LOL: Sixers 110, Pistons' Sixers 94
by Packey on Feb 25, 2011 9:33 PM EST
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PrintThis is what this team has been reduced to: John Kuester gets passionate over a non-call, gets the ol' heave-ho, and then three Pistons start giggling like spoiled-rich school girls:
Kudos to John Kuester (and then Brian Hill) for carrying out their master plan and only playing the six who actually showed up to practice (on time) this morning. Really firm bump-its to the six who showed up and played a game reminiscent of one we'd see from the full squad.
The Pistons' six were never really in it, and nobody expected them to be, but it should be noted that they were shooting 50-percent through 40 minutes before the fuel ran out and the real Sixers pulled away. Will Bynum led the way with 29 points on 12-24 shooting, six assists and five rebounds in a full 48 minutes. Greg Monroe had 16 points on 7-9 shooting* and 11 rebounds in 43 minutes.
Of course, the real story is this team's fall from laughingstock. Seriously, this team was already flirting with joke-status with Kuester's coaching ineptitude, most players not performing to par, and Dumars' laundry list of head-scratching-until-your-scalp-goes-completely-raw moves the past couple of years, but today felt like Charlie Sheen's toilet after a bender and a late-night stop at Taco Bell. And it stinks.
- *Everyone and LeBron's mother wanted to know why Greg Monroe only saw nine shots. The best response? From AlexKennedyNBA: Coaches wanted to but the veterans snuck into the office with a box of crayons and scribbled over every page in the playbook.
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Prince looked out onto the court. A maelstorm of bodies. Igodoudala dunked on the moose’s head. A child screamed, his memories of a once great team defiled like the prisoners of some great and terrible empire. He smiled, his mouth a cavernous of malodorous intent. The white man with the terrible hair cut screamed obscenities. The referee made the hand wave.
I think saying it didnt work wouldnt be credit to us. The man with the lazy eye grinned ear to ear. Outside a homeless man puked into a latrine.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 25, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
The Pistons and the image of the Pistons twisted in the pierglass. Outside, a lone Moose howled like some distant sectarian remnant of another age. Is this it, he said. Is this it goddamn you? Have you a throat? Have you a throat by which to foul you flagrantly? Have you a knee by which to cap you leviticously?
Silence. Bedrock, this. Lottery picks and bedrock. Silent, cold, AND FILLED WITH THE FUCKING RAGE OF FUCKING WAR THAT THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAS DRIVEN MOTHERFUCKERS TO DO MOTHERFUCKING VENGEANCE AND NON-VENGEANCE AS CIRCUMSTANCES AND REPRODUCTIVE NEED DEMANDED!
Bring it, judges. Bring it, Suttrees. Bring it, JGCs and Chigurghs alike.
And if Dumars drafts Blevins because he’s long, smooth, and can stroke it? I’m gone.
Except that I’ll stick around.
by b23 on Feb 25, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
You fucking won. This is how you do a McCarthy impression.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 25, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Can I ask you something? he said.
Yes. Of course.
Are we going back to the playoffs?
Sometime. Not now.
by garrettelliott on Feb 25, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
And can I ask you something else? he said.
Yes. Of course.
Is that okay?
Is what okay?
You know. Laughing at your coach.
Its okay.
Its really okay?
Its okay.
Okay.
Okay? He looked at his son as if for the first time. As if his son were some preterite notion from a Calvinist universe hitherto unknown. Of course its not okay, he said. Its not okay. And it never will be okay. Never say that. Never say that.
by b23 on Feb 25, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
As bad as this situation is,
It would almost be worth it if this thread devolved into a “Small-ball goes highbrow”-type of thing. That thread was one of my all time favorite Pistons related memories. (If any of you newbies have no idea what I’m talking about, use the search function and look it up. You’ll be happy you did.)
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
That was a good, good moment in DBB history. Rebuses, smallball literature, pandas, epinion, Petey deforming any and every bit of logic. Good times.
Going against b23 in McCarthy impressions is like trying to outdunk Blake Griffin.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 26, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Shucks.
All about the “like some” similes, the fragments, and the occasional obscure old testament-y word.
Exactly. I thought mine was pretty good (I write and McCarthy is one of my top 5 biggest influences) but wow, yours was amazing.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 26, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd
for a helluva explanation
watchin pornos on the ipad...thats really raw
by big_p.a.w.z. on Feb 26, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
the only players that should have been listed as inactive were
TW and JJ
the rest should have been listed as DNP-CD
When you try to mash talent together, you end up with a team that’s the best in the league on paper.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 8, 2011 10:59 AM AKST
by alaskanpistonsfan on Feb 25, 2011 9:52 PM EST reply actions
Think any of the players will acknowledge the video of them laughing and say it was all a misunderstanding, or will it just be swept under the dysfunctional rug?
even if it was a misunderstanding
fuck them
Don't be callin' me dog cause I want ya to say it backwards - Tech N9ne
by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Feb 25, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cut em all
Sign 5 D Leaguers!!
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 25, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What, are they trying to out Cav the Cavs?
3 guy with over 42 minutes? The team has fallen apart. Joe D may need to spend moire time with his son, cause what he is doing is not working!
i think i actually watched maybe 5 mins of the game
when the rage would fade and my vision would clear.
also i said this in the game thread
but will bynum deserves big props. he’s a dynamo and a real winner. his post game interview was classy.
by dandresden on Feb 25, 2011 10:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I missed the interview
What did he say?
by hoopaddict08 on Feb 25, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Play these six the rest of the way and rename the team.
Detroit Sixtons.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Feb 25, 2011 10:29 PM EST reply actions
Or maybe we can ask Philly if we could use
the Sixers? They can be the Philly Cheese-steakers
by hoopaddict08 on Feb 25, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Screw fair weather fans. Everyone on this thread tonight is a serious Piston fan. Respect.
I know we are all fed up. Disgusted. This is the lowest I’ve seen the Pistons in over a decade, possibly since pre bad boys era.
And yet. We’re still here. This is a community of (currently tired, hair pulled out, and scalp scratched, frustrated, etc.) real serious Pistons fans.
Respect.
by thesiberian on Feb 25, 2011 10:36 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Don't be callin' me dog cause I want ya to say it backwards - Tech N9ne
by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Feb 25, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Above, all..
Screw the fair weather players
When you try to mash talent together, you end up with a team that’s the best in the league on paper.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 8, 2011 10:59 AM AKST
by alaskanpistonsfan on Feb 25, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
How much of this actually happened
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArXdfJvBQpc0ydiZjh0jNEq8vLYF?slug=aw-hamiltonpistons022611
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by alaskanpistonsfan on Feb 26, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Feb 26, 2011 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
I'm off to point the pink pistol at the porcelain firing range.
by Laughton on Feb 25, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
The argyle sweater!
A dressy number from the Dumars collection, a fashion house revered for its saggy polo shirts and brown leather jackets.
Is that what an argyle sweater is?
Now I know. All told, this week was a net win.
by Kevin Sawyer on Feb 26, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
the All-Balls Team played with some serious gumption tonight
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Feb 25, 2011 10:50 PM EST reply actions
Not having
Tayshaun isolation really hurt us tonight.
Also it seemed like there wasn’t as many charges this game. Did Stuckey not play or something?
I think Joe Dumars being a player turned GM hurts us. Here’s why. He sees himself in this team, thinking “If my coach was this stupid, I’d do the same thing.”. But he needs to get off this shit. The Sportsman Award is named after you dude. If anything, this should piss him off more than anything.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 25, 2011 11:13 PM EST reply actions
I have a pet theory about this. It’s my (purely subjective, unprovable, borderline asshole) opinion that Dumars overvalues his contributions to the Bad Boy era, and that’s why Rip and Ben Gordon are making so much money, all while having a gaping hole as it relates to any interior defense and rebounding.
Or in other words, in Jod’s minds, Zeke + Dumars >>> Laimbeer + Rodman + et al.
And I think he’s dead wrong (assuming I’m in any way correct about this).
Hmmmmmm….. interesting. My personal pet theory, of course, is that Joe Dumars tried to adapt the Pistons to the modern day NBA, but did it completely wrong.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 26, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That' what I subscribe to...too, mostly
I blame the Suns and getting owned by players like Wade and Lebron
This team is not worthy of my fanhood.
TO keep it going… I think “the modern NBA” is a myth in Jod’s mind. No one wins titles the way Dumars has been describing the NBA since summer ’09.
Possibly. I do like your pet theory though.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 26, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
The Pistons championship teams, Bad Boys and '04 version
Had two things in common: both teams were really, really deep with lots of really good players coming off the bench, and both played great defense. You could say the “we had no superstar” model too, I guess, although Zeke was one of the very best point guards in the league.
In the immediate post-‘04 years, Detroit got woefully poor production out of its bench. We can go back and forth as to whether that was because the players weren’t very good or because Brown & then Flip didn’t trust them or coach them or whatever, but we had terrible bench production, especially at SF where Tayshaun would routinely play way too many minutes every season.
Right now, though, we just don’t have enough good players. Who, on Detroit, is at or near the elite level at their position? And the players we have don’t match, as I don’t need to tell folks here. It’s so frickin’ obvious, I really can’t understand why JOD hasn’t done much of anything about it.
Both teams had time to gel together, as well. The Bad Boys went through some tough losses that really galvanized them. The ‘04 squad didn’t suffer as much heart ache, but they played together for a while to develop that trust and chemistry. Right now we have a bunch of guys who play like they’ve never met before.
by garrettelliott on Feb 26, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
F these guys, I hate this team
for the most part. Rip, Tay, Stuckey, Wilcox, Wallace. No professionalism just a bunch of ass clowns. Seriously, what happened to my Pistons, I thought they stood for something, all they are now is a big joke and an example of whats wrong with the NBA today. A major house cleaning is necessary including Dumars.
Arrghh, more fodder for a lockout
When you try to mash talent together, you end up with a team that’s the best in the league on paper.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 8, 2011 10:59 AM AKST
by alaskanpistonsfan on Feb 25, 2011 11:27 PM EST reply actions
Night of Friday Laughs
www.letterricodunk.com
by kenshi on Feb 25, 2011 11:38 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Popping my iPhone dbb cherry
Layout is sick and I smell like Miguel Cabrera right now
by Packey on Feb 25, 2011 11:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm using my samsung epic with the new froyo update
And I can answer this post just like on the computer with the in-line pop-up box
I'm still using the G1
I got it right after it came out, the first ever Android phone, and I’m upgrading to the G2 in May… and I can’t wait.
F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.
wife has droid and it's great
I went with iPhone because I wanted to test the waters, see the rave and most of all because it has a bar review app that droid does not
Vee_Ellis4Freep Vincent Ellis
#Pistons also walked out during Kuester’s postgame talk before All-star break, according to source.
Vee_Ellis4Freep Vincent Ellis
Not clear on how many participated, but team just walked into shower while Kuester was talking. #Pistons.
This team is not worthy of my fanhood.
by Kriz on Feb 26, 2011 12:01 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
BAHAHA
No way you guys don’t think this is funny
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Feb 26, 2011 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
that shit fucks with your confidence
watchin pornos on the ipad...thats really raw
by big_p.a.w.z. on Feb 26, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
Dude...
I’ve got to effing watch this game. Brb.
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
Twitter: @4Hoopz
Fark.
International League Pass has the frikkin’ 76er commentators. Rats.
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
Twitter: @4Hoopz
They're talking about how great the 76ers are...
… and now about the “keys to the game”…
For f*cks sake – your starters showed up for the game: THAT’LL DO.
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
Twitter: @4Hoopz
oh and no offense on that one. but, u know. 6 players. ugh.
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
Twitter: @4Hoopz
Seriously, FUCK EVERYBODY
That shit wouldn’t fly in my middle school students’ C.H.A.M.P.S. league, its not flying in the elementary league that comes out in half time at Pistons games. If this shit flies in Pistons games we need to burn down the whole damn Palace.
Mr. D is rolling in his grave
by tads on Feb 26, 2011 1:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Get your shit back on track, Deee-troit.
This really sucks. Don’t like seeing a once-rival go down like this.
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
Twitter: @4Hoopz
True that.
Wonder if they read that post of mine lol
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
Twitter: @4Hoopz
MFWB
"I sat and got DNP’s for a month and a half, you think I was turning down 48 minutes? I ain’t crazy," Bynum said
by Danny D on Feb 26, 2011 12:43 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I'm torn
between being pissed off at the mockery of the players and the mockery Q makes of himself.
Is there a method to this wildcat strike?
Is it just sheer laziness?
Why does Q get tossed NOW?
Maybe if he showed some passion when we started sucking it never would have come to this.
Maybe he’s just too lazy.
Now FSN is comparing this to revolutions in Egypt.
What can I say about this team that hasn't already been said about Afghanistan
It looks bombed out and depleted.
by JoeDip on Feb 26, 2011 12:54 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Recced because I made a reference to this skit twice tonight. Both about our team.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 26, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously, Fuck those players.
This team needs to get blown up. Cut those veterans sure, I’d like to see them get jobs with that attitude they just showed.
by Taiwanese Tora on Feb 26, 2011 12:57 AM EST reply actions
Was it as bad as it sounds?
Or is this just post game depression/anger?
I missed the game, should I be glad??
So many questions, I feel so lost, never felt something like this as a Pistons fan…
Wait, what?
by Uncommon Sense on Feb 26, 2011 1:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I didn't watch the game either because I was at work.
But I believe this whole thing is being blown way out of proportion.
Rasheed Wallace. He sowed the seeds of discord… and now they are ripe for harvest.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 26, 2011 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
It's time for bill laimbeer and for joe d to go
We need bill laimbeer to coach, and for joe d to go away! that is all we need right now, joe d has made a mess and it’s time for tom gores to clean it up!, fast please don’t blame the player on this one it’s real easy to do that but please don’t, we needed to stay away from anybody who know’s larry brown in anyway and we didn’t, after what larry brown did to mr D who i love with all my heart we needed to stay away from larry brown’s people and we didn’t that’s the lesson we will learn from this
by Fred W. Capel on Feb 26, 2011 2:29 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
HEY FRED GOOD TO SEE YOU BUDDY.
F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.
by Mike Payne on Feb 26, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Just a Portland fan sifting through the comments around here.
Sorry for what’s been going on, but I found a post that I had to quote:
There are too many unemployed people in Detroit to fuck around with people that are too good to go in to work. They should hold tryouts and get people off the streets like the replacements.
Would this not make the season?
viva la revolution
Sorry but
Still siding with the players. Kuester is a joke. I was laughing my ass off at the bar watching this embarrassment.
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Feb 26, 2011 3:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sure he is a joke.
Showing balls by benching the whole veteran leadership club and destroying all with an ejection is really, really stupid.
But acting like divas and not showing up to practise, just because they don’t like Q, and laughing at his ejection is even worse.
HEY!
by HEY! on Feb 26, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What he said
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by alaskanpistonsfan on Feb 26, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
I dare you to do what they did next time you're mad at your boss
Make sure you have your resume handy. In the real world, people don’t get to be that big of assholes.
the whole organization is a joke
if everyone around you is jokin, employees clownin doesn’t make a difference.
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Feb 26, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Have you ever had a real 9-5 job, man? I’m not trying to be a jerk, but you sound like a high school kid with zero life experience right now. This shit just doesn’t happen in the real world.
I cannot believe you guys think this is a bad thing. This is the blowup we’ve been waiting for. Joe is delusional thinking he put a good thing together. This had to happen for the team to be completely blown up. I honestly think without this that joe would have tried to resign all of them.
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Feb 26, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
If you think it could have positive results, I’m with you. But you seem to be defending the action by the players as justifiable. That, to me, is untenable.
by brgulker on Feb 26, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I really honestly think the whole thing is a joke. If you’re in charge you have to put the blame solely on yourself when things get this bad. After that article just came out talking about rip berating kuester to the point the young players wished they had the courage to stand up to him, dumars knew this thing was really bad and should have done something to prevent this from happening. I guess I’d say their actions are not justified but all the blame shouldn’t be on them. It’s like getting charged for drug use where the drug problem is out of hand, you’ll get charged but to a lesser degree.
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Feb 26, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Except the argument isny all blame is on them
rather they are responsible for their own action.Kuester is an idiot, Dumars made a mess and they failed this team. Plenty of blame to go around.
This team is not worthy of my fanhood.
I’m sure when I look back on this in a year I’ll hate on the players a lot more than I am now. But right now I just laugh because when we thought it couldn’t get worse, it did.
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Feb 26, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
worst than that day um
u guys drafted darko
watchin pornos on the ipad...thats really raw
by big_p.a.w.z. on Feb 26, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
Every other team would have drafted Darko. Your argument is invalid.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 26, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
After having slept on it, to me it is entirely possible that the reason they are blatantly disrespectful to Q
is because they feel he is disrespectful to them. At this point, I would not know what that would imply.
Of course this is a man they knew from 04, an assistant coach they had a relationship with during the Brown years. So both the players (Tay, Rip, and Ben) and Joe already knew him and expressed favorably towards him. This is not a stranger who suddenly came with his dictatorship and his horrible manner, I’m pretty sure they had to know about whatever behavior (if there is) or tendency he had that can be considered in poor taste.
So, granting them the benefit of them turning against a guy that has previously disrespected them, I still say their behavior is wrong. Missing practice was wrong, organizing a coup was wrong and the slaughters of last night still make me angry and sad. Maybe John Kuester is incredibly unprofessional, but so are they. Someone else’s bad behavior does not excuse yours. More importantly, Kuesters hypothetical unprofessionalism is yet to shame the organization, the city and the fans. The players have.
This team is not worthy of my fanhood.
If Kuester’s as bad as all that, then he’s got the art of being two-faced down. He rarely yells at players in public, and he doesn’t talk (much) shit in interviews.
I hear what you’re saying, but I’m just not at all ready to buy that Kuester deserved this in any way. I think it’s a bunch of butthurt primma donna players who can’t handle losing like men because they can’t admit they need to be better players.
My comment was the product of seeing some blog writers online suggest that for a group of vets to reach this point
it must have been preceded by some horrible behavior by Kuester.
My argument is that even if that is true, I still stand by the belief that their actions are wrong and unjustified.
This team is not worthy of my fanhood.
by Kriz on Feb 26, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's Q's problem: He doesn't know how to communicate to players (or media).
He does things his own way, but has totally alienated his team from the very beginning of the season.
take the example of Rip.
Rip berates Q during practice, and Q reportedly doesn’t say a word back. Really?
One could take that as a sign of maturity… not responding is sometimes better than responding and inflaming.
Just playing devil’s advocate. I have no idea what’s correct.
by brgulker on Feb 26, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I dunno… if someone goes off you have to do SOMETHING. Maybe not punch them in the throat, but at least respond. Reacting can be done in a mature way, and I think in that case it should have happened.
It’s silly to make comparisons because these guys are millionaire athletes and whatever, but when I was the boss at my old company (I had about 70 people working for me) I would have been laughed out of the office if someone gave me crap and I didn’t do anything about it. In fact, in my first week a dude tested me by blatantly breaking my trust and the rules — I could have let it slide or whatever and tried to be the nice guy buddy boss, but instead I laid the smack down and wrote him up with disciplinary action because it was the right thing to do and set the tone that I was going to be fair as long as everyone followed the rules. Everyone knew where they stood and I think I did a pretty good job for three years running the department.
by garrettelliott on Feb 26, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
But then Rip was punished
Q may not have yelled back at Rip, but he did bench him permanently. It may not be the approach most people would have taken, but it probably got his point across.
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
Yeah, and that was the right move for the franchise, I think. But obviously not doing something then and there when the initial outburst happened had an impact, especially on the young guys (if this gossip is true).
by garrettelliott on Feb 27, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t like the no response method either. It makes it seem like you don’t have an answer to what is being said to you and that the other person is correct or might be correct and you yourself aren’t certain enough to respond. By only acting after the fact it can easily come off as spite, because you were made to look like a fool but still have the power to punish the person.
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
I was kinda wondering about this a bit gulks. In the pregame presser, Q was all optimistic and saying nothing was wrong and everything was just hunky dory. I just said bullshit. Because you immediately saw everyone benched and no sight of them entering the game to spell the starters for a few minutes. Then he explodes over nothing in the game and afterwords will only respond that it’s an internal matter. I know you can right it off as coach speak, but he certainly always acts like he’s got things under control while the players obviously don’t think he does.
And just to recap, I want Q, Rip, and Tay gone asap.
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
I also question their motives.
Because thinking of the players involved, Rip could have been out of here this past deadline and he chose against it. He preferred to stay in this horrible situation with an incompetent, hypothetically disrespectful boss rather than go play for a team that while not better is not worse than this in a place not far from Michigan and under the same climatic conditions. He preferred staying in this horrible, not playing situation rather than taking a buyout and going to the place of his choosing and play for a championship. Why? If this is so horrible why pass up the opportunity to leave? He had an out, why not take it?
Why is Tay, who is nearly a FA engaging in this? Why it is so important to make this public, known when he is out of here, free to go wherever, in 20 something games? Same goes for Tracy (I ain’t calling him TMac no more). Why is a guy on a one year contract, about to expire, becoming free of this team and the big bad Kuester, getting involved in this?
Ben is curious, It doesn’t really hock me but at this point I expected him to be past this. Anyways, I have little doubt that had he asked Dumars to be traded, even to a contender, taking into consideration Joe’s “if he doesn’t want to be here, he won’t be here” and how he traded Chauncey to his preffered destination, Joe would have traded him before the deadline. Very little doubt.
Why are Austin and Stuckey…oh yeah because they’re stupid.
So, seeing how it isn’t the guys locked long term to this organizations the ones that are protesting I really have to wonder about their motives. Are they trying to ruin Kuester’s reputation to the point where he doesn’t step near a bench anymore? Are they trying to ruin Joe, out of whatever spite may have, so that he is forced to quit? Are they trying to ruin the Pistons organization in the public eye? Ruin the sale? Break the hearts of the fans?
Did they fucking think this through? Is it possible that they didn’t quite consider the amount of hurt and the quantity of people they place it to? Is it possible they are all just that stupid? Or are they that evil?
This team is not worthy of my fanhood.
Also, and this is it, I promise
they embarrassed him in his home, Philly. His family was there too. They chose to embarrass this man in front of his own family. Which may be a sign of how horrible he may be and how much they hate him, but also is a sign of the kind of guys they are.
This team is not worthy of my fanhood.
In regard to Rip staying. All I can think of is either Rip wants to remain in Detroit and is just trying to survive until Q is gone, Or his agent convinced him not to take the buyout. Although our belief that having 25 mill at the 2 and Stuckey as a 2 doesn’t help in our view of his decision to remain.
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
If Joe Dumars doesn’t suspend at least some of these players (presumably, without pay), it will be the single biggest failure of his tenure.
if some of these players were never extended we might not be in this situation right now...
so extending some of these players counts as bigger failures.
Not even close
Yes, extending them and keeping them around was a bad idea. But that was only bad in terms of winning and losing. This is so much bigger than that. If we don’t suspend these players, we risk allowing the organization to descend into complete and utter chaos. If we punish them, we can still hold out hope that the young guys like Monroe and Daye will get the message that you can’t fuck with the coach or disrespect the organization. If we cave and allow them to play, we teach our young and impressionable players that they can do literally anything and that their is nothing wrong with quitting as long as you don’t like your coach. Once that stink gets into the team, it will stick with us until after everyone who is part of this team is gone. EVERYONE.
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
I am on this train
I have half a mind to buy a ticket home to Michigan just to go to the next home game so I can boo each of these players every time their name is called, they touch the ball, or demonstrate in any way. As a fan, I am hurt. I feel like a child in the middle of a hostile divorce: regardless of who is right and who is wrong, at least Q has the decency to keep the arguments away from us. The players are doing the equivalent of having an abusive, public argument at the neighborhood 4th of July party: too selfish to care how it makes us feel, how it makes the family look, or how it will eventually affect their reputation. It’s embarrassing, disgraceful, and I really don’t see how (once the dust settles) I will cheer for any of these players ever again. I haven’t felt like basketball crying since Ben Wallace signed with Chicago. Stab me in the heart, guys.
This signature is false.
I don't think Monroe could ever learn to disrespect the organization
But Daye clearly started learning already… I certainly hope he’ll get it out of his system ASAP
I never believed Ben or Tay could disrespect the organization
and now look where we are. You can’t take these things for granted.
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
I can understand this argument...
and understand how you can feel this way, but I also have a hard time believing that grown adults in Monroe and Daye can just pick up on bad habits when they appear to be good kids. Some of these veterans where already ass holes to begin and/or developed an ego with too many years of success through inconsistent coaching.
If the players were being ass holes and were experiencing some success, then I’d be worried. But the players are being ass holes and completely and totally failing at what they are getting paid to do. And numerically they are failing. Not a single one of these players is having any thing remotely representing a good season. And coaching isn’t so much to blame because most of these players have been given the chance to prove themselves for playing time.
The coaching isn’t perfect. The veterans are being ass holes. But I fail to see how a bunch of grown men can be so easily persuaded into an attitude that I see as being against a core belief. Anything the younger players do is probably more the result of peer pressure. You remove that pressure you remove the issue.
I'm probably overly emotional and irrational right now
I reserve the right to not be held accountable for anything I say in the next 24 hours.
by brgulker on Feb 26, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
OH, and if you want to get riled up
Check out PistonPowered’s twitter feed. Tons of RT’s of national media … we are officially a laughingstock.
Hopefully this is exactly what we needed
We are writing a manual on why you can’t half-ass rebuild and still compete whilst changing ownership. I might go into a dark room and not come out till draft day, kinda like that nfl commercial a couple years ago.
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Feb 26, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I could see this type of behavior coming from those other rapscallions...
but Austin Daye?
C’mon, baby boy. Get your mind right.
/fire kuester
//f u rip
///f u dumars
Et tu, Dumars?
Austin Daye’s sort of stuck in the middle of this, so what he did was a little more forgivable. He’s still cool with me. Plus, Skylar met him at a Q-Tip/Jay Electronica show, so at least dude has good taste.
Wallace is the one I’m the most disappointed in. I’m sad it happened but extra sad Wallace did.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 26, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Wallace has always been kind of an ass.
Everyone around him was just a bigger ass.(shoulder shruggin, cocky walkin, non big game winninn, 04ers)
unwarrented self importance
maybe due in large part to being a second gen NBAer.
Either way, he picked the wrong bunch to hitch his wagon to. Pathetic display of selfishness doesn’t make you one of the cool kids. More like an idiot.
Quote from Marc Stein's twitter:
If I’m Rip/Tay/Big Ben, I’m prayin’ Kuester DOESN’T walk now. Cause ushering a coach aside this way goes on their resumes in permanent ink
I hadn’t even considered the potential long term consequences of this. I can’t even comprehend a future where Tay and Ben have to live with the reputation of being a coach killer. This is insane.
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
The guys lived through Larry Brown, who has a way worse reputation for being difficult than Kuester. Come on.
If Tayshaun Prince and Rip Hamilton keep the franchise from being sold, and then I have to deal with this group of losers for another season, I’m getting a divorce and becoming a Wizards fan. That’s the nuclear option. And I hate the Wizards.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 26, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
The more I think about it,
The more Joe NEEDS to suspend those involved for at LEAST a couple of games. But he can’t. There is no possible way we can play for a few weeks with only 6 active players. And we don’t have any available roster spots to sign D-leaguers.
Is there any possible way Stern would let us go over the maximum of 15 roster spots just so we could punish our players and not kill the players who didn’t quit?
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
Oh, wait, that couldn't happen anyway.
I’d forgotten our owner is currently Karen Davidson who would rather destroy the soul of this organization than spend money on a couple of 10-day contracts.
FML
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
You know the worst part?
This whole scenario actually makes me wish I was a Clippers fan. And I’m not even talking about Blake Griffin here. Having Sterling as an owner would be better than the situation we are in. I’m jealous of the Clippers. That’s how far we have fallen. I hate my life.
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
I think last night's events have put the Pitons in a no win situation.
Harsh punishment for the players will make players and agents angry, and Detroit is already a not so sexy destination. Not punishing the players properly furthers the belief of the nuts running the asylum. Firing Kuester will keep (even more) respectable coaches away.
If I’m Joe and I didn’t have to think of FAs, I’d wait till March 2 and and cut Tracy, Ben (sorry) and maybe Tay. If I don’t cut Tay I simply ask him to stay away alongside Rip. I hand out some punishment to Daye and Stuckey and tell them that if they want to play again this year they have to publicly apologize to Pistons fan. I’d also have to fire Kuester, maybe frame if at as resignation if he prefers it that way, and make Hill interim coach. I’d made my resignation available for Mrs. Davidson and Mr. Gores, or whatever future owner. I’d say it becomes effective the moment they wish so while offering to stay until they can acquire a replacement. Then I’d sign D-Leaguers to take the spots of the players cut and finish out the season with that.
This enables the organization, with perhaps the exception of Rip, of cleaning house and starting over. New owner, new GM, new coach, new players.
This team is not worthy of my fanhood.
by Kriz on Feb 26, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I love this
The only problem is that you’re assuming management is in any way in touch with fans (on the apology part). I don’t think it is. I think management is completely clueless and assumes blind loyalty. Just epinion, though.
Love it, too.
But there is no way JOD wouldn’t hang on to the chance of a sign and trade with Tay, simply to save face after the Dallas fuck up.
But then again, how much face is left there to save anyway.
HEY!
Actually playing 6 guys the rest of the way really improves our chances of getting a top pick
And we actually have a semi-legitimate excuse to do it… not that I believe there will be anything more than a couple games’ suspension.
Rip and Tayshaun need to get McNultied
Send these bitches to Marine Unit out of vengeance.
If I was Gores, I’d buy the team and give Joe Dumars an ultimatum: you’ve got till the trade deadline to get rid of Rip Hamilton. If not, I’m going to buy him out and fire you.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 26, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
For negative amount of time in ultimatum.
by freywagg on Feb 26, 2011 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Woj: Rip at center of controversy
Thi makes a lot of sense
a) Ben Wallace admitted to something happening prior to Rip’s benching, without wanting to enter into detail. He also claimed that, in his opinion, it was not worth benching Rip.
b) Remember that this group previously berated Curry because he was a career rotation player. I remember the rumor of the claim being made that because he had been a lower tier player he had no right of telling them what to do. They disrespecting Kuester for being a career assistant coach fits.
c) V. Goodwill kept repeating last night that the important thing that people kept failing to discuss, due to the ‘protest’, was why Rip didn’t take his exit card.
This team is not worthy of my fanhood.
Wow, NBA players are assholes. I feel like I’ve just been fed acid. The world is a completely different place now. I had never really realized it until now, but NBA players don’t sound that cool of guys.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 26, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
FUR
F@&K U RIP
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by alaskanpistonsfan on Feb 26, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
And wow if the buyout was for 18 million how could he pass that?
He could have easily made the remaining 7 million signing a year contract with a team of his choosing.
This team is not worthy of my fanhood.
And went to a decent Chicago Bulls' team...
And seek revenge against this organization 4 times a year and prove he is the better SG Ben Gordon couldn’t be.
Deeeeeee-pressing Basketball!
amazing that he would shout and curse the coach to his face in front of all those people
that goes a long way towards explaining how the relationship got so bad Q would bench him without talking to him first. Though of course there would have to have been other things going on before that for Rip to go there… in short there’s been more bad blood in this team than we’ve realized (and still realize probably).
Probably goes some way towards explaining their performance on the court as well (obviously in addition to how fucked up this roster is)
Amazing that Rip would lead a revolt like this after basically refusing to leave the team. And just as amazing that he would refuse that buyout in his situation. Maybe blinded by anger at Q or the organization.
Joe’s acceptance of a culture of player insuborination over the years has a lot to do with this situation as well.
We Want Rip... GONE! We Want Rip... GONE!
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
For whatever my opinion is worth
I mostly agree with what Kriz has posted above.
At some point you say, there has to be fault on both sides, but jeez, couldn’t they have handled this better? A bunch of grown men?
All I can keep thinking is
Whoever buys the Pistons will be taking it on as a fixer-upper. They will have to invest a lot of money in new players, a new front office, some sort of publicity campaign to bring fans back… What’s to say they would want to pour all that money into the Detroit market? I worry not that the current mess makes the team difficult to sell, but more that it may make potential buyers want to move their new investment to a wealthier market.
I'll serve your ass like John McEnroe!
It would be more like "Pimp my Ride"
Boring, hosted by an imbecile, and the end result is a tarted up piece of shit.
I'll serve your ass like John McEnroe!
my grandma drove my car through a taco bell...
it could use some pimpin’. Plus it’s ’92 Lincoln Towne Car Executive Series. You could make that thing look real nice.
Our publicity campaign should already be happening but it’s not. Greg Monroe is the future of the Pistons for now and should be the face on everything. They need to put him out there.
by garrettelliott on Feb 26, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, Guys..
..as much as you hate Dumars, this one is almost entirely on the ownership.
If you believe Woj, there was a deal in place to trade Rip, but Rip passed on it. (I have no idea what to say about that one, I can’t believe Rip would pass on such a deal).
The ownership situation is almost exponentially worse than this. Q was rumored to be fired this week, I suspect ownership put the kibosh to that. Remember, this is the same ownership that had a deal with Illitch, until Illitch caught them cooking the books, but is also dealing with interference from their broker and the NBA.
When this all started out several months ago, I predicted that Illitch would end up with the team for $375M. They were very close to a deal at a little over that number when the accounting issue came up. Then you have Gores, he’s offering even less, but like Illitch, they say they’re close and can’t get the deal done. So, you really have to wonder WTF is going on.
Going back to what’s happening on the court, the players’ action was shameful, and pretty much indefensible. Q is no doubt a turkey of a coach, but not so much so where this sort of stunt has to be pulled… and I reiterate, Rip earned his benching and subsequent exile.
Just Vpinion
by V. on Feb 26, 2011 12:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think anyone would disagree with you
Dumars has made mistakes, but this is on the ownership. Joe had to have known that the situation was getting ugly and needed to change but doing that would likely require spending a bunch of money on a buy out or taking back bad contracts which wasn’t possible with our current owner.
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
ithink dumers should fine all the player s and back his coach also iwould s mack them tack a benching intillthey get the on same payageas your coach
by kwfords on Feb 26, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
rec'd for original use of many words
and brgulker and freywagg are rec’d for rec’ing without rec’ing.
rec'd for
ithink, dumers, player s, iwould, s, mack, tack, intillthey, the on, payageas, punctuation.
F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.
by Mike Payne on Feb 26, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
this post is so amazing
I can’t even comprehend how incredible it is.
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
rec'd because I'm a bandwagoner.
… wait, what am I doing here?
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Rip is pissing me off
He received shitload of many in form of extension and his loyalty to Detroit reached 0.
by spaceghost on Feb 26, 2011 2:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I wonder what contract terms are like
Maybe some of the players actions could be interpreted as voiding their contract. I doubt it, but still, for Rip to basically refuse a buyout that would allow him to sign a new contract elsewhere and then lead a mutiny in Detroit is pretty amazing – they have to keep paying him after that?!
Do we have to wait until Monday to see any movement?
If so, I won’t be able to sleep for a couple of days.
Deeeeeee-pressing Basketball!
What movement?
The trade deadline has passed and no one is getting bought out. We’re stuck with these bums.
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
Suspensions, fines, resignations, firings, suicides, a red panda infestation
There is plenty of movement that can happen and any or all would be welcomed at this point.
Deeeeeee-pressing Basketball!
by DBB Diablo on Feb 26, 2011 6:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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