Tayshaun Prince - 4 Years, $27 Million
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 8, 2011 2:49 PM EST
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Great news everyone. According to Yahoo! Sports, Tayshaun Prince will resign with the Pistons for 4 years and $27 million.
This move demonstrated Joe Dumars' commitment to keeping intact a roster that won 30 games last year. If the Pistons can win 30 games this year, they'll be 30-32, which should be good for ninth in the Eastern Conference. Do not examine the logic of what I just wrote.
Let's all just take a deep breath and be glad Tayshaun Prince can retire as a Piston. That, moreso than, say, wins, is what really matters. Some players have a hard time locking down a big payday when they are 34 years old. This signing is a strong stand against the agism that too often plagues championship teams.
And I think we're all looking forward to Prince-to-Singler for the next four years. I know I am.
Fortunately, Prince doesn't have back problems. Everything is unicorns.
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I’m surprised it was this cheap to keep him. I like it. Prince deserves to retire here, and it shows his loyalty to the team. He didn’t have to stay here. And anyways, we were very thin at the SF spot (just Daye).
Langlois doesn't have enough Koolaid to sell me on this.
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 8, 2011 3:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm really interested in Khandor's take.
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Again, Joe Dumars stands alone as one of the NBA's leaders
After the owners got alot of what they wanted in this lockout, the door was open for more responsible decision making and less misguided contracts. Who better than Joe Dumars to show that teams can continue to make asinine decisions and trap their teams in luxury tax limbo.
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by tads on Dec 8, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
next up
GLEN DAVIS!
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
I figured prince would be back. I’m just happy the contract is reasonable.
by Piztonz on Dec 8, 2011 3:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
What does this mean?
http://twitter.com/#!/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/144873722698936320
Hornets have signed former Pistons forward @dsummers35 to a make-good contract.
WWGMD?
The consensus among those who claim to know about such things is that a make good contract is simply an invitation to training camp. If the player makes the team, then the contract becomes guaranteed, if not, the contract can be bought out at a minuscule portion of its overall worth.
http://thechasedown.blogspot.com/2010/09/jargon-tracker-make-good-contract.html
Seriously though...
You remember that block, right?
by Packfill on Dec 8, 2011 3:24 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Seriously
That block was worth a mill…NO, 27 MILLION DOLLARS!
I honestly think JoD was gonna let Tay go until he went on youtube and saw how much of a defensive asset he is
We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne
And yet, they still re-signed him
vgoodwill Vincent Goodwill
Wallace said Prince was the vocal leader last year. Not sure what you guys will make of that. #Pistons
WWGMD?
HOW IS THIS A GOOD THING?
He either:
1) Lead the Revolt (Buffoonery, anyone?)
2) Was completely ineffective at preventing it.
SIGN THAT MAN TO A NEW CONTRACT!
by Big Z in Orlando on Dec 8, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
What V Goodwill Said
Of course, I’m partial to guys named “V”, but ummm…duh.
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by V. on Dec 9, 2011 4:49 AM EST up reply actions
Facepalm!
Just hope that Chunky and Ben won’t be back(Ben Gordon that is…)
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Overreaction abound
I’m not quite sure why everyone is going all Jared Allen and wanting to jump into the river.
This deal is at a nice price. Tayshaun isn’t declining, and his skill-set is one that is pretty maintainable throughout at least the first three years of this contract. Which is also easy to move. If I told you that Prince would start this year and get 30 MPG (34 in ’09-10, 32 in ’10-11), then possibly get moved in the middle of/after the ’12-13 season, would everyone till be running for the medicine cabinet?
hahahahahhaahahahahahaha
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Canary in a coal mine
“then possibly get moved in the middle”
And what makes you think Joe D will be able to flip Tay for anything, anything at all? That trade where he got rid of that asshole Hamilton? oh wait….
the point isn’t whether Tay does or does not have any skills that are useful to RANDOM NBA team, the point is that Joe D is delusional if he thinks that team is the one he’s running (into the ground).
Well I think some of this is based on the following assumptions
1) Lawrence Frank will run a better offense that is focused on Monroe rather than Tayshaun (Frank already committed to this in an interview recently)
2) Lawrence Frank will maximize the talent he’s given rather than poorly utilize it.
3) Tayshaun will continue to perform at a comparable level to the past 2-3 years offensively
Assuming Frank ends up getting the most of his players or at least the players that are capable of getting something out of, I think its reasonable to expect Tayshaun’s value to be maintained through the next 3 years.
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He has been the same offensive player
For nearly a decade, through several coaches. He isn’t going to change now. His decline has been on the defensive end.
I disagree with you on this one.
For one, he played power forward for a good bit of a couple of seasons during the Michael Curry and John Kuester small ball eras. Secondly, Kuester opted to run his entire offense through Tayshaun and last season he saw the highest usage rate of his career.
While I agree with you that Tay has had the same moves for years, many of those moves are still effective at the right time during the game. Essentially, my argument for Tayshaun hinges entirely on the concept that our previous two coaches have been truly abysmal and that Frank will help right that area.
Lastly, defensive ability can be heavily influenced by your entire team’s ability to defend. The Pistons as a team have gotten worse and worse as a team at the defensive end so it should stand to reason that Tay’s stats would decay as well. Of course some of the drop off in defensive prowess for the Pistons can be attributed to Tay specifically, but I think this is a relationship that can impact one another if that makes sense.
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by The Boourns on Dec 8, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I am agreeing with The Boourns on this
I really don’t think the problem we’ve been having is Tay, or that getting rid of Tay would solve problems.
Not getting rid of Tay prevents us from making other moves that would improve us.
Further, the team is marginally worse off without Tay. JJ + Daye manning the SF is, what, a couple L’s worse than Tay manning it?
If retaining Tay were the difference between begin an 8th seed and a 4th seed, I wouldn’t mind this contract. But right now, it’s the difference beween a .350 winning percentage and a .320 winning percentage, and more importantly, a draft position or two.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Not getting rid of Rip or BG prevents that.
Not getting rid of CV prevents that. Because they are wildly overpaid and/or duplicative talents. Heck, arguably keeping Stuckey hurts us because I’m still not convinced he’s ever going to be a good starting point guard (I could see him as a valuable first-guard-off-the-bench, but that’s not his role here). I don’t see how keeping Tay hurts us anywhere near as much.
Now I agree that keeping Tay doesn’t make us all that much better. But basically we need to swap guards for bigs.
Tay’s contract is worse than Charlie’s contract, IMHO.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Really?
CV is so much worse than Tay as a player. . . And I don’t have illusions about the sum of Tay’s skills.
One more thing. How come when I post “we don’t have any freakin’ bigs,” I get lots of replies about how JJ has bulked up and he’ll be fine at the 4. Now that we’re keeping Tay, suddenly there’s a bunch of posts saying this will create a logjam at the 3, in part because of JJ. Hey, I originally thought JJ was more of a 3, but I had honestly become convinced he was more of a 4. . . .
Tayshaun is going to be 35 years old on the last year of that deal.
Who’s worth more in three years? Charlie or Tay?
Painful as it is to say, I’ll say Charlie.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
SURLY GURKS!
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 8, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this
I think a lot of the negativity surrounding the Prince deal is actually displaced negativity from the Rip mess, the waste of cap space on BG/CV, and the loss of decent young talent like Afflalo and Amir at the expense of low effort attitude problems. Finally, here the team was about to clear out one veteran who we all watched on a bad team for several years and the calendar would take care of a problem and….Joe Dumars resigns him to a somewhat large and long deal.
Head explodes!
The Pistons had to sign some players to make the minimum salary level and they are there now. Everything depends on cutting some of the dead wood with an amnesty deal and giving playing time to players who are increasing in value.
At this price, Prince is still an asset and can be traded. It’s not like the Rip or BG or CV situation at all.
The Pistons had to sign some players to make the minimum salary level and they are there now.
We’re at $55 million now, $58 if Stuckey accepts the qualifying offer, even more if he signs a deal. $58 was the cap last season. We’re not at the minimum salary level, we’re at or over the cap.
I think a lot of the negativity surrounding the Prince deal is actually displaced negativity from the Rip mess
For me, it’s that Tay was the weakest link during the Going to Work playoff campaigns, one of the leading dissenters last season, and most importantly, a less effective small forward than Jerebko was during his rookie season.
Head explodes!
It does, because this stunted our youth movement and tied up even more cap space in amongst $40 mil in annually wasted salary. How do we grow out from under 40 tons of concrete?
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
The Cap
You know a lot more about the cap than I do but if the Pistons amnesty one of Rip, BG, or CV they are again well under the cap. Being just over the cap gives you the $5M mid-level exception, being under gives you the $2.5M exception. Sign Stuckey and you are just over the cap again. So over is good if you want to compete.
The average NBA salary is about $5.4M per year. Prince is getting a slight premium over that but he’s also got 9 seasons with the same team.
The dissent stuff is subjective. For me, Prince accurately described the state of the Pistons last year, buffoonery.
According to 82games Prince had the best simple rating of any Piston last year, meaning the Pistons sucked least when he was on the court. Jerebko is a nice player and I’m thrilled he is a Piston but he’s all potential right now and coming off of an injury.
My blueprint for growing is use the amnesty clause to cut BG, let Rip’s deal expire, and trade CV’s garbage contract for somebody else’s garbage and move on.
Gores is a smart guy and I’m sure he’s got a plan. Some owners have a plan to make money running the team by spending as little as possible. It works. Donald Sterling is a very successful owner from a business point of view. Nobody know if Gores wants to be Micky Arison or Donald Sterling. We’ll see.
I don't get the sense Gores has any intent of using the amnesty provision.
We’re stuck with Joe’s fuckery, and this just makes the financial situation even more fuckery.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
The average NBA salary is about $5.4M per year. Prince is getting a slight premium over that but he’s also got 9 seasons with the same team.
The problem is that this is an unnecessary expense. The Pistons would have performed fine without Prince in 2011-12, we have much greater roster needs. We have two young small forwards on contract, one of whom performed better at SF than Tay did in 2009-10. If we wanted to shore up the position with a backup vet, that would make sense to me for a few million. But $30 million? Makes zero sense given that this wasn’t a roster need.
According to 82games Prince had the best simple rating of any Piston last year
Simple rating is kind of a junk stat, it relies too much on player v. opponent statistics which are very loosely collected. This, and a lot of other things 82games does are really not that valuable. They do who on/off-court numbers though, and Prince was definitely not our best player there. A solid metric to use here is O/D-rating differential, an area where Prince was one of the worst on our team (and Monroe was the best).
My blueprint for growing is use the amnesty clause to cut BG, let Rip’s deal expire, and trade CV’s garbage contract for somebody else’s garbage and move on.
I support your blueprint, MFJTrip. My issue is this $7.5 million in wasted money on a player this team-in-transition doesn’t need and doesn’t benefit from.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
I'm OK with re-signing Prince
If the team turns around AT ALL some of the bitterness of the last few years will fade and Detroit fans will be happy to have had Prince as a Piston his whole career. Championship ring, Olympic gold medal, one of best plays in NBA history, one of the 50 best skinny players of all-time. I know there will be moments when he makes me happy in the future. Prince has many flaws but the fan in me says this is a decent move.
I've always liked Tayshaun
However, I don’t think the contract is all that great and he’s preventing the young guys from getting much needed minutes.
That said I’m happy i get to see him in a pistons uniform for a few more years. I’ve always enjoyed watching him play.
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everyone is going all Jared Allen and wanting to jump into the river
What does this mean?
by Birdman84 on Dec 8, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I Get The "Easy To Move" Part
But I’m with the majority here (as a soon to be former Dumars defender)that this signing didn’t make sense, and all of KS’s sarcastic talking points ring with me.
We have a young starting SF, whose initials are JJ. We have a young backup SF/SG, why we need Taty around anymore, unless this is part of a longer strategy?
Even though I’m steams at Dumars for doing this, I still don’t see Tay retiring a Piston. He’s getting dealt sometime during the first half of this contract.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 8, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Could we have had Kris Humphries for about this price point?
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
I'm still hoping for a Stuckey-for-Humphries sign and trade that own't happen
It would make too much sense for JOD to actually do it.
How's that for a slice of fried gold?
by Thom not Tom Gores on Dec 8, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Could the masterplan be to re-unite the 04 Championship core???
Get Chauncey off waivers and coax Sheed out of retirement!
sigh
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Corliss?
Just give me Darvin Ham and some Black Eye Peas and I’m all set for the inevitable Championship run.
Now I swore to myself that I wouldn't get too excited when the NBA comes back because I think it's watered down & a mostly boring casual fan sport that features a game people call basketball (in other words, NCAA Hoops is far superior). However, I can't lie, I am excited but then I looked at the Pistons' roster and went right back to thinking about how much potential the Michigan State University Basketball Spartans' roster has for this year and going into March Madness.
by DBB Diablo on Dec 8, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dumars has truly gotten retarded up in here.
by TDP on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm not sure how I'm going to cheer for this team.
I mean, yes, Jerebko and Monroe. There will be two guys who will play hard and perform well.
But beyond that? There’s just nothing to be excited about. Maybe Knight will have a few good games? I honestly don’t even know how to be a fan of this team right now.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
And of course, the Bucks snag Dunleavy for 2 years / $7.5 million.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Dunleavy sucks.
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i do not like dunleavy
but I would kill for that deal instead of Prince.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
That’s less than Jerebko’s making. If a veteran forward was what Jod needed, the Dunleavy signing just undermines how stupid the Prince deal is.
From a productivity standpoint, the difference between Dunleavy and Prince is what? Certainly not the difference between the two contracts.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Disagree
Dunleavy’s a stiff. Prince is useful, but not here. I agree with you about the signing, but let’s see how this plays out. I still don’t think he’s staying all that long.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 8, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
but let’s see how this plays out
How many times have you said that exact phrase over the last several years?
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
Probably Too Often...
but what else are you going to do?
It’s not like I’m not on the record about how this signing sucks.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 8, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Dunleavy is pretty much the same damn player
His contract is fair and reasonable, given that he is an average player whose skills are almost certain to decline.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like Tay's new deal was used as a reference point...
… because it’s being confirmed that Caron Butler will sign with the Clippers for 3 years, $24M.
http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/33757568
Actually its a bit worse
sam_amick Sam Amick
As first reported by @wojyahoonba, Tayshaun Prince is expected to sign a four-year with Detroit. Source says it’s approximately $30 million.
WWGMD?
ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Tayshaun Prince’s four-year, $30 mill deal with Detroit is my early favorite for worst contract of ’11 offseason
http://twitter.com/#!/ChrisMannixSI/status/144885905159761920
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 8, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol....
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by TDP on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
so essentially the tay deal is $7.5M a year and the Butler deal is $8M a year
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also...if the Clippers preference was Tayshaun, and they gave Butler 3 years/$24M
then what would they have been willing to offer Tay? My guess is they would have given him 3 years for 26 or 4 years for 34.
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Can't even be best at being worst...
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by The Boourns on Dec 8, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like the example this sets
Orchestrate a team-wide boycott of practice. Get rewarded with a bloated contract. Is anyone going to bother respecting the coach?
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 8, 2011 4:20 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
This has always been one of my biggest issues with Dumars.
The players wanted Saunders fired, so Dumars acquiesced. The players wanted Curry as HC, so Dumars gave him the job. The players openly despised Curry, so Dumars fired him after one year. The players publicly turned against Kuester and, again, Dumars bowed to their demands. Time after time, he has kowtowed to whatever his players have wanted and has declined to put a system of accountability in place for his players.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be Lawrence Frank today, because this once again shows that management is undermining his role in the franchise. I don’t know if this team will respect Frank as the head coach, but I damn sure know that they don’t have to respect Frank as a head coach, because that is not what is demanded of them. The clowns are running the circus. Buffoonery indeed.
by Grant E. on Dec 8, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
its the new nba, its a players league
i wish tay and rip would start openly calling out Joe and demanding trades. that would be the icing on the cake.
Especially because it would mean
We might actually trade them!
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I wonder how many Pistons coaches are currently under payroll
6? 8? 27?
We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne
Perhaps
Frank himself had a lot to do with this signing. Maybe he was nostalgic of the block and relished the chance to coach that guy.
I could totally see Frank taking Tayshaun
He was our best player last year, and he’s flexible enough to fit into any offense on the team. The problem is that he is bloating our salary structure and impeding the development of our young forwards. Frank may think he can avoid the disrespect that Tayshaun showed Kuester, which makes sense. Hopefully Frank doesn’t think the same about Rip
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He was our best player last year,
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I don’t even completely understand what’s going on here, but i like it.
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
There are some PtR's
Who were practically pining for Tayshaun. I tried really, really, hard to tell them it was a horrible idea. I think I’m going to share this thread with them, maybe then they’ll understand.
I know much of this has to do with the size/length of the contract (size matters JoD), but I was terrified the Spurs would do something like this for him (or Josh Howard…still not out of the fire yet, there). I also understand the “change of scenery” argument, but bad attitudes are bad attitudes and I’d rather just not have to deal with that.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
Maybe he is setting up the "Stretch" exception
Keeping Tayshaun on the books for a few year and then waiving him with a golden parachute for the next 3 years?
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Christ, I was KIDDING, Joe...I was kidding!
One through four won’t happen…
But Fifth Order of Business surely will:
"Resign Tay for $8 million a year over four years because of his locker room presence and Joe’s gut-level feeling that this team is a lot closer to competing than most people think."
by MrHappyMushroom on Nov 27, 2011 3:39 AM PST
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by MrHappyMushroom on Dec 8, 2011 5:56 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
Holy Mother of God
We have a prophet on our hands.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 8, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I shall spare thee...
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by MrHappyMushroom on Dec 9, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
can you please predict us a miracle trade for Andrew Bynum that doesn’t include Monroe?
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I predict that Joe will trade Monroe for Bynum
For Will Bynum. He’s send Monroe away (to the Nuggets, natch) and take W. Bynum in exchange, (because he forgot that WMFB is already on the roster).
But he’ll also get a second rounder thrown in, which he will use to re-draft Walter Sharpe.
Also Sprach Ziegerthustra….
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by MrHappyMushroom on Dec 9, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
I would just like to point out that the team owned by the league, league that held a lockout and screamed “competitive balance” just traded the guy who is, perhaps, the best PG in the league, for two guys over 30…TO THE LOS ANGELES LAKERS.
That is all.
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 8, 2011 6:12 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Jesus
How will we ever compete again..
We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne
Yeah.
Great deal for the Lakers. They must be thrilled.
For those who don’t know the complete deal… it’s Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom to New Orleans for Chris Paul.
Correction:
Here’s the rundown of the blockbuster three-team deal that’s being finalized according to a tweet from Woj:
Lakers get Paul
Rockets get Gasol
Hornets get Odom, Scola and KMart.
Not sure how the Hornets are going to get KMart out of that contract he signed with the Chinese league basketball team.
Ooops! Self correction:
KMart is Kevin Martin, not Kenyon Martin. My mixup.
It's being finalized as I type this message.
The only hold-up now is determining which and how many draft picks the Hornets will also receive in the deal.
Woj article on this deal has been posted:
The only change I see is that Goran Dragic also goes to the Hornets.
I hate life.
Man crush shipped to the team I hate the most.
Now I swore to myself that I wouldn't get too excited when the NBA comes back because I think it's watered down & a mostly boring casual fan sport that features a game people call basketball (in other words, NCAA Hoops is far superior). However, I can't lie, I am excited but then I looked at the Pistons' roster and went right back to thinking about how much potential the Michigan State University Basketball Spartans' roster has for this year and going into March Madness.
Sucks for the lakers
Grizzlies, Mavericks, Spurs, Trailblazers all will steal their lunch money in the paint.
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Would Joe be interested?
Who are their combo guards?
by Rob Rogacki on Dec 8, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Heh, the only combo guard the Lakers had already signed a one-year deal with the Suns (Shannon Brown).
We don’t need Shannon Brown! We already have a guy who can do CRAZY dunks named Terr— Oh wait.
by garrettelliott on Dec 8, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
we need more wings
maybe Dumars can swindle the Lakers into a Monroe for Metta World Peace trade, straight up. That’d be fucking genius.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
But they still have Mike Brown as their head coach!
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by The Boourns on Dec 8, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
he'll be a COY candidate
sadly
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
no way.
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book it.
he’s a shit coach. i wouldn’t want him within a mile of the Pistons. he’ll also be a COY candidate.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
I'm saying no way mike brown wins CoY
no disagreement on the shit coach.
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I didn't say he wins COY
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
well he's not even going to be a candidate then.
and you’re wrong. so there.
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Bing said it was true
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
by Mike Payne on Dec 9, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Disagree.
The Hornets got 3 good players. Scola’s a nice trade chip, Martin is solid, and the market for Odom will be good, too.
They’ll actually be respectable, I bet.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
they'll be better than us!
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True.
Perhaps we could interest them in a young PG or two…
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Surely by “PG or two” you mean “PG or 2” which means “PG or SG” which means COMBO GUARD.
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by heWizard on Dec 8, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
can we convince them to sign Terrico White
So we can sign and trade him for Stuckey/Tay
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by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Extremely sad
Paul could play almost anywhere and remain likable…except for The Lakers and The Celtics.
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Not So Fast...
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by V. on Dec 8, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yes!
This should hopefully lead us into a top 3 lottery pick. Hooray for silver linings!
I'm off to point the pink pistol at the porcelain firing range.
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Wasn’t Gores supposed to stop Joe from making these types of deals?
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Guess there's no chance we amnesty this contract tomorrow, huh?
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by heWizard on Dec 8, 2011 6:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That would be absolutely a great way to fuck with Prince
Talk about payback lol
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by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
um
how exactly would paying him 30 million dollars to not provide us any services for the next four years be a “fuck you” to prince?
by freywagg on Dec 8, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
my understanding of the amnesty clause
is his contract would just be wiped off the books. If you still have to pay him the money that’s different
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by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
They still get paid the momey in full. The money is guaranteed.
If a player gets re-signed, the team waiving the player only pays the difference of hte old and new contracts.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 8, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec’d for GET DAT MOMEY.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
WE WANT ZE MONEY DUMBOWSKI!
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Am I the only one who thinks Kobe + Chris Paul is a disaster waiting to happen?
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
possibly
I think trading for Paul (and eventually Howard) is by far a smarter long term move than holding onto their old core. Kobe is a smart guy who’s won 5 titles already, I would very be surprised if he’s unwilling to give the keys over to CP3 over time
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by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Chris Paul + Kobe = Bye bye Triangle Offense
Seriously, I thought that offense had overran its course in LA. And head coach Mike Brown probably think the same thing.
Anyway, I think CP and Kobe can actually coexist on the team together as long as Kobe doesn’t feel the need to bring the ball up the court whenever he gets hot from the floor. In other words, let his point guard be the actual floor general for once.
I think Kobe has wanted a floor general for a while
Look at how many different guys the Lakers have brought in via trade, draft or free agency over the past few years. I think he wants someone else who can take the load, just they haven’t been successful in bringing him that guy
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by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Paul isn’t a floor general in the sense that Steve Nash is a floor general.
Paul is more in the dominate the ball like Zeke. There’s only one ball. Paul handles it a lot. So does Kobe. I see problems.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
There’s only one ball. Paul handles it a lot. So does Kobe. I see problems.
At 32, Kobe has no business being ball dominant. At his age, catching and shooting, cutting to the basket and spotting up are his best moves. This move makes Kobe’s twilight years relevant, and gives Paul the best backcourt mate of his career.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
by Mike Payne on Dec 8, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
When you factor in timing points of this career, this move actually makes a lot of sense. It makes Kobe’s life a lot easier because he can just do what he does best, and drain long 2s (you’d think someone would have told him that those are statistically unfavorable by now) and space the floor. In a few years it’s unlikely that Kobe will be scoring much more than 20 ppg anyways, and that’s when CP3 will be at his prime and ready to take full reign of the team
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by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
In theory, sure.
Maybe I’m the only one who sees Kobe as one of the most arrogant basketball players on the planet who has never done a good job of letting his teammates do what they do best (from Shaq to Odom to Gasol).
I could be wrong about him, but I just don’t see him embracing the second banana role. He never has, even when he actually has been.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 8, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I mean, think about all the times we’ve heard Phil Jackson scold Kobe publicly (and who knows how often privately) for taking too many shots, poor shot selection, not involving teammates.
I agree that yes, having a brilliant PG who carries the load would be best for LA. I’m skeptical that Kobe’s ego lets this happen. I see nothing in his history as a player to indicate he is capable of thinking anything other than he’s the best player on the floor at all times.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
I think that so long as Kobe gets his 20 points a game average, and Paul can totally get that out of him, he won’t complain about who’s bringing the ball up the court.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
by Mike Payne on Dec 8, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that’s what i’m thinking
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by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
That's the Theory
Although we may have to wait to see it in practice.
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by V. on Dec 8, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
orly?
Chris Paul has a higher career assist percentage and offensive rating. I think the guy knows how to be a quality floor general. Plus Paul spanked Kobe in the playoffs when they went head to head, I think that was enough to gain his trust
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by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say that critically of Paul. Paul has the ball in his hands a lot. Of course, he’s a brilliant playmaker.
But Kobe is used to being the playmaker, not the guy (such as Rip in his prime) having plays created for him. I see Kobe’s ego as a problem.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Like...Who Cares?
The big winner in that deal is going to be Houston.
But then again, I don’t understand why Jim Buss is calling the shots there and not Jeanie. I don’t get this deal, and I don’t get the Mike Brown hire.
I’ll make this prediction….it’s going to be an interesting season in Lakerland.
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by V. on Dec 8, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
that's debateable
Scola is almost as good as Gasol but on a cheaper contract. Martin just wasn’t a good fit with Houston, but you could have very likely traded him for a lottery pick/another star and ended up with a better team overall than trading for Pau
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by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
mike brown probably doesn’t know how to run the triangle offense, so it was going anyway.
I tend to think Kobe + anyone is a disaster waiting to happen, but if Bynum can be healthy, they’ll probably win a few rings before it falls apart.
I think without Gasol and Odom, they won’t make the finals. I feel like there’s another shoe to drop, because right now they only have one big. Two superstar guards don’t win championships. Two superstar bigs always win championships.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
They still have Bynum
If they turn him into Howard, it doesn’t matter who else is on the roster. They’ll be a more balanced version of the Heat (though with arguably the inferior SG)
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by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
at this point
the lakers HAVE to get howard. if they don’t they took a step back even though they did set themselves up for a brighter future with a Paul/Bynum combo, but presently, in Kobe’s dying days, they have fucked him. as it stands now.
For a minute there
I was about to lash out at you for saying “If they turn him into Howard” before I realized you meant with a trade and not through some sort of experimental gene therapy.
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by heWizard on Dec 8, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
well for what it's worth
I am a bio-electric engineer :D
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by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
Bynum’s the “one” big I mentioned— and he isn’t dominant enough to hold the frontcourt on his own even when he is healthy. More moves a-comin’
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
They desperately need a CV to augment their squad.
CV + Daye for Ron Artest and Shannon Brown… makes PERFECT SENCE.
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by The Boourns on Dec 8, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shannon Brown is a Sun
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Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
by sauce1977 on Dec 8, 2011 6:52 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
SAUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’d rather sign you to a four year deal than Tay. Just sayin.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
i totally get it
it…wait, what?
i’ll probably echo the sentiments because i haven’t read the comments but what the fuck?! 4 years! Is JOD fucking serious?! I can’t wait to see Stuckey’s contract. This should be wonderful. What’s the goal here? I don’t want to live in no mans land forever. This team is directionless. It’s neither going up nor down. JOD is trapping us in some sort of time warp groundhogs day limbo and i feel like it’s never going to end.
I'm not going to shock anyone here
But Hollinger gave the Prince deal a “thumbs up” and the Jonas deal a “thumbs down.”
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JHIAFI
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by brgulker on Dec 8, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This is nauseating
I didn’t watch last year and I won’t be watching Prince collect his check anymore. 12 points and 4 boards for his career. Blistering.
so like
what’s the cap situation looking like these days? do we have enough to offer stuckey the max and not pay luxury?
At some point we need to sign a center…right?
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Will Bynum
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by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
The Wrong Bynum!
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And he doesn’t even have great eyebrows!
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by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Flails arms, gnashes teeth
Fuck you Jod, Isolayshaun
No, no, wait…really?
by Shinons* on Dec 8, 2011 7:53 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
This is another Senryu format
with some rage.
Where broken English happens
by OK from J on Dec 8, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Pistons crumbling
JOD still in charge
All is darkness
by -PS- on Dec 8, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Such buffoons they
are. Dumars, your head’s fat.
Choke on dog semen.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 8, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Drinks at buffalo
wild wings. The skinny one and
the fat one. Cheese sauce.
WORD PLAY
hollywoodsloce.tumblr.com
by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Butter soaked twinkie
Champagne with bacon
Dumars celebrates signing
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
by tads on Dec 8, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
They signed Tayshaun Prince
for twenty-seven million
Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck
by TDP on Dec 8, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There once was a man with a big fat head
He had no clue all of his fans wanted him dead
So he drank bacon soda and over paid
a small forward whose frame was frayed
And whose mouth got toast crumbs out of the bed!
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 8, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Boy cries wolf
Deniro goes after Waingro
Whitney gets back with Bobby
Tyson bites the second ear
You watched the third matrix
Dumars signs Tayshaun
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
by tads on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Like sands in the hour glass…
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 8, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hungry fans make a mob
What’s a mob to a player?
What’s a player to a commish?
What’s a commish to a non-believer? Who don’t believe in anything?
Will we make through the season? Alright, alright…no logic in the NBA.
[Don’t] Watch The NBA
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by heWizard on Dec 9, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Read Like A Screenplay
for a Japanese porn video.
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by V. on Dec 9, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Congrats, guys. At least you have decent… or maybe semi-decent, small forwards.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 8, 2011 7:56 PM EST reply actions
I think I can sum of my feelings pretty easily:
Is this a fair deal for Tayshaun? Yes, not the best but not terrible.
Did I want Tayshaun Prince back?
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by Trout Jefferson on Dec 8, 2011 9:04 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
And voila
The NBA has killed the proposed deal to send Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources tell Yahoo! Sports.
i'm not sure
what pisses me off more: this prince deal or the nba? how the fuck can the league say no. this isn’t a free market. and what do these owners have to gain by complaining? do they really think paul is going to sign with them? quit your bitching already. you own a team in a shit market. deal with it.
i’m sorry but if the league is going to shut down a deal where the hornets found the best deal they deem they can get? no. just no. fuck the nba. gah! why does stern have to be sterny.
by mcflies on Dec 8, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i don't get that rationale
demps’ job is to look out for the best interest of the hornets. that’s what he’s getting paid to do. the nba isn’t vetoing it because it’s a bad trade, they are vetoing it because all these whiny bitch ass owners that just forced us to miss two months of basketball because life isn’t fair and they don’t have a chance and apparently drew the short end of the stick at birth and can’t survive without help or compete because nobody likes them because their money isn’t is good as other cool people’s money…..fuck this.
The deal is that the owners=the NBA,
and the Hornets are owned by the NBA,
therefore, the other 29 owners own the hornets and can veto anything.
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
there’s just something about billionaires complaining about life not being fair that really gets to me. i can’t quite pinpoint it though. huh.
i dont think that blocking trades is what the league had in mind when they took over the hornets. if this is how its going to be they should just contract the team already.
Or sell them to someone in Seattle...
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i dont like the deal either
but cmon, the owners are acting like bitches. its not like he’s going to sign with the bucks or something after this year. just let the dude go to LA.
by dandresden on Dec 8, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That Because The Owners Are Biatches lolololololol....
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by V. on Dec 8, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
The Irony Of The Paul Trade Is Beyond TFF
You have one group of owners, who obviously can’t evaluate how bad this trade is for LAL, asking Stern to intervene from preventing the Big Market team from fucking itself up for years (assuming they don’t have D12 in their back pocket).
This is delicious beyond words, considering the issues that were present during the lockout (the owners wanting to blame the players for their incompetency in negotiating deals with the players).
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by V. on Dec 8, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
That pretty much says it best.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
I completely agree.
I thought the Hornets got a terrific haul of players. Odom, Scola and Martin all can be very good contributors and all three are valuable trade assets if the Hornets want to continue down that path.
I loved the trade from Houston’s perspective. They got the second best player in the trade and were reportedly looking to bring in Nene to play alongside Gasol. That would have been a scary good frontcourt.
To me, the most unpredictable aspect of this trade was on LA’s end. How, exactly, was Paul going to mesh with Kobe? I have as high an opinion of Paul as anyone, but that guy DOMINATES the ball. That’s not a bad thing for a player of his caliber, mind you, but Kobe likes to dominate the ball, too. Obviously, most knowledgeable basketball fans would tell you Paul is better equipped for that role, but I don’t think Kobe would agree with that. His opinion of himself has always been, and will likely always be, inflated.
The Lakers also gave up a major part of their identity from recent years in this trade, namely the ability to overwhelm most other teams with their size. Unless Kobe has irredeemably broken Gasol down mentally, I’m inclined to believe that this team is better served with Bynum/Gasol/Odom in the frontcourt than they are Paul/Bryant in the backcourt.
they can say no because the league owns the Hornets
and Chris Paul is just about the only thing keeping fans in the seats in New Orleans. Chris Paul leaving New Orleans is as close to a guarantee that the team leaves New Orleans shortly thereafter as anything. And I don’t think the league wants to abandon New Orleans at this point.
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The power that David Stern just exercised scares me. The blocking of the CP3 trade is perhaps the scariest precedent in NBA history.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 9, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
This goes beyond the Lakers (which so many hate) and the stars flocking to big markets (which, also, many hate). This goes beyond the pettiness of owners like Gilbert who exploited having a superstar and now its bitter because he has to actually work hard at putting together a team, and beyond protecting stupid owners and GMs.
No one man should have all that power.
They can’t trade CPE now, they have to let him walk in 6 months.
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 9, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I Don't Hate The Lakers, But...
I know Jerry Buss and Frank Mariani a little, they’re great guys. Their fans are the worst, biggest bunch of frontrunners since people rooted for gladiators at the Colosseum. Can’t root for them, but can’t hate them either.
I get what Stern tried to do. He’s trying to prevent the NBA from becoming like the Premier League (or any other major Euro soccer league) , where the Top 5 clubs are the same almost every year (Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, and some combo of Spurs, Newcastle and Liverpool) because they play in big markets (save for Newcastle). But that won’t work here.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this went to court. We’ll see how it plays out.
I’m on ESPN trying to figure out who is dumber, Rob Parker or Skip Bayless (for sheer annoyance factor, Bayless can’t touch Parker on his best day, I wonder how these people got jobs, but I digress), and this story is making them look intelligent. That’s how stupid the veto of the trade is.
I’ve weighed in above on the liabilities for all three teams…unless LAL for sure is getting D12, and it doesn’t look all like it’s a done deal, then this deal is suicidal for them. If a casual BB fan like myself can figure this out, and not an owner like Dan Gilbert, what does that say about the owners’ intelligence?
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by V. on Dec 9, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Even in England the Spurs are consistent :D
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 10, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
CV consistently doesn’t rebound in england as well!
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
not a fan of the deal
but the owners blocking it is some mickey mouse shit.
by dandresden on Dec 8, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This is the worst news I've heard all day.
And my mother was murdered this morning.
Fuck you, Joe Dumars. And a bigger FUCK YOU to Tom Gores. I expected more from you. Dick.
by TDP on Dec 8, 2011 9:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hey everyone, we signed Prince for $8 million a year, four years!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcy8bvhewtU
No seriously, it’s a steal! Scotty Perry heard that the Clippers were going to pay him $20m a year!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=d7iOGfUdn0o
Are you people mentally handicapped? Are you capable of objective thought?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTMsSi65rCI
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You're Doing It Wrong, MFMP
Let me bring my good friend in, her working name was Yoko, she’s a Vietnamese grandma from Dallas who stripped on the morning shift at Crazy Horse 2 in Vegas for many years (when you’re 50+ years old and still shucking clothes for a living, you get the morning shift, which starts at 5a).
“Yoko” is just the dead fucking nuts, like any Vietnamese grandma still hot enough (with a great plastic surgeon, of course) to grind on some drunk dude’s lap at 5a for fun and profit. Her twin sisters are pushing 60, you would never give them a second look ever, but still dancing from drunk guys at 5a too smashed to know better, at Cheetah’s, which is a lower end local’s topless bar, but I digress. The sisters do ok, too, because they’re relentless, in a way someone like CV31 should be.
I know her through video poker primarily, but she’s a local legend. Her boyfriend, a much younger guy, has won millions playing video poker in Vegas until the casinos got tired of all the repetitive winning and bounced him. He now day trades. I promise we’ll discuss machines when y’all interview me sometime next year.
Her Vietexaslish version of the word sounds like something at an Asian rodeo: buuuuuuuuuu-sheeeeee-iiiii and maybe just a hint of “t” at the end. Samuel L. Jackson would be proud to come closer to pronouncing it anywhere near as cool as she does.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 9, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
hopefully the owners will be outraged by tay's deal and DEMAND that it be voided.
by dandresden on Dec 8, 2011 9:26 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
We had 6 free agents this year!
We could revamp 40% of this roster without doing a damn thing!
Why? Why would you bring back Prince? I don’t care if he was willing to sign for $10,000 a year, the guy was one of the biggest negatives on your team last year, on and off the court! You wanted to dump Rip for nothing, but you desperately cling to Prince? That doesn’t make a damn bit of sense.
We are literally going to have the same lineup minus Wilcox, McGrady, and Summers and plus Knight and Macklin. I guaran-damn-tee it, there’s going to be no trades, no amnesty, no other signings, we’re going to bring back pretty much the same damn team.
God dammit.
Fuck you, Joe Dumars. That is all that’s left. That is all that is god damn left. I went through these god damn awful seasons just to watch you resign one of your biggest cancers. That’s my life… that’s… you… I’m broken, I’m broken. Good night.
"trout jefferson is using multiple numbers and no swears. I barely recognize you man." - Kurt Mensching
It's the truth.
We’re going to parade some Ike Diogu clone through camp, only for them to suck, and for us to not then have help up front.
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
I hope this only part of something bigger.
Please, god. Make this part of a sign-and-trade.
Dumars is turning me into a nihilist.
Gores is the one who demanded that CP3 not be traded to LAL
it ruined his plans for a TAY/CP3 sign and trade.
absolutely.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
In order of badness:
Trading for Richard Jefferson
Re-signing Richard Jefferson
Amnestying Richard Jefferson (according to sources) without having another SF on our roster
Are you noticing a recurring theme, here?
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
Love What-a-Blair
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds Like A Line From A Bloodhound Gang Song
Definitely NSFW (for the real uncensored version, Google it, it will show up on German video sites)
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 9, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Buford's The Best GM In The League
Though his understudy Presti may give him a run for his money. He gets a mulligan every now and then.
It’s not like there’s any shortage of quality SFs in the league. Ask Joe Dumars if you don’t believe me.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 9, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the problem, man. 1% of the teams (Detroit) are hogging all the SF’s! We (the 99%) demand equitable distribution of SF’s!!!
Occupy Dumars!
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 10, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks, GE. I’m now officially on the roster at PTR. So I may or may not come hang out here quite as often…but I always enjoy it when I do :)
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks man :)
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Prince resigns
My God I stumbled in to the old NBA coaches forum.
Prince is a good signing at that price point. Average NBA salary for an above average player.
What up 2004!!
It’s me, 2011!
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
by Mike Payne on Dec 8, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Average NBA salary for an above average player.
Not even close. Tayshaun Prince brings less to the table than a homeless guy at Thanksgiving dinner.
CLEVER ONE-LINERS. I BROUGHT THEM TO YOU.
by -PS- on Dec 8, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Watching Daye get minutes and experience would have sucked anyway. I’m pretty pumped to watch Prince mail it in the next four years.
Le sigh.
WORD PLAY
hollywoodsloce.tumblr.com
by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 8, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I just put another bullet in my Hello Kitty Magnum.
WORD PLAY
hollywoodsloce.tumblr.com
by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 8, 2011 10:04 PM EST reply actions
That just hit home.
I just realized that my girlfriend will be 16 by the time Prince’s contract expires!
by TDP on Dec 8, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I’ll be able to drink legally and scream about how we let go of Terrico White.
WORD PLAY
hollywoodsloce.tumblr.com
by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 8, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
After the Rockets sign him as a guard off the bench and he torches some random team in the play-offs, becoming the new Sleepy Floyd.
WORD PLAY
hollywoodsloce.tumblr.com
by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
i want the lockout back
rest in peace hope. we had a good run.
Big Pun wasn't thinking of himself when he wrote "Dream Shatterer"
He was actually a psychic who realized how bad the Pistons were.
WORD PLAY
hollywoodsloce.tumblr.com
by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 8, 2011 10:19 PM EST reply actions
Hey everyone, I just had a really positive thought.
On paper, we are the best team in the League.
/Stuckey’d.
Stern looks more hypocritical than ever right now
How can you block the CP3 trade but allow the super friends to get together via sign and trade in free agency (Bosh and LeBron were technically sign and trades so they could be under contract for 6 years)
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 PM EST reply actions
Because he doesn’t own the Lakers.
WORD PLAY
hollywoodsloce.tumblr.com
by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 8, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I guess?
WORD PLAY
hollywoodsloce.tumblr.com
by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 8, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Or Heat/Cavs/Raptors
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
“In the end, David didn’t like that the players were dictating where they wanted to go,” source says.
what’s next? stern kidnaps paul’s family and blackmails him into signing a 5 year deal with milwaukee? stern may have won this round, but he has no chance of influencing paul to go anywhere other than where he wants. in the end he’s only fucking the hornets.
Yeah what happens when the trade deadline comes around and no one else offers a big package in fear of paul just leaving in free agency? Would Stern really stick to his guns and risk the Hornets getting nothing in return? That would mean the end of an already weak franchise
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
What I don't understand is...
How Stern’s reason to veto the trade could be because he “doesn’t like players dictating where they’ll play.” In what way did Paul do this? There are naturally a limited number of suitors for a player of his caliber. AND, no matter where he plays, he’ll have to sign an extension, or he’ll be a free agent at the end of the season, at which point he will get to dictate where he plays. It’s not Paul’s fault New Orleans couldn’t put a competitive team around him. It’s not the Lakers’ fault that they have (arguably) the best package to send to NO, nor should they be penalized for being a desirable place to play basketball (weather, history, money, lifestyle). What the fuck would happen if a top tier player said “I am demanding a trade to Detroit”? Would that be vetoed because the player asked for it? What the fuck planet is this?
I hate the Lakers as much as anyone here (and maybe more, surrounded as I am by mindless Laker Lemmings), but Stern is destroying his own league from the inside out. My excitement for the upcoming season is officially sapped.
/butthurt’d
I wrote a book about time travel. Buy it and/or die. http://www.thetimetravelguide.com
by heWizard on Dec 8, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the kind of unspoken part of what Stern’s logic is, is that he doesn’t like players who are under contract dictating where to go.
I still don’t completely agree with voiding the trade (it’s actually a better deal for NOH than for LA IMO), but I can slightly sympathize with Stern’s logic.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Except he knew what could happen
If he didn’t want CP3 going to a big market he should have talked that with his Gm prior to entering trade negotiations. But having a trade agreed on, it leaks out to the news, everybody knows about it and then you decide to have that “it would look bad if he was traded to a big market team” conversation is just bast management. Worse if the commissioner if the one doing it.
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Completely agree.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 9, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
I'm with heWizard
This was the best NO was going to do for Paul. The real losers here are the New Orleans Hornets, which is sort of deliciously ironic, given that the NBA owns them. Then, of course, there are the NO fans, and all of this sucks royally for them.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
A part of me (a very small part)
Kind of wishes Dwight and Paul would sign as free agents for the Lakers. Just to spite the other 28 owners and Stern.
WWGMD?
there's no way of that being possible
Unless if they either arranged sign and trades or LA pulled a Miami and just trades everyone and amnesties Kobe (and he would agree to a very modest contract in the offseason)
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
SO MANY RECS
The reveal is incredible.
I wrote a book about time travel. Buy it and/or die. http://www.thetimetravelguide.com
Something funny I've been reading
ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
You know what would have helped NOH? And extend-and-trade rule that might have convinced LAC or GSW to part with prime assets. Hey…
WWGMD?
"trout jefferson is using multiple numbers and no swears. I barely recognize you man." - Kurt Mensching
by Trout Jefferson on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Unless it's a good pie.
Then he’s got that shit memorized forwards and backwards.
"trout jefferson is using multiple numbers and no swears. I barely recognize you man." - Kurt Mensching
by Trout Jefferson on Dec 8, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
or also
“But when I do, it’s a day that ends in ‘day’”.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
by Mike Payne on Dec 9, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just realized why JOD did this...
He looked at the roster and said “everyone on this roster is amazing, who am i going to use the amnesty clause on?” … “i guess i’m going to have to resign Tay to a 4 year contract”
Except you can only amnesty players signed before July 1st 2011.
Unless we’re traveling back in time when we sign Prince.
"trout jefferson is using multiple numbers and no swears. I barely recognize you man." - Kurt Mensching
by Trout Jefferson on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I have just the book for you…
I wrote a book about time travel. Buy it and/or die. http://www.thetimetravelguide.com
by heWizard on Dec 9, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am not reading this not gonna happen... but
I feel like this post probably needs at least one of these.
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac187/jumpingblob/Gifs/HahaFatty-1.gif
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac187/jumpingblob/Gifs/soccergoaliefailp1-1.gif
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac187/jumpingblob/Gifs/ballingp1-1.gif
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
And I'm pretty sure Dumars is gonna desere of of these
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac187/jumpingblob/Gifs/dildocopterp1-2.gif
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
Dear Dan Gilbert,
That was stupid and you are stupid.
Sincerely,
Grant E.
by Grant E. on Dec 9, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
okay buuuuutttt...
I thought this was a pretty cool thing to say to David Stern:
“When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?
Please advise….
Dan G."
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
Yes it was.
And I agree with his assertion that all transactions made by the Hornets should have to be approved by an owners’ vote. I do not agree, however, that the Paul trade was unfair to any team.
That is so fucked up though
I get that the team is league owned, so it belongs to all the owners. But how can you get the people you’re supposedly competing against vote on your decisions.
WWGMD?
It is fucked up.
Stern is at fault for putting the owners in this position. He can’t get fired/resign/retire/go away quickly enough, as far as I’m concerned. The Hornets should have been sold long before we reached this point. However, if Stern is going to ask the owners to put down cash to save franchise, it is only fair that they have a say in how the franchise is run.
If only he had ended it with
“Now, your thoughts.”
by Packey on Dec 9, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
dan gilbert bought a franchise in a league where it’s fully aware that star (productive and not illusionary) players have a major impact on wins and losses. he bought a franchise in a league where the demand for star players falls far short of the supply. he has no right to complain as far as i’m concerned. dan gilbert seems to be blinded by this mysterious comptettive equality that doesn’t exist. he owns the frickin cavs! does he think he has a shot at chris paul or dwight howard? this isn’t reality. he certainly wouldn’t think that of his business ventures. he’d understand the market. he’d do research. he’d segregate and do demographic studies and find out where and to whom it’s most advantageous to market his products. he bought a team in cleveland. sorry.
Beat Me To It
This is what’s going to happen
1) Trade blocked
2) Knicks get Chandler, amnesty Chauncey
3) Chauncey signs with Lakers for vet’s min
4) Lakers win next two ’ships.
Gilbert always wanted to own the Pistons, I’m glad he got the Cavs instead (and he’ll have his casinos next year). Even the Maloofs aren’t this stupid.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 9, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Gilbert always wanted to own the Pistons, I’m glad he got the Cavs instead (and he’ll have his casinos next year)
I wish Dan Gilbert owned the Pistons.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
No You Don't.
Next, you’ll be telling me you want us to hire Mike Brown to take over for Frank.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 9, 2011 4:46 AM EST up reply actions
Gilbert may be a moron
Which shows that even a moron realizes when it’s time to tear apart the team and rebuild around youth and the draft.
yeah but
Ramon Sessions.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
touche.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 10, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
WOW
dan gilbert’s argument boils down to financials? i’m so pissed at this i can’t even express it. i’m so confused right now. dan gilbert is basically begging the league to make the lakers spend more money. i thought the discrepancy in spending between small market vs. large market was the sole reason for the lockout. at this point i’m ready to say that what the owners did over the past year is diplorable. discpicable. are there better words? probably. but not nicer. anyone defending the owners just gtfo. so i’m angry. cool. what about the hornets?
I have no gain here obviously. none of us do, unless someone here is a closet lakers fan. but this says something about the league and the owners i can’t respect. paul can choose to sign with whoever he wants. that’s his right. if he puts a list of teams on the table that’s it, that’s the list. if the lakers can offer the best deal off that list and the hornets aren’t allowed to take it then where does that leave them? this is too fucked up. stern needs to answer for this.
I wanted to rant
so I did it in a separate post. Re-signing Tayshaun Prince is a Massive Mistake…
(‘nons, I saw your comment above after I had already begun writing, I didn’t thief you, I promise!)
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
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