIME TO MEET
AND GREET
THE BALLAZ
WHO REPRESENT THE
CLEVELAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND
CAVALIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS
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yeah...you guys poser'd just about every aspect of Pistons basketball
from the thunder stix, to the wig night (Ben’s Fro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Varejoke’s Sideshow Bob Mop) to the pyrotechnics and the announcer.
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by V. on Dec 21, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
We have a long, shortened season upon us.
Bad news is I really don’t like watching half our team. The good news is I can move straight onto Lottery dreaming.
I'm off to point the pink pistol at the porcelain firing range.
The Good News Is
..it will take us 6 weeks longer to play out of playoff contention.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 20, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Jerebko looking out of sorts. Come on beautiful!
by Gabe F-B on Dec 20, 2011 8:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
6 possessions, 4 turnovers
Not a good way to start the half
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Yikes
If Pistons fans are bitches then what are Cavs fans?
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Hos?
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 20, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd For Hos
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by V. on Dec 21, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yikes
If Browns fans are stupid then what are Lions fans?
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That's dumb.
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Brady is a prick in the same way that Kobe is...
the difference is, Kobe is getting a divorce and Brady is fucking Jizelle (Jazelle?)
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I like JIZZelle better.
it more accurately represents my thoughts and actions when I say the name.
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Thats not sexist...
Its a fact of life. She’s bonified hot as fucking hell…
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nor do i
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One thing Brady clearly is not, is a homosexual.
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and..............is that supposed to be an insult?
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Playoff-bound.
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I advice you to be very careful right now
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 20, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I actually would like to see the Lions win at least one playoff game
For once
I hope you guys beat the stuffing out of the Saints.
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A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
are you too young to have missed their only playoff game?
because they’ve won one. Also, at least the Lions have always been in Detroit…the Browns of today are at best a reflection of the teams of old. Baltimore owns that history, not you, Cleveland.
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Lions fans are coke addicts currently in the midst of one helluva cocaine bender...
when the high finally ends is another question entirely, but for now, we’re flyin’ high.
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Enjoy it while it lasts
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who says I'm not going to?
just so I understand, when was the last time the Browns had anything even resembling an exciting, playoff contending team?
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in the NFL, I root for the Seahawks
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Fuck the Seahawks.
I’m sick of co-workers and randoms alike telling me how they hate the Lions because they’re ruining the Seahawks chances of making the playoffs. Hey newsflash Seattle, you guys are barely football fans.
Don’t get me wrong. I love the Seahawks team. Marshawn Lynch is accurately defined as “a Beast”. But Seahawks fans in Seattle are ridiculous.
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Like I said, I'm happy that the Lions are finally winning.
The Seahawks have no one to blame but themselves for losing to teams like the Browns.
And Seahawks fans are more than just barely football fans. They’re the loudest and most influential in the NFL.
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The loudness of Century Link field is inaccurately placed on the fans, as opposed to the design of the stadium itself
See the overhangs on either side? Those overhangs feature acoustic panels that reflect sound that were installed for concerts but enhance the noise level of the entire stadium.
And the reason why Seahawks fans yell so loud at football games isn’t because they’re great fans. Its because the Seattle area is filled with passive aggressive fucks who don’t know how to unleash their anger in any other way than yelling at a football field. Hell, half of them don’t even know whats going on…they’re just yelling.
I’ve lived here for the past 5+ years…Seattle fans that don’t have season tickets are as fair weather as they come.
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lol
next time the seahawks and lions play, we should watch it together
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are you in seattle?
and yeah I was at the last Lions game where they played in Seattle. I got rip-roarin’ drunk.
Lions went up 17 points or so in the 1st half and all the fans around me were bitching at me and my buddy…respectful mind you, but being bitchy regardless. I told them that if there was a lead the lions couldn’t blow, I hadn’t seen it. Needless to say, the Lions lost by 7-10 points that day and I walked out with a paper bag with holes cut out for eyes on my head.
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Amazing. What a story.
Like a true Lions fan.
Yeah, I live in the Pacific Northwest.
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I would totally meet up the next time the lions play the seahawks in seattle...
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Unlike Coke
this high is going to last a while, I think
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by V. on Dec 20, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
How come when Jonas took that baseline jumper, the other four guys were at least 20 feet away from the basket?
I don’t get that.
The Pistons had 30 points after the first quarter, right?
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 8:45 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I was just about to say I turned the stream on at half,
and the Pistons haven’t scored since.
What would Earl Boykins do?
Well...
I don’t see an image…but maybe that’s because I’m using Google Chrome
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Dude
Your sister’s hot.
All the time relaxed.
by Supa Dupe on Dec 20, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
er...........
is that madpoopz’s sister?
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ah........
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should I know who Moose is?
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take it back
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 8:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Irving appears to be the real deal.
also, next practice should be post entry passes 101
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 8:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Is that Fred McLeod? That guy is a total douche bag...
I know…I went to high school with his son…and it is definitely like father, like son.
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Zipped yourself again, huh?
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by heWizard on Dec 20, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You were on the right track...
but you got your link wrong. You need to right click the image and select “copy image url” and that is what you copy into the comment box thing. The correct link should end with .jpg or similar.
Also
make sure you don’t have the http:// part in there twice… I do that every time I go to post a picture. Also, use the preview button until it works.
All the time relaxed.
I know it was mentioned above
But this Android app is pretty slick
by Rob Rogacki on Dec 20, 2011 8:50 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Ugh
We suck, huh?
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When Valve releases Half-Life 2: Episode 3
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impressions
we suck.
little concerned about jerebko.
but i look at the cavs lineup and it looks like shit, and if we can’t even beat shit this is going to be a long short season.
better shit than last season, at least
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he's forcing
he’s trying to dribble too much. needs to relax and be the player he is, not try to be who he’s not
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 8:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you could say the same for daye
he thinks he’s better than he is. trying to be flashy.
Awesome.
Hey Rodney, here’s this new contract but you have to PROMISE to be great, ok?
All the time relaxed.
Kinda bummed here
but Knight is shooting 25% so far in the preseason. Next step: Hall of Fame.
by Mike Payne on Dec 20, 2011 8:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
hey there big boy
Someone asked if I was still a Cavs fan. Yes indeed. It’s gonna take a lot more than one really shitty season to turn me away from them forever.
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first guy to ever shoot below 30% for his career
and average 20 per game.
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Is that Uzbekistan?
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by The Boourns on Dec 20, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That quaint Middle Eastern country?
All the time relaxed.
by Supa Dupe on Dec 20, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's Racistan.
Located in Euromerica.
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by FMFDOC8404 on Dec 20, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i really really wish
our GM wasn’t a SG….as long as he is our GM Joe D will forever look for the dude he was or wished to be
When you're 6'11"
Nearly every pass is a low pass.
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How...
Did Boobie Gibson destroy us in consecutive playoff games. Guy is awful.
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I don't know
Game 6 was the greatest night of his career.
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I watched a 13 minute video of Game 5 highlights the other day
I dunno. Felt like punishing myself. Though I actually came away from it feeling better about the whole thing. The Pistons were winning or controlling the game basically the whole way. They were the better team. LeBron just couldn’t miss. Happens.
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Its called "The Fix is in."
The easiest way for Stern to fix that game without drawing major heat for potential collusion was to give the points/free throws to Gibson. Having looked at Gibson’s career, I can confidently tell you that he has never accumulated as many free throws in two consecutive games as he did against the Pistons in that series.
Statistical anomaly or Stern wanting his golden boy in the Finals…you be the judge.
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Game Six, Lakers-Kings
Game Five, Heat-Mavs
Coincidentally, saw both of those games at the Palms. As much of a joke the officiating was in the Mavs-Heat game (Wade would get the call, even though there was no defender within a Zip Code of him), it was much worse with the Lakers and Kings (no way would the Kings be allowed to win).
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by V. on Dec 21, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
unfortunately
we always seem to get destroyed by someone who shouldn’t destroy us…i think crap players look forward to playing us so they can have a big game
with only 2 preseason games
i’m not sure if you should treat them as essentially practices. if this team looks like this were looking at a top 3 pick.
First 30 games are going to be "practice" for any team that has had any major shift in personnel
whether it be players or coaches…Sadly, the Pistons have changes in both.
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What exactly did we do that constitutes a major shift in personnel?
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different coaches, different ownership, Rip gone, Macklin, Knight, Jerebko coming back...
I’m not saying JoD has done a lot…but if there had been no lockout, Frank could have been building his defense over the course of 4-5 months as opposed to trying to teach it in 3 weeks.
I think Frank and his coaching staff is the most impactful shift and hence why I think the Pistons will be playing practice style basketball for a big part of the season.
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in other news
the bulls are winning. and rip is 3-5 with 2 boards and 2 assists in 12 minutes.
oh................
That’s horrible. I thought he had lifetime immunity here.
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The opposite of that
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
what did he do wrong?
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besides being a bitch?
Being a conceited, entitled, disruptive, cancerous bitch.
Or maybe it was something else, I can speak for the Gulk
WWGMD?
locker room cancer helped stage a boycott and sucked at basketball.
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Look At It This Way
Rip doesn’t veto the buyout that sends him to Cleveland (allegedly), there’s no new #7 to cheer for this year.
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by V. on Dec 21, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Hamilton gives the Bulls the missing piece they need to whip the Heat
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Over 400 comments in a preseason game thread. Awesome.
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:06 PM EST via Android app reply actions
no way
Cavs know no shame.
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That would explain the team colors.
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you wish you had a player with that hairstyle
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by V. on Dec 21, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
just jumping in here
anything noteworthy happen during this game? anyone look especially good/terrible?
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Just looking at the box score....how'd we call 22 timeouts?
Oh, thats not what TO stands for?
by Bag on Dec 20, 2011 9:10 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Are you a Cavs fan?
Cause I see 22 turnovers by the Cavs…
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This is good
Im working up that Pistons game anger during the preseason
They might manage to kill me this time around
WWGMD?
Please don't let that happen
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Hey Detroit,
you might actually win this game. How do you feel about that?
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Knight isn't good at basketball
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Is This Your New Handle?
BGVAA?
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by V. on Dec 21, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Contrasting styles from the rookie PGs indeed.
That being, Kyrie Irving looks good and Knight looks like shit.
Nice spin, Greg!
All the time relaxed.
fade away three over a double
have to agree
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
All right, I have a birthday party to go to
I’ll see you guys later. Thanks for keeping me entertained!
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knight
is looking almost exactly like i evisioned. which is not a good thing.
+1
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you know it
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you like turnovers and missed shots?
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
2nd preseason game on a shortened training camp for a guy that supposedly had no PG skills
So far I’ve liked more than I’ve disliked.
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 20, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I shoulda said decent game.
and honestly the lineups he’s been involved with have been so shoddy that I won’t judge his young PG abilities off this game and the last one alone.
he's been a better playmaker than i anticipated
that’s about it. so that does give some hope i suppose.
I don't think Chauncey could do much with some of these lineups...
and I’m not trying to excuse his turnovers entirely, but he needs development and I think he’s showing more potential than he was originally getting credit for as a PG.
don't worry.
they won’t play starting on the 26th.
...checked the box score
Maclin. 5 Bebounds in 5 minutes? Keep it up.
Charlie… nevermind.
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people still watch wrestling?
you know its like not real…right? I mean aside from Owen Hart that is…
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I'm just fucking with ya...
I don’t have the time to watch it anymore but I’ve always loved me some wrestling. From Hacksaw to the Macho Man, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Papa Shango…I could go on.
Always hated Ric Flair though…dudes pecs were disgusting…
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His Twitter account is a riot.
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by V. on Dec 21, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Read my mind.
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by heWizard on Dec 20, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
being an hopeless optimist
this game means nothing…I have faith in frank, i have to. i really really hope thisgame is a learning experience on who he’ll play when the season starts
correct
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well played
How many games will Detroit win this year?
The drugs have not limited your ability to do math
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm predicting 65-1
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Moose has not looked good tonight. :/
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I think he is been fine. He just isn’t getting the ball very much. He is rebounding well and he is active.
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I guess I’m just working from the “best player on our team” barometer. I want to see him guide this team.
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IMO, the problem this team has is guards who shoot too much. Monroe never gets the ball. This was a problem last year too.
I want Monroe to be a leader too, but it’s hard when you’re a big man in you have to depend on other people getting you the ball.
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I hear you there. And agree. That last possession was a good example of what I think we’d all like to see. Set Moose up on the block in crunch time, allow him to make a play. He found the open man. (Shot didn’t go down, but still…it was the right play).
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Plus he has had to deal with that Verabitch all night
Feel for the guy
(ok im gonna quit the bitch thing now)
WWGMD?
8 points, 7 boards, 2 steals, 1 turnover, 3-5 shooting?
Really? I mean I know the game is almost over, but thats not terrible…just not quite to our expectations…Make that 10 points, 7 boards…
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This is not a real game
Frank is figuring out his line up…rookie mistake shit to judge this like it were a real game
Was that the first count that baby and a foul or have I just not been listening?
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based on knights performance in these 2 games i can safely say
he may be horrible, a future hall of famer or just ok.
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after one game
i’d say the bulls are pretty happy with Rip.
Jake Voskul is working really hard for that minimum contract. he’s cheering harder than anyone in the building.
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
2-9, 6 turnovers.
Against the Cavs.
Brandon Knight ain’t the answer (at least not yet).
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Guess this Piston preseason review:
_ had a terrible preseason, pretty much across the board. He shot poorly, he turned the ball over a lot, he didn’t rebound well and he looked completely out of place on the court. The only consolation I can take in the abysmal preseason __ had— is that ______ had a really bad preseason too. Actually, that really doesn’t make me feel better at all.
the difference
is knight looks exactly like he did in college. he looks like the player he is. a bad volume shooter that turns the ball over a lot.
except for, you know
he hasn’t done any volume shooting in his two games. He’s completely been focused on being a PG and running the offense. He took 6 shots tonight. What did he take last week? 5, 6, or 7? I know it wasn’t a lot.
Yes, he’s had some TOs, but our entire team kicked the ball today. It was hardly just Knight. Everyone here (well, mostly brgulker) has been talking about how great Irving looks compared to Knight. Kyrie shot 4-13 on Friday. He scored 21 total because the pistons apparently game planned around sending him and Samuels to the line 25 times apiece.
I agree with Kriz’s sentiment. I like more than I’ve disliked so far. I’m not on BT’s level with 20 and 8, but I already feel more comfortable with Knight at PG than either Stuckey or Bynum. I really, honestly do.
And of course, I’m hoping he gets better as the season goes on. This whole discussion is kinda pointless until we see if he improves or not. Right now, he’s ok. He’s nothing special.
from dandresden above:
he may be horrible, a future hall of famer or just ok.
by freywagg on Dec 20, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Way Too Early ToTell
But a lot of little things he does, I like. I mean, he’s 20yo, has had 10 days or so of practice and 2 exhibition games. No Summer League this year or anything of that to help polish his game.
The only way you can tell at this point is by feel. I have a good feeling about him.
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by V. on Dec 21, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Knight had mire turnovers tonight than made baskets in two preseason games. Gonna be a ling process.
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
ling? really?
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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2011 9:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You’re fuckling it all up, gulks.
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Or My BlackBerry
I can use either mobile or full version. RIM kind of sucks these days though and I’m probably heading towards a ‘droid next year myself, but I haven’t been Mr, Gadget Guy in a long time.
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by V. on Dec 21, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
crazy yes
but if Frank is the coach we need him to be i like the way this game has gone…he;s figuring shit out
Hrm.
When Knight got that ball, was that good or bad?
That was a HOF level ‘over the back’ maneuver.
by Colin M on Dec 20, 2011 9:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Alright, that’s quite enough out of you, young lady.
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ty lawson, 6 rebounds in 14 minutes, leads team. Go shorty.
tyler hansbrough, 22pts 12 rebs. is he really going to be a crazy beast in the nba as well?
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Calling people out and getting called out is all for the greater good and strength of the site, and why it’s my fav. Punks.
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by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Dec 21, 2011 10:06 PM EST reply actions
EVERYONE IS WRONG EXCEPT FOR ME!!!!1!!
My federal building is way cooler than your federal building.
Keepin’ the streak alive since mid-2011, baby!
by garrettelliott on Dec 23, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I used to say that way back on the old black background site, when things got weird and heated.
by garrettelliott on Dec 23, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Is this Uzbekistan?
I wrote a book about time travel. Buy it and/or die. http://www.thetimetravelguide.com
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