Build your own '12 Pistons: Fill 4 roster spots with $16M
by joejoejoe on May 20, 2011 2:01 AM EDT
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PrintThe Pistons have 9 players under contract next year and 2 draft picks that should make the roster for 11 players.
How would you spend a budget of $16M (subtract FAs, add draft salaries) to fill those 4 roster spots?
Post your own answer below:
1) Resign Tayshaun Prince, Rodney Stuckey, and/or Jonas Jerebko? Yes or no and how much money.
2) List other FAs you would like to sign for '11-12, keeping the total to no more than $16M total.
My answer and FA moves:
1) Goodbye Tayshaun. Goodbye Stuckey. Jerebko 4yrs/$8M
2) Sign Leon Powe 4yrs/$3M, Hilton Armstrong 4yrs/$3m, Marc Gasol 5yrs/$60+M
Is this realistic? I think Marc Gasol could possibly swing a bigger deal but not much. The Pistons would have to draft a PG and go into next season with Bynum as a starter and Terrico White as a backup. I like Leon Powe and think he can be a bargain front court player, Hilton Armstrong used to regularly outplay Charlie V at Uconn.
Raw speculation is kind of goofy but I thought it would be worth seeing what can be done next year with this year's budget barring a trade. If Joe Dumars resigns Prince, Stuckey and Jerebko that leaves one roster spot to fill as a FA and it's going to have to be a journeyman.
How would you spend $16M on 4 players next year?
Update: Here's the list of 2011 NBA free agents.
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or are those the only 3 who are free agents?
I thought Wilcox was a free agent too?
Piston FAs
RESTRICTED
Jonas Jerebko
Rodney Stuckey
DaJuan Summers
UNRESTRICTED
Tracy McGrady
Tayshaun Prince
Chris Wilcox
Resigning Wilcox is plausible, good point!
Good thought
but aren’t you making a giant assumption regarding the salary cap/structure/rules next year? It sounds like there is a strong possibility it might not only be lower, but also a “hard” cap, which might lead to some sort of amnesty deal. That would completely change things.
Or, if they do change the contracts to be non-guaranteed that would certainly make this much more complicated as well.
Assuming, of course, the NBA has a season next year.
by Big Z in Orlando on May 20, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions
Yes, lots of assumptions
I guess my secondary point is if you resign Prince, Stuckey and Jonas the team is going to look the same next year as this year because there will be no money left. You are adding one high pick and nothing else.
I voted $8 mil per year
Because I saw on Ralphie’s profile that’s what he voted. After losing the top pick and their chance at Irving, I think the Timberwolves are going to go after Stuckey hard and I also think Ralph slipped up on lotto day to reveal his identity: David Kahn. Remember when Kahn said that Beasley, Love, and Rasheed were basically the same player and Ralph said chris webber = Darko? And Kahn’s fondness for wordplay? CONSPIRACY!
To answer the questions, Jerebko’s in the conversation for a starting spot – he’s going to cost real money. 4 years, $20 million. I’d offer Summers back for the minimum, he’s at least cheap depth. Rest of the free agents I’m letting walk. The only free agents out there I’d want is if we are able to move Rip or Gordon to take a stab for C.J. Miles.
by Shinons* on May 20, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I disagree with the Jerebko assertion
While he is in play for a starting spot, I highly doubt any team other than the Pistons see him as a viable or potential starter. As such I don’t think the Pistons will need to pay starter money to retain Jerebko. 4 years, $16M tops. That’s what Darko gets and he’s almost as good looking as JJ so I see that as a fair deal. Ideally with a team option for the 5th year at say, $6M or thereabouts.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on May 22, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping
for an Amir-level contract, 3 years, $12M.
Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.
Does this take into account
the $4M in cap holds our three draft picks will require?
Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.
I used 2.5 million
I added $2M extra for the first round pick over the roster spot that Summers uses and added the salary of the high 2nd round pick. I didn’t count the 3rd pick. The figures I used are rough but take into account the cost of adding somebody with Greg Monroe’s salary and one second rounder.
As long as DET gets Biyombo, it doesn’t matter who the other four players are. They can bring back Iverson for all I care.
by -PS- on May 20, 2011 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I want Biyombo too
Watching Enes Kanter be the next Greg Ostertag isn’t why I follow the NBA.
I want dunk shots and bad ass defense and I will roll the dice to get it.
FA, Trades, Picks
Let Go
Wilcox – would love to keep him but I’d prefer to go big in the draft
Dajuan
Tay/TMac – keep one for a vet presence – both are good defenders and smart players
Trade for another Free Agent + Draft Pick
Rip and Maxiell (for Oden /Nene / Varejao) + Draft Pick
Keep
JJerebko – 2Mil
RStuckey – 8mill
TMac/Tay – 6 mill
Roster
Stuckey/Bynum/Isaiah Thomas
Gordon/Daye/Terrico
Jerebko / (Tay or TMac)
Monroe/Villanueva
Biyombo/(Nene or Oden or Varejao)/Benson
I’m not sure if that works financially, just my ideas
Good picks
Your post is why I made this little entry. If you keep the somewhat valuable FAs on the team already, there is no room for new FAs. You either have to trade to change the team or somehow think the same team that sucked last year won’t suck next year.
Accounting
by my math (using shamsports for salary info)…
players already under contract for next year = approximately 47 million
4 million for jonas + 800K for wrong dajuan = approximately 52 million
THIS years cap number = 58 million
that leaves 6 million with draft picks unsigned.
if the new ownership is willing to spend money, AND if next year’s system resembles the current system, I would be hoping that the pistons pay their rookies and tayshaun/tmac/wilcox, just so they get over the cap and consequently have the MLE at their disposal.
Goodbye Summers
I’d rather take a series of fliers on D-leaguers on 10 day contracts then resign Summers. His ceiling is an end of the rotation player and roster spots are too valuable to be developing those players.
I see it as we have about $47 mil under contract. roughly $3 mil for our 8th pick that puts it at $50 mil. That leaves $8 million. minus 2 roster spots under 12 so we have $6.5 million. add Stuckey’s $8.3 million cap hold to that and we have nothing.
it’s possible the MLE would be eliminated. but I doubt the cap would change much. any hard cap would be phased in over years it wouldn’t happen immediately.
So the options are pretty limited. i’d resign Jerebko and Wilcox and beg Stuckey to take the qualifying offer and call it good. Sad.
I would keep Stuckey for next year only if he plays for the qualifying offer like David Lee did in NY in 08/09. I think there is a good chance of this happening as Jod has sufficiently scared off potential suitors. Obviously, I would sign Jerebko. I would also pick up Terrico’s deal for the year to see what he might be. All other free agents can go.
Pistons 11/12
Stuckey/Bynum/Terrico
Rip/Gordon
Jerebko/Daye
Monroe/CV
Bismack/Ben/Max
Plus, the two second rounders to fill out the roster. This will be a very bad, but very young team. Continue to explore trading Rip or Gordon and develop the youngsters. Plus, dunks and blocks.
I vote we pay another team $16 mil to take CV, BG and Rip off our hands
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by bearded thundar on May 20, 2011 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Trades
If you look at how much money the PIstons have to spend and the need to resign their own young talent it’s pretty clear the team needs to make some good trades to dig out of the current mess. Neither the draft nor FAs are going to be enough to dig out of the current hole.
yes indeed, gotta trade a Wing and Maxiell
preferably Rip & Max
or CV & Max (CV plays like a wing)
but BG & Max if we have too
perfect trade
Rip & Max to Cleveland for
Varejao & #32 (I would say pick #4 if that works)
But if not, i’d settle for #32
That way Cleveland get’s there wing and 2 draft picks, a big and a small.
We get rid of our logjam, get to pick up another early 2nd rounder.
Hopefully then we could get Benson and Darius Morris/Josh Selby/Isaiah Thomas/Deandre Liggins
Monroe, Biyombo, Varejao, Benson – that’s a pretty good potential lineup of big men, Rebounds, Blocks, Passes, Dunks galore, All Big Enough.
Add a passing pg to that, and we’re a totally different team
i would
let go
Tay
Wilcox
T-mac
Summers
resign
Stuckey (21 million over 3 years)
Jerebko (12 million over 4 years, use part of the MLE)
Sign
Greg Oden (18 million over 2 years)
Taking your assumptions at face value
I’d pay $6-7M for Stuckey’s services, but I’m not passionate about doing so. We will be paying for the best years of his career, and he has shown consistent, if very gradual improvement. This year was an obvious disappointment, though, and I think somebody overpays him besides.
Jerebko $3-4M for as long as possible. I don’t think anyone overypays him.
Another two years for Wilcox would be fine by me.
Target Troy Murphy. He’s got real value if he can come back from injury. I’d also be happy to take a flier on Leon Powe.
If we let Stuckey go, I would mind taking a look at Daequan Cook.
Mostly, my goal would be to stock up on competent rotation players, see if Daye-Jerebko emerge, and see what we need to stock around Monroe and whichever of those two for 2012-2013. Use the draft to take shots on bigs (unless Kyrie Irving drops to the eight spot).
i would
let go of Wilcox T-Mac Summers, Stuckey, Tay, sign JJ to a 3-4m for atleast 4 yrs. Stuckey needs to go your only as good as your floor general. Tay has to to let JJ and AD grow up. Sorry Big Ben will retire. White ill pick up him again for a another year. Try to trade Rip and J Max. for a second round pick. Look at picking up J.R. Smith Spencer Hawes.. J.R. smith is not the best player but I think he can fit in what coach K is trying to do with the Pistons. Spencer Hawes will help Monroe moving back to the 4 spot. picking up Hawes and Smith or lets say Greg Oden would leave me with about 4m getting a point in the draft with the first pick or if a big which ever is there for the taking Jones Thompson. as my bigs. Knight Irving . and with my two second round pick if Jimmer is there get him.
So that would leave me with something like this
pg. bynum/ white/ 1st rd?/2nd?
sg Smith/ Gordon
sf JJ/Daye
pf Monroe/ CV/1st?/2nd?
C Hawes/ 2nd?/Monroe
I would rotate Monroe and JJ since JJ plays Pf pretty good coming off the bench
bynum would grow at point if a 1st rounder isnt picked up because smith is like rip but can go to the hole alot better. he would be around shooters Monroe JJ are your best defenders bynum can hold his own.
so with the 8/9 mill i spent on the two free agents i should be able to sign 3 draft picks. with the rest. and offer white a little more then his last contract if not the same. and JJ contract/with part of the mle.
I don’t think free agency is the answer. Marc Gasol won’t wind up going anywhere. I’d make a run at Dalambert. Dave Berri put up a piece saying the Pistons should pursue Dunleavy. I’d agree, at the right price (arguably, he’d be cheap given his injury history).
Frankly, I’d rather see us let Tay, McGrady, and Wilcox walk, sign Stuckey to a qualifying offer, dump bad contracts this year, and truly start rebuilding next summer.
ummm...
“Stuckey needs to go your only as good as your floor general. "
Chalmers! Kidd! It’s the NBA Finals!
can you say james dirk wade and bosh
for one chalmers has 2 of the best players in the nba and kidd has dirk, .Prove me wrong the bull had MJ great play but has b.j armstrong to dish the ball. very good but not a super star indiana had mark jackson really good floor general/coach Rocket had who. coaches generals guys that are now somewhere on a bench. sam cassell kenny smith. tony park is what a great floor general chauncy billups rondo derek fisher. NOW ASK YOURSELF DOES STUCKEY COMPARE TO ANY OF THOSE GUYS THAT WAS NAMED. ASK ANYBODY DOES STUCKEY COMPARE. The pistons do not have a super star player or players and wont. you can keep stuckey and go as far as he brought them this year and the past years he had brought them. the roster they have now is not going anywhere no time soon they all can play good but not with stuckey at point. he is not the future of the pistons
I picture you walking up to random people in the street, grabbing their shoulders firmly with both hands, and yelling, “ASK ANYBODY DOES STUCKEY COMPARE????” in their faces.
by garrettelliott on May 22, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol and they would say
what is a stuckey. can i get that at starbucks.? na but for real the pistons are in debt the roster they have dont sell tickets stuckey is a ok player but not good enough to be in detroit for another 4 or 5 years. they need to sell tickets and win games and as a gm i know that the first question i would ask my self. if i had a flashy star ya keep stuckey because he is ok and a safe bet. but they dont and wont have a star that will bring people to watch him play. so what next i can fill the seats again by having a winning season. and the roster we have now what would be different the new year. Biyombo? it will take him 3 years before he develops to bring people to come see him play. and since stuckey has not put a team on his back and won games let him go bring in a bunch of fresh faces that can produce some.
This is what we should do:
Leaving: Tayshaun, McGrady, Summers
Staying: Jerebko, Stuckey, Wilcox
Jerebko: 4 years, $16M – 5th year team option at $6.5M
Stuckey: 3 years, $20M – 4th year team option at $8M
Wilcox: 2 years, $5M
New acquisitions:
Shane Battier – MLE
New team without trades:
Stuckey/Bynum
Hamilton/Gordon/White
Battier/Daye
Monroe/Jerebko
Biyombo/Wilcox/Wallace
Future all-stars: Stuckey, Biyombo, Monroe, Daye
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
My Turn
Leaving: Tayshaun, McGrady, Summers, Stuckey, Wilcox
Staying: Jerebko
Jerebko: 3 years, $12M
New Acquisitions:
None
Draft Picks:
#8: Biyombo (if available)
#33: Keith Benson (if not available, Jeremy Tyler, if not available, Norris Cole)
#52: Eh, doesn’t really matter
New team without trades:
Bynum/White
Hamilton/Gordon/White
Jerebko/Daye
Monroe/Villanueva
Biyombo/Monroe/Wallace
Win: 28 games
Draft: 4th pick overall 2012
Trade: Hamilton, Gordon, Villanueva
2012-13 NBA Season, begin moving the fuck on up and taking names.
Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.
Totally. That roster won’t be easy to watch in 2011-12, but the youth development and trade watch will make it a lot more bearable than this season. I mentioned this a while back, but if we can move Rip (which is increasingly possible), then we can Free Gordon and give dude 15, 16+ shots a night. Watch his shooting efficiency and scoring totals rise, watch his market value rise as a result.
If there’s some way we can move Rip this summer (I plan on outlining a few opportunities in a dedicated post soon), our focus should be to give Gordon plenty of burn in an attempt to move him to a playoff team that needs a scoring punch by February. Think New Orleans, a Boston team close to losing Ray Allen, Indiana potentially w/o Granger, etc.
If that amnesty clause arrives, we could be in even better positioning, and soon. The prospect of starting 2012-13 w/o Hamilton and Gordon is quite plausible.
Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.
Yeah...I still think I'd rather move Gordon first if its possible.
I simply don’t want a 6’3" shooting guard on our team. In today’s NBA I’d say that a 6’3" starting shooting guard is just as detrimental to both your interior and perimeter defense as having Al Jefferson anchoring your post D is or having D’Antoni as your coach.
For that reason and the fact that rip would only be around for one more season, I’d see if we can move BG first. At least Rip at his older age has long finger nails and a veteran wilyness on defense. The offesne of course would have to change. rip would need to understand (like this would ever happen) that now that Tay ain’t around, he shouldn’t expect to be our #1 or even #2 scoring option (goes to Monroe + Stuckey/Daye)
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on May 23, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
MP...I disagree with regards to #52
Isiah Thomas should be falling right around there and while people are all down on him because he was the second shortest at the combine, he’s actually still the same height as CP3 with a slightly longer than average wingspan. He had a better than 2:1 assist to turnover ratio and was able to keep his nose clean playing on a team that featured drug smokers and alleged statuatory rapists.
Would it be a bit much drafting another guy named Isiah Thomas to the Pistons? Maybe…but what if the name holds more power than the man? Wouldn’t we look foolish passing on a guy like that?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on May 23, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmmm
I don’t see JJ as a $4M/yr player, more like $2.5-3M/yr, remember Achilles injuries are difficult to come back from. I can see a 3 year deal for a lot less than 4M, maybe with a player option for the 3d year.
If Dumars really had Rip dealt three times during the KD regime, I see no reason why he can’t deal him a fourth time, and be successful doing it. Peddling Rip successfully probably means Stuckey stays.
The real problem is that with the exception of Monroe, you really have no elite-potential talent on the team. The chemistry should be a lot better next year, but 35 wins is optimistic right now, let alone 41.
I wonder if Memphis can keep M Gasol. While the consensus is that he’s not a $10M/yr player, someone will offer it to him. It probably won’t be us. A frontcourt of Gasol, Monroe and JJ would be intriguing.
Until Stuckey fired his agent, again, I thought he might be worth keeping. For all the flaws in his game, it hasn’t stopped developing yet. This is a pretty tough decision, IMHO.
As for the draft, who knows? I’m ok with either Kanter or Biyombo, but remember, both are raw, and both likely gone by the time we pick.
Just Vpinion
I don’t see JJ as a $4M/yr player, more like $2.5-3M/yr,
Are you kidding me? At his worst, he’s a 6th – 7th man who can backup both the 3 and 4 depending on matchups. If he’s healthy, he’s worth the full mid-level to plenty of teams. You’re saying he’s worth Will Bynum money, and that’s just silly.
And I’m not being biased either. Without question, he’s rotation-caliber, and he can play two positions.
You absolutely have to take a flier on Jerebko
Regardless of his injury. $12/3 was the same good faith gesture we extended to Amir Johnson a few years back. Jonas is deserving of roughly the same, and as you said he’d command more if he played through his sophomore season. I’d say we should put $12/3 on the table and let Kander sign off on his health.
Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.
Two Issues
1) Achilles tears frequently are career enders for pro athletes. Now, it was a partial tear, which mitigates thing somewhat, but makes me wonder about…
2) How much of his lift will be impacted? If JJ can’t jump as well or as high as he used to, then things he brings to the table, most notably offensive rebounding,. are impacted.
So, if healthy…12, maybe 13.5M over 3 years, or maybe something like 18M over 4. It’s just that I have some doubt that he can come back all the way. We’ll see what the market brings, hopefully, soon enough.
Just Vpinion
No Issues
re-read where I said: “I’d say we should put $12/3 on the table and let Kander sign off on his health.”
Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.
Not to mention he sells tickets...
I think this is probably the biggest reason why the Pistons had to borrow money to cover operating expenses this year. Without Jerebko playing, attendance among the key 15-75 year old female demographic was significantly impacted.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on May 23, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
· Bring Jerebko back.
· Let Prince, Stuckey, McGrady, Wilcox and Summers walk.
· Stay away from free agents. I’d be willing to look at Oden if the bidding doesn’t get too high, but that’s about it.
· Move Hamilton at some point. Virtually anything in return will suffice.
· Frame Charlie Villanueva for a murder.
by Grant E. on May 22, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Why does everyone want Oden?
Dude is not going to make in the NBA. He’s played the equivalent of 1 season, and he’s been in the league for 4 years. If you’ve only played 25% of your games in your first four seasons, it’s not worth it unless its a vet’s min contract.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on May 22, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
He'll probably never make it in this league.
I would be willing to roll the dice on him at the right price because the Pistons employ Arnie Kander. If anybody can get Oden healthy, I suspect that it would be Arnie. Oden will probably keep getting chances in the league because there’s such a dearth of big men and he showed so much promise in that NCAA Championship Game. That said, I had it in my mind that Oden was an UFA, but he’s a RFA. Portland’s qualifying offer will be more than I would be willing to invest in him.
yeah for arnie
and the qualifying offer is 8.8 mil, and i would be willing to do 18 mil for 2 years (maybe a player option for a third at 5 mil?)
by mgoblue4ever on May 22, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Why the fuck would you do that?
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on May 22, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah that absolutely crazy...right after offering Oden that deal...
he’s probably signing Stuckey to a 5 year, $55M deal with a player option for year 6.
And correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t only the Blazers have to give him the qualifying offer? He’s a restricted free agent so if no one makes a play for him, then the Blazers would have to pay him the $8.8 to retain, correct?
If this is the case, then the Blazers are probably dying for someont to make a low ball offer just so they can match and get him back for far less than the qualifying offer.
But this is just another example of whats currently fucked in the CBA if Oden is more or less guaranteed $8.8M this year simply because he was the 1st overall draft pick. This is where you’d think all of the guys worth rougly the MLE in this league would come to the table and say, “Ownership, you’re right. We want you guys to be able to get out of some of these albatross contracts without too much damage because that means you can distribute that money across other players in this league.”
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on May 23, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn’t they just decline to make a QO and he’d be a UFA? I seem to remember that being the case with Joe Alexander not long ago.
Oh, and the point being that if he’s worth the Blazers can still keep him by signing him as a UFA that way.
Not sure but I guess if I'm Oden and my team renounces their rights to me (nullifying he QO), then I'd go elsewhere.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Portland is probably going to put in a qualifying offer.
Blazers general manager Rich Cho stated that, “The season just ended four days ago. We can’t even tender Greg a qualifying offer until the day after the Finals, and we have until June 30 to do that, and he’ll be a priority during the offseason.” He went on to say that, “As long as he’s working hard and his rehab is going well, I’m pretty sure we’ll put in a qualifying offer.”
yeah...thats what I figured
If I’m Oden though, and/or his agent, I’d seriously consider offers that netted more total income than $8.8M For example, a 2 year deal with a team option 3rd year for $5M/year with the team option pegged closer to $7M.
Portland is more interested in getting Oden for one more year with $8.8M because if he gets injured again, at the very least his salary will serve as a quality trade chip at the deadline.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
So it seems the QO system still pays Oden fair market value
since it’s worth it to Portland to pay more for the privilege of matching someone else’s offer and retaining his Bird Rights…
yeah
less than a year and he’s gone. nuts.
Jai Alai's got the bomb hops, drinkin Belgian styles from Cooperstown to Comstock.
why would you do taht?
i’ll rather sign him next year when he’s a UFA
by JC no1 pistons fan on May 23, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
2011-12
Leaving; Tmac, Prince and Summers
Staying; Stuckey, Wilcox and Jerebko
Trade Rip, Maxiell and #8 for the rights to Kryie Irving
Sign DeAndre Jordan and Spencer Hawes
Bynum, White and Irving
Stuckey, Gordon, White
Daye and Jerebko
Monroe, CV and Wilcox
Jordan, Hawes and Wallace
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