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Any scouting report must start with Biyombo's dimensions, which are downright freakish. He measured a 7-7 wingspan (which would rank fifth longest in our expansive database) at the Nike Hoop Summit, despite standing just 6-7 ¾ without shoes. No player of record has ever measured a wingspan that is nearly 12 inches longer than his actual height—the closest is Jason Maxiell, who is 6-5 without shoes with a 7-3 ¼ wingspan. He also sports a chiseled 243-pound frame (4.8% body fat) that he should have no problem putting additional weight onto.

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What makes Biyombo so interesting, though, is his willingness to utilize his physical tools. He plays the game with incredible emotion (think Joakim Noah or Kevin Garnett), often putting opposing players and teammates in harm's way with his desire to make his presence felt. He competes on every possession, often to the point of physical exhaustion, something that will need to be honed. Still, it's an extremely desirable trait in a prospect.

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Once he catches the ball in the paint, Biyombo usually has one thing on his mind: dunk. He can take off from incredible distances (well outside the restricted area) and still finish plays because of his sheer length and explosiveness. He absolutely crushes the rim any opportunity he gets.

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Once he catches the ball in the paint, Biyombo usually has one thing on his mind: dunk.

by -PS- on Apr 18, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

WANT

I would be fully happy taking this young man 7th. In fact if we were to wind up with the number 2 draft pick, I’d take him there.

It's gonna take a lot of fireworks to clean this place up.

by Shinons on Apr 18, 2011 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

This seems relevant
Crespo says he took Biyombo to a specialist to conduct a bone age study immediately upon his arrival in Spain (Biyombo was reportedly 16). The study, as explained here involves taking x-rays of an adolescent’s wrist and hand to see if his growth plates are still open. Because the cartilage in Biyombo’s hand hadn’t fused at that point, the specialist came to the conclusion that he could be 16 or 17 at most, but not 18, when growth plates are expected to be closed.

by tads on Apr 18, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Cannot... continue... to fight...

losing… battle against… machine of hype… seriously considering saying “fuck it” and throwing all caution to the wind and agreeing that dude must be drafted 7th.

Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.

by Mike Payne on Apr 18, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

yoooooou know you want to...

Ben Wallace approves this prospect.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Apr 18, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would agree with you if this draft didn’t suck so bad. I say we trade the pick with one of our bad contracts. Seriously.

by brgulker on Apr 18, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mentioned precisely that in another thread. What i’d really prefer is for Kemba Walker to fall to us at 7, we draft him and trade him and a bad contract to a guard-weak team with a lower pick who can select Biyombo.

Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.

by Mike Payne on Apr 18, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was probably subconsciously plagiarizing you, lol.

by brgulker on Apr 19, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kays’d!

Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.

by Mike Payne on Apr 19, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harrison Barnes is returning to school

With Sullinger and Jones going back to school too Biyombo may not be available at the 7th pick.

I hope we can draft some one from this group of guys; Biyombo, Irving, Williams, Jonas, Kanter.

by Stones1981 on Apr 18, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m erect. Oh my God. This is the dude we need.

WORD PLAY

by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 18, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll play Debbie Downer

How exactly is he different than Jason Maxiell, other than his wingspan? And at least Maxiell was a known product- we knew what he was capable of over a several seasons in college. Bismack has played a handful of games and looked good doing it, but Max has had many more games where he looked good. How is he different?

With that said, I still think he is probably our best option at #7.

"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS

by bugman222 on Apr 18, 2011 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

How is he different?

#He’s not fat and lazy yet
#We’re not going to be paying him 5 million next year.
#Maxiell was in an actual draft, not this shit-show of a draft where the lockout is scaring away a lot of candidates, and turning late first rounders into lottery fodder.
#He’s also 2 inches taller and has a 2 inch longer wingspan.

by tads on Apr 18, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

  1. Biyombo’s wingspan is 4 inches longer than Maxiell, not 2 inches.

by -PS- on Apr 18, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two inches can make a significant difference.

by brgulker on Apr 18, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's gonna take a lot of fireworks to clean this place up.

by Shinons on Apr 18, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

correction...according to DraftExpress, Biyombo is 2+ inches taller, sports a 4 inch longer wingspan and reach.

Unfortunately, data on Maxiell’s vertical, body fat %, etc. are not available.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Apr 18, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be debbie downer, be Ulysses Upper!

Man…not a lot of U names to choose from to complete that alliterative statement. But in all seriousness, I see the following as being significant differences:

1) Maxiell is fucking 6’5" tall! WHAT THE HELL WERE WE DOING DRAFTING A 6’5" PF??? Sure with shoes bla bla bla. That said, 2+ inches does make a considerable difference whe playing in the post

2) Maxiell could not nor should not ever be described as “Chiseled”. While Maxiell has hops, he does so with lots of extra weight on his frame and my guess is his body fat % is considerably higher than Biyombo’s 4.8%

3) Maxiell while enjoying the benefits that slam dunk shots bring, has never played so hard as to get himself to physical exhaustion.

4) Biyombo strikes me as a guy who will influence his team to play just as hard as he does, in a similar fashion to Jerebko but with greater potential for locker room leadership. Despite being 18 and a relative unknown, he was the one who kept the International team at the Nike Hoops Summit together which was one reason why people questioned his age in the first place. Essentially, he’s too mature to be legitimately 18/19 which is kind of hilarious in itself. Maxiell on the other hand, has never influenced any of the players on the Pistons to do anything outside of maybe posting on twitter.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Apr 18, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, yes, yes, and yes. DO IT JOD! DO IT GORES!

by -PS- on Apr 18, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maxiell is also a poor defender

and defense appears to be Biyombo’s focus.

Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.

by Mike Payne on Apr 18, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Biyombo a good defender

or is he simply good at blocking shots in a dramatic fashion? Cause even Maxiell is good at that (or at least used to be).

Please keep in mind that I say this with no knowledge of Biyombo outside of what I’ve read here. I’m simply playing devil’s advocate.

"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS

by bugman222 on Apr 18, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would also like to know

Is he just a lot bigger/more athletic than his current competition and have a nose for the ball, or does he actually have good defensive fundamentals?

I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short

by bearded thundar on Apr 18, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m only operating off of hearsay, what is available in scouting reports and the video of the Nike Hoops Summit. There isn’t enough data to provide a statistical basis for analyzing his defense other than the shot-blocking, which of course isn’t enough to say he’s a good defender.

From the article this FanShot links to:

With that said, defensive ability is the area of Biyombo’s game where NBA teams see the most potential — both in the short and long term.

He has the size, length and mobility to guard both power forwards and centers in today’s NBA, particularly as he adds weight. He can step out and hedge screens effectively on the pick-and-roll and is tough and aggressive enough to hold his own in the paint against most back-to-the-basket players.

Despite his lack of experience, Biyombo already makes a huge impact in the ACB defensively, especially as a weak-side shot blocker. He shows great timing and can send back shots with either hand, often managing to keep the ball in bounds, which is a huge plus.

When he’s not rotating to block or alter shots around the rim, Biyombo does a good job in man-to-man settings as well. He shows surprisingly strong fundamentals and is active in talking to his teammates. His wingspan is extremely bothersome here too. He can contest shots from great distances and he makes it difficult to get good looks, He’s a real nuisance with his ability to reach out and poke balls away from behind as well.

Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.

by Mike Payne on Apr 18, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

There isn’t enough data to provide a statistical basis for analyzing his defense other than the shot-blocking, which of course isn’t enough to say he’s a good defender.

Perusing the Defensive Player of the Year voting, and it would appear that there are a few sportswriters who would disagree with your assessment. Three (3!) writers gave votes to JaVale McGee. Double-u. Tee. Eff.

by Grant E. on Apr 18, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

it would appear that there are a few sportswriters who would disagree with your assessment can kiss my ass

Agreed. Silly, retarded ass bullshit.

Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.

by Mike Payne on Apr 18, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maxiel's defence

I would argue Maxiell is a good defender, I’ve seen him to some amazing things stopping taller players in the paint. The problem is Maxiell has absolutely no lateral movement and cannot cover people in the open court. Plus his height means he is often overpowered by taller players and sometimes looks bad there as well. But if you need someone to stop a Corliss Williamson (Rick Fox, sit down, you cannot cover Corliss) Maxeill is your man. The bigger problem with Maxiell is lesser players with greater height outrebound him and his offence has deteriorated to the point that he makes Big Ben look like a force on offence.

by gordbrown on Apr 19, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

for “to”

Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.

by Mike Payne on Apr 19, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rebound rate?

Maxiell is a below average rebounder for his size and athleticism.

by joejoejoe on Apr 18, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

But above average baby eater for any size

I love Max. I just wish we saw more of the low center of gravity post defense we saw against Dwight Howard a few years ago and less of the leave your man to go for the block defense we’ve seen ever since.

by joejoejoe on Apr 18, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just wish we saw more consistency. When he was getting minutes and had a steady part in the rotation he seemed ready to break out and be our energy guy off the bench. Now he’s pretty much forgotten. Except for that game winning steal and slam that one time. That was awesome.

by garrettelliott on Apr 18, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

My rebuttal is the first minute of this.

It's gonna take a lot of fireworks to clean this place up.

by Shinons on Apr 18, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I'm a Maxiell fan

I think that 15-20 minutes of baby-eatingness per night gives us an important element – but I think he was mishandled even more than anyone else in this Kuesterfuck of a season.

But the things that Bismack does in that minute…woo wee. The explosiveness, quickness, those are some rare physical gifts. The block on the fast break at :52 is just amazing – takes off from outside the circle, blocks it with his weak hand, and keeps the ball in play so his team maintains possession. I know you were one of the early riders of the Bismack bandwagon, but don’t sip on that kongolaid – chug that shit!

It's gonna take a lot of fireworks to clean this place up.

by Shinons on Apr 18, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meteor smash?

I heard he jumped from the half court line to throw that Captain Falcon knee.

by JoeDip on Apr 18, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Falcon...PUHHHHHNCH!

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Apr 18, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

this picture

is a keg of congoolaid.

the only way I wouldn’t take Biyombo is if we got Derrick Williams or Kyrie Irving. Then I’d try to trade anybody for Biyombo.

We don’t need a ballhandling big man in the high post. We’ve already got Monroe. All we need is defense and dunks off of Monroes passes.

Here’s another article comparing the internationals in this draft-
http://getbuckets.fantake.com/2011/04/17/international-prospects-saving-the-2011-draft/
Jonas Valuncianas is the only big comparable to Biyombo, and has a much better skillset offensively. But I’d still take Biyombo because Biyombo has more potential as a defensive stopper. In other words, he could neutralize a scoring big man, and that’s what we really need.
We can get a talented post-game big man in the 2nd round aka Keith Benson, and put 20 pounds on him, and he’d be servicable. But you couldn’t replace Biyombo.
I still like Enes but they say his defense is weak. That’s the last thing we need in the paint. And since there is only 1 ball on the court at a time, we need somebody to complement our scoring/passing big man with the ball in his hands Monroe.
Biyombo- happy
Jonas – satisfied
Enes – cool, but we definitely need a shot blocker like Keith Benson

by victor_e on Apr 18, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valuncianas is supposed to be really athletic also

Not the shotblocker and is probably too small to be a good man-man defender atm, but just look at the efficiency numbers. If he’s available, I would have a tough time going with anyone else except Irving

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jonas-Valanciunas-5622/stats/

I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short

by bearded thundar on Apr 18, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valanciunas has a big downside because some say he won't come over

That said, we should get him anyways, especially if we are going into a lockout shortened season.

by tads on Apr 18, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

My only questions are with his ability to add mass, but Monroe seems to be handling the 5 just fine

I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short

by bearded thundar on Apr 18, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found his niche

it’s on the Pistons…

Anothe tasty flavor in the congolaid is the fact that even beyond his physical ablities and energy he ALSO is a defensive talker and a vocal leader. That is a gift of personality that cannot be overvalued. Most elite defenders also raise their teammates level of defense with their talk – Payton, Garnett, Howard, Noah, Sheed…

So with Biyombo we could potentially have Ben Wallace + Rasheed Wallace – age – bad attitude and constant arguing with the refs.

If that’s not Pistons basketball then I don’t know what is

by victor_e on Apr 19, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perry Jones = Rasheed Wallace.

WORD PLAY

by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 19, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

A question for DBB scholars—

Our heartthrob’s ACB jersey reads “Bismack” on the back, above his uniform number. Is it typical for ACB teams to use given names (rather than family names) on player jerseys? Or is this a Congolese practice? Or do Congolese folks order their names differently, like many East Asians (where the family name comes first, followed by given names)? I’m curious!

by -PS- on Apr 18, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Me no scholar

But in the interview I link to below he gives his name as Biyombo Bismack.

by joejoejoe on Apr 18, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This Kind Of Reminds Me...

If I were 20 years old, and had the chance to play in Barcelona or Minneapolis for roughly the same amount of money, I mean, it’s not even close. Even if BCN weren’t my home.

Ricky will make it over here in a year or two. Not sure how it’s going to work out for him, if he can develop a shooting touch, he’ll be ok . Big if though..

Just Vpinion

by V. on Apr 21, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah seriously...I mean there are a few hot chicks in Minnesota...but there are a RIDICULOUS number of hot chicks in Barcelona.

Not even close. He’ll play in Minny for at most, 1 year. And I’ll be surprised if he plays for them at all.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Apr 21, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Having Spent A Great Deal Of Time In BCN InThe '90s

I sadly conclude I never spent enough. Let me put it this way…when I had operations in Spain and France, I intentionally based them out of BCN (didn’t care for MAD) and just commuted to the locations even though we had nothing going on in BCN .

Not only it’s a stupid #, but it’s an internationally stupid #. My favorite one was Brazilian and Japanese.

If we become a totally fascist state politically, chances are I’m heading over there for good. Either there or Marbella. I love Asia, but Tokyo is too expensive and radioactive for me right now, and I get bored with Bangkok after two weeks. If BKK cleans up it’s act environmentally..maybe.

There are two Hiltons in BCN, the old one (3.5*) is solid, excellent staff, great location on Diagonal. The new one is awesome (4.5*), by the mall and casino, it’s a great mall, but it’s still a mall. In aperfect world, the new one would be located where the old one is.

Umm… como se dice “you betcha” en espanyol? lolololol…

Just Vpinion

by V. on Apr 21, 2011 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shame You've Never Been There

..and c’mon, I’m from The D, man…what’s up with the stupid smoking jacket and cigar lol..

rec’d anyway…when I get done roflmaoing.

Just Vpinion

by V. on Apr 22, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to go there with gf over this spring break but we didn't get tickets in time

I also assumed that if spain was oing to be done right, it has to involve lots of wine consumption and late night partying, not but I’m probably mistaken there.

by tads on Apr 22, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec’d for debauchery. this is awesome.

Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.

by Mike Payne on Apr 22, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

¡Ai, Dios mío!

by -PS- on Apr 22, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

if your study abroad experience were baby games, that would make mine...

PATRIOT GAMES!

Not really, but there are definitely aspects that were completely left off…like the fact that the family I stayed with featured a mother name Lola who when my parents came to visit around Christmas and she found out my father was in the US news media, she explained to me in Spanish that she knew where Sadaam was hiding and that he was under a bed of serpientes (snakes). She also happened to be the separated wife of one of the most powerful bankers in all of Caceres at the time of Franco’s overthrow and subsequent coronation back in the 70s. For those of you familiar with the overthrow, one of the reasons he was able to do it successfully was that he had the backing of the federal banks in Spain and it just so happened that he was coronated in Caceres (where I studied abroad). I also left off that the hermana in my family was 19 and pregnant, and growing 6 plants that yielded illicit materials on their terrace.

Yeah my study abroad experience was pretty pretty sweet. Its also where I met my best friend from college who was the only other dude on the trip and happened to be just as bad at speaking spanish as I was. He’s the same guy who moved out to Seattle with me and drives down to Portland every year for the Pistons/Blazers matchup now that the Sonics are gone.

Fond fond memories.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Apr 24, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much kicks my experiences ass

I went on three of them, but they were all really short, 3 weeks tops. And we really didn’t have many relationships with the people there because we were in and out so quickly. I went to Africa and was packed into one of two mini buses and drove all around south africa looking at agriculture and how they grow food. Next summer I went to europe and visited schools in holland, germany, and belgium and compared them to the U.S. We were based in holland so there was a lot of weed to be had, and fresh Heineken, not the 3 month old stuff we get here. Senior year I went to Mexico and stayed with an actual family and not just with the people on my trip, and I’m not really sure what we were learning to be honest. It was over winter break so it was cool being with the people on the trip who’d rather go new places than hang out with their family.

Welcome... to the Wallace-hood

by tads on Apr 25, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post, except I’m not sure the bull feels particularly honored.

by Tom Y. on Apr 23, 2011 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s settled. I need to hit up Spain. Though, likely due to my inexperienced tongue, I’m no fan of wine, but I’d try it.

WORD PLAY

by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 23, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

If both of you are right, we can conclude that:

  • his given name is Bismack and his family name is Biyombo;
  • his ACB jersey uses his given name, not his family name; and
  • he orders his name with the family name first, followed by the given name.

Does this seem correct?

by -PS- on Apr 18, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interview with Biyombo Bismack

Here’s a recent interview with Biyombo about the NBA draft. He has a deep voice, not quite Mutumbo deep, but deep. He gives his name as Biyombo Bismack, not the other way around. He shot looks wobbly in practice but he moves GREAT around the court. He says he’s working on his shot the most but his shot selection is pretty good now. He’s shooting 56% in the Spanish Pro League. Akeem Olajuwon shot 56% at the same age as a freshman at Houston.

by joejoejoe on Apr 18, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

This proves it!

Bismack is the next Olajawon. The stats are the same. That’s math, and you can’t argue with math!!!

"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS

by bugman222 on Apr 18, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunk shots

There’s a lot to be said for knowing you can’t shoot but dunkng a lot. My point isn’t that anybody is the next Dream (probably the second best player I’ve seen). I’m old enough to remember Olajuwon in college and the early talk was ’He’s a soccer goalie! He’s an athlete!’ and that he had a lot to learn about basketball. Meanwhile he shot 56% as a freshman. The best shots are often the bad ones you don’t take and that seems to be what’s going on with Bismack, he’s playing within his limits on offense in the Spanish pro league. As a teenager.

by joejoejoe on Apr 18, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed although his scouting report, which I have memorized verbatim, does mention that at times he tries to do too much

which has led to poor passing/decision making with the ball or being too aggressive and plowing through the lane only to turn the ball over. But I think hitting the NBA would curtail this behavior considerably as would Ben Wallace.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Apr 19, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

A bit off topic

But Biyombo makes me question whether Ben Wallace did steroids at any point. Just the sheer amount of muscle he has is nearly impossible to acquire naturally even with perfect genetics (ie Bismack). Add to it that Big Ben was a body builder before he was a basketball player, and I really don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that he juiced at some point.

Of course Biyombo is still incredibly young compared to Ben Wallace, even in his prime, but still… Can you honestly name any other basketball player that even came close in physique outside of LeBron (I don’t count Shaq because he was humongous in general – fat too – and had a bigger frame than Big Ben)? Maybe David Robinson came close, but he was no “Body”

I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short

by bearded thundar on Apr 18, 2011 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20Detroit%20Pistons/Ben%20Wallace/ae143d12.jpg
That’s Big Ben back before his Piston days, and he looks very natural.

http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://blog.cleveland.com/andone/2009/04/ben.jpg&sa=X&ei=_s-sTe3ROcPSgQfxkqT7Cw&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHrCQaToZXwjH4LJlAtN2iZguRLLw
That’s him posing for a magazine. I assume that he can easily curl 2x that (because I can), but its very common for professional lifters to go with light weights because the ’roids take care of the rest.

Just some food for thought. If Bismack really is the next Ben Wallace in terms of genetics, then his growth should give us keen insight on whether Body juiced or not

I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short

by bearded thundar on Apr 18, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

for saying what I’m thinking

Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.

by Mike Payne on Apr 18, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh

Read any lifting forum that talks about him, they all think he juices

I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short

by bearded thundar on Apr 18, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short

by bearded thundar on Apr 18, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read any lifting jealous bitches ladies that can get it forum that talks about him, they all think he love his juices.

WORD PLAY

by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 18, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The only way Ben juices is if every player in the NBA juices, and it is completely approved all the way up to stern

it’s possible, think about this Stern quote

e that
the WADA list of banned substances is appropriate for the NBA. The
sport of basketball emphasizes a specialized set of physical
abilities—particularly quickness, agility, and basketball skill—that
are distinct from those required in a number of other sports.
Accordingly, illicit substances that could assist athletes in strength
sports (such as weightlifting or football), power sports (such as
baseball), or endurance sports (such as cycling or marathon running)
are not likely to be of benefit to NBA players. The Subcommittee might
want to reconsider whether it is sensible to test NBA players for these
substances, or for the NBA to be required to incur the cost of such
unnecessary testing.

This is from David Stern testifying to congress in 2005, and it sounds like he asking them to leave the juicers alone. I think it started when the bulked up Birmingham baron brought baseball’s backroom practices to the bulls, and since have spread throughout the league. Stern probably knows all about it, part of me thinks these are the “”http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_labor_battle_looming_032111" >Dead Bodies" he was talking about in the all-star break. but I like conspiracies.

If that’s the case, I still think Ben would use it much less than anyone else does, just because he’s better than that.

by tads on Apr 18, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quote fail

The first sentence should read:

Third, while we believe it is important to prohibit a broad list of
steroids and performance-enhancing substances, we do not believe that
the WADA list of banned substances is appropriate for the NBA.

by tads on Apr 18, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

...and link fail

Stern probably knows all about it, part of me thinks these are the Dead Bodies he was talking about in the all-star break. but I like conspiracies.

by tads on Apr 18, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve often wondered how many guys in the league are on steroids. If baseball players use them to gain an advantage, why wouldn’t basketball players? Ben’s commitment to weight lifting is probably unparalleled, but Zo was pretty big back in the day (I think he admitted to being on stuff?) and Karl Malone was big, but not Big Ben big. LeBron and Dwight are pretty scary specimens, too.

by garrettelliott on Apr 18, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think LeBron might have used

Though Dwight looks too asthetic imo, that or he only did a light cycle or two

I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short

by bearded thundar on Apr 18, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should check out the chapter about LeBron in Chris Ballard’s “Art of a Beautiful Game”.

by garrettelliott on Apr 18, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard good things about it as a whole

I’ll check it out after friday

I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short

by bearded thundar on Apr 18, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd bet a good chunk of money Lebron uses

He looks like Bonds did during his run – giant-headed and doughy.

It's gonna take a lot of fireworks to clean this place up.

by Shinons on Apr 18, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man, if Lebron got caught using steroids, I’d lose my shit. I’d laugh so damn hard.

WORD PLAY

by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 19, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

with the big head. and not just as a lebron hater. it looks ALOT like bonds’ unexplainable Dome growth.

by freywagg on Apr 19, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not really aware of how drug testing has come along

But I’d like to think that he’s clean and it’s just a mixture of freakish genetics and hard work. LeBron didn’t seriously start weight training until 2009ish and OJ Mayo got caught not taking steroids but a steroid masking agent, meaning it’s not exactly easy to get away with.

by nels1 on Apr 18, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

but Big Ben was in college 18 years ago

Drug testing wasn’t very good at that time, not to mention he says he was benching 460 back then. I personally have never heard of any achieving that naturally, getting past 350 is a tremendous feat

I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short

by bearded thundar on Apr 18, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys all act like doing steroids as a body builder is unheard of

I don’t think Big Ben ever did any to get a competitive advantage in basketball, he’s got too much pride for that.

But I am 75% sure that he did at least 1 cycle as a body builder prior to becoming an NBA player. Benching 460 simply is physically impossible for someone to do naturally. I believe Mike Joseph holds the record at just shy of 200kg (or 440 pounds). If a professional power lifter can’t bench 460 naturally, why in the world would a college student be able to?

I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short

by bearded thundar on Apr 19, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Benching 460 simply is physically impossible for someone to do naturally not named Ben Wallace or Zeus De La Jackson.

Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.

by Mike Payne on Apr 19, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the record, I really don't care if Ben did steroids

Whether for bodybuilding, basketball, or experimentation with his wife’s diet pills.

It's gonna take a lot of fireworks to clean this place up.

by Shinons on Apr 19, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

From The Mailbag
Omid (East Lansing, Mich.): Chad Ford of ESPN.com has the Pistons nabbing Bismarck Biyombo in the draft unless the Pistons get a top-three pick. Does he really sound like that good of a match for the Pistons?

Langlois: NBA teams don’t have a lot to go on with Biyombo, Omid. The most recent and perhaps the most relevant chance to evaluate him came at this month’s Nike Hoop Summit in which Biyombo put up a triple-double (points, rebounds, blocks) against a talented Team USA that included 6-foot-10 Kentucky recruit Anthony Davis, who would be a strong candidate to be the No. 1 pick if he were in the 2011 draft. Biyombo did play a number of games this year after a January call-up for a team in Spain’s ACB league, considered Europe’s best, and put up decent numbers for a young player. Biyombo’s offense currently consists of put-backs and dunks and it’s tough to project just how much room he has for offensive growth, but he’s got an NBA-ready body and a 77-inch wing span that should translate well to becoming an active defender of the rim. The age question – some suspect Biyombo is older, perhaps significantly so, than his listed 18 – is one any team that weighs drafting him must answer to their satisfaction. But you can bet teams will be doing tons of leg work to thoroughly study Biyombo between now and June 23. But a Draftexpress.com story over the weekend suggested that a study of Biyombo’s skeletal features proves he’s the age he claims to be, or close to it.

Keith Langlois, meet Chad Ford. Chad is JD’s mouthpiece on the national level, you’re hie mouthpiece on the local one (unless it’s really important, then he goes to Drew Sharp). If Chad says it’s happening…it’s because JD wants Chad to say it’s happening.

With JD, you never know. Maybe it’s a clever play for one of the teams likely to draft higher than 7th to take a flyer on him, so JD can get the guy he’s really after.

But…the guy seems to be a Ben clone in a lot of ways, so you never know. Maybe JD sees that in him and really wants him, but your average GM doesn’t usually tip their hand like that. I mean. Does anyone ever know what Martin Mayhew is thinking? That’s by design, and it’s worked out pretty good for Mayhew and the Lions so far.

Just Vpinion

by V. on Apr 21, 2011 2:14 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

true that.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Apr 21, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Langlois gets Biyombo’s first name wrong. I thought it was pretty funny:

You’ll hear the names of Kemba Walker, Brandon Knight, Terrence Jones, Alec Burks, Bismarck Biyombo and perhaps Kansas’ Morris twins, Marcus and Markieff.

by Tom Y. on Apr 21, 2011 6:15 AM EDT reply actions  

No one realized a nick name would be born that day

 A nick name that would echo throughout eternity, send chills through to the very souls of warriors across the land, and lead thousands of young, beautiful women to be stricken with the vapors, or worse… the vapours.

by tads on Apr 21, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if you change your name to that, I will rec this.

It's gonna take a lot of fireworks to clean this place up.

by Shinons on Apr 21, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll do it. But only if we draft him. I ain’t rooting for no yahoo playing for the Cavs.

WORD PLAY

by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 21, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if you do it before the draft it could be good omen…

It's gonna take a lot of fireworks to clean this place up.

by Shinons on Apr 21, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I ain’t rooting for no yahoo playing for the Cavs.

Yeah, neither would I… wait, shit!

Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.

by Mike Payne on Apr 21, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

But, Ramon's Not Any Yahoo...

He’s your yahoo :).

Just Vpinion

by V. on Apr 22, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I lol'd and green'd

Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.

by Mike Payne on Apr 21, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Can Hear George Blaha Right Now...

Count that Bismarck and a foul!!!

Just Vpinion

by V. on Apr 22, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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