NBA free agents 2011 grades - Part 2
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 24, 2011 12:34 AM EST
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Kris Humphries - Nets - 1 yr. $8M
Grade: A-
This might explain why K-Hump has gone so long without resigning. Based on last year's production, $8M per year is a solid value. but is this the kind of guy you trust to replicate a contract year season? If he was looking for, say 4y/$40M, do you give that to arguably the league's most unpopular player? For the Nets, one year is a risk worth taking, that it took this long makes more sense now.
Steve Novak - Knicks - 1 yr. Vet. Minimum
Grade: A
What's irritating about this signing is they wanted James Posey. So the Knicks get measurably better pretty much by accident. Hard not to like a 40% 3P shooter in D'Antoni's offense.
Sam Dalembert - Rockets - 2 yrs. $14M
Grade: C+
This seems like a frustration signing to me. They are overpaying for Dalembert when there are any number of serviceable bigs going for much cheaper. He isn't going to improve the offense with last year's 51% TS, but he is a strong defender. Based on his per-minute production, he'll need to go beyond the 25 mpg to which he has become accustomed for this contract to make sense.
Baron Davis - Knicks - 1 yr. $2.5M
Grade: C+
Not the worst idea ever. When motivated, Davis is a solid enough player, and they aren't teeming with solutions at the point. If he can shoot efficiently enough, he is a strong enough defender to at least be a stopgap solution until the Knicks get Chris Paul somebody solid at the point. On the other hand, if things go south, a knife fight between him and Carmelo Anthony is quite possible. So, win-win.
Reggie Wiliams - Bobcats 2 yrs. $5M
Grade:B
In theory, this is a great signing. Williams is a very efficient offensive player, inexperienced enough there might be room to improve, and comes at a bargain. In reality, his defense will almost certainly keep him on the bench.
Tracy McGrady - Hawks 1 yr. Vet. Minimum
Grade: B+
Remains a solid end-of-rotation player who doesn't hurt you at either end of the floor. At a certain point, you have to wonder if he's going to remain excited about having a small role. Easily worth the minimum to have him around, though.
Vince Carter - Mavericks - 3 yrs. $9M
Grade: C
Carter showed major signs of slowing down, and the Mavs are going to need to fill in the gaps with small contracts down the road if they are going to keep their window open. Most troubling is his underrated defense slipped during his stint with the Suns. He'll be replacing Caron Butler, so he won't cost the Mavs any wins, but they'll be paying him when he's 37.
Carl Landry - Hornets - 1 yr. $9M
Grade: B-
Landry, who looked like a star in the making a couple of seasons ago, has floundered since he was traded from the Rockets two seasons ago. Once an extremely efficient shooter and rebounder, Landry has regressed into a modestly dependable scorer. Still, overpaying for bigs, especially bigs with a recent history of being top performers, isn't the worst thing you can do, and it's only one season, during which Landry will certainly be angling for a long term deal.
Grant Hill - Suns - 1 yr. $6.5M
Grade:C
From a purely basketball perspective, this is simply overpaying. If they are looking to take back more salary in a potential Nash deal, or maybe land some talent in a sign and trade with a contender, this deal makes sense. I wonder, though, if they were sweetening the deal in order to dissuade Hill from retiring.
Nick Young - Wizards - 1 yr. $3.7M
Grade: C+
Young was apparently demanding $8-10M per year. This, of course, is ridiculous, but it is perhaps a sign of some new restraint he didn't get his wish. A few seasons ago, teams would have been clamoring for a 26 y.o. fresh of a 17 ppg campaign. Now, the market is a bit more muted. He's basically a poor-man's J.R. Smith, so this isn't the worst deal in the world, but I'm not going to get excited about it.
Arron Afflalo - Nuggets - 5 yrs. $43M
Grade: B
Spellcheck's reputation is that off defensive stopper, but his defensive rating was the worst on the Nuggets last season, while his offensive rating was 2nd to Nene (and 6th in the league, and 95th all-time). Of course, his offensive efficiency alone is reason enough to lock him down, and the defensive metrics seem to be missing a bit of what he brings to the table. The Nuggets overpaid, but Afflalo was a hot commodity, and the Nuggets need him if they are going to compete the next three seasons.
Shannon Brown - Suns - 1 yr. $3.5M
Grade: B+
This deal would have made more sense for the Lakers than for the Suns, who adorably think they are in win-now mode. Brown can't shoot at all, but he's a good defender who has "journeymen" written all over him. Some day, 11 years from now, we'll be watching some second round playoff game, and Shannon Brown will enter the game, and we'll be all like, didn't he used to play for the Spartans?
Jeff Green - Celtics - 1 yr. $9M
Grade: F
I wish Green the best, but I'm grading this contract even if the Celtics aren't on the hook for it. I do not understand their infatuation with this guy.
Marquis Daniels - Celtics - 1 yr. vet. Minimum
Jeff Green in five years.
Daequan Cook - Thunder - 2 yrs. - $6.4M
Grade: A-
It's not often a player comes along who can shoot threes this well and (see below) this prolifically. Cook shot one every four minutes, and did so at a 42% clip. Considering the team's other personnel, he doesn't need to do much more, and it's certainly enough to earn his modest contract.
Jamaal Magloire - Raptors - 1 yr. Vet. Min.
Grade: F
Enough with this guy, already.
Vladimir Radmanovic - Hawks - 1 yr. Vet. Minimum
Grade: B
If they can persuade him to do nothing but shoot three pointers, this might be a steal. If not, he'll be the 12th man right quick.
Jason Collins - Hawks - 1 yr. Vet Minimum
Grade: C
Allegedly necessary to stop Dwight Howard. Dunno if that's worth a roster spot, but the price is right.
Delonte West - Lowes - $11.75 hr.
Grade: B+
Based on a small sample size, to be certain, but there's no denying Delonte's performance in flooring and he brings strong customer service skills to the table. Nice low risk move for Lowes. Home Depot has already offset replaced West's output with Gus Terwilliger, who used to be the assistant manager at the old K-Mart down the street. Gus was a bit down on his luck, but has really gotten his life together, and everybody whose worked with him says he's a really hard worker. He has a dog now, named freckles and he's renting a townhouse over on 7th, so transportation isn't an issue.
Shane Battier - Heat - 3 yrs. $9M
Grade: B+
The Heat need a guy who can play efficiently off the ball and knock down threes, and Battier can do that. He isn't the lockdown defender he once was, but they aren't paying lockdown defender prices. One has to imagine Battier will find ways to be effective as he ages, but the Heat need to look outside the "aging role players" box if they want to be the best in the NBA.
Shelden Williams - Nets - 1 yr. Vet. Minimum
Grade: B
Soild "rounding out the rotation" guy. The Nets were hurting for depth last year, but the trio of Williams, Humphries and Okur should be solid enough that if they can get production 4-9, they'll be in good shape. This is a good signing toward that end.
Shawne Williams - Nets - 2 yrs. $5M
Grade: B-
Same as the above, but with more upside/downside.
Marco Belinelli - Hornets - 1 yr. $3.3M
Grade: B
Dunno that the Hornets should be in "let's round out the roster with a three-point specialist" mode. Also, I'm not sure any team should be in that mode. Truth is, these guys are almost never content to do what they are good at, and you their percentages are unreliable because of sample size. End rant.
Luc Mbah etc... - Bucks - 4 yrs. $19M
Grade: A
Basketball math. Elite defenders cost about 60% as much as shooting guards who cannot shoot, but do so a lot. In the NBA, it is a better idea to eschew defense, and simply shoot contested 18 foot fadeaways.
Aaron Gray - Raptors - 1 yr. Vet min.
Grade: B
He's seven feet tall and does things seven-feet-tall people do sometimes. In other words, he is the best defender in the history of the Toronto Raptors
James Jones - Heat - 3 yrs. $4.5M
Grade: A
A three point specialist who is content to shoot threes? Perfect. Also, congrats to the Heat on basically inking a player to a multi-year contract for the veteran minimum. You don't see that very often.
Mario Chalmers - Heat - 3 yrs. - $12M
Grade: C
He's a solid defender, but he can't shoot, and the Heat desperately need a point guard who can. Not sure who they were bidding against at this price.
Mike Bibby - Knicks - Doesn't matter
Grade: D
a) He can no longer string together a full season, so he'll be burnt out come playoff time. b) I'll bet any amount of money he's the Knicks starting point guard in the playoffs.
Earl Watson - Jazz - Vet. Minimum
Grade: D
Why is this guy still in the league? He wasn't even good in college.
Jason Kapono - Lakers - Vet. Minimum
Grade: F
This is what happens when three-point specialists refuse to shoot three pointers. You could've been Jon Barry, dude, or even Brent Barry. Instead, you're a poor man's Vladimir Radmanovic.
Kurt Thomas - Blazers - 2 yrs. Cheap
Grade: A
Seems to be one of those players that can get it done into his early 40s. I have no mathematical analysis to back that up. Even so, the risk is low and he's an effective player, so why not?
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Well Done, Kevin
I’m posting this from my BB Bold, because I’m not cool enough to go out and get a ‘Droid, let alone that bitchin’ new SBN Android App.
I tend to agree with pretty much all of your analsys here. The point I want to make has to do with all tthese teams overpaying for bigss, and why we have so few bigs on our roster.
Dumars has always looked for value in negotiatinng contracts (very similar to Gores), and since it appears to be a seller’s market for bigs right now, I don’t think we’ll be doing much buying. Better to go to the lottery next year, which is a PF-heavy draft, and talent heavy as well, see what you have and build from there.
By this time next fall, assuming everyone develops properly, you could have a decent core to build from.
It could have been worse for Delonte, he could have dallen completely off the map and ended up at Ace Hardware, or, heaven forbid, True Value.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 24, 2011 1:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Shouldve
Tried for a job at Enterprise Rent-a-Car, because they got an excellent corporate structure and they..they give you the tools to be your own boss.
We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne
Finally just looked up this Delonte reference.
It seems like Delonte was making a pretty funny and/or sarcastic point and actually helped the local business where he worked (and seemed to frequent anyway). The headline impressions would have you think that he lost all his millions and actually had to look for work at a Home Depot. Some assholes would tell me during the lockout that the players would be flipping burgers or working at the big convenience store chains if they couldn’t play basketball. This dude actually goes out and fills out applications for those places. It’s f**king hilarious. And it was nowhere near as hard as the work he does in the NBA. Kudos to mutha-fuckin (literally) Delonte West.
What's a hundred million between friends? Make a deal and let's get on with it.
by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Dec 24, 2011 4:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gloria James rec'd this.
All the time relaxed.
by Supa Dupe on Dec 24, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
EAN
Enterprise got sued by the US DOJ many years ago, seems like they only wanted to hire white males who had just gotten out of college. Actually, we’re going back to the late ‘80s….not that far back. I’ve always boycotted them for that reason, but since they bought Alamo/National, who I do a lot of business with (previous owner Vanguard, who had excellent record in hiring minorities).
I didn’t know the story behind Delonte’s job apps. Kinda weird, but so is he.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 24, 2011 5:25 AM EST up reply actions
I learn the strangest shit from this site...
My federal building is way cooler than your federal building.
Dalembert for $7M this year and a second year team option is a C+? This for a true center who has averaged 82 games a season over the last five seasons (who else in the league has done that?). This for a guy with the 4th and 8th highest season rebounding rates over the last three seasons (behind only Marcus Camby and Dwight Howard).
The league’s most durable center, one of its absolutely premier rebounders, a solid shot-blocker and a serious defender just went for less than Rodney Stuckey earned, and only one year guaranteed.
Might wanna re-think that C+ grade, guy.
Centers need to do three things well. Rebound, defend, and shoot efficiently.
His rebounding rate was 11th last year. His TS% was 48th. He was in the second tear in defensive efficiency. Put that together, and his WS/48 was a below-average .072.
You can make the case for and against last year being an anomaly. On the pro side, the Kings were pretty much dysfunctional, and dragged down other players who had performed better in other locales. On the con side, Dalembert is turning 30.
The Rockets are smarter about using their players effectively, based on player strengths, but that goes for any player joining their team.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 24, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure how hard you look at these players when you rank them, I’m guessing just a quick glance at season averages. With Dalembert, looking at his 2010-11 season averages belies his value. This is the reason sports writers glossed over Greg Monroe’s rookie season.
You can make the case for and against last year being an anomaly.
You absolutely can. Prior to 2010-11, he started every game of for four years straight, with consistent minutes from November to April. In 2010-11, he only played 21 minutes a game prior to the All Star break and only started 20 games.
After the All Star break, he returned to the starting lineup with 30 minutes a game— and he averaged 11 points, 11 rebounds and a block, on par with what dude has done for the last four years.
On the con side, Dalembert is turning 30.
Which would matter if this were a long-term contract. It’s not. Houston is only on the hook for one year.
I look at per minute stats and advanced metrics, not season averages. I don’t put a lot of stock in end-of-season surges unless they come from rookies. Moose’s WS/48 was .143, twice that of Dalembert, FWIW. This is in large part because his PER is four points higher.
Age matters once players get close to 30. They start to deteriorate at that point, especially when they play 82 games for four seasons straight. For this contract to make sense, he has to bounce back.
I didn’t realize year two was a team option, but they are still on the hook for a $1.5M buyout, and the length of the contract was never the problem anyway.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 24, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
What NBA do you watch!
You give a A- to Humpfrie signing and a C+ for Dalembert for almost the same money and Houston is in control of a 2nd yr team option
Humphries was better last season, and this was his first opportunity to play consistently. If he pans out, the Nets can resign him to a long-term deal throughout his peak performance years. Not so with Dalembert.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 24, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
To be clear though
I do see what you’re saying. I just think when you compare it to the other grades you gave, specifically the Humphries one, it’s a little off. They both essentially have one year deals and like you said Hump is not the kind of guy you trust to duplicate last season. Dalembert has a much better chance of replicating his previous seasons of production
Right, but Dalembert’s production last season was unspectacular, and Humphries was very good.
PER
Dalembert – 14.1
Humphries – 17.8
WS/48
Dalembert – .072
Humphries – .125
Humphries is also way ahead in terms of any of the myriad WP48 numbers floating out there.
Here’s the thing. Rebounds and defense are undervalued. While elite bigs (Howard, Nene, Chandler, Bosh) outearn even their huge contracts, the second-tier usually comes cheap. The way to exploit the market is to max out an elite big, while grabbing other bigs at bargain prices.
The Rockets tried to do just this, but David Stern decided he didn’t want them to have Pau Gasol, and they whiffed on Marc Gasol (I think they perceive him to be elite). So they settled for a middling contract for a middling player. Nothing catastrophic, but it doesn’t do much for them.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 24, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with most of what you are saying BUT:
Dalembert gives you a paint and rim protection experienced presence that Humpfries can not. My point is not that Dalembert is a better player than Humpfries but what he does for the rockets is greater. The last half of last season the the biggest hole in the overachieving Rockets was rim protection. For this reason the grade is higher. IF and its a big IF the returning Rocket players play as they finished last year the addition of Dalembert along with so other minor signing should be a much improved Rockets.
I look at per minute stats and advanced metrics, not season averages.
Those per minute stats and advanced metrics are based on season averages. His season averages are skewed due to a changed role and slashed minutes for more than half of the season.
Moose’s WS/48 was .143, twice that of Dalembert, FWIW
It’s worth a grain of salt. WinShares are calculated by comparing points (OWS) and defensive possessions (OWS) against the total win number of a player’s team. The problem with comparing the two is that 1) Sacramento won less games than Detroit, 2) Dalembert scored less than Monroe and 3) he was featured on a lesser number of defensive possessions. As he relates to his own team’s win total, Dalembert was less involved statistically.
WinShares, like O/D-RTGs, are useful in a team context, and less useful for cross-team player comparisons.
For this contract to make sense, he has to bounce back.
No, for this contract to make sense, Houston has to give him the same role and minutes that Philly did, plain and simple.
Personally, I’ve always found Dalembert’s defense to be slightly overrated. He does get lots of blocks, but he also chases them and gets out of position frequently. Marcus Camby used to do the same thing. Camby stopped, I’m not sure if Dalembert has.
Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 24, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve always found Dalembert’s defense to be slightly overrated.
I agree with you, Dalembert’s defense is over-rated. He’s not an elite defender by any means, and despite his respectable foul numbers, he’s always been quick to pick up a second foul early on and need to be taken out of the game. He doesn’t have the body control that has been exemplified by Ben Wallace in his career, he gets himself into trouble by forcing his defense and then getting whistled. It’s one of the reasons Dalembert never really cracks 30mpg in his career.
That said, he’s still quite a solid defensive player, and in the right context, he can be very effective. I was hoping he’d sign with Detroit this summer, because I feel he’s an ideal low-cost, short-term option to start alongside Greg Monroe. Monroe is more of a natural 4 than a 5, and Dalembert can protect the rim and block shots in a way Monroe cannot. Together, their offensive and defensive games suggest a solid match, covering up for eachother’s weaknesses. On a two or three year deal, front-loaded, Dalembert could have ultimately shifted to a bench role with heavy minutes, starting as needed, with a third big in the rotation from the 2012 draft.
When I heard the terms of the Houston deal, I facepalm’d, because that’s a surprisingly affordable contract for a 10/10 center who doesn’t get injured and likes to block shots. I was pissed it wasn’t Detroit inking that contract… I’m still pissed. Hey, we got ourselves that point shooting guard for $8M/yr. that we don’t need…
Dalembert is not an elite Center.
In todays market he is a bargin at less than 8mil. His signing with the Rockets will allow better development For Hill and Thabeet. I hope things work out that he stays on later as depth like Mutumbo was his last few years. As I said before what makes this a great signing is what it brings to the Rockets without hurting your future. I agree it would have worked well for Detroit but I am a Rockets fan.
I agree.
He will be making less than Tayshaun Prince and Charlie Villanueva next season. The second year team option with $1.5 million guaranteed is just a great signing.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Well, yes, it’s not an idiotic Joe D. type of deal. That doesn’t make it good.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 24, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Great read! By NBA GM standards this wasn’t the horror show offseason that it could have been.
Though I would give signing Nick Young to any amount of money an F.
Yeah, after a few idiotic moves by incompetently managed teams (Warriors, T-Wolves, Pistons, Clippers) things settled down, and a lot of teams got nice value.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 24, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I’m still surprised we didn’t make any play for Humphries. Yes, last year was his best, but I would be willing to take a 2-3 year bet that it wasn’t a total fluke.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
I’m not surprised. Joe Dumars makes decisions with his (ample) gut. No gut guy is going to sign Kris Humphries for any amount of money.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 24, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Joe D’s signings are about character and value (which is again, why I felt the AI trade was about the contract, it certainly wasn’t about character).
I don’t know about the Kardashians, but I don’t see Dumars signing a guy who’s attracted to the Hollywood crowd-usually too many distractions.
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by V. on Dec 24, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s about character. He thought we needed a “superstar” and AI seemed like superstar to him, so he traded our best player for him.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 24, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Overpayment and 1 year contracts
I think it’s pretty hard to overpay on a one year deal if you’re giving a one year deal to fill an immediate roster need.
If that contract isn’t killing your cap flexibility and/or putting you over the tax, there’s no harm in any of those contracts (Grant Hill’s, too).
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
EXACTLY
and any time you can add a 2nd year as a TEAM option that just makes it better.
OT but I was at the Lions game today
Fantastic that they made the playoffs. I wonder when the next time that will happen for the Pistons. Or how long into the season it will be before they win 10 games. Sigh. But hurray for the Lions!
I predicted that they'll win 15 games
So their tenth win should come around, oh, April 17th against Cleveland. This tenth win, of course, is the first of six straight wins to end the season, thus further deluding Dumars into thinking that his “team” has finally “got it.” Riding this wave of lunacy, Dumars signs Villanueva to an extension through 2017.
How is Dalembert a C+?
Only 1 year of that contract is guaranteed. Just 7 million. The Warriors signing Kwame Brown for 7 million makes the Dalembert signing look amazing. We did not overpay him, and by only having one year guaranteed, we’ll still be able to be active in next year’s FA.
The signing is a win-win for us.
Best case scenario: Centers are always valued in this league, especially defensive guys like Dalembert, who is still fairly young. We could trade Dalembert at the deadline, and probably get a decent haul of young guys for him. Injuries are impossible to avoid, and if a contending team loses their center, I’d bet they be willing to overpay for Dalembert.
Worst case scenario: Simply put, we let him go after this season. Like I said earlier, his contract does not limit us in FA.
I don’t see how this signing isn’t at least a B+, especially when you consider Jordan Hill (absolutely not a center) and Hasheem Thabeet are our options at center.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
We could trade Dalembert at the deadline, and probably get a decent haul of young guys for him.
If by “decent haul of young guys” you mean a second-round draft pick in 2016, then you are correct. He’s piece of a trade if not a a throw-in, at best, in your scenario.
Dalembert for Kevin Love and Derrick Williams works under the new CBA
I love the signing, but I don’t think he’s got more value than a late pick and an unproven prospect should a shallow playoff team suffer an injury and run-on sentences are awesome.
To be fair, if we had signed Dalembert to the deal he got
and then traded him for a 2016 2nd round pick, we’d be getting a solid TPE along with it (not to be confused with a TDP), which in of itself would be a valuable option for JoD.
That said, with a seemingly increase in larger valued 1 year contracts, I’m curious how it will impact the value of expiring contracts in today’s NBA. If team’s push for shorter contracts on a consistent basis, then there will be far fewer teams needing to trade picks and pieces for expiring just to get out of salary cap hell.
I’m guessing this is something that JoD has not yet figured out…
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by The Boourns on Dec 25, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
What’s going to happen is, if you want big money, you’ll have to play for a shorter contract. With deals topping out at 4 years, expirings are far less valuable.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 25, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
If $7M is a bargain, they should have signed him up for a few years. If it isn’t they are overpaying (and will have paid $8.5M for one year of his services). The worst case scenario is $8.5M for a player who didn’t work out. That’s bad.
If Dalembert’s expiring wasn’t worth a haul of young guys for a contender last year, it won’t be this year. The new CBA penalizes “spend now” owners more than ever.
He’s 30, and so not young, fairly or otherwise.
I think Houston could have been patient since they are not at the cusp of a championship.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 25, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Aren't there minimum salary levels in the new CBA?
I don’t know who else they’ve signed/re-signed and ShamSports isn’t up to date but by my count they’ve spent around $43M without Dalembert. What is the minimum level a team has to spend in the new CBA?
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by The Boourns on Dec 25, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
We had no choice but to sign him.
Jordan Hill, one of our more talented young players, would start at center. He’s got good offensive potential, he’s a good rebounder, and he’s a decent shot blocker. The one thing that kills him is defense. He actually tries, but he just sucks at it. To start him at center would ruin him. He would get demolished on defense, and his confidence would eventually be non-existent. We can now move him back to the 4, his natural position.
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by bone31crusher on Dec 25, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
40% FG 36% 3P
Dude can’t shoot. Finals are a small sample size.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 25, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
yeah...
for a team like the Heat, where you have 3 superstars to draw the vast majority of attention away from you, most of Chalmers shots taken should more or less be wide open, uncontested shots…especially shooting from beyond the arc. The fact that he should just under 40% for the season only further exemplifies how desperate the Heat are for a legitimate point guard. The fact that the Heat opted to over-pay for Chalmers when Billups could have been had for $2.1M is only evidence of the “one trick pony” nature that Riley seems to be (make gigantic collusion like acquisitions based on the friendship of his players and fail at filling his team with solid role players).
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by The Boourns on Dec 25, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think they assumed Billups would clear Waivers. So Riley is also willing to engage in small-scale collusion. Donald Sterling is happy to be a jackass, and God bless him.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 25, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Heat Thought Probably...
he’d clear waivers and they could sign him to veterans minimum.
When you’ve committed just about all of your payroll to four players, one of which you’re vastly underpaying (I wonder what kind of back end deal Haslem has with Arison, God, did he leave a lot of money on the table), your best strategy is to get a lot of vets hungry for a ring, and hope they still have something left in the tank.
Bibby should have retired two years ago, and Z, who I actually liked, it was obvious he was done last year. Chauncey has a lot left, and I’m surprised he hasn’t gotten the love he’s deserved from the media. I mean, the Knicks fans know.
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by V. on Dec 25, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, man... If Chauncey had signed with Miami...
it honestly wouldn’t have affected my life all that much, but boy, would I have been disappointed!
I guess my point is that no one was likely bidding for Chalmers...
had they held off on Chalmers and simply offered some of their cap space to Billups, they could have easily gotten him for well below Billups actual worth.
And as far as Sterling is concerned, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he wins all the waiver wire pick ups just because he’s such a cheap fucking bastard.
Does anyone know if a team who picks a player up off amnesty waivers can then trade him per the standard trade rules (90 days from signing the contract) or are you not allowed to do so?
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by The Boourns on Dec 26, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
from what i heard here on dbb
and no, i don’t have a link, if you claim a player off of amnesty waivers, he is yours for the season— you cannot trade that player until after the season ends.
ummm weird
i was trying to say thats what i heard as well. reply fail.
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Reminds me of Tevor Ariza's case.
When LA beat Boston in the finals, Ariza couldn’t miss from 3. When he came to Houston, he was god awful from 3.
Just because Chalmers got hot in the playoffs doesn’t mean he’s a good 3 point shooter. He’s an average one at best.
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by bone31crusher on Dec 25, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
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by V. on Dec 25, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Chauncey on Heat ...
Riley should have made a play for Billups, because he’d be a huge difference maker for them. The only area of his game you can fault him on is defense, and they have enough studs theer to make up the difference. His ability to take and make big shots would have been all they need. Since I pretty much hate the Heat, I’m happy he’s not there. But I think he’s got a lot left in the tank. Knicks are going to miss him …
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