A leg up on the lottery: Bobcats 97, Pistons 87
by Packey on Feb 2, 2011 11:11 PM EST
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PrintSo much for the Bobcats being on their last leg of a six-game road trip, huh? It looked like it was the team whose been off since Sunday (hint: our favorite team) that withered away in the fourth quarter and couldn't look more apathetic in the pitiful process.
The Pistons trailed by three heading into the fourth, but played well enough in the third where a strong fourth wasn't too presumptuous of a forethought -- and if it weren't for an 8-2 finish in the third by the Bobcats, the Pistons would've had the lead.
Instead, the Pistons decided to settle for hasty jumpers in the first four minutes of the final frame and, just like that, 3:54 into the fourth, found themselves down 18. A 16-1 Bobcats run. Any air left in the not-so-full building of a generously calculated 14,000-plus fans began to smell like a sweaty Kwame Brown. A sweaty Kwame Brown who happened to have 14 points and 10 rebounds against his former godforsaken team.
At least the Pistons made Captain Jack work for his. He poured in an easy -- season-high -- 39 points on 14-26 shooting in 43 minutes,
Ben Gordon led the Pistons with 20 points on 8-18 shooting (just seven points on 3-6 shooting in the second half). Will Bynum and Charlie Villanueva combined to shoot 3-14 in 34 minutes.
A little more irritation after the jump:
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- Seriously, it's so damn frustrating to see this team compete relatively well for, um, 40 minutes or so and then completely tank for a minor stretch and cause us inevitable heartbreak. Like tonight, for example, the Pistons down just three heading into the 4th and then, four minutes later, they're down 18!?! Yeah, they followed it up with a nice 19-8 run over the next 5:30, but it was too late. These collapses aren't a lack of talent, it's a f'ing ephemeral lack of focus, every JoDamn game it feels like.
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- Greg Monroe was good again - 10 & 8 with 2 blocks and a steal in 35 minutes.
- Austin Daye responded to his stint in the dog house with 26 okay minutes (11 points, 5 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, but mostly bad defense).
- T-Mac was on Captain Jack a lot and he got lit up. But he did have 8 assists.
- Chris Wilcox may have had the best game for the Pistons with 7 points and 5 rebounds in 18 minutes. That's, like, a Kwame Brown game PER 36. He was strong to quite strong.
- Charlie Villanueva's only basket was pretty sweet -- a (very, homeless) poor man's Blake Griffin-like alley-oop. This isn't it, but it looked sort of like this.
- Just because, okay?
- Box sco'e [sic]
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YA KNOW WHAT REALLY GRINDS MY GEARS???
Before I start, mad respect to MFBP for the recap. Now, onto Teh Surly:
Greg Monroe. 35 minutes. 6 field goal attempts.
WHAT. THE. FUCK. While [earmuffs, Gulker] John Kuester’s offensive genius is based up on schmayschmaun schmisolaysuans x1000, Greg Monroe gets six field goal attempts in 35 minutes? Seriously?
Protip for Koostis: instead of running the ball through Tay on every other possession, how about you try running it through Monroe for a few games? Have your point player run the ball up the court and pass it to Monroe in the high post while players cut to get open. When you pass it to Tayshaun, you’re either going to get a) a pass to an older player or b) ISOLAYSHAUN’D.
If Greg Monroe were not a Piston, I probably wouldn’t have the ridiculous signature I do, and I probably wouldn’t complain about his iso plays so much. But let’s face it, when it comes to team ball, he sucks at being a ball handler. Badly. People complain about a guy like Maggette, but on their careers, they share pretty much the same assist percentage.
I want Tayshaun Prince traded moreso for the development of Greg Monroe than anything else. I want the ball to be moved through Monroe, I want him to be a key to our offense, a second/third option on shots and a primary option on ball movement. Kuester uses Tayshaun like he should use Monroe. We have a gifted player here, and we STILL have not given him a shot. Instead, we dribble to half court, dish to Tayshaun, who burns the clock before taking a contested jumper.
Granted, Tay has made a lot of those shots this season and deserves a golf clap for making them. But they make this team worse. And ask yourself this— if this team should be focused on developing for the future, who better to get a chance to manage the offense— Tayshaun or Monroe?
I’ll just go ahead and say it. I’d rather have Rip on the court than Tayshaun. I respect Tay and admire what he’s done here, but for he and us, MFer has to go. That shit should be job one.
F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.
by Mike Payne on Feb 2, 2011 11:37 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
QIAMFI
Thank you, Glow-In-The-Dark Baby Jesus. The Lions needed the wins and I know you will lead us to a Super Bowl.
The whole system needs an overhaul. Our offense needs to MOVE. We have athletic (sort of) versatile (kind of) players! Moose is supposedly a great passer but we haven’t really had a chance to see it because NONE OF OUR GUYS GET OPEN. EVER.
by garrettelliott on Feb 2, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
and here’s the thing, to temper my point on Prince. Tayshaun is our best offensive player this season, with a close second to McGrady. In, well uh… isolation, he’s the most impressive player on our roster. But moving the ball through him is one of this team’s most damning weaknesses. If you took him out of the equation, this team would get worse, but it would end up a lot better off as a result.
F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.
The saddest thing about this is that I’ve grown to like Tayshaun and Rip a lot less, Tayshaun especially. Tayshaun was my second/third favorite Piston at one point, now he’s one of my least favorite.
People constantly bitched about Rasheed and Chauncey as part of our culture of complacency, but we’d be a hell of a lot better with those two guys still on this team. Rip and Tayshaun NEVER got called out for that stuff to my knowledge (and if they did, somebody call me out on this) but Rasheed and Chauncey got slaughtered for it.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 3, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
personally
for every year after the 2005 loss to the Celtics, I was pretty vocal here on DBB that Tayshaun was the central point of failure on our starting lineup on both ends of the floor. It doesn’t mean he’s not a special talent, just that he was, by far, our weakest link— moreso than Chauncey and Rasheed by far.
F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.
I never thought there would be a "play"
That I would detest more than 17 straight screens to created a brick for Rip.
FUCKING ISOLAYSHAUN!
This signature is false.
DAMMIT, PS!
Rec’d for created. I hate me.
This signature is false.
by heWizard on Feb 3, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so to put everything into rhyme...
Kick Tay in the caboose to make way for Moose.
by madpoopz on Feb 3, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Give Prince the drop
And Feed MonroboCop
by tads on Feb 3, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
DON KING EVERYBODY!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
mike payne should touch my fucking toes?
ew, bro.
by Packey on Feb 3, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
are you okay with the 2nd toe being longer than the big toe?
I’m not saying mine is like that, but I do want to hear how you feel about it.
Mike Payne Spits the Motherfucking Truth. Or Mostly Paranoid Spinsters Take My Facetiousness Truthfully. Your call.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 3, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Mike Payne should tickle my flatulant taint.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
That's terribly disturbing
Gonna have to drink a 12-pack first, but I’m in.
F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.
The defense for Q’s use of Monroe is it has allowed Monroe to focus on regular big man activities, and the kid has responded with a solid rebound rate and his scoring efficiency is steadily improving. I vastly prefer the Monroe we’re seeing right now in the NBA to the Monroe that was a “point-center” in college.
by Gabe F-B on Feb 3, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
For Monroe's development now...
I prefer this. But in the future I’d like to see more point-center activities.
I am sick of Isolayshauns too.
I hear what Mike’s saying, but I also like Gabe’s point. By not having pressure to create offense, he’s focused on other things, which he is surprising most people by doing very well.
Further, I’d add that Monroe hasn’t really displayed any playmaking skills yet. Yes, he hasn’t had many opportunities, and yes, he’s not getting plays called for him. But, he has had the rare occasion to lead a fast break or get the ball in the post. When he’s had those opportunities, he hasn’t impressed all that much.
I’d rather wait until he’s more ready than have him thrust into a role prematurely. Just epinion.
I’d rather wait until he’s more ready than have him thrust into a role prematurely. Just epinion.
Does it need to be black and white like that, does it need to be none or all? What I’m saying is that I’d like to see him used more on offense. I would like to see two things, specifically. I want to see him get a chance to create his own shot at the basket, I’d like to see more pick and rolls and cuts— not just put-backs. This doesn’t mean I want to see the Pistons to run a Monroe play on every single possession, it just means that I would like to see more of it than we’re seeing now.
I’d also like to get a glimpse at using Monroe in the high post, just a few possessions a game, instead of Tayshaun.
To Gabe’s point:
I vastly prefer the Monroe we’re seeing right now in the NBA to the Monroe that was a "point-center" in college.
We don’t need to choose one or the other. On a handful of possessions per game, like 3 or 4 for the rest of the season, I would love to see McGrady/Stuckey pass the ball to Monroe in the high post instead of Isolayshaun. For the rest of Monroe’s time on the court, he can be the Monroe we’re seeing right now. I want to see that, and I want real plays ran for the kid, especially pick and rolls.
F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.
A more specific thought on using Monroe on offense
Since Monroe has pretty much locked down the starting job at center, here’s a lineup thought to try a few Monroevers (that’s Monroe Maneuvers):
6-8 minutes into the first quarter, pull McGrady, slide Stuckey to the point and bring Gordon off the bench. Sub out Wilcox for Villanueva and Daye for Tayshaun:
Stuckey
Gordon
Daye
Villanueva
Monroe
Stuckey has shown that he can penetrate quite well without the ball. Gordon, Daye and Villanueva are our three best 3-point shooters (not named Rip). Each is a significant offensive threat that can be difficult to defend.
On a few plays in the final minutes of the first, Stuckey/Gordon can dribble the ball up the court while Monroe gets a position in the high post. Having both Monroe and Villanueva outside of the paint clears room for Stuckey and Gordon to move without the ball and aim for an open look. Daye can either spot up at the 3-point line or use his height to find a position in the post. Villa and Daye can set screens for the guards while Monroe looks for the open man and, after passing, immediately moves to the basket for the offensive rebound or cut off another pass.
At the end of the quarter, Wallace comes in for Monroe. When Monroe comes back in the game, go back to McGrady running the show.
F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.
I wasn’t disagreeing with you at all, MP. I think you’ve given this a lot of though, and it’s very well-reasoned. Monroe’s part of the long-term, Tay’s not. It all makes sense.
I do think, though, that’s it’s possible to stunt growth in young players by giving them too much too soon. Setting them up to fail, in other words. And that I think Gabe’s on to something insofar as Monroe’s focus on rebounding and defense might have something to do with not focusing so much on creating offense (in one of his TV interviews, for example, he said as much — not focusing on scoring and instead focusing on rebounding).
Obviously, I don’t see practices and have no real-world idea of his readiness, merely expressing a sentiment of caution.
But over the next 1-2 seasons, I’m guessing what you’ve just outlined is what we all hope to see from Monroe, for sure.
I think he's is ready for it though
Early on he looked like a jittery young moose, moving too quickly and stumbling awkwardly. But now he has emerged proud antlered, trusting of his natural instincts.
It's true, I'm a rageaholic. I just can't live without rageahol!
by Shinons on Feb 3, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Good posts MP, with the Pistons roster and record I’ll never complain about experimentation (unless it involves copious amounts of smallballs).
But my concern with involving Monroe as a facilitator from the high post is it will draw him away from the basket.
Right now Monroe is pulling down a very encouraging number of offensive rebounds and is pretty rapidly improving his efficiency around the rim, IME those two development are the most important things for Monroe to continue focusing on. Once he’s at the point where he can consistently be counted on for efficient scoring and solid rebounding, then start branching out.
As maybe the most vocal complainer when Jod drafted Monroe I’ve been happy to eat crow with his performance, and frankly he’s shocked me with how good he’s been recently. So I hope to continue to be wrong about him.
I remember a Tom Ziller article about Monroe before the draft, which argued his rebounding was underrated because he grabbed a very good % of defensive rebounds, and his relative lack of offensive rebounds was largely due to his presence as the facilitator from the high post in Gtowns Princeton offense. At the time I didn’t really buy it, but it’s become a lot more convincing to me as this season has gone on.
The only way to know for sure if Monroe can keep his efficiency and rebounding up while also at times facilitating is to try it. As someone who definitely leans towards the WP side of things though, I value the efficiency and rebounding (and steals!) very highly, and the potential payoff from Monroe facilitating IME isn’t necessarily that high.
I get the ideas of using Monroe as a point center, but an even easier way to get him involved, is to try to hit him with the ball on pick and rolls.
The pistons already use him as the primary screen on the ball handler at the top of the paint for half of their sets, yet they rarely find ways to get it into him, even when the other team switches. If they made it a point to feed Monroe in these situations it would help his confidence and open things up for everyone else, and are a lot more fun than waiting for Gordon, T-Mac, or Taysolation to take their man off the dribble.
that is absolutely one of two things I want the Pistons to do now
he’s been solid when they have ran those plays, why not run more of them?
F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.
Langolis says MFMP is right
Still to come, the front office that scouted him and the coaches who work with him daily feel, are evidence of the passing skills that make him a candidate to have the offense run through him and honing a jump shot from the baseline and elbows.
The Pistons Front Office AGREES!!!
What does this mean?
a) Is this the start of a new golden age of reasonableness,
b) Is this a jinxing that will result in a highly ironic season ending sprained antler
c) Will cheering for Monroe now become Passe, like giving Principal Belding a Buddy Band
If Recing this is wrong, I don't want to be right
by tads on Feb 3, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd For Luther Ingram Reference
Outback Steakhouse!
by V. on Feb 3, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
lmao @ the video
Thank you, Glow-In-The-Dark Baby Jesus. The Lions needed the wins and I know you will lead us to a Super Bowl.
OT
look at Bill Simmons, that bandwagon-ass cat hurrah’ing it up after a Blake Griffin slamma jamma over Kyle Korver http://yfrog.com/h453xyrj
Hey Bill
What’s your take on neo-naziism?
If there was some way you could sleep with both Kevin Garnett and Larry Bird at the same time, would you offer to play the bitch role?
Two choices: banging a Penthouse model while wearing a blue and red condom (cheer now if so), or getting gangbang bukkake’d by green and white Boston drunkards, you as the target (cheer now if so)…
Bill, have you no shame? Seriously, if there was any one thing you could do to redeem yourself, what would it be? What’s that, Bill, an arm in the butt?
F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.
by Mike Payne on Feb 3, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
The Asian Gal Behind Simmons...
is a dead ringer for my ex-fiance’, circa 1995. And her major league yaboos, those weren’t store bought, either.
Outback Steakhouse!
by V. on Feb 3, 2011 4:54 AM EST up reply actions
I’m as hard on Simmons as anybody, but I’m the guy who woke up his stepdad on the other end of the house after a Nene putback dunk. I’d be doing the same thing if I saw Griffin throwing it down.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 3, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
I do have to say though, that’s one ugly cat.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 3, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
I like the dude in the bottom right corner who is about to demolish that unsuspecting kid next to him with an open-handed slap.
by garrettelliott on Feb 3, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Pulling out the tape of his Teen Wolf VHS.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 3, 2011 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
Can we please lay off Simmons?
If you didn’t physically react to that Griffin ally-oop (or virtually any play involving Griffin ever), you have no pulse.
As for Simmons, I realize he’s a Boston guy, but he’s one of the best MAINSTREAM basketball guys around. Considering ESPN’s other guys are twats like Tim Legler, it’s nice to see a widely read and listened to guy embracing advanced stats when it’s not his own incredibly flawed metric (Simmons had Henry Abbot and regularly has Aaron Schatz on his podcast and talked about win shares and other things I like in his most recent column).
And, to be even more fair to Simmons, he’s had season tickets to the Clips for some of their worst seasons. It’s not like he just now started showing up.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
Oh, and the flawed metric thing
Was a shot at Hollinger, obviously. Say anything you want about him, I still haven’t forgiven him for those bullshit franchise rankings he did. THE PISTONS HAVE MORE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE THAN THE PHOENIX SUNS YOU FUCKING DUMB PIECE OF SHIT.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Feb 3, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Can we please lay off Simmons?</blockquote
No. Fuck that asshole.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Feb 3, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Block quote fail.
I blame Simmons.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Feb 3, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
Simmons is a fairly good writer, I’ll say that. However, a couple things bug me about him.
A) His gender based jokes are on the level of Gallagher in hackiness. I mean, I understand liking the ladies, but damn son, we get it, you have a baseball team for hot chicks with a-cups. There’s something a little off about it is all I’m saying. Its borderline sexist, and sort of cringe worthy.
B) Boston. To be fair, he’s from Boston.
C) Shtick.
D) Shitting on the Pistons at every opportunity.
E) Defending KG after the cancer patient comment.
The good he does is balanced out by all of his crappy stuff. I don’t read him anymore, it’s just not as enjoyable to read him anymore. However, credit where credit is due: he’s a perceptive cultural critic with pretty good taste, cats around with some interesting theorists/writers, the Ewing Theory is almost a breakthrough in modern science, he wrote a pretty good guide to gambling on non-sports activities I will someday have to break out, and he invented the concept of theoretical fantasy drafts for odd things (discographies, filmographies) that tends to haunt me when I can’t sleep.
And for the record: I’d take Miles Davis’s discography first overall in a ‘you get this band’s whole discography’ fantasy draft.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 3, 2011 2:20 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
thom
aw come awwn. the bandwagon-ass cat comment was 99% playful — I know he’s had Clippers tix for years and Griffin could make a dead guy jump out of his grave. Simmons is kind of a dweeb, but he’s pretty objectively great at what he does – except, as Biz said, when he unreasonably defends his hometown teams and shits on the Pistons…
Can we please lay off Simmons?
by Packey on Feb 3, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd!
And I still hold a grudge against him for putting KG ahead of Isiah Thomas in his HOF rankings. It’s not all peaches and gravy with me and the Sports Guy.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Feb 3, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit, I had forgot about that. I"m pretty sure he put Lebron ahead of him too.
Actually, fuck Bill Simmons, in his entirety.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 3, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Also
Quite certain Big Ben is not even on that list. Arguably the greatest defensive center of all time isn’t one of the 100 best players ever? Really?
Though, admittedly, I really enjoyed that book…read it all in about a week.
This signature is false.
I read it. I’ll cop to it. It’s sort of a junk-food kind of thing, not really mind blowing, but tastes good.
Simmons deserves some recognition, but Free Darko’s taken his spot as “interesting basketball writing”. Even they’ve started to drop off though, which is insanely sad, given I credit Free Darko for making go from an NBA fan to an obsessive. Let’s put it this way, Andris Biedrins wouldn’t be a figure of interest to me if I had never read Free Darko.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 3, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Gordon has been playing well since his reinsertion in the starting lineup.
25.3 points, 3.3 assists on 50.9% shooting, including 52% from deep in the last three.
I think if we continue to give him 16+ shots a game, we’ll get more consistent production out of him.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
Yeah, but so what?
(And I don’t at all mean that in a nasty way toward you, TJ. You’re probably right. But more…so what because this teams is so awful. Gordon produces and we lose and lose badly. Definitely, so what?")
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by MrHappyMushroom on Feb 3, 2011 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think I need to explain why Gordon playing well is better than Gordon playing poorly.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Feb 3, 2011 2:48 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
yes you do trout.
the last time gordon played well it pushed us from Controversy to Moose drool. Now as Pistons fans, we’re lucky that said moose drool is fermenting into a quality moose brew, but going off in the last 3 games of the season arguably cost us a lasting relationship with our Cousins.
And this year, I doubt our luck will continue if he screws us in the same way he did last year.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Yeah, except his best three game stretch
was in a three game losing streak.
Perhaps Ben really going off will land us Sullinger. Didn’t like how his 3-9 night tonight led to a victory.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Feb 5, 2011 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
True to a degree...
Sure, good play is better than bad play. But I retain my belief that a) it’s only three games after a year and a half of mediocre, and b) that a good stretch this year is pretty meaningless.
Or to put forth the ancient riddle that has intrigued humankind since the beginning:
Q: "What is the difference between a 27 win Pistons team and a 30 win Pistons team?
A: “Ben Gordon playing well”
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by MrHappyMushroom on Feb 5, 2011 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
Blow it up
Tay + T-Mac to OKC for Jeff Green, Mo Pete, and Cole Aldridge.
The Pistons lose about $1M in cap space and get Cole Aldridge on a rookie contract.
OKC gets a legit shot at a championship this year.
Rip to the Lakers for Steve Blake and Luke Walton and a bag o’ balls.
The team is going nowhere. Playoff run my ass. Joe Dumars is delusional.
NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO.
JEFF GREEN IS THE DEVIL.
I don’t care if we’re blowing it up. Jeff Green is virtually everything that got us in the wreck we’re currently in. If Dumars traded for Jeff Green, i’d want him fired, instantly. Jeff Green doesn’t do anything useful, I don’t know if there’s ever been a more middle-of-the-road basketball play. Blowing it up or not, Jeff Green ain’t solving shit. Hell, we’d be better off playing Jerebko at the 4 than we would Green. I don’t even care if it gives more cap flexibility, I don’t trust Joe with the sensurgency and choesion that Jeff Green would supposedly bring.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 3, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jeff Green takes shots
At an above-average level
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-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Feb 3, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Remember that time Jeff Green beat us at the buzzer? Good times….. good times…..
by garrettelliott on Feb 3, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
that was Maxiell's fault obv.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I think OKC is already pretty well set up at the 3
I doubt having Tay come off the bench for short minutes is enough for them to give up Aldrich.
PLEASE NOT JEFF GREEN
WHYYYYYYYY?
jumps through plate glass window
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
It was clear after the Nets loss
that this team was a steaming pile of crap. Yeah, they bounced back and surprised the Magic and nearly, kinda sorta shoulda beaten the Heat. Big deal. I think we all knew they would hit the next easyish stretch of the schedule and poop themselves. (Much merde motif in this post…)
I officially stopped looking at the standings at that point.
And just as it was sad that we were all getting so excited about McGrady’s fairly good play, (he’s a short run competent player and a good story, but will mean nothing more to this team), I found it even sadder that we were talking about a “ten game stretch in which the Pistons have looked better than they have in three years.” This was a ten game stretch in which they went 5-5 with two wins over teams with winning records, incredibly lucky wins against Philly and Phoenix and the possibly the worst four quarters of basketball any team has played this year (against the Nets).
Keep Monroe. Beyond that….
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Jeff Green is expiring
I don’t want Jeff Green either. His contract is up and you just don’t renew him.
So You're Saying He's Not Only Expiring, But Expired As Well?
Outback Steakhouse!
by V. on Feb 3, 2011 4:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s a restricted free agent. I don’t want Joe bidding against himself for Jeff Green, because I know he’ll probably give him some ridiculous deal.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 3, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Rec'd For...
Osirian Portal violating International Rules, and especially for playing Rapper’s Delight. They’re going to go a long way in pro wrestling with creativity like that.
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Thanks for coming, Better Luck Next Year
The Pistons are currently 17-32. Last year the Bulls got the eight seed with a record of 41-41. For us to end the season with this record we have to go 23-9 in our final 33 games, an overall win percentage of 73.6%.
For us to make the playoffs we’d should expect to win 73.6% of our games.
For comparison, so far this season only the Celtics and the Spurs have managed to win at or above this percentage up til now.
“What about our upcoming home stand against terrible teams?”
If we win the games against the 6 teams with a losing record and steal 2 of the other 4 we would have an overall record 25-34.
Even in this ideal scenario, we would need to win 16 and lose 7 from here on out, which requires a winning percentage of 69.5. This percentage is below the heat the and the bulls and slightly better than the Lakers.
Basically, For the Pisotns to even consider the playoffs we have to begin playing like a top 5 team, starting right now.
by tads on Feb 3, 2011 11:31 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Thank God. Getting in the playoffs wouldn’t help us at all. It’d be nice but I don’t really want to watch the Celtics beat us like red headed stepchildren.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 3, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one that who is afraid of last yeara deja vu?
Win several pointles games at the end of the season and loose high lottery pick
Yeah, especially when all the other teams REALLY stop trying.
by garrettelliott on Feb 3, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
This year, though...
A losing team will likely get the 8 seed and probably the 7 seed. I dig your analysis, but 41 wins is setting the bar too high for this year’s EC.
Currently, we’re only 4 back in the win column from getting there. It’s not out of reach … yet. If we go 17-16 over our remaining games, we’d finish at 33 wins. On paper, it’s still possible, and with a fully healthy roster, slightly better than .500 is actually possible.
Either way, we need to go 8-2 or something close over the next 10 games to really have a chance.
If you want another reason to circle that Pacers game on the 23rd, it is the last game before the trade deadline. While it is pretty absurd that our playoff hopes can be dashed before the deadline, it would be even more absurd if we held on to T-Mac, Tayshaun, and whoever so that we ‘might’ make the playoffs when at the point the writing is very clearly on the wall.
I thought the trade deadline was the 20th this year?
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by Shinons on Feb 3, 2011 11:45 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hollinger made a funny
On Derrick Rose:
I think he’s actually surpassed Kobe when it comes to the Army of Unreasonably Enthusiastic Supporters.
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Yeah, he doesn’t have a 20.9 per like my boy Chris “The Big Wheel” Wilcox.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 3, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think this losing streak has clearly shown that
Stuckey can’t run the point and BG is better at the 2. And yet…we’re a better team when he’s playing. Maybe.
Why do I feel like we’re pretty much just as bad no matter what our rotation looks like? For the money he’s gonna cost we should trade him now. Or not. Whatever.
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Based on the points presented by heWizard in the above point, one thing is clear
Resigning Stuckey would be a big mistake.
Two things are clear:
We should draft Stuckey and trade Jimmer Fredette.
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Why do I feel like we’re pretty much just as bad no matter what our rotation looks like?
Because of the players that constitute the various rotations.
via Justin Rogers on Twitter
Detroit Pistons record by starting SG: Richard Hamilton 7-17 (.292), Ben Gordon 5-11 (.313), Rodney Stuckey 5-4 (.556)
The Pistons are Shrodinger's Cat
Shrodinger put a cat in a box with some poison gas that would randomly go off so he never new if the cat was alive or dead, therefore, in his mind, the cat must be considered both alive and dead.
I submit to the board, that the Pistons are alike to this. The Pistons are tanking and yet they are not tanking. The Pistons are incompetent and yet not incompetent. It makes perfect sense.
In order to keep the fans confused, the Pistons must appear to tank and win at the same time (Shrodinger’s Pistons). And, omiting the occasional foolish heroics of The DayeWalker, the Pistons are executing their scheme perfectly.
We shall win the lottery! Cheer for our stretches of loss inducing incompetance just as hard as you cheer for our competetive efforts!
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by JumpingBlob on Feb 3, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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Dumars would give the cat a 3 year extension right before killing it.
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Side note
I fear that we cannot trade Stuckey even though BG is better at the 2 and and that jazz. Unless BG’s defense will improve with a starting role, Stuckey seems like a necessary defender for our teams future. Plus his driving abilties.
Should we just move Stuckey and BG now? Then Rip later, when we actually can? Can someone slap me out of this horrible nightmare? I just want this team to be sold already and the sanity to be restored! (Sobs)
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In Other News:
Kevin Love not named to All-Star Team.
In Other Other News:
Minnesota banned from signing free agents with talent
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OT- I like Sullinger’s game, but man does he get some soft ass calls for a such a big dude. Not sure if that’s going to translate to the NBA.
college basketball refs are the most schizo refs in any sport at any level.
the defensive players are allowed to make insane amounts of contact on the perimeter, like late 80’s bad boys style, and they call charges like it’s going out of style, and on top of that, contact in the paint amongst actual big men is forbidden against a guy like sullinger. it’s almost a completely different game than nba basketball.
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