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Reasons to Get Drunk and Surly Today: Heat lose edition

As David Stern gently weeps, the world rejoices.

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From the (on) crack crew at ABC after last night's game "nobody can say Dirk is soft now. He's a top twenty player of all time."

Correct, but that was true last month.

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When life gives you lemons, draw comparisons between yourself and the guy who has a delicious papaya.

In 2008, two teams seemed to be in the same boat. A successful regular season, disappointing playoff outcome, aging veterans, the wrong coach. Both teams were written off by the media as lacking the will to win. Time to take out the dynamite and rebuild, said the media.

One GM took the media's advice to heart, and traded his best player for pennies on the dollar and cap room. The other doubled-down, got rid of bad apples, brought in some number-crunchers to wring every last bit out of a core that won 51 games in 2007-2008. 

Lesson learned, when you have a 50 win team (much less a 60 win team), you keep the dynamite at home. Mark Cuban recognized that he had a once-in-a-franchise in Dirk Nowitzki, and realized its easier to win a ring with 51-31 as your starting point.

Most sportswriters seem scarcely capable of bathing themselves. You don't let them dictate personnel decisions. You don't buy into narratives about "softness" or "lack of star power", or whatever the hell the agreement monkeys decide to agree upon.That's why YOU are a GM, and THEY are sportswriters.

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Star-divide

Off-topic, but you have to think this gives owners of non-destination franchises a leg up in negotiating rules inhibiting the sort of machinations that brought about the Heat's unholy alliance. 

Let's face it, David Stern wants to recreate the dynastic era of the 1980s and 1990s.  Right or wrong, the Heat racking up eight straight championships (or six, 'cause you know LeBron's going to take two vanity years to record a rap album and try out professional Jai-alai) would fit the bill. Sure, fans are angry at the arrogance displayed by the Heat players and their "fans" now, but winning franchises have a way of winning fans, even when they are populated by bastards.

But now, the franchise is embarrassed. Owners like Tom Gores should push for tougher rules against collusion at minimum, and possibly for cap rules that make it a bit more difficult to land three superstars at full price (or close to it).

Otherwise, a salary cap serves little purpose. 

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Has this ever happened, where even casual NBA fans so viscerally despise a team that they actively celebrate the victory of an otherwise unheralded opponent? There has always been a fair amount of Laker hate, but that seems more anti-Kobe + negative perception of Los Angeles than anything.

The only analogy that makes any sense is the Yankees. To which, it seems as though fans have a particular aversion to teams that horde talent that transcends personal attitudes toward individual players. Talent hording, even more than forms of explicit cheating, seem to generate a far more negative response among casual fans.

See, for all the Lakers' faults, they have more or less earned their success. They got a couple odd bounces (Game 6, Pau), but it's a good franchise that performs well. Casual fans like to watch them go down, but really aren't invested in it. The Lakers are a team everyone loves to hate. The Heat are a team that people hate the way they hate cancer, a hatred borne of anguish. 

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The former is good for basketball. It is good for casual fans to have a rooting interest in big games. The latter eventually erodes confidence that the sport is on the up and up. 

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Brian Cardinal? Brian Cardinal.

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I'll make one note about the Heat from a basketball perspective. The one way superstar scorers win down the stretch is either with long distance shooting (Reggie Miller, Steve Nash), unblockable shots (Garnett, Dirk, MJ), or post-up moves (Duncan, Shaq), or driving and dishing (Kobe). That's how you carry a team. When the offense stalls, you can be relied upon for a little over a point per possession.  

LeBron and Wade really don't have those tools at their disposal. They can't shoot from distance, can be blocked and have no post-up moves. Since there are no consistent three-point threats on the Heat, there wasn't a lot they could do when they were losing control in the fourth. Until the Heat solve this problem, they are going to be very, very beatable in a seven game series. 

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Oh, and that three-point threat pretty much needs to be a point guard.

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As for the Mavericks, it is pretty clear, given their playoff run, that they adopted the (former) Spurs strategy of laying low in the regular season, and saving room for the playoffs. They compiled a 16-5 record, with one of the losses coming on a fluky collapse against Portland.

My guess is that you'll see Dallas adopt a similar strategy next year, and we'll get to read about how the Mavs have lost their championship spark and all that. That will make for an illuminating read.

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HERZLICHEN GLÜCKWUNSCH, DIRK!

by TDP on Jun 13, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Dat Shoota Dirk

WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 13, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mutter, da geht das Mensch!

by -PS- on Jun 13, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice piece, Kevin.

On a basketball note, my sense about the Heat has been that they were at least one year away from being legitimate contenders. I’d bet Pat Riley knew this as well, in spite of the hype from the franchise and its players since last summer.

In spite of them crumbling this season, I think that’s still true (as much as I don’t want to). Had they stayed healthy all season (particularly Haslem, Miller), they’d probably have been the first seed out East. I agree that they have some problems offensively, but I think they can find a few veterans who can shoot on the cheap. Haslem shored up their rebounding, as did Miller, and both can space the floor. If they can add 1-2 more players like that and make one good pick in the draft, they’re right there.

by brgulker on Jun 13, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

That's how I feel about Chicago

With a fixed two-spot and a potentially healthy Boozer in the playoffs, lookout!

Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.

by Mike Payne on Jun 13, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could probably throw the Thunder in there too.

A bit of growing up and a couple of good vets and they could get it right.

WWGMD?

by Kriz on Jun 13, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Westbrook deters me from the Thunder

I’ve always felt the guy gets way too much credit for how inefficient he is, and he proved it in the playoffs. The guy basically single handedly shot the Thunder into defeat against the Mavs. I would seriously consider starting Harden at the 1 and bringing Westbrook off the bench as a 6th man

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by bearded thundar on Jun 13, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the thing though, Harden emerged as a player this post season.

I’d be pretty hard for them to deny him a larger role now.

Just as Harden got to show his talent Westbrook got to show and see his flaws. So, now its a matter of how he attacks that. As well as the team.

Unlike Rose, Westbrook got a hard time for his failures. Kid has talent on both sides of the ball, now comes the growing part.

WWGMD?

by Kriz on Jun 13, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't think Westbrook is that talented, he's a pure athlete

The has never been a good decision maker imo and is too weak of a shooter to actually help space the floor for Durant. Sure he might get a lot of assists, but lets be real, dude is playing next to a guy who might win 5+ offensive POY trophies

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by bearded thundar on Jun 13, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Athleticism is a talent, though

Splitting hairs, I realize, but athleticism is a necessary talent for NBA athletes. Westbrook has a lot more than many, for sure, and he may not have honed some of the other skills he needs, true.

by brgulker on Jun 13, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have a ton of confidence in Chicago.

Miami is always going to be able to throw James on Rose and when that happens Chicago is going to struggle offensively. I feel like Boozer would have to absolutely annihilate Bosh for an entire series for them to even have a chance to win.

by Grant E. on Jun 13, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget about Noah

He’s quietly a very efficient center, and better than anything the Heat have. I would say Chicago has a chance if Deng can at least make James play defense and they get a lock-down wing defender to throw on either LeBron or Wade

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by bearded thundar on Jun 13, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

True about Noah, but this year was as bad as Miami is going to be at center.

They’re going to continue to add pieces and that would presumably be the starting point.

by Grant E. on Jun 13, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lebron can only guard Rose because their shooting guards are all a notch away from the D-league. If they had a real 2 they could run plays to get said player open shots over Chalmers and Bibby all day.

Welcome... to the Wallace-hood

by tads on Jun 13, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're giving Chicago's two guards too much credit.

The thing with James that Paul Silas, Mike Brown and Erik Spoelstra haven’t figured out yet is that he offers his team pretty much unlimited flexibility. He can guard positions one through four on probably every team in the league except for the Lakers and maybe the Celtics. He can guard positions one through five against about 70% of the teams in the league. For whatever reason, none of his coaches have taken advantage of that with any consistency. For instance, against Chicago, Miami could go large with James (on Rose), Wade (on Deng), Miller/Jones/FA wing signing du jour (on Chicago’s inevitable upgrade at the two) Bosh and Haslem (against Noah and Boozer) and Chicago would have a very difficult time scoring.

This is why I’m terrified of the possibility of Riley eventually taking over as head coach. Riley is the guy who played Magic at center in the NBA Finals, so I suspect he’s bright enough to take advantage of the flexibility that James offers. They could go big, they could go small, they could tinker with the matchups whenever they want and create nightmares for opposing defenses while still playing high-quality defense on their end.

by Grant E. on Jun 13, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody in the league is tasked with guarding the other team’s best perimeter scorer/playmaker and also functioning as his own teams first/second option on offense…at least not throughout a seven-game series.

by -PS- on Jun 13, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, and Miami didn't need to.

They put James on Rose for short stretches at a time and the last few minutes of every game and Chicago’s offense was nonexistent at those times. I’m not suggesting that James be the primary defender on Rose all the time, just that they have an enormous advantage to deploy whenever they see fit.

by Grant E. on Jun 13, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think several players would be laughing at that statement

MJ, Kobe and JoeD to name a few off the top of my head

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by bearded thundar on Jun 13, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

and to say James isn’t in that category is either asinine or shows he is truly overrated

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by bearded thundar on Jun 13, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kobe doesn’t do that anymore. That’s why LAL acquired Artest, Barnes, et al. As for MJ and JOD, I’m talking about current players.

by -PS- on Jun 13, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nawp

Dude guarded Chris Paul after Fisher epic failed

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by bearded thundar on Jun 13, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

My main concern with Chicago is Rose's ability to distribute

That series against Miami was begging for them to run the pick and roll with Rose and Boozer to get somebody besides Rose involved in the offense, but they never did. Thibodeau clearly didn’t have enough confidence in Rose’s passing ability to try that out at all. They weren’t posting him up even in the first round series (and if they aren’t posting him up against guys like Hansbrough and McRoberts, who are they going to post him up against?), so the pick and roll would seem to be the only other way to get Boozer involved in the offense. Boozer’s a very good offensive player, but he needs a point guard feeding him the ball going towards the basket. Rose hasn’t shown the ability to do that yet, and it’s a tough skill to improve upon.

by Grant E. on Jun 13, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

I feel like that OKC will pass them in 2-3 years tops. It could well be an OKC-Miami Finals next year, but OKC is stacked and young. They just need seasoning.

Hermosa Beach as Hell!

by V. on Jun 14, 2011 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we shouldn’t forget about Memphis either. I wasn’t a Zach Randolph fan until this year. I haven’t seen a lot of him since going to Memphis, all I remembered of him was Portland. He’s really matured and grown. I think Memphis, if they stay healthy and together, is going to be a top team out west in a year or two.

by Alex_Be on Jun 15, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zeebo was really good. A floor general. I never saw that team coming, this year.

Grizzlies…past the first round in the playoffs….lead by Zed-Bo (shout out to MFGE)

that was a pleasant surprise. The Heat tried to ruin my playoffs- but they didn’t. ’Twas a mad decent postseason.

That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice

by Skylar on Jun 15, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

’Twas a mad decent postseason.

Agreed. Other than some of the series not going for as long as I’d hoped they would. But definitely one of the more enjoyable post seasons.

by Alex_Be on Jun 16, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Every series Memphis was involved in was amazing. They had buzzer beaters, over times, clutch play after clutch play from everyone on both teams. Great playoffs.

by garrettelliott on Jun 16, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

That Spurs/Grizzlies series was awesome.

That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice

by Skylar on Jun 16, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

But I think LeBron and Wade also need to figure out which one is going to be away from the ball, and the one that is going to be away from the ball is going to have to learn to be effective without it. Personally, I think if you put LeBron at the PG you cause all kinds of problems for the opposing teams. Plus, by him now being concerned with running the offense he doesn’t have to be “that guy” making the winning shots. D-Wade can be that guy. I think that’s a more natural position for the both of them. What if Miami was able to pick up Tayshaun through free agency in some magical and surreal way? I think that would be crazy.

by Alex_Be on Jun 15, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

if Dallas drafts a good pg

they could be contenders for the next 3 years.
They still have 3 7 footers, if Chandler comes back.
Plus Roddy & Caron could come back even stronger.

They already have JJ Barea, but will need a taller defensive pg like Darius MOrris or Norris Cole for when JKidd gets too old – a la Derek Fisher.

If the rest of their teams stay the same, whoever drafts the best new PG between LA & Dallas could win the next 2 or 3 championships.

The heat won’t win until they get a good big man that can defend, block shots and rebound, and is taller than Udonis Haslem…

Chicago & Oklahoma are cute, but too young, and have supertalented but limited guard play.

by victor_e on Jun 13, 2011 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Caron Butler is a free agent

Dallas will probably resign Chandler and Barea, let Stevenson and Butler go, and spend the difference (+/- 10M) on younger depth. All of these players are FAs.

by joejoejoe on Jun 13, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be willing to bet Barea goes, honestly

Stevenson is a no-brainer, but Barea is going to get overpaid for his playoff heroics, and Dallas has Beaubois, who Cuban is super enamored with. I’d be willing to bet they let JJ go and maybe draft a PG for insurance.

How's that for a slice of fried gold?

by Thom not Tom Gores on Jun 13, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mark Cuban

Will not let any key pieces of his championship leave. He’s got too big an ego for that. He’ll keep the key pieces and overspend if necessary. He’ll look at add one more piece via FA, and he’ll probably be shopping Heywood.

/prediction’d

by brgulker on Jun 14, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec’d for add and Heywood.

by -PS- on Jun 14, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doh!

Should have known better than to question you!

by brgulker on Jun 14, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d for still not getting it!

by Grant E. on Jun 14, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing about the future

Miami will be good next year. Probably really good, probably a championship contender. BUT things happen.

Maybe they’ll be another “mega move” greatly improving an already good team. See, e.g., LA gets Gasol, and suddenly they’re back to being elite. Boston gets Allen and KG to go with Garnett. And of course this year it was Lebron and Bosh going to Miami. These big changes don’t happen every year, but they’ve happened surprisingly often in the last several.

Some “good” team gets a less dramatic piece or two (Detroit in ’04 with ’Sheed), or just starts playing better for whatever reason and wins the conference (Orlando a few years ago, Dallas this year).

Some team comes out of semi-nowhere to pull an upset in the first or second round (Memphis and OKC this year).

One of the “big three” on Miami gets hurt, say, during the playoffs. And I mean really hurt, not D-Wade “hurt.”

Maybe it turns out that there really are some problems with Miami — the “LeBron, Bosh and Wade all need the ball in their hands, they can’t play off the ball” thing Jon Barry talks about, LeBron really does have some issues with high-pressure situations, or etc.

I’ve posted this Zeke quote before, but it’s really true: “to win a championship, you have to be both good and lucky.” Miami’s good, when everyone is healthy — really good. But things still have to go right for them next year. And they might not.

by Toledo Joe on Jun 13, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

The One Out Miami Has

Is that Orlando is likely going to have to deal Howard. Whether Riles dangles Bosh or LeBron (methinks it’s LBJ, because he and Wade have a hard time playing together, and that’s not changing soon), doesn’t matter. Bosh and Howard would compliment each other in the front court, and Haslem can move to the 3. I’m not crazy about Chalmers, too immature, but you have 4/5 of an elite starting 5 right there.

As Thom not Tom Gores correctly notes below, Wade will be 30, and will likely be on the decline within a year or two. Also, Wade has been injured many times throughout his career and you wonder about whether his style of play and injury history will expedite or steepen his decline. So..the window of opportunity might not be what it seems.

Hermosa Beach as Hell!

by V. on Jun 14, 2011 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wade is Miami basketball, though. If they traded him the fans would be pissed.

Oh wait, it’s Miami fans. They wouldn’t care either way.

by garrettelliott on Jun 14, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haslem at the 3?

That seems improbably, to put it politely. Miller would start, and Haslem would be the 3rd big.

Also, I just don’t see the Big Three being broken apart unless they want it to be so. You have to think it’s an unwritten rule of the contract.

by brgulker on Jun 14, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to think it’s an unwritten rule of the contract.

Yes.

by -PS- on Jun 14, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wade is the boss, though. If he wants LeBron gone, I think they’d accommodate. But the only player you could get for LeBron at equal value would be Dwight.

by garrettelliott on Jun 14, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a great deal for both teams. DO IT OTIS AND RILES!

by -PS- on Jun 14, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re probably right, but I’d have to think if Riley could swap one of the big three out for another of the NBA’s younger most talented players…he might at least think about it. I think Dwight and Bosh down low would be a force. Dwight with the power game, Bosh with the finesse, and it would free Wade to have the ball without having to worry about LeBron.

It would be Poetic Justice in my mind as well that LeBron would be dealt to a team on the decline after thinking he was making the right move by turning his back on Cleveland for what he perceived to be “greener pastures.”

by Alex_Be on Jun 15, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing about Miami, though

Dwyane Wade is going to be 30 next year. If he gets hurt or his game declines — a definite possibility, considering how predicated it is on athleticism — where are they? People killed Atlanta for the Joe Johnson deal, and rightly so, because of his age, but he’s only half a year older than Wade. People act like he’s just going to age gracefully over the remainder of his contract when we have SUBSTANTIAL evidence that says that’s incredibly unlikely. Look at Rashard Lewis now, or Gilbert Arenas, or even Johnson — and those guys have consistent jumpers! What’s Wade going to do when he can’t get to the basket at will and dunk on people? That’s not even taking his sketchy injury history into account, which could exacerbate things even faster for Miami.

How's that for a slice of fried gold?

by Thom not Tom Gores on Jun 13, 2011 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

People hated on the Joe Johnson deal

Because the player involved was Joe Johnson, not because he was 30.

by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 14, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Their windows is open for about three years, maybe four, without some serious, serious re-tooling.

And this is underscored by their complete lack of a long-term solution at center. They were built to win it all, quickly. Pat Riley knows this, I think. They have a few good years.

I do think, however, that if Wade can develop a post game (something like Jordan) that he could prolong his career. Obviously, he doesn’t have that yet.

by brgulker on Jun 14, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

but people know his game and what he is capable of.

all he wants is to start in the league for one more year, dawg

and maybe have some off time for personal matters.

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by Skylar on Jun 15, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dalla$ vs. Miassmi

I hate the Heat but Dallas has a payroll of $90.7M, almost $14M more than Miami. Dallas isn’t the little guy here. Joe Dumars could sign Ben Gordon and Charlie V’s evil twins to duplicate evil contracts and the Pistons payroll still wouldn’t match Dallas.

by joejoejoe on Jun 13, 2011 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

well perhaps that's why we suck ass

Every team has bad contracts, but our bad contracts are our best players

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by bearded thundar on Jun 13, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

but our bad contracts are our best players

…for me to poop on?

Welcome... to the Wallace-hood

by tads on Jun 13, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

right I get that

but in theory CV and BG were supposed to be our best players along with Stuckey and Rip

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by bearded thundar on Jun 13, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoopsy-daisy!

Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.

by Mike Payne on Jun 13, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d for Nono.

by -PS- on Jun 14, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was on purpose dog

in other words, my nono was not a nono.

Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.

by Mike Payne on Jun 14, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  


Since he’s German, I’ll assume that he’s giving away free Panzers to all the Dallas fans.

by Grant E. on Jun 13, 2011 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

lol...took me a second read to get that.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 13, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can someone explain to me why the Heat Stadium announcer kept going “Two Minutes. D’oh!” when there were two minutes left in each quarter?

The “two minutes” I understand. What’s with that goofy/idiotic noise he makes afterwards?

by Quick Darshan on Jun 13, 2011 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it has something to do with Heat fans being worthless

Welcome... to the Wallace-hood

by tads on Jun 13, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is "Dos minutos"

Which is two minutes in Spanish.

WWGMD?

by Kriz on Jun 13, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is

And since Miami actually had people going to their games in the playoffs that were semi paying attention, PA announcer dude stopped saying “dos minutos” for the most part because the crowd got into it.

[Sign #245 that the Miami Heat have been on TV too many times this season…]

by Rob Rogacki on Jun 13, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd for "then", MJ

you stupid fuck.

Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.

by Mike Payne on Jun 14, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I bet MJ’s hand is inside Pipp’s Hane’s Comfort-Soft band.

by TDP on Jun 14, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Confession

MJ is my all-time favorite basketball player.

Bring on the Haterade!

by brgulker on Jun 14, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOUR FANDOM IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD!

Just kidding. My top 5 basketball players.

1. Rasheed Wallace
2. Charles Barkley (I have the Free Darko print in my room)
3. Chris Webber
4. Shawn Kemp
5. Vlade Divac

Dunks and blocks and passing, bring them to me.

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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 14, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

really? I find that to be asburd

My top five basketball players are:
1. 2003-04 Ben Wallace
2. 2002-03 Ben Wallace
3. 2001-02 Ben Wallace
4. 2005-06 Ben Wallace
5. Tie between 2004-05 Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace’s bald spot

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by bearded thundar on Jun 14, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excuse me?

2001-02 Ben Wallace was so tough he dislocated his knuckle, couldn’t find it, and said “fuck it.”

by Shinons* on Jun 14, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

obviously

dude must squat a lot

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by bearded thundar on Jun 14, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, so it was “Twwwwwoooo minutes… Dos!” That makes sense. He still says “Dos” like a fuckin moron.

by Quick Darshan on Jun 14, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

My Thoughts Now

I felt it was like some sort of metaphysical Universe thing going on last night. You know about those prayer chains, and the results they get (actually pretty good). I felt like some of that was going on last night. Never saw Wade, a money player and LBJ, a money player sometimes who is allergic to adversity, clang so many open looks. Wade particularly.

I mean, there were like 12 people outside of Florida who were not rooting for the Mavs. Never saw a team this hated ever, not even the mid-80s Celtics.

Hermosa Beach as Hell!

by V. on Jun 14, 2011 3:21 AM EDT reply actions  

You Forgot Shawn Marion

Who put a once in a career job defending Lebron at 33yo; he’s a great defender and maybe a tough matchup for Lebron (like I thought he might be), but the next time will likely be different.

Hermosa Beach as Hell!

by V. on Jun 14, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed I did.

he saw the writing on the wall and accepted a bench role to start the season- an important part of what ultimately culminated into a starter role and truly a dream season. The most important thing he has ever amounted. Likely the most important season he will ever have.

Shawn Marion is kind of an emblem of why the Mavs worked so marvelously this season. The self-involved, deluded Miami 3 should grow the fuck up and take some notes.

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by Skylar on Jun 14, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think someone needs to step up as their leader

Wade and LeBron seemed unsure of who’s team it was, and I think that’s where the 4th quarter problems came from. If you recall Boston had many of the same issues until Pierce stepped up as their go to guy

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by bearded thundar on Jun 14, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's gotta be Wade.

Superior play to Bosh and most certainly James this series. Gave both of those sissies their relocation orders. Was drafted by Miami and won a title there already. I think he’s the true face of that franchise. Wade is the alpha dog on that team, to me.

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by Skylar on Jun 14, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree it should be Wade

But I don’t think it has anything to do with him being the face of the franchise already, or necessarily that he’s the only guy with a ring. I think it should be Wade because he plays the hardest and with the most passion. LeBron flat out looked disinterested in the 4th quarters of the Finals

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by bearded thundar on Jun 14, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I said- Superior play in the finals.

The other stuff just solidifies my point.

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by Skylar on Jun 14, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

All this speculation is well and good

But don’t both of these teams look much different next year? None of the labor deals the league have been throwing around sound too much like teams are going to be able to spend more money than they can now. In fact, chances are they are going to have to spend less.

The Mavs may need to dump important depth players to get under the new “hard cap”. They Heat may not be able to find the depth they need by overspending. Other contenders may also need to cut players under an amnesty clause to get under a new “hard cap”.

I’ve got no problem with those that like to speculate. It just seems to me that planning out who might be the powerhouse teams for the next 5 years seems like a specious task at this point, particularly this year.

by Big Z in Orlando on Jun 14, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

That point goes with what I was trying to say above

Although it’s interesting, everyone is talking about whether Miami will win it all next year. But I haven’t heard much about the potential of the Mavs repeating. Is that because we think they have too many players who are too old? Because we think they just got hot at the right time and aren’t actually really that good? Because Miami is just a more interesting case?

by Toledo Joe on Jun 14, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Mavs are very old

I can see them having a season like SA did this year. Great regular season, running into a youth-led buzzsaw early in the playoffs.

by brgulker on Jun 14, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Use what worked this year if you want that rare back-to-back title, Mavs.

Retain the culture of unifying for the title, to achieve the goal- both as far as your playing time is concerned, and money. I think every guy on that roster more or less improved his game during this championship run.

Dirk had that mallet finger (the Kobesque eight week deformity) and the fever, and still beat those suckas in 6.

The day late & a dollar short playoff run the Spurs had is a possibility, but I give them a chance of a repeat for sure.

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by Skylar on Jun 14, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there are enough owners (like Mark Cuban) whose teams would be completely devastated by a hard cap that we won’t get one.

Also, I think the players will have a strong case — the owners hire the people who give away these moronic contracts. They bring it on themselves.

by brgulker on Jun 14, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The financial problem with the NBA is not the soft cap + the luxury tax. It’s the lack of revenue sharing. The other problem with the NBA is its reliance on star power…which actually isn’t a problem right now, with the overall talent level at the highest since the 1980s.

by -PS- on Jun 14, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a rebuttal, just fleshing out my point more fully

I think you have to include GMs who give out absolutely terrible contracts. This list could go on, but seriously, Gilbert Arenas, Joe Johnson, Richard Hamilton, Monte Ellis, Kobe Bryant, and on down the line.

The owners aren’t being forced into paying these types of ridiculous salaries. They are willingly doing so.

I find it more than a little hypocritical to attack the players because the GMs they hire don’t know how to evaluate and pay for talent.

Given that the talent pool is so deep, there’s no excuse for a Minnesota in today’s NBA. Winning teams make money, losing teams don’t. David Kahn, Colangelo, etc., are idiots and are just as much to blame for the owners losing money as anything else.

At some point, the owners have to be forced into accepting the consequences of their own personnel decision. If your GM is killing your franchise, do something about it.

by brgulker on Jun 14, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a rebuttal…

Don’t you think that GMs would learn in a hurry how to evaluate and pay for talent if the NBA increased revenue sharing and perhaps made the salary cap a little more rigid? Then each team would have roughly the same amount to spend on players, and the value of each individual player would be more defined.

by -PS- on Jun 14, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly?

No. I think a lot of GMs are just really bad at their jobs, and there’s little the league can do to solicit better performance.

by brgulker on Jun 14, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

…and we’ve come full circle. Sadly. you’re probably right.

by -PS- on Jun 14, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problems aren't that simple

But, revenue sharing probably wouldn’t be enough. Again, if Stern is correct and roughly 2/3 of the league can’t make money, then the other 1/3 sharing the profits they have isn’t going to be enough to get the job done. I’m sure they 1/3 currently profiting would be MUCH happier with a system that allows them to reduce spending, rather than simply handing current profits away.

by Big Z in Orlando on Jun 15, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

This is a possibility. I’m not sure there are enough owners happy about spending above the current cap to shout down those who have no ability or intention of doing so. If it’s a straight-up vote, then the have-nots are more prevalent, if David Stern is to be believed.

There are probably also a couple of the owners currently spending above the cap that would be happy to have an “excuse” not to do so. They’re probably not going to see significant losses in income due to an extremely large fan base (Lakers, Knicks, etc), but would see a big increase in profit if their expenses suddenly went way down.

And to be clear, I don’t think it matter how strong a case the players have, or who is “right”. The owners are going to get what they want. Ultimately, they have all the leverage and if they decide collectively to use a hard-cap system, or to stop giving guaranteed contracts, then it will happen.

If Stern is right and 22 teams area losing money, then big changes are coming.

by Big Z in Orlando on Jun 15, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d for area.

Good points though!

by -PS- on Jun 15, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where’s Waldo?

by -PS- on Jun 15, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m rec’ing that even though I don’t know who that is.

by garrettelliott on Jun 15, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes! I thought he looked familiar but I couldn’t remember from what. I just un-rec’d it and rec’d it again.

by garrettelliott on Jun 15, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad Nash didn't somehow come back to Dallas to win one with Dirk

instead it was this coward

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by Skylar on Jun 16, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  


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