ParaJOD

by -PS- on Mar 1, 2011 7:02 PM EST

Lately I've been thinking about this ~~paraJOD~~ paradox—nay, this totally unoriginal observation!

DBB, have you noticed that for each of the five starters from the 2004 Pistons, their on-court productivity was inversely correlated with the length of their post-championship tenure in Detroit? Ben Wallace, one of the best defenders in NBA history, was the first to depart, followed by Chauncey Billups, a top point guard during his prime. Next to go was Rasheed Wallace, an outstanding two-way player.

Who remains? Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince, two overpaid and eminently replaceable swingmen. By all accounts, they are also responsible for much of the turmoil experienced by the Pistons this year and last season.

More in a second.

I can't think of any other NBA teams whose highest-salaried ~~off-guard~~ SG and SF rival Hamilton and Prince's absurd pay-to-performance ratio and overall attitude issues. What does this RPBAR'd situation tell us about JOD's ability to evaluate talent, his comprehension of the NBA salary cap, and (should he stay on as GM) the chances that the Pistons will return to championship form before the end of the decade?

We're RED PANDA'd!

Now your thoughts.

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My apologies if someone else previously posted this totally unoriginal observation.

by -PS- on Mar 1, 2011 7:28 PM EST reply actions

I read that as "For Jod"

I was expecting an open letter either declaring your unconditional love ( with the same sexual tension as our own MP and Mr. Sessions) or an angry explanation as to why you took down the picture of him you had in front of your toilet.

I’ve been left disappointing. Not a feeling I enjoy.

This team is not worthy of my fanhood.

by Kriz on Mar 1, 2011 8:06 PM EST reply actions 4 recs

It hadn’t occurred to me that you (or anyone else) might read it that way. Sorry for making you feel disappointed. My next FanPost will have an English title but its text will be entirely in Spanish.

by -PS- on Mar 1, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

That made me chuckle.

by Colin M on Mar 1, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions

rec'd

for feeling disappointing.

by C$ on Mar 2, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions

no me gusta espanol

by mgoblue4ever on Mar 1, 2011 10:06 PM EST reply actions

Donde esta el bano?

NO HOMO!!!!!!!

by FMFDOC8404 on Mar 2, 2011 12:45 AM EST reply actions

Dumars: "There are no sacred cows."

I just rewatched the infamous There are no sacred cows press conference, the morning Dumars fired Flip Saunders, and it’s interesting that Dumars spoke to Tayshaun and Rip just before his press conference. Dumars also says the last ten minutes of the Pistons loss to the Celtics was a microcosm of the last three years of confernence finals defeats.

I checked out the box score and Chauncey got outplayed pretty badly in the last stretch of the game by a young fresh point guard named Rajon Rondo but only a crazy person would think Chauncey was to blame for the loss. He was the second most efficient player on the court in the game but I think Dumars watched that game end badly and thought “my point guard got outplayed at the end” and not “my bench sucks and my point guard wasn’t fresh at the end” and that’s all she wrote.

Dumars put together a NBA champion starting 5 and then proceeded to get the value of the 5 individuals very very wrong.

by joejoejoe on Mar 2, 2011 1:21 AM EST reply actions

sad fucking shit

I just read my own comments about this thanks to the trusty DBB search engine. Fucking depressing:

I hope, hope, hope that Chauncey is locked in here in Detroit, I think it would be totally foolish to move him. The only real knock anyone can have on Chauncey this last season is that he was injured in the playoffs, which isn’t his fault. He had one of the best careers of his year, he’s one of the premier point guards in the league, yet people here are quick to sell him upstream just to let a sophomore PG take the keys. I love Stuckey, I think he’s got a bright future, but chances are he will never be a Chauncey Billups.

Oh, and I want to rec myself for “best careers of his year”. That shit was awesome.

F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.

by Mike Payne on Mar 2, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs

Zapruder Cows

We should have a joint DBB project were we deconstruct that entire press conference frame by frame.

by joejoejoe on Mar 2, 2011 3:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

back, and to the left.

F***KING TAYSHAUN ISOLATION.

by Mike Payne on Mar 2, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions

If you like it

I will rec’troactive it.

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by brgulker on Mar 2, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

I love rec-ing ancient comments. It’s like writing marginalia in an antiquarian book.

by -PS- on Mar 3, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions

If you link it

Rec’d for spelling fail.

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by brgulker on Mar 3, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions

At 35, How Many Minutes A Game Can He Play?

NYK lost to ORL the other night, Chauncey, who owns Jameer Nelson, was out with a thigh bruise. I wonder how many points not being able to exploit that matchup cost them?

Or, at 35, and on the decline, does CB still own Nelson? I’m kind of curious to see how that would play off in the playoffs.

The last 2-3 years, CB’s production seems to have decreased, his FT% has dropped slightly, he just doesn’t seem to have the hunger he once had. It’s going to be interesting with the Knicks, because he’s going to be the glue that holds Amare and Melo together.

Just Vpinion

by V. on Mar 6, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions

Dumars put together a NBA champion starting 5 and then proceeded to get the value of the 5 individuals very very wrong.

This. (which is what PS is saying, too)

I mentioned this the other day. I have this totally unprovable theory that Jod overvalues guys like Rip, Tay, and Gordon because he overvalues his own contribution to the Bad Boys era. I realize that’s offensive, and it’s hard to construct any strong arguments for it.

But, I do think you can make a very strong case that Dumars got it completely wrong as it relates to the value of the “core” of the Going to Work era. Clearly, success was driven by Wallace and Billups, but only Prince and Rip were retained for the long haul (and then Gordon added later, which I think is the only tangible evidence for my pet theory, if it’s evidence at all).

That said, I think Jod understands that defense and rebounding are valuable. I just don’t think he values them appropriately relative to jumpshooting guards, if that makes any sense.

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by brgulker on Mar 2, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions

One thing is sure about how Dumars values players

it involves as much “gut” and as little data as possible

by tads on Mar 2, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Speaking of which, doe anybody here know about the MIT sports analytics conference?

This thing is going on now, apparently Darryl Morey, Del harris, and R.C. Buford were speaking about it.

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/

They have a live stream during the day Friday which maybe people with flexible schedule could check out.

by tads on Mar 3, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions

I've heard of it

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by brgulker on Mar 3, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions

My theory is he saw the way the NBA was going with perimeter oriented players and overvalued what he had. Sort of like saying, “Man, Inception was a kickass movie. I should totally make everybody in my movie wear suits and talk cryptically, then I’ll make a ton of money.” only instead of Dicaprio, you have a coked up Fred Savage and your script was written by two chihuahuas.

by Biz Markie Moon on Mar 2, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs