NBA Rumors: Detroit Pistons waive Rip Hamilton, according to Free Press
by Matt Watson on Dec 9, 2011 6:38 PM EST
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PrintHuge news from the Detroit Free Press:
Detroit Pistons guard Rip Hamilton is expected to be waived today, according to a personal familiar with the situation.
Hamilton is owed $22 million over the next two seasons. He was set to make $13 million this season before the lockout and $9 million next season.
That article doesn't have a byline, but according to the Freep's Twitter account, the info comes courtesy of Perry Farrell.
What's also interesting is that the Pistons apparently aren't using the amnesty clause to get rid of Hamilton. This could mean a couple of things:
- The Pistons may want to use it on another player. (Chances of that player being Ben Gordon, needless to say, have plummeted.)
- Hamilton and the Pistons agreed to a buyout worth less than the full amount of what he's due. (In other words, it was too expensive to amnesty Hamilton, but he wanted out of Detroit so badly that he was willing to leave money on the table.)
Again, theories about Detroit's motivations to save their amnesty are pure conjecture at this point, but I'm sure more will come out -- perhaps even tonight. The Pistons' first practice was scheduled to begin at 5 p.m., with media availability some 90 minutes later. If nothing else, we may get reaction from his teammates.
I'm also curious what this means, if anything, for Rodney Stuckey. With Hamilton, Tracy McGrady and Terrico White leaving the team, the backcourt is much less crowded. Stay tuned.
Update: Confirmations are pouring in -- this is for real. From Vincent Goodwill:
Pistons source confirms: Rip Hamilton bought out. No Amnesty clause used
From Vince Ellis:
Don't have a figure, but source says buyout considerably less than $20 million he is owed over next two years. Why amnesty wasn't used.
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By the power of Grayskull... I have the power!
by He-Man on Dec 9, 2011 5:44 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
True, and it's still a bad signing...
but this makes it slightly easier on my conscious. Just slightly though.
Before going all crazy and getting all excited
We should first and foremost thank RIP for all the great years he brought us Pistons fans …not to mention a World Championship before things went down hill. But as this move has occurred this is the best for both sides as he gets to get out of mediocracy and a log jammed 2 position and helps us to develop and move on as a rebuilding team. I wish him the best wherever he goes but beyond that this opens the door for us. I hope the Joe doesn’t go and spend all this on Stuckey and have him take the place of yet a 2nd person of our championship team….b/c Stuckey doesn’t deserve that kind of money however I think this is the move to be made since we have resigned him yet heres to hoping JoeD proves me wrong and does something of meaning with this money
Nope
first and foremost we should all do what we’re doing.
a long way down the road, after we forget how much of an ass he’s been in the last couple years, we can thank him for the good times he brought.
Right now is for unabashed celebration!
by freywagg on Dec 9, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, I gotta agree
It would be a way different scenario if Rip gave all impressions of playing hard and trying his best to keep his attitude up while his skills were declining and he was no longer helpful to the team. if that were the case, we’d be glad that he’s moved on and have an unmitigated love for what he did here.
But, yup…he’s been an ass. In my book, still less of an ass than Tay. But that stretch where he kept getting himself thrown out of games? Whiny.
Glad he’s gone. When he returns to the Palace, he gets a sustained ovation.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Dec 10, 2011 3:10 AM EST up reply actions
Great news for us and for Rip.
He can pout for a contender and we can give BG a real chance to show us what he can do (trade value).
Now, if the amnesty isn’t being used here, this just became fucking christmas.
It also makes it easier to have Tay around as the veteran presence. If true, props to JoD.
I'm off to point the pink pistol at the porcelain firing range.
I'm pretty sure
BG got his chance for 2 and a half months last year. What did he do with that? Oh that’s right: he was outplayed at his natural position by Austin Daye, a small forward on a rookie contract.
I'm no Gordon fan.
This move says that JoD is committing to him, at the very least we can hope he plays well enough to increase his trade value.
I'm off to point the pink pistol at the porcelain firing range.
Ben Gordon is your typical “star” on a terrible team. he’ll put up points, and he’ll hurt his team in the process.
What would Earl Boykins do?
Yes sir,
I was just referring to how “stars” on terrible teams, like Monta Ellis for example, actually put up a lot points, like 24 points a game, and still lose. Or like how BG actually used to put up 20 ppg when he played in Chicago.
I thought that's what I was referring to.
BG should/deserves to be on a team where he can be selfish and take a lot of shots. That’s when he’s at his best. He should be on a team, like, Sacremento.
In the end, I think we’re on the same page. Monta Ellis = best crappy team player in da league.
What would Earl Boykins do?
Is he really committing to BG, though?
I mean, I wouldn’t put it past JoD to use the amnesty on BG and then resign Stuckey to play the 2 for a stupid amount of money then hoping Knight can actually play the 1.
Actually, if we were able to get Stuckey cheap I might like that idea..
by BoogieWoogie M.D. on Dec 10, 2011 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
that's a lotttttttttt of money though
If we amnesty BG we’d have to pay off the rest of his contract for no production, which is in the realm of $40 million
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by bearded thundar on Dec 10, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for pointing that out,
I hadn’t thought about how much the team would end up paying him after an amnesty.
Christ, that was a shitty contract.
by BoogieWoogie M.D. on Dec 13, 2011 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
*sigh*
I know we should be hopeful, but I get the feeling we’re going to be hearing the same old rhetoric. “No one’s minutes are guaranteed” and “players will compete for their minutes” which means lots of Austin Daye at SG when what we should do is acquire an ACTUAL SG who isn’t on the downside of his career, playing way out of position, or in the midst of a 2-year slump.
Arron Afflalo?
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by heWizard on Dec 9, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Not necessarily
We saved the amnesty provision when we could have used it. I think Gordon and chunk know why that is.
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
I kinda want
A news article clipping placed in Chunk’s and Gordon’s lockers that says WHO WILL BE THE NEXT TO BE AMNESTIED? Just so they know what they’re playing for
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by detpistons3 on Dec 10, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to guess
he was bought out for $14 million. so how does that work? does he count $7 million against the cap each of the next two seasons? if so i don’t think saving $5.5 million in cap space is all that huge seeing as how we’re about to lock the future away with stuckey, prince, and jerebko this offseason. $7 million in weightless cap space. it’s not even deadweight like Maxiell or CV. it’s just sitting there frozen in time for two years. stuckey’s going to put the team well over the cap and probably even approach the luxury. and there will still be 3 open roster spots.
i just can’t fathom where this will lead. i’m guessing towards an outrageous contract for stuckey. now what if big ben retires? how are we going to fill these roster spots with a payroll of close to $70 million?
But here's the thing..
waiving Rip rather than amnesty clausing him means we can waive CV now. The savings in cap space from Rip + CV is likely higher than the savings had we just waived Rip.
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Also, if we waived CV
I think that would get us low enough to make a run at Marc Gasol/Nene.
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We'll See
V. is going to try something 21 Century here and quote from V Goodwill’s Twitter feed. We’ll also see if Dumars can back up what he’s saying.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Dec 9, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
yeah there are troubling tremors in the force emanating from Joe D's location.
saying he will match stuckeys offers to a high dollar amount. cryptically referring to there being a reason they didnt amnesty rip…
slightly
but the cost is higher. right now if my calculations are right and rip was bought out for roughly $14 million we have $53 million in payroll. let’s say stuckey gets at least $10 mil per season, which i’m just not going to argue with because a 2 year old could predict what dumars next move is going to be at this point. so that ups it to $63 million. Now we amnesty Charlie, brings it back down to $56 million. Ok. Where do you go from there? mind you there are 4 open roster spots at this point and big ben waivering to make it 5.
JoD is opening a chain restaurant that specializes in baked crow.
Hope there will be one in your town.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Dec 10, 2011 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
Kentucky Fried Pig Fat Shaped Like A Crow
“I’m Joe Dumars! Do you like fried shit? Do you like your fried shit shaped like a CROW? Eat at my fucking restaurant! That’s what we do! We fry shit to look like crows, and you can eat it!”
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
also
“My head is huge! I save money every year by not buying pumpkins for halloween. I simply sit on my front porch with a small flashlight in my mouth! I’m Joe Dumars! You’re not!”
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
and also again
“You gonna eat that cupcake wrapper? You ever seen the movie Predator? It’s kind of like that, but instead of building a weird suit out of human skulls, I build it out of cupcake wrappers!”
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
I wish this dialogue was a full-length feature film
Endless hours of entertainment, guaranteed oscar nominations, and the priceless joy of watching an uber-surly Mike Payne make a scene of the red carpet
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
speaking of cupcake wrappers...
a cupcake once shattere the windshield on my school bus in like 9th grade.
True story.
I live where Joe lives.
I’m sure I’ll be able to get there.
except for
The front office is on record saying they are not going to use the amnesty clause this season. So we bought out Rip and we’re stuck with Chuck.
$ doesn't matter right now.
What matters is that there are minutes for the young guys to see what we have and minutes for BG to get his value up so maybe we can trade him someday.
We’re not going to make a move that makes us good right now. We could at least make this a productive season for moving forward. This was the first step for that.
I think with the stretch clause in the new CBA we can actually stretch the guaranteed amount over the next 5 seasons, which should free up considerably more space.
You, Me, & Ronald Dupree
by Teal Stallion on Dec 9, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
I’m 99% sure the amount of his original contract is still what counts on paper against the salary cap / luxury tax, even if the Pistons end up paying less with a buyout.
Under the old CBA
it was the amount of the buyout. Who knows what’s in the new CBA.
Correct
The contractual amount still counts against the cap.
by mountaineermac on Dec 9, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
It took 90 seconds to look this up guys
This is from the previous CBA, so if you guys know of some radical change in the new CBA, please provide a link, such as:
https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm#Q62
The agreed-upon buy-out amount (see question number 62) is included in the team salary instead of the salary called for in the contract. If the player had more than one season left on his contract, then the buy-out money is distributed among those seasons in proportion to the original salary. For example, say a player had three seasons remaining on his contract, with salaries of $10 million, $11 million and $12 million. The player and team agree to a buyout of $15 million. The $15 million is therefore charged to the team salary over the three seasons. Since the original contract had $33 million left to be paid, and $10 million is 30.3% of $33 million, 30.3% of the $15 million buyout, or $4.545 million, is included in the team salary in the first season following the buyout. Likewise, 33.33% of $15 million, or $5 million, is included in the team salary in the second season, and 36.36% of $15 million, or $5.455 million, is included in the team salary in the third season.
The distribution of the buy-out money is a matter of individual negotiation. Changing the number of years in which the money is paid does not change the number of years in which the team’s team salary is charged. In the above example in which the player’s contract is bought out with three seasons remaining, the buyout amount is always charged to the team salary over three seasons. It does not matter if the player is actually paid in a lump sum or over 20 years (a spread provision).
by waulie on Dec 9, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for awesome sleuthing and awesome news
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
and not to beat a dead horse, but if you are going to write things as fact (or 99% fact), that are easily checked with the wonders of the internet, then you deserve to be called out.
I don’t mean to single anybody out, but I going crazy the last couple days. I just read a headline on Hoopsworld that said if Billups wants to join a contender he should just do like Hamilton and get bought out. This is totally contrary to the reality that the whole reason he is getting the amnesty is because New York needs his salary to not count against their cap so they can sign Chandler. They will NOT buy him out. Experts, blah.
But I have to agree with Waulie...
When I get a little lazy and throw out an incorrect “fact” (that was easy to confirm or deny), I don’t mind a little slap. Keeps me honest.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Dec 10, 2011 3:42 AM EST up reply actions
Waulie, you have called me out several times. And you’ve been right every time. I haven’t ever really said it on here, but I dig your sense of accountability. Fist bump, MFWE.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
Again, I really don’t mean to single anybody out. There are tons of people I don’t bother worying about because I frankly don’t give a rats ass what they write. I come here because I greatly respect your and many others opinions.
I’m just frustrated like we all are, and I somehow crave everyone to provide completely factual, objective information. Of course, deep down I know there is no such thing. Under these crazy circumstances, we’re lucky if anyone gets close. You are always so close I can almost taste it (in an almost completely hetero way) . So, first bump back at you, MFMP.
Also, I still have not commented on or rec’s your Tayshaun piece. It deserves both. I simply don’t have the mental capacity at this time.
You are always so close I can almost taste it
Take me out to dinner first!
crave everyone to provide completely factual, objective information
That’s what makes happy communities. The more acceptable, concrete common ground we can build on, the more honest and transparent we’ll be as a result.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
Like what?
With $8 million and the freedom to chose whatever team he wants to?
Yeah, poor shmuck.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 12, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s exactly where I expected Rip to go as soon as I read this news of the Pistons buying out his contract. It makes too much sense for him not to go there.
Thanks for the memories, Rip.
by Kruza on Dec 9, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why didn’t this happen halfway through last season?
by garrettelliott on Dec 9, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I love it!
He’s old and washed up. With any luck, he’ll take the minutes of a better player and sabotage the Bulls chances of winning the East this year.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Obviously, as the resident "Rip Hater" I should be jumping up and down with joy.
But I’m really not. Sure, this is a move in the right direction for the team and Rip was a huge headache for us last season, but I’ll always appreciate (as with anyone on the 2004 team) his positive contributions to the team. The guy was a key player (as they all were, really) to that team and helped us go to 6 straight ECF. He also appeared in three straight all-star games while on our team.
It’s sad that it ended this way. Thank you, Rip, for all it’s worth.
"trout jefferson is using multiple numbers and no swears. I barely recognize you man." - Kurt Mensching
by Trout Jefferson on Dec 9, 2011 6:10 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Agreed.
I am glad that he and the Pistons are parting ways, but that’s because I didn’t want the current discontent to sully all the positive memories I have of the guy. Soon enough, everything that went down in the past couple of years will fade from my memory and things like this will remain:
If #32 ends up in the rafters for the rest of franchise history, I will have no qualms with that.
by Grant E. on Dec 9, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I have that book on my book shelf in mint condition. :D
by garrettelliott on Dec 9, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Me too
I have saved the front pages of the News and Free Press along with the Ben Wallace cover from the Finals to be framed and hung in my office when I get it finished up.
I agree that it’s sad to see Rip go, I like the dude so much that I hope he finds a contending team, and the fact that I hope it’s the Bulls, who I HATED during the Bad Boy years, says a lot
Anything that keeps a title out of Miami
is fine by me. Sign me up for the Bulls bandwagon. I may hate them, but they’ve built the “right way.”
:) from a Bulls fan. Here's to Pistons using their picks right and cap space so we can have a
Blood soaked rivalry again. Cheers.
I have a lot of mixed feelings about this...
I was hoping the new coaching/ownership situation would mean last season was water under the bridge. I still think Rip can be a really productive player. Hopefully he ends up in Philly. The more I think about it, the less sense this makes. If this was really Rip’s desire then thanks for the memories and good luck.
I'll always have love for Rip
After Chauncey, he’s my favorite player ever. Pistons fans can’t forget what he’s done here. He’s the all time leading playoff scorer and won a championship. But this is good for both sides though. Rip can now go to a contender and prove he still has something left. I’m happy for him because of that. And now the Pistons can move on with Knight/Stuckey.
I asked a writer on Hoopsworld about the possibility of inducting the 2004 Pistons as a team into the Hall of Fame, because potentially none of them will ever make it in, but collectively they were awesome. I got a “good idea but not going to happen” response. If nothing else they should get an Oscar type lifetime achievement award. They were special
Oh god, what to do with my Rip jersey.
I’ve had it since ’03.
"trout jefferson is using multiple numbers and no swears. I barely recognize you man." - Kurt Mensching
by Trout Jefferson on Dec 9, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
These were the days
By the power of Grayskull... I have the power!
by He-Man on Dec 9, 2011 6:23 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
As a totally uncalled-for parting shot, I feel the need to point out that when you are able to stand next to Big Ben and your guns are not totally dwarfed by his, you are either a) very heavily muscled or b) a skinny guy who has learned from much experience doing embarrassingly light-weight curls in front of a mirror how to sort of pin your arm against your side and flex it a certain way in order to exaggerate the size of your biceps. I mean, I don’t know anything about that, I’ve just heard.
by excellent dinosaur on Dec 9, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Notice there is no
Tayshaun in this pic. You signed the wrong Piston again JoD
By the power of Grayskull... I have the power!
Also, I'd like to point out that Gores does save money going this way.
If he had amnestied him, he would be owed the full amount of his contract.
He saves himself some money by Rip accepting a lesser buyout.
"trout jefferson is using multiple numbers and no swears. I barely recognize you man." - Kurt Mensching
I’m pretty sure this isn’t true unless someone is willing to offer him ANOTHER 2 year $20 mil contract.
$14 million buyout.
As opposed to paying $21 million if he got amnestied.
"trout jefferson is using multiple numbers and no swears. I barely recognize you man." - Kurt Mensching
by Trout Jefferson on Dec 9, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Except it would have been less
Someone would have bid on Rip. Whatever they bid, even if it was only $3 mil a year comes off what the Pistons had to pay him (under this example would have been $15 mil). This wasn’t about saving money, it was about saving the amnesty.
Alright,
looking forward to TO’s, bad shots, and no D from the SG position this year. And then, Sullinger or Rivers next year.
What would Earl Boykins do?
Supposedly this is Stuckey’s twitter.
HimOn1 Rodney Stuckey
All I want is a new beginning! That’s all I’m asking for! So God PLEASE make it happen….
WWGMD?
So,
China it is?
What would Earl Boykins do?
by FMFDOC8404 on Dec 9, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ha Ha Ha
I just thought about it. This sounds like Billups/Hamilton part two.
Sign “Going to Work Piston” member to a bloated contract, tell him he will retire a Piston ✓
Days later, get rid of his best friend on the team ✓
Watch him become even more of a malcontent as he rides out the rest of his bloated deal…
By the power of Grayskull... I have the power!
by He-Man on Dec 9, 2011 6:54 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I think it's a little different
because the L’s piled up after Rips contract, as oppose to Tay signing a contract expecting more L’s.
What would Earl Boykins do?
I have nothing new to add
It’s all be said up above. I’m conflicted. I’m both happy and bummed to see him go. It’s nice to be able to move on (shakes fist at sky over Tay’s resigning) from the old guard, but I’m so grateful for the 2004 playoffs. His Game 5 ECF performance in Indiana was fucking magnificent. Looking forward to seeing #32 up in the rafters some day.
by Other Matt on Dec 9, 2011 6:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks the years of dominance you were a pivotal part of, Rip. It's been really real.
Now go tell another franchise’s coach to suck your dick, bitch.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
ripcityhamilton Rip Hamilton
God Is Good……….
http://twitter.com/#!/ripcityhamilton/status/145290718041227264
WWGMD?
Thanks Tebow...
Trying to get back at us for whooping his ass in Denver…(his only loss as a starter this season)
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by The Boourns on Dec 9, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like his twitter background
Just Rip and a bunch of empty buckets. Fill em up, member of the 50 point club! Yesss Sirr!!
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
I'm sure us waving Rip...
gives us just enough cap space to sign Arenas #inevitable
By the power of Grayskull... I have the power!
With Prince Signing a Four Year Deal
he will be the only 2004 PIstons player on their roster after Ben retires yet Prince was the only starter from the 2004 team that never made the all-star team.
Ironic
It's not ironic
It is an M. Night Shyamalan-esque twist that lets you down worse than the Village X the Happening.
by JoeDip on Dec 9, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
God dammit.
First Cake hands and now Wilcox? As soon as they start playing well again they’re gone?
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
I'm on the record as saying we should have re-signed Wilcox
We remain very thin, literally and figuratively, at the 4-5.
Me too.
He contributed, he could rebound, and he was a pretty physical player with slam dunk shots. I think he was the type of player who probably benefited from some Ben Wallace tutelage.
I'm starting to like this Gores guy
Not afraid to spend money if it clearly spends the team :D
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
Even though there is hate
He will always be my Favorite Piston! Go RIP!
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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
I chortled in my joy.
by BoogieWoogie M.D. on Dec 9, 2011 8:35 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
And hast thou waived the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
by excellent dinosaur on Dec 9, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, now cut undersized Gordon and sign Wilson Chandler
Let’s play some D
It would have to be an amphibious evolution.
With precision air strikes.
What would Earl Boykins do?
reflection
I love Rip. He’s easily my 2nd favorite Piston of that era behind Ben Wallace. He’s still one of my favorites, well, it’s kinda hard to have favorites these days, but I’ll place him 3rd behind Jerebko and Monroe. He’s our all-time leading playoff scorer. The dude had the sweetest mid-range game the league has seen, which is oddly ironic because the 2-point jumper is the least efficient shot in basketball. For years he was efficient at the inefficient.
I always liked his sense of humor. He’s always talking. Always having fun. Always tried hard no matter what you Rip naysayers have to say. He wanted to win more than any Piston on the team these past few years. He’s got heart. And when he doesn’t get his way he’s a crybaby. Kobe and MJ were crybabies, nobody writes stories about that. I love statistics, but Rip will always go beyond those for me. The one intangible quality I’ll take over a statistic is a will to win. Rip had it. I don’t think he deserved to go out like this.
Dumars fucked Rip. Sure he made him a rich man, but he completely fucked him in every other way. Timeline: Rip signs contract extension. Rip replaced by AI in starting lineup. Rip is pissed. Rip gets job back. AI is pissed. Season ends. Finally Rip can exhale. Oh wait, Dumars signs Ben Gordon. Rip is pissed again. Rip and Gordon spend a season playing musical chairs. Season ends. Well, things can’t get worse right? Nope. Dumars signs Mcgrady. Right response – you signed Rip to an extension, he’s your 2-guard, now use your resources trying to fix other holes and not trying to fuck Rip. Fuck you Joe! Fuck you. That is all.
This kinda makes me wish Rodney Stuckey never happened.
No, it’s not Rodney’s fault that Joe’s a moron. But, Rodney got the ball rolling.
What would Earl Boykins do?
oh oh oh
you could definitely turn this on stuckey, but then it all goes back to darko.
Well,
without Stuckey, a 7-0 Pistons team doesn’t trade Chauncey for a player on the decline.
What would Earl Boykins do?
without darko
we never have the pick to draft stuckey
Yep.
2-0 with Billups. 2-0 after the Billups trade before Iverson played.
Then they lost the first two with Iverson. We, as Pistons fans, truly have not won since.
mcflies makes a number of good points
Plus the “traded his good buddy Chauncey” away, plus the “assembling rosters that don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning,” plus “being forced to play out of position at SF in smallball lineups that don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell at succeeding.”
Looks like the Bulls pulled Keith Bogans, who started all 82 games at SG last season, off the floor as soon as this news broke. They have a team option on him due December 19th, so it would appear they plan to either trade or let him go and sign/claim Rip off waivers (sounding like a few teams plan to put in waiver claims, so my bet is they will be one of them)
49 pounds
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
What I wanna know is what the logic is in getting him
AND West. Bass is a serviceable backup to KG, but how to they maintain the timeshare between those two and David West, a proven all-star? I can’t imagine he’s lost THAT much after that surgery.
Kg playing the 5?
i know they would use big baby at the 5 from time to time. maybe bass will play a little center when matchups allow it
Wait how the hell can Stern justify trading West for contract fillers
But then reject a trade that would have actually gotten them a lot of value for CP3?
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by bearded thundar on Dec 10, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
West
Is a free agent signing straight up and not a sign and trade. I think.
not from what i've seen
Boston doesn’t have the cap space, they’re swapping him for Jermaine O’Neal
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Wow what a sad day... i wish it didnt have to go down like this. Have some great memories of rip from the glory days.
on a side note, i read brandon roy is retiring and just got to say that his career is a tragedy. hopefully he finds fulfillment outside of basketball. Most players i figure you earn enough money i don’t give a shit, but Roy just seems like a really good guy.
You know what
I… how do I make MF hearts?
I MF 
Basketball.
I miss this shit, all this shit. You crazy mfer’s. Insane trade talk. Ridiculous early season hopes and dreams. Beastly, Smart Mooses. Gorgeous Swedes. Eating Babies. Heys. Smooth shots. And Long Strokers. I can’t wait to see some good basketball again.
But all this Rip and Tayshuan and Billups shit has me hoping Billups can’t come back here. Though I always wanted to see Billups tutor Stuckey. I want to see the miracle of Billups and Rip together again. They may have both lost a step. But they’d still fuck some people up. I don’t want to see Billups and Tayshaun. I want Billups and Rip. That was some great shit. Rip still hasn’t recovered from the shit after the Billups trade. Going from the perfectness of a beautiful pairing to years of position battles without a set up man. As a Piston fan, I’d die to see them paired again. If just for the last couple years of a career. But now we just waived Rip and we’ll never have a chance at this beauty. Beacause, if anyone, the Pistons would have made this happen. Especially when you consider the shit we’re in these days at the gaurd position. disclaimer – I would assume quality coaching and ownership to limit the “Vets” time on court. Just keep them together.
Now that I think of it, a really smart GM would have moved Chauncey and Rip together.
Could you imagine if, one season, we went directly from Chauncey and Rip directly into a Stuckey and Afflalo back court. ( with a year or two of Billups mentoring Stuckey). And some other team stuggling with guard play picked them up at the same time. That would be worth some fucking value. All the way around.
^That’s some serious 20/20- hindsight. Just remember to still draft Jonas.
Anways.
I want this shirt given out at as many Pistons home games as soon as possible.
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
by JumpingBlob on Dec 10, 2011 1:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
F*ck yeah
Im pretending to be a piston fan at this moment so I can be part of the party
RIP Al Davis
by dubzfan on Dec 10, 2011 2:53 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
your heart beats red, white and royal blue, MFDF
don’t deny it.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
Rec’d for coordinating with your avatar
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
by tads on Dec 10, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
you hoar
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by bearded thundar on Dec 10, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
huh
Charlie tweets with his left hand, interesting.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
by Mike Payne on Dec 10, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
8 million dolars for Hamilton buy out
Dumars is back!
I would be shocked if Dumars actually had anything to do with that one
It sounded like he didn’t even know why they were buying him out. That implies that he wasn’t present for that one IMHO. Probably busy blowing the money on Tayshaun while they were saving it on Rip’s contract.
100% agreed
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
wait
so the Pistons paid Hamilton his actual contract value over the next two seasons? When only part of the second year was guaranteed?
My guess is ClickOnDetroit made a goof. No way this could be the real number.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
I've never even heard of that site before
I’m going to hang my hat on mlive’s number
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Clickondetroit is the local news channel site.
It’s real good for weather and traffic.
What would Earl Boykins do?
I only rely on Fox News
In these re-signing Prince times, it’s kinda nice to be mislead and deluded
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by bearded thundar on Dec 11, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
the only spot in that entire article where the $25M is mentioned is in the headline
which tells me that this article is full of shit.
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Good point
And I haven’t seen it anywhere else…damn if this isn’t a done deal i will be officially officially officially off the Joe D train..
End of an Era
Rip has always been a winner, and a champion. From his college days to the pros. He always brought his best to each game and was always unselfish, always playing within the team concept. More than Big Ben, for me it was Rip who epitomized the “going to work” attitude of that championship team. No flashy, athletic plays – just consistent 20ppg.
I understand the need to unload his albatross of a contract, but I still don’t get the hate spewed his way. I for one don’t fault him for all the off-court drama – i blame the string of bad coaches for that. I guess some of the newer fans don’t give Rip enough credit, while others are so quick to burn a guy at the stake.
Thanks Rip. Hope you tear it up in Chicago.
by Ungass on Dec 12, 2011 1:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't get why people think this is ending badly.
This is the absolute best case scenario for both parties. Rip gets to leave before the season begins. He doesn’t have to spend one more minute playing for a team that is clearly rebuilding and moving on. The team gets the benefit of being able to move on without fear of slighting Rip.
Rip gets $8 million, the team saves its amnesty, and obviously saves money.
Rip gets the freedom that comes with being a free agent, rather than being on waivers, and he has the ability to recoup the money he lost via the buyout with a new contract.
This is a Win / Win if there ever was one.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Well it's not ending badly for Rip financially
But judging by the reactions on this board, he’s leaving Detroit as a villain. That’s what i think is sad.
not necessarily a villain.
I don’t think there is anybody on this board who doesn’t appreciate what Rip did as a player for a long time. The flip side is that he spent several more seasons on a downturn and acting like a bitch when things didn’t go how he wanted them too.
If the Rip from years ago was the one we were letting ago than this place would be enraged. But the Rip of recent times has only been a hindrance to the growth of the team, and the team is the bigger picture. With Rip gone minutes become more distributable, lineups can make a bit more sense, and maybe the locker room will be a better place for our youngsters.
So while this board understands that Rip has had a significant positive impact on Pistons history, as of right now he would only help extend a bad era of Pistons basketball. So boohoo for Rip, the team just got better.
It's like a break up
Someday, we’ll all look back on rip and remember the good times. But right now, just days after it’s happened, we’re just overjoyed that the relationship that has become sour is over.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Dec 13, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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