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At least we're not Cleveland: Pistons 103, Cavs 94

Vegas odds* were stacked against the Pistons tonight -- and, I admit, I caught the contagious sickness of doubt before tip-off, too  -- but the Pistons proved the skeptics wrong and took home their fourth straight win in the second game of back-to-backs, 103-94.

Tracy McGrady said the Pistons drew their inspiration from those darned naysayers: 

"Tim Legler, we heard you. You gave us some bulletin-board material. We used that." (via)

"You don't want to be the team that loses to them." (via)

MLIVE's Chris Iott says they not only listened, but they also watched a clip of Tim Legler making his cavalier prediction right before they went out onto the court for tip-off.  Shame on youuuu, Tim.

Is that the kind of insult that could motivate a team throughout the rest of the season? Is this the type of public pantsing prediction that could finally bring about the perpetual DETermination?

Honestly, it's kind of sad to me that the Pistons needed bulletin-board material from the MSM, or anyone really, to help them beat a hapless Cavs team, but if that's what they needed to prevent them from becoming "that team" then good for them. They should keep this in mind and then maybe watch 'The Decision' before Friday's tip. LeBron won't make it out of the first quarter before Karma strikes him down ... if one of Monroe's antlers doesn't strike first. Then, the Pistons might win. 

For now, let us bask in this glorious win.

Star-divide

  • Oh, the actual game. The Cavs bench had 17 points. The Pistons' Will Bynum had 17 points (and 7 assists) off the bench himself. The Pistons bench scored 61 points total on 46% shooting. This was a much different Will Bynum than the one we saw in the 4th quarter of the Spurs' game, by the way. In the Spurs' game, I felt he unnecessarily tried to take over the game without the help of his teammates, whereas in this game he distributed the ball nicely while still getting his. 
  • The Pistons played a really ugly first quarter, but still outscored the Cavs 25-16. The Cavs are bad.
  • The Cavs actually outscored the Pistons in the 2nd half, 51-48.
  • Remember when the Pistons lost 13 games in a row last year and that felt like 10-million-and-one losses? 26 would be a lot worse.
  • *The Cavs were 1.5-point favorites at tip-off. It's only the seventh time this season they've been favored to win and the first time since January 5th. They are now 1-6 in those games.
  • Ramon Sessions 
  • Who the fuck still uses a pay phone? 
  • Fill in all the holes in the comments.
  • Box Score
  • Roll Call: Thanks to WaveOcean for being a good sport. 

    Shinons, Mike Payne, Packey, Roll The Dyess, Boney, The Boourns, -PS-, JumpingBlob, freywagg, Danny D, Trysdor, Packfill, bugman222, Toledo Joe, C$, WaveOcean, dandresden, Grant E., rovitz707, DBB Diablo, redwingxviii, Kriz, Mac-, kenshi, garrettelliott, curlyfries, Revshawn, MrHappyMushroom, joejoejoe, Tenbatsu, RoscoeJacksonJr, Fadel, heWizard, alaskanpistonsfan, Wheaties, ahtrap, Taiwanese Tora, aussiepiston, Uncommon Sense, thesiberian, rooneymac, tads, Trout Jefferson, MSUDersh

    Total Users: 44
    Total Posts: 638
    Total Threads: 1

    Name# of Posts
    WaveOcean 149
    bugman222 62
    kenshi 58
    JumpingBlob 53
    garrettelliott 40
    Kriz 36
    Mac- 31
    dandresden 28
    Roll The Dyess 28
    Mike Payne 22
    Packey 19
    DBB Diablo 12
    joejoejoe 7
    freywagg 7
    heWizard 7
    Uncommon Sense 7
    Taiwanese Tora 7
    Tenbatsu 6
    The Boourns 6
    Shinons 5
    alaskanpistonsfan 5
    thesiberian 4
    Revshawn 4
    Danny D 4
    ahtrap 3
    tads 3
    Grant E. 3
    curlyfries 3
    Boney 2
    Fadel 2
    rovitz707 2
    MSUDersh 1
    Packfill 1
    aussiepiston 1
    Trout Jefferson 1
    rooneymac 1
    C$ 1
    Trysdor 1
    -PS- 1
    MrHappyMushroom 1
    RoscoeJacksonJr 1
    Wheaties 1
    redwingxviii 1
    Toledo Joe 1

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At least one Cav was a winner tonight.

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by heWizard on Feb 10, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he is the only non-bandwagon fan Cleveland ever had, since drafting LJ.

HEY!

by HEY! on Feb 10, 2011 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh...

there are actually other good Cavs fans on SBNation, like NewCavsfan, emily52, sexsalad, JulioB, notthatnoise, and Lex L. among others. They’re just not online as often. They have better things to do than to prance all over SBNation whining and screaming about the Cavaliers.

by WaveOcean on Feb 10, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pistons did what they should have done

Even in the third quarter, I never really thought the Cavs were going to win. Jamison can get hot, and they can hit some threes, bu they have no depth at all with Varajeo and Williams hurt. I do honestly feel sorry for the Cavs, but I’m glad their streak didn’t end last night.

by Toledo Joe on Feb 10, 2011 8:35 AM EST reply actions  

I Actually Agreed With Legler

..because this team has been ill prepared at times. They don’t take nights off, but I do wonder about the quality of the head coaching.

But Cleveland resembles a D-League team at this point. Hard to lose in that spot.

Imported from Detroit

by V. on Feb 10, 2011 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

Tim Legler

Legler was a one dimensional player who was quite a bit worse than legends Brent Price or Fred Hoiberg. Yes he could shoot from distance with nobody guarding him. No he couldn’t do anything else. A healthy NBA starter plays more minutes in 2 years than Legler played in ten years in the league. He’s got strong opinions about everything but it’s based on nothing but speculation. He’s a big reason why I don’t like ESPN’s NBA coverage.

But check out this blurb on his Basketball-Reference page:
“Timothy Eugene Legler and Lebron Raymone James were married on October 29, 2003 during a private ceremony shortly after Tim witnessed Lebron’s first NBA game. The couple resides in Bath Township, Ohio and have two children, Mo and Delonte.”

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/legleti01.html

Congratulations Tim and LeBron!

by joejoejoe on Feb 10, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd For Using "Legend" & "Hoiberg" In Same Sentence

..while keeping a straight face.

Imported from Detroit

by V. on Feb 10, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The Mayor!

Hoiberg wasn’t bad. He could have been a rotation player on a good team but I don’t think he was ever on a good team.He had that heart thing right when the T-Wolves started to get OK with KG. Hoiberg is the head coach of Iowa State now. Legler got regular minutes in only two seasons and one of them was on one of the worst teams in history, a Mavs team that went 13-69. The other team was the Bullets with Sheed, Juwan, George Muresan, Calbert Chaney. They were sub.-.500 too.

by joejoejoe on Feb 11, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t happy about this win. I was relieved we didn’t lose. I was probably more tense watching this game than any other game this season. It was very weird.

by brgulker on Feb 10, 2011 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

Odd...I don't recall making any posts in the game thread but apparently I made 6?

I DEMAND A RECOUNT!

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Feb 10, 2011 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

I think the pistons are hitting there stride.

Totally anecdotal but it seems to me we have been very good lately. We have had only one stinker, but we beat the Mavs. We have been competitive in games vs, Miami, Boston, and the Spurs. No one really making us look silly. I have a feeling we might start climbing the rankings soon.
After the game in Miami coming up, every other team is very beatable. no “Elite” teams till San Antonio on 3/9. Thats 10 games away, i figgure we go 8-2 over that stretch. Maybe im being overly optimistic. well see. (although with the trade deadline comming up, who knows.)

by Danny D on Feb 10, 2011 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

But where will that get us?

We’re still the #11 team in the East, 3.5 out of the #8 spot (and 5 games in the loss column). If you believe that the final spot will go to a team around .500, well, Detroit would have to go 21-8 in its remaining games (almost a .750 win percentage) to get there. Seems unlikely. Even if you’re right and we go 8-2 in the next 10, we would have to go 13-6 the rest of the way just to get to .500.

by Toledo Joe on Feb 10, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

But where will that get us?

Same place as last year, maybe a little worse, with respect to the lottery :(

I’m increasingly puzzled. TMac, Big Ben, Tay, and even Stuckey to an extent are fantastic trade assets right now. Still, Jod is standing pat. Yeah, yeah, it could be ownership. But we have not heard even on roomer about another GM asking about these guys or any roomers about the Pistons seeking to trade anyone other than Rip?

At this point, I’m hoping the ownership is keeping the team as is, because the alternative seems to be that Jod’s delusional.

by brgulker on Feb 10, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I dont believe it will take a .500 record to make the playoffs in the east

teams are going to sneak in with less than that for certain. But i do see your point Toledo.
 As for Jod, Hes clearly not delusional, he put to gether 2 50 win teams as pointed out by Patrick Hayes at pistonpowered semi-recently.
http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/joe-dumars-is-not-the-24th-worst-general-manager-in-the-nba/
Jod is not a bad GM seeing what he has accomplished leads me to think that hes being tied down by management. This whole situation really blows.

by Danny D on Feb 10, 2011 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

Alternative theory, of course

Is that the other staff that have left the organization were the ones with the good ideas.

by brgulker on Feb 10, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Ive

never bought into that BS. Nothing annoys me more than this argument which basically goes like this: every good move = john hammond, every bad move = joe dumars,. either JOE makes the moves or he doesn’t, cant have it both ways. Its laughable really.
By the way, for anyone using that argument how are the bucks doing now a days?

by Danny D on Feb 10, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

MFMP, Please Pick Up The Red, Blue & White Courtesy Phone!

(now, this..is a troll lololol)

Imported from Detroit

by V. on Feb 10, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

?

F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.

by Mike Payne on Feb 10, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

See...I Thought You Would Have Published Yet Another Dissertation

..calling not only for the firing of Dumars, but perhaps a public execution as well. But instead we get picture rebuses.

See, to me, it’s pretty clear KD (actually, probably more like Alan Ostfield) has pretty much handcuffed Dumars as well. You have your side of it, I have mine, it’s cool, we can agree to disagree. I just find it so entertaining the vitriol you come up with in demanding his firing.

And forgive me for sounding too much like a fan, but we’re going to be fine in a year or two.

DBB, the Liberace of SB Nation!

by V. on Feb 11, 2011 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

RELAX man.

I suggest Preperation H for da hurt butthole. Just because you and I have had disagreements doesn’t mean I’m going to disagree with someone every time they say something that conflicts with my opinion. Your experience of my opinion is not universal to everyone across this site. So you’re whining when I don’t say something? Fuck. Are we married or something? If so, I’m not putting out until you start acting like a grown ass man.

F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.

by Mike Payne on Feb 11, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

2010 it took 41 wins, 2009 it took 39 wins for 8th seed.

If everything remains the same this year it will take 38 wins to get the 8th seed or 62% wins

here’s how I see the rest of the schedule, miami L, portland W, Atlanta L, Indiana W, houston L, Indiana W, Philly W, Utah L, Milwaukee W, Minnesota W, Washington W, San Antoine L, OK, L, Denver L, toronto W, New York, W, Atlanta L, Miami L, Cleveland W, Indiana W, Indiana W, Chicago L, Boston L, Washington W, New Jersey W, Milwaukee W, Charlotte W, Cleveland W, Philly W, 18 wins, 11 losses finish at exactly 38 wins

I think we will sneak into 8th place as long as this team remains healthy. Ben Wallace is going to have to stay healthy for this run. Look at that list above, there is really no surprise it’s all us getting beat by better teams and beating teams worse than us, nothing special, the bottom of this conference this year is extra weak.

To make up for it being so easy to sneak in at 8th here in the east, in the west, they are gonna need 43 or 44 wins to get into the playoffs.

by bonerici on Feb 10, 2011 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

sorry in the west they will need mid 50’s wins not mid 40’s

by bonerici on Feb 10, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

4-0 vs. Portland, Philly, and Knicks?

Portland is 28-24
Knicks are 26-25
Philly is 24-28

Detroit is 20-33

by joejoejoe on Feb 10, 2011 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

yeah, portland will be rough . . . you know what portland will probably beat us . . . I do think we’ll get the rest of the games, and I think we’ll sneak out one more random win, I think we’ll make it as long as we keep playing at the current level and the rest of the bottom of the east continues to stink it up.

by bonerici on Feb 10, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

A sub-500 team will make the playoffs in the East. With the new rotation, we have a chance at finishing the season right around .500, give or take a couple games. If we can beat the teams we should beat and pull of a couple upsets, it’s still possible this team could make the Playoffs.

And that says nothing about the fragility of the teams we’re fighting with for that 8th seed…

by brgulker on Feb 10, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

We have a chance of finishing near .500?

Again, to finish at .500 we would have to go on a 21-8 tear to end the season. That’s a .724 clip. Only three teams in the NBA have done that well or better for the season (Miami, Boston, and San Antonio), and only one other team (Dallas) is above .700 for the year. We’re improved, but I don’t think we’ve improved to that level.

But let’s say that the #8 seed in the East will be where it currently is, at .440 winning percentage (Indiana). Aside from that being totally embarrassing for the East, that would mean a tiebreaker for the 8th spot at 36 wins. So let’s say 37 wins gets us that coveted #8 spot. That means we have to go 17-12 the rest of the season, a .586 win percentage. I’m not saying that’s impossible, but it’s slightly better than Utah has done for the year (in the much tougher West). It’s a winning percentage that, currently, would be in the top third of the league overall for the year. And let’s not forget, with more than half the year gone, Detroit is at .377.

That’s a very long-winded way of saying I hope so, but I don’t think so.

by Toledo Joe on Feb 10, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think our new rotation = .500 team, but we dug too deep a hole

To follow up on my last post, in the last 10 games, Detroit is 5-5. In the last 14 games, we’re 7-7. In the last 16 games, we’re 8-8. I think Detroit could continue to play .500 for the rest of the season, but I don’t see evidence we’re going to do a lot better than that.

by Toledo Joe on Feb 10, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Roll Call: Thanks to WaveOcean for being a good sport.

Thanks Packey!
Was I really a good sport? I was cussing and bitching the entire time.

by WaveOcean on Feb 10, 2011 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

you can fucking swear as much as you fucking want around here god dammit.

in the words of the the Offspring “stupid dumb shit god damn mother fucker.”

I just like that line because it uses lots of swears.

by madpoopz on Feb 10, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

After reading this thread, it’s easy to see how you could have lead last night’s comment count.

/friendly jab’d

by brgulker on Feb 10, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

In other Waves Ocean news

they are giving you some shit over at Silver Screen and Roll for being a C’s fan now.

by dandresden on Feb 10, 2011 10:27 PM EST reply actions  

Worst Fans In The NBA-Lakers Fans

At least the C’s fans are loyal. Lakers fans are the biggest front runners in all of professional sports worldwide.

DBB, the Liberace of SB Nation!

by V. on Feb 11, 2011 8:11 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah pretty absurd.

im sure the majority of them will become heat fans once kobe is gone.

by dandresden on Feb 11, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

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