Pistons lose season-long winning streak, Charlie Villanueva loses mind
by Packey on Apr 11, 2011 11:33 PM EDT
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PrintThe Pistons had a three-game winning streak heading into tonight's home finale against the Cleveland Cavs, which is as close to a sure thing for a season-high four-game winning streak as you can possibly get (you know, without actually getting it). But, remember, it's the 2011 Detroit Pistons we're talking about here -- the Pistons fell by a score of 110-101. The loss seals Detroit's fate as the No. 7 seed for the May 17 lottery.
Rodney Stuckey led all with 29 points on 8-14 shooting (13-13 from the line) and also dropped 14 assists (opposite just two late turnovers). Good time for games like that.
The real action, however, came when Charlie Villanueva went all Gnarls Barkley on Ryan Hollins [via MLIVE]:
Charlie Villanueva and Ryan Hollins become locked up with each other on the court with 5:47 left in the game. Each raked the other across the face with his hand before the two were separated.
A few moments later, after both were ejected, Villanueva tried to get at Hollins but was wrestled toward the tunnel by Pistons guard Rodney Stuckey and head of security Jerry Hendon. As he made his way down the tunnel, Villanueva gestured toward Hollins as if challenging him to meet him in the locker room area.
According to reports by witnesses, Villanueva later raced out of the Pistons locker room and ran toward the Cavaliers locker room. At one point, he yelled, "I'm going to kill that dude." Police eventually restrained Villanueva in a loading dock area between the locker rooms and led Villanueva back to the Pistons locker room.
According to MLIVE's James Schmehl, Hollins threw an elbow that caught Villanueva in the lip and then said something 'smart.' If some scrub intentionally elbowed me in the lip and then told me, a six-foot-eleven power forward, "your rebounding rate is sub-standard and, thus, you're not a worthy player; QED," I'd probably snap, too.
If you missed the game, here's the incident in question with fitting music:
A little more on the game after the jump:
- New Pistons owner Tom Gores (head tilt, what's up?) was seen dancing on the jumbo, looking cool as ever at the game.
- Greg Monroe notched another double-double on the ol' belt with 10 points and 10 rebounds. That's Moose's 20th double-double of the season!
- Pistons shot over 60-percent in the first quarter, but were outscored 63-42 in the middle two quarters.
- Jason Maxiell was impressive on the glass early and finished with 14 in 32-plus minutes.
- Tracy McGrady did not dress. NBA.com box score says "rest." It's a long season, but it's a much more grueling off-season.
- Will Bynum did not dress due to a right knee strain.
- Chris Wilcox during CV ejection?
- Box score
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This is an interesting point of the season
For Charlie to decide to not be a total bitch.
by Grant E. on Apr 11, 2011 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I know, right?
If Kevin Garnett’s high brow insults of cancerous nature weren’t enough to get Chunky Charlie going, you have to wonder what Hollins said to him.
by Rob Rogacki on Apr 11, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Mr. Villaneuva! I have noticed since, due to your signing to the basqueteball team the Detroit Pistons, your efficiency has fallen and you will not rebound in a fashion that would lead some to believe that once upon a merry time, in the days of our upbringing, an errant hoopball fell upon your hairless pate and caused you a great amount of cranial pain. I sometimes wonder if your genitalia too are afflicted with the alopeica that makes you resemble a faced carved out stone without any aesthetic value, an Easter Island head minus the pacific ocean and sand that leads children to frolic upon those yonder beaches!”
WORD PLAY
by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 12, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
A quick temper will make a fool of you soon enough.
But maybe not as soon as some of us might have hoped.
Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water... Be water my friend.
by TheyCallMeBruceLee on Apr 12, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I really don't find this funny at all
As much as I don’t want to see charlie in the pistons future, not unlike 90 percent of the current makeup, the way hollins reacted to the situation and the punk smile and satisfaction he seemed to get out of it, I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest charlie had a good reason to go after his punk ass. He snapped, so what. It happens sometimes and in charlies case I really don’t think the reason was too far fetched.
Joe will never admit he's wrong and apparently doesn't care for anyone's opinion. #smugsob
by Roll The Dyess on Apr 12, 2011 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah, I agree. I’d have snapped on his ass.
WORD PLAY
by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 12, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
However, getting tangled up is one thing. He shouldn’t have ran back out on the court. That was dumb.
WORD PLAY
by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 12, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember Zinadine Zidane?
Joe will never admit he's wrong and apparently doesn't care for anyone's opinion. #smugsob
by Roll The Dyess on Apr 12, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but didn’t Zidane’s sister get insulted? That’s something I could get behind. But if Ryan Hollins just said, “Hey Villaneuva, you suck.” then prove him other wise by outplaying him.
Kevin Garnett made fun of an impairment he has. That’s a PERFECT reason to beat a dude down. Shoot at that actor like a movie director.
WORD PLAY
by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 12, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We don’t know exactly what Hollins said. Maybe he said something else earlier in the game.
I didn’t see the attempted crotch shot from Charlie tho. Head butting is bad ass, but junk punch is pretty damn embarrassing.
The other D. Will
by Roll The Dyess on Apr 12, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck that.
I will punch a junk without any internal reservations if I think there is a good possibility that the alternative is me getting my ass kicked. Survival of the fucking fittest.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I won a cafeteria fight in 5th grade off of a kick to the groin
and I’d do it again. Nobody takes my batman cards
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
by Skylar on Apr 13, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I was a scrappy youngin too, I had to be.
My pimp hand was feared in middle school. I once backhanded my best friend so hard it made his nose bleed. Dude started it. The funny thing is, we both went to the principal’s office, and my friend made up this BEAUTIFUL story about how we were playing a game that involved smacking each other in the face and it just went wrong, and she bought it, wholesale.
Also, when I was in sixth grade, I was chubby and shit, pretty awkward. I went to a friends house for a sleepover and his older brother kept giving me hell. Finally, I told him, “You do that again, and I’m going to punch you in the face.” Well, whatever he did, he did it again, and sure enough, I clocked him.
That story isn’t that interesting until you realize that the guy was probably three years older than all of us and that when I served him at McDonalds six years later, he was jacked.
WORD PLAY
by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 14, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, Biz, Wassup?
You holdin’ and not sharin’ again? Not cool, my man, not cool.
Just Vpinion
by V. on Apr 12, 2011 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions
“Your screens, sir, are inadequate and lackadaisical. Furthermore, I am inclined to believe your rate of retrieval of basketballs resulting from failed field goal attempts is substandard, and I challenge you to fisticuffs based on this assumption. I will now abrade your face and then attempt to rain blows down upon you. En garde!”
by JoeDip on Apr 12, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Wait, Charlie was waiting in the loading dock ready to kill someone?
Rasheed would be proud!
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Apr 11, 2011 11:51 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
It's my fault, I put a bunch of old Ice Cube CDs in his American Tourister bag.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
by Skylar on Apr 11, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know what's more menacing
the scary black guys or all that old skool 70s wood paneling
just EPINION
R.I.P. early 90s Cube, I weep for you daily
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
this is the best post
of the entire season.
Why is Cypress HIll hanging out at Ice Cube's Aunt's place?
by Kevin Sawyer on Apr 12, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I could talk for days about this
but Cube alienated nearly everyone around him during that era. He lied to and stole from some really talented people who put their faith in him. He’s a fraud.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
MC Ren is in the shriners.
No, not really.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Ryan Hollins is a dick
Look at the way he was jawing at Chuckie Finster. Yes, that is my nickname for Charlie Villaneuva. I already call Chris Bosh Reptar.
WORD PLAY
by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 12, 2011 12:11 AM EDT reply actions
He does a really nice Kevin Garnett impression.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Anyone See The Gores Interview On Channel 7 Tonight?
Interesting. I’m going to hold my judgment, but there were some interesting things about the interview:
1) I get the head tilting now. His face is asymmetrical. His right side looks better than his left.
2) He used the word “impactul”. Not sure what that means, I just hope it’s not related to the word “bebounds”.
3) He’s got the 48hr stubble thing going. Very styling. More Cubes and a younger Buss than Sterling. Favorable, IMHO. You can’t party like that in the stands when your team is winning 30 games a year.
4) He said he wanted to make Bill Davidson proud that he bought the franchise. My old man knew Mr. D for close to 50 years, and will tell you what a mensch he was. If Gores can be half the owner Davidson was, or even half the man, we’ll be fine.
Just Vpinion
by V. on Apr 12, 2011 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I like how the Cavs announcer completely neglect that Hollins is supposed to go around a screen, not push the screener several feet backwards. Obviously that doesn’t excuse Charlie’s actions.
Upon further examination...
the ESPN replay has it look like Charlie is trying to punch Hollins in the groin. I expect Villanueva to be suspended for the rest of the season.
Charlie heard a rumor that on the Detroit Pistons you can make the salary you don’t deserve without even playing.
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Charlie heard arumorroomer that on the Detroit Pistons you can make the salary you don’t deserve without even playing.
I think its a little more than a rumor with all the suspensions this season
Deeeeeee-pressing Basketball!
I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once,
but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.
And the man who randomly goes to the face rake during a basketball game.
Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water... Be water my friend.
by TheyCallMeBruceLee on Apr 12, 2011 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Cavaliers are a goo roa team
The Cavs have 7 roa wins! etroit i the best they can but it was just too much Clevelan.
Both teams playe har, especially on efense.
by joejoejoe on Apr 12, 2011 2:06 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
that was embarrassing
and pathetic. i lost what little respect i ever had for villanueva. dude has no mental toughness and his actions tonight were a disgrace to the team.
by RoscoeJacksonJr on Apr 12, 2011 4:29 AM EDT reply actions
The whole thing was bizarre
Of all the Pistons to go completely nuts, I never would have guessed it would have been CV. Actually, I can’t think of any of them likely to go that nuts, but even still, CV wouldn’t have been my first or second pick, if I had to guess.
That incident overshadows how truly godawful the Pistons were and are on defense. I know it’s a meaningless game with a few players missing, but still, letting the Cavs light you up like they did is mortifying.
I lost any little bit of respect for Charlie V I had last night. No doubt, some will compare him to the Bad Boys of old, but I see two key differences.
First, the Bad Boys were actually genuine, authentic bad asses.
Second, the Bad Boys began with tough defense, protecting the paint, and doling out punishment when someone invaded that space (yeah, okay, there were some exceptions).
What Charlie did was take a cheap shot, then act like a juvenile. I hope he’s suspended for the remainder of this season and into next year. Through and through, he’s an embarrassment to this franchise. Hopefully, Gores recognizes this and mandates he’s traded.
by brgulker on Apr 12, 2011 9:32 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Hopefully, Gores recognizes this
Gores could have been seated in the parking lot and still seen CV’s behavior on the court. With a front row view of things I wonder what Gores was thinking when CV was shouting “I’m going to kill that dude”.
Deeeeeee-pressing Basketball!
“Clearly, this is the heart and passion this team needs more of. Dumars! Get this man an extension ASAP!”
“Y-y-y-y-yes sir!”
Collective Piston fanbase:
And yes, we all have blue hair.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Apr 12, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, Villanueva will at least have some level of my respect.
For grabbing Anderson Varejao by the face and throwing his sorry ass to the ground a.k.a. doing what everyone in the league wants to do on a nightly basis.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Apr 12, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know..
when you compare the infamous Ray Allen elbow and/or the D-Wade demolishing to CV’s altercation it just doesn’t hold any weight.
Deeeeeee-pressing Basketball!
Notice how elbowing Varejao in the groin has no effect?
I think we all know what that means, right?
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Apr 12, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Red panda crotch sounds like a really bad VD you get overseas.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Apr 12, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
the best part of wade's
was that his momentum was carrying him left of the basket but he stopped and turned right so that he could step over varejao’s corpse.
Actually, CV Is Talented
But he definitely lacks maturity. I don’t get the Twitter deal, but it seems to me like grown men playing sports don’t use it. (I could be wrong) . Tweeting during a game, no matter what you think of so-called social networking, shows lack of focus to me.
Also, I could see CV being effective in certain situations-he’s not a starter, he’s a rotation player, a 3-ball specialist. His defense and rebounding did improve at the start of last year, but regressed since, say, the 30-35-game mark.
Part of the problem with this year’s squad is the poor chemistry, leading to a toxic locker room. For that reason, I’m sort of inclined to give the younger players a pass, because the vets have been acting like children for the most part, because when it was clear Dumars had no authority to ship players out of town, they acted like they were on vacation of something. OTOH, you see guys like Monroe, who avoided this mess, and then you think, maybe ship them all out of town.
Just Vpinion
I don’t get the Twitter deal, but it seems to me like grown men playing sports don’t use it. (I could be wrong).
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Apr 13, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
To add to that.
I don’t use Twitter, but I love the concept. I love the fact that athletes can bypass standard media to directly communicate with the fans. Avoid canned questions and responses and let us in our their real lives.
Some can take it too far (Stephon Marbury comes to mind), but for the most part anything that isn’t tainted by Stern and the league is fine by me.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Apr 13, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
And to continue once more:
The workers at Mrs. Fields gave me a free slice of cookie cake. #ftw
Hell yes. I fucking love cookie cake.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Apr 13, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I would rather have Terry Mills than Charlie Villanueva. That’s saying something.
This season, Charlie proved to me that he has no interest — in a very literal sense — in doing anything other than shoot the basketball. If he’s playing anything more than a niche role, you’re in trouble.
I rec’d. I think its totally understandable to get tangled up and throw some shots back and forth. However, the situation was defused by the time that Villanueva ran back out on the court, and that could have easily became a disaster.
WORD PLAY
by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 12, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions
The only thing I could think of while watching the video was Vanilla Ice freaking out on MTV
I bet one of the older heads on the bench like Rip or Tayshaun where resisting the temptation to scream “VANILLA, NO!”
WORD PLAY
by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 12, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions
Granted, it is a funny pcture and a great response to Biz
But can we PLEASE agree to never again sho that photo? It makes my soul hurt. I hope I never again have to acknowlege that that ever happened.
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
Agreed. Damn. It hurts. So bad.
WORD PLAY
by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 12, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
One day we will look at that picture, and say "Can you believe we watched that team?"
And the bandwagon-ass cats will be all like “Is that Tracy McGrady? when did he play for the Pistons? I just started cheering when I saw Jonas and Greg on the cover of GQ for their ‘Most handsome champions of any sport, ever’ issue”
by tads on Apr 12, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
It's ironic that everyone around them is wearing the same colors they are
..because they easily could’ve been playing for the other team that night.
Pricks.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
That 76ers dude on the far left is the best. Just staring them down, probably thinking they’re dicks.
by garrettelliott on Apr 12, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If this were Baseball
Jerebko would pretty much be obligated to randomly jump kick Luke Harangody during the first matchup next season.
omg omg ogm
this article starts with a paraphrase of “no sugarcoat”
What does this mean?
just EPINION
You can’t sugarcoat it — Ben Gordon is one game away from completing the worse season of his career.
Rec’d for “worse.”
by Grant E. on Apr 12, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Vince Ellis : coachDP :: Bruce Wayne : Batman
by -PS- on Apr 12, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Gotta love the WWF face rake
The Pistons are in a sad state right now, but I gotta agree with Kriz, that was funny to watch.
Man, how much of the team can we hope is traded in one season?
by FunkyDonut on Apr 12, 2011 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's the [insert salary-cap busting number of dollars here] question, isn't it?
We all want to “clean house” and trade everyone except Monroe, Jerebko, and mabye Daye. But trades in the NBA don’t work that way: they typically involve moving three players at most. And while that would be a start, most of the players folks here would most like to shed have really problematic contracts.
I wonder what the record is for the most number of players a team has gotten rid of in an off-season / from the off-season through the trading deadline / in a year.
We should be able to move the following players this off-season
Maxiell
CV
Ben Gordon
There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn’t be able to find another team to take one of these players. Hell, maybe Cleveland would want BG for that player exception without us having to give up a draft pick as well?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
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