Reasons to Get Drunk and Surly: Draft edition
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 20, 2011 3:26 PM EDT
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By my lights, Kyrie Irving is pretty close to a sure thing in this draft.
Granted, his college performance constitutes a small sample size, but it’s exceedingly rare for a freshman to burst out of the gates the way Irving did. While some of his skills will certainly need developing if he is to play the point in the NBA, his shooting ability will make him an instant impact player.
The knock against him seems to be that he doesn’t have the measurements of some more recent standout point guard prospects, but his college numbers look like those of Chris Paul during his freshman year.
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Derrick Williams looks great on paper. A guy who gets to the line that much and shoots lights out from beyond the arc? Is this the second coming of Dirk?
Call it a hunch, but I’m leery of his college numbers. The fact is that he went from a player with no long range to one who shot 57% (!) from three his sophomore year, but in a relatively limited number of attempts. I’d be more comfortable if he had shot well his freshman year as well.
He’s also pretty much guaranteed to be a liability on defense, as he’ll struggle to matchup physically with fours or keep up with threes. I wouldn’t pass him up at the two, but I can’t blame the Wolves for shopping the pick.
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Of course, nothing I wrote above has anything to do with why the Wolves are shopping the pick. A stopped Kahn is right twice a day and all that.
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Hollinger’s draft rater is out. He’s high on Irving (he does note that his rater actually penalizes him for lack of minutes played), which is no surprise. Same goes for Derrick Williams.
Jimmer Fredette doesn’t rate well at all, which also is no surprise. If Utah doesn’t take him at the 12, I wouldn’t be surprised to watch him drop. Shooters who can’t shoot don’t help basketball teams win games.
Notes on players the Pistons are considering:
Kemba Walker projects to be a rotation player or nominal starter. That’s probably about right. He’s not skilled in any one particular area, but isn’t terrible either. In any other draft, though, he falls out of the lottery.
Tristan Thompson scores high on the rater (at a 16+, he’s in DeMarcus Cousins territory). In fact, he scores the highest of any prospect. I’m not quite so enthused, and wonder if foul rate factors appropriately into the rating. Nonetheless, if the Pistons pass on Biyombo in favor of Thompson, I’ll cling to this number rather than the pistol resting on my temple.
Markieff Morris and Jordan Williams don’t rate well. In related news, they aren’t very good.
Of the Euros, Jan Vesely doesn’t rate well, but Jonas Valanciunas does. Vesely screams "workout wonder" to me, a guy who can dunk on chairs (and the French) but not on people.
On Biyombo, there isn’t enough data to make a determination, so he slots him at 11 based on scout feedback. Not bad from a guy whose comprehensive metric largely ignores defense.
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I do think Hollinger’s rater is a useful tool (it was right about Greg Monroe, for example), but the endless retrofitting bothers me. Adjusting to accommodate new data sets is a viable method for making projections, but imputing a UCLA bonus? That makes me wonder whether some of the tweaks really reflect a reality, or a still nascent sample.
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Of all the players whose appeal eludes me, Brandon Knight is chief among them. He was a mediocre shooter and borderline terrible passer. He played for a world-class franchise, and I think that about sums it up. He has a reputation as a great defender (though his foul rate was a bit high for my tastes) and might earn some minutes on that score. He is being discussed as a top three pick. Bizarre.
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I understand the love for Enes Kanter, but I don’t share it. Unathletic big men are a big risk. Sure, the occasional Zydrunas Ilgauskas comes along, but do you spend a lottery pick on the off chance you land the second coming of Big Z?
I do think he’ll have foot and toe problems. He just has that look. I have no metrics to back up my suspicion.
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So what does my board look like? Assuming Irving and Williams are off the board, my list would be:
Biyombo
Valanciunas
Thompson
Kenneth Faried
Kawhi Leonard
Obviously, Biyombo is the top choice. When you are in desperate need of defense in the frontcourt, you draft the best defensive frontcourt player.
I actually think Valanciunas will be very good as well, though he’s going to take a couple of years to develop. Any guy who can actually shoot, but also block shots is intriguing.
Thompson get’s a nudge because of the rater result. His numbers look an awful lot like Jason Maxiell’s, though Maxiell was on his way to a nice career before idiotic coaches started screwing with him.
Faried’s appeal is obvious, I think. Rebounding translates to the NBA, and the dude can rebound.
Kawhi Leonard does not interest me as much as any of the bigs, but the Pistons are hardly set at the three, and fitting in a double-digit rebounder. Like most of the wings and guards in this draft, however, he can’t shoot.
Kemba Walker and Jan don’t intrigue me at all. We don’t need another rotation-caliber guard to miss shots, and, while I’m sure Jan will have some pretty moves, I’m relatively certain he won’t be able to contribute.
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If Tristan’s per was 16, and all he did was block, dunk, rebounds, and play smart,,,
then Biyombos PER was probably 21, since he did the same things, with better numbers, with less minutes, against grown men.
Fair assessment?
Thompson scored more
Not sure what numbers you’d need to hit to register a 21 on his scale, and I’m not sure a defense-first guy could do it.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 20, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed on your top 3
I’d be happy with Bismack, Jonas or Thompson.
thompson's rating
definitely makes me feel better about him. i’m not down for PER, but hollinger’s draft rater hasn’t been all too bad of a tool over the years. his list of big men are all productive in the NBA, sans sweetney, but he had his moments.
I agree with the Knight assessment. I can’t figure out why he’s rated so high. I wouldn’t want the Pistons taking him at 8, but I guess I should be glad we hopefully won’t have to make that mistake.
So is Biyombo
I mean, someone said he was, and can anyone prove otherwise? He clearly conducts himself like a Canadian.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 20, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
My Mock
1. Cavs – Irving
2. Timberwolves – Williams
3. Jazz – Knight (they have enough young bigs)
4. Cavs – Kanter (offensive minded big to pair with defensive minded Varejao)
5. Raptors – Valunciunas (A rebounder/shot blocker to pair with Bargnani)
6. Wizards – Leonard (They have young bigs and guards. Leonard can D up too)
7. Kings – Walker (Not an ideal pairing with Evans but they can split time on and off the ball)
I could also see Toronto going for Leonard and the Wizards with Vesely.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 20, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey..
I know most of you Pistons diehards are high on Biyombo,and I like him too….BBBut I was doing some research on Kemba,and watched a few highlights and I got a funny tingling feeling inside. He has game..Just sayin’
He can have game somewhere else. Unless its Jordan or Kobe, I don’t want a wing or guard in this draft, period.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 20, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No No Biz...
This guy is a point guard. Great floor awareness and nice touches on his passes. With the right coaching he will be a great floor general. He is a point who can score. SOUND FAMILIAR?
Rodney Stuckey?
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by heWizard on Jun 20, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WHAT!!??
You must be joking right? Unlike Suckey,Walker can actually finish at the rim. Unlike Suckey, Walker can find the open man..Unlike Suckey,Walker can hit the 10-15 footer on a consistent basis..Unlike Suckey……….I give up. You guys can play follow the leader all you want,but we need a point guard.You can believe in MFWB if you want,but he is NOT the answer.Walker is a talented PG who is a winner!!
W-A-L-K-E-R
Walker is a talented PG who is a winner!!
Walker is an undersized combo guard with poor court vision who doesn’t present a significant upgrade over any over our guards. Ben Gordon was also a winner, won with the same team and averaged almost precisely the same numbers as Walker prior to the NBA. We already have one of those and he sucks. Also, your argument sucks.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
The Leader has spoken...
I can appreciate your opinion..I really can. But I have noticed for quite a while that everyone agrees with you, and when they don’t you want to throw jabs. Weak jabs at that. Lets face it Herbert, you are a banwagoneer (new word for you lol) with loyal followers. So continue to write your pretty little columns and continue to stroke Bill Lambeers shaft,while I hope we draft W-A-L-K-E-R!!
Go ahead a spell check that Herbert lol.
Go ahead a spell check that Herbert lol.
Good job misspelling Laimbeer.
I believe most people agree with Mike Payne because he usually makes a good point, not because they’re afraid to throw “jabs.”
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Jun 21, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Uhhmm
That’s why I said spell check that Trout…..Bet you wish you had that one back huh?
Not really.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Jun 21, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah baby!!
I’m going toe to toe with the KING!! Give me room!! Grrrrr
Damn
It’s taking him forever to respond..He must be in a “Witty reply slump”
You sure?
I mean he sure found time to sniff out my remarks..
Ohh wait..
He may be trying to find that “Ban user” button.
Who is Herbert?
I wrote this “column” last I remember, and I’ve been on the Laimbeer train for as long as anyone. Kemba Walker is a terrible choice because he cannot shoot, and defenders do not respect point guards who cannot shoot.
I wanted Biyombo the first I laid eyes on him (and by “him”, I mean “his stats”). And I certainly didn’t ask Mike Payne’s permission to do so.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 21, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm cool with that..
I like Biyombo as well,but my OPINION is that we need a point guard to lead our team. In my OPINION I feel that if both are available,I would like to take him..Simple. I just see how this guy kinda talks down to people who don’t agree with him, and that reminds me of a Herbert.Look,most of you want Biyombo and that’s fine,but if I do not agree I am going to talk down to you,or anyone else.
A good rule of thumb...
Is never to worry about tone during internet discussions.
I’m not saying whether you are right or wrong, but people have different ways of communicating, and you are best served to focus on the substance. That way, you don’t have to worry about getting your feelings hurt, because it’s the internet, and the internet doesn’t have feelings.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 21, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
My feelings are fine..
But for those that dish,they better be ready to receive. I treat everyone fair and expect the same in return,if not then it is what it is.
no sugarcoat, kevin and MFMP would AGREE with roco if he had EPINION instead of OPINION. just epinion
by -PS- on Jun 21, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
To put more light on Kemba Walker.
He has a .25 Assist-to-Field Goal ratio (not good for a point guard).
He only shot 33% from three-point range.
His TS% isn’t particularly good at 55% (16th among the top 25 guards in the draft).
He averages 4.8 assists per 40 minutes (17th among the top 25 guards in the draft).
There’s really not a whole lot to like about Walker other than the fact that he won a National Title. He’s a volume scorer, not much different from a guy like Allen Iverson, really.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Jun 21, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I really don’t agree very much with you. You certainly have a point about his shooting. But a lot of that came because he was doing the dirty work at times. But there are certain flaws to his game where he puts up shots that I believe any capable NBA coach would quickly fix. He has had a bad habit of rushing things and twisting into some bad plays and shots. But In all, he’s actually a pretty good shooter when he’s taking “good” shots.
And as far as a point gaurd. Him rushing things hurt him, but slow things down a bit and stop shouldering so much of the load and I’d say he gets much better. But most importantly, Calhoun would constantly shift the line-up so that Walker would play about 50% of the games at point and the other half off the ball and let that senior guy, who was downright terrible, handle the point duties. So some of it’s coaching. I have some faith in the guy. Although I really can’t say that the Pistons need him most right now, but I still like the guy.
But If I were the Cavs, I’d be thinking of an option of grabbing Williams then Kemba in the draft. Because even if they can’t get him to pan out at the point, they have The Beard and Ray Moan to mix him with.
Plus, if Kemba succeeds, Ray Moan will very likely be a movable asset to the Cavs.
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
Walker is a talented PG who is a winner!!
Somewhere, Mateen Cleaves is doing a fist-pump.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 21, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Just my opinion
We all have them. But thanks for not insulting me.
We do...
I would look at the trajectory for point guards with poor shooting percentages at the NCAA level. Everyone likes to cite Rondo as a counterexample, but that dude shot 50% and owned on defense.
My theory is that, at the NCAA basketball, what would be considered inefficient shooting at the NBA level flies. This is why big men who shoot 60% from the field at top programs don’t necessarily see the ball.
Walker shot slightly above average, but managed to do so on a load of possessions. As such, he scored a lot of points, and accrued numerous positive ancillary statistics. Good enough to differentiate his team from a relatively muddled pack of decent squads. Not enough to bring wins to the table at the NCAA level.
That’s where most of us are coming from.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 21, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Now that's
A damn good argument sir..Well said. And like I said before I like Biyombo too. But what in the world are we going to do about our PG situation? If we can get Sessions some how some way….
Wait for next years draft
This team has holes at every position Greg Monroe does not occupy. If the Pistons don’t have a lottery pick next year, it will because Stuckey finally figured out how to have a perimeter game, at which point we wouldn’t need another point guard.
To that point, and I’m pretty much Linus in the pumpkin patch here, but I think there is hope of that happening. Not “pass up Kyrie Irving” hope, but certainly “don’t piss away a pick on Kemba Walker” hope.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 21, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
ALLEN IVERSON
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 21, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Drafting Walker would be a massive mistake, he can’t play point and BG is better at the two. For the pick he’s gonna cost the best move would be to not draft him now.
by Grant E. on Jun 21, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
That was nice
I’m still pretty high on Walker. Watching him play, I thought he could be a superstar. Sure he could bust and it’d be nice if he were 2" taller, but then he’d just be a Derrick Rose clone. I just loved his playmaking ability and the way he carried himself on the court, both ends. I think a good portion of why people are down on him is how Calhoun was coaching that UConn team. If only we could trade Gordon already. And Draft Biyombo or Faried of course. Too bad Faried’s not going to be around for the second round. Or will he? ; )
Plus, look at the way he deforms that defense! I mean look at that deformation! It’s amazing! …Too soon?
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by JumpingBlob on Jun 20, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it’d be nice if he were 2" taller, but then he’d just be a Derrick Rose clone.
Remember that a D-Rose clone is a point guard so his shooting percentage is supposed to be low.
/ESPN’d
by Rob Rogacki on Jun 20, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
It’s strange how almost every layup he finishes in that video is on the left side of the rim with his right hand.
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NitPick Much?
Lets focus on those game winning shots..That there cannot be coached.
Notice that my observation did not come with judgement
which is why it was an observation, not a nitpick.
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Kemba Walker, Rodney Stuckey, Will Bynum, and Ben Gordon on the same roster?
Mama, there goes that franchise.
by brgulker on Jun 21, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
thank god the Warriors “stole” him away from us
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jun 21, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, how am I going to top that next season
Better start constructing my Red Panda Suit.
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But But I Looove my leader!! And He Loves Me Tooo!!
As long as I agree with him
by Roco on Jun 21, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think if you look back through posts, or stick around long, you’ll find that MP has probably had varying degrees of disagreement with every regular on DBB. You keep announcing to everyone that your opinion is “just your opinion” (as if this was something we didn’t know) but also, seemingly, that any opinion that is agreed upon with another is somehow less valid.
You like Kemba Walker, great. It’s good to have dissenting opinions and, if you give enough of a shit about the Pistons, like we all do, talk about them until we all wake up on draft day with Biyomboners.
We also like to have fun here, which sometimes involves making fun and being made fun of. And for that, I rec your unicorn.
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Yeah, he'd deform the defense, alright
They’ll put an extra body on Monroe.
Kevin: Nice work, I’m with you on Irving looking great and Williams looking slightly shaky.
RE: Hollinger’s draft rater. It’s useless. You and I had a back and forth about it last year, but if you dig up Hollinger’s past draft ratings they are a mixture of the numbingly obvious and pure guesswork (not to say anyone else’s method is much better). Him putting a couple chips down on Monroe and hitting means very little.
Thompson’s production was mediocre and he’s a year old for his class. I’m guessing Hollinger’s rater is picking up on Thompson’s solid block rate, long wingspan/standing reach, and ability to draw free throws, but those are the types of things Hollinger’s system loved about such luminaries as Joe Alexander and Darrell Arthur…
Thompson has a much better block rate than those two
And, as it happens, both Alexander and Arthur had more fouls per game.
Hollinger’s rater doesn’t (unless I’m oblivious to something) take into account measurements.
All that said, Arthur had a nice year this year. If that’s Thompson’s basement, we could do worse.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 21, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think they are all that similar
I’ll grant you there is more room for subjectivity in the college drafting process. Stats aside, something about Evan Turner didn’t feel right. Then came his summer league performance. Then, his rookie season.
The rater was wrong in that instance, but what metric would have been right? Statistically, the dude was a beast.
Again, I wouldn’t cast aside Biyombo for Thompson, but no big man with a 16+ on the rater has failed to pan out. As with any comprehensive metric, differentiating causation from correlation is tricky. But whatever metrics typically predict success, Thompson has them.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 21, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If you put any stock in Berri’s WP, it suggests Turner’s rookie year wasn’t the disaster it was made out to be.
But I agree with your general point on ultra productive college players like Turner — a cursory look at his stats will say “holy $hit!,” which is why I find Hollinger’s rater pretty meh. It’s going to be wrong about the same types of guys that almost any GM will be wrong about.
Thompson is basically a lotto ticket. If Thompson hits and is good, Hollinger gets to write that the rater is better at picking than GM’s. If Thompson misses, then he joins Joe Alexander and Darrell Arthur and is never mentioned again.
This is my beef with this entire lottery
Almost everyone is a lottery ticket. Some of the guys have huge upside, but each with upside has enormous risk. This is really what I was trying to get at with Bismack last week. High risk, high reward.
Which is why I like the trade down for low risk, low reward (And low salary commitment) idea.
Hope Joe takes Burks
Then gets him on a plane fast before anyone wants a do-over. Forget trying to force the big because it’s a “higher need”. I think we need D Wade a lot more than Darko right about now. Alec Burks is a baller flat out.
Thoughts on Kemba
NCAA winners are about as trusty as flipping a coin. Look at this list of the most outstanding players in the NCAA tournament and about half of them are at least marginal starters, the other half are undeniable busts.
We need people who can play defense, we were probably the worst team in the nba defensively this year. Kemba couldn’t lock down Jimmer in a workout what’s he going to do in front of Derrick rose?
Kemba’s game winning shot was really amazing, but has absolutely no impact on how he will play in the NBA. A. in the NBA they don’t switch on the pick and roll, definitely not with the game on the line. B. In the NBA big men have enough lateral quickness not to fall down, at least not with the game on the line in a playoff game.
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
Ok lets wrap this up..
And move on to the next thread..Which is quite interesting.
no sugarcoat, kevin and MFMP would AGREE with roco if he had EPINION instead of OPINION. just epinion
Ok that’s my “epinion” then :)
He has a .25 Assist-to-Field Goal ratio (not good for a point guard).
He only shot 33% from three-point range.
His TS% isn’t particularly good at 55% (16th among the top 25 guards in the draft).
He averages 4.8 assists per 40 minutes (17th among the top 25 guards in the draft).
There’s really not a whole lot to like about Walker other than the fact that he won a National Title. He’s a volume scorer, not much different from a guy like Allen Iverson, really.
See the thing is you guys are stats researchers. And that’s fine by me I learn a lot from your research. But I feel something great about this guy Walker. He has an unlimited ceiling of growth,and when people compare him to Suckey it’s just crazy nonsense lol. Then here comes the BG comparisons which is also BS because Walker is a pure PG..But lets touch on BG for a minute. First off,I wonder how many of you thought BG sucked before he signed to the Pistons? I don’t know what’s wrong with him,but for some reason the guy has lost his heart and confidence. Will he get it back? Not sure,but at the time of his signing BG did not suck,like the leader says. With that said,Walker or any other player can go through the same thing if they lose their confidence and heart. There is just no guarantee about this.
Now is it possible Walker could be a bust? Sure,but that possibility is also there for Biyombo,or any other player in this draft. I feel that every rebuilding team needs to start at the 1 and build around that. I do feel we have some pretty good pieces on the team. Moose,Jonas (If healthy),and maybe Daye. We get a good PG who can find them,and can also be a scoring threat himself,then we will be on the right track. I just don’t think we need a shot blocker at this point.
Wait for next years draft
Ok sounds good..But who do you have in mind?
Drafting Walker would be a massive mistake, he can’t play point and BG is better at the two. For the pick he’s gonna cost the best move would be to not draft him now.
I disagree here man. The dude runs the point very well. But I’m not going to say your argument sucks. :)
I think if you look back through posts, or stick around long, you’ll find that MP has probably had varying degrees of disagreement with every regular on DBB. You keep announcing to everyone that your opinion is "just your opinion" (as if this was something we didn’t know) but also, seemingly, that any opinion that is agreed upon with another is somehow less valid.
You like Kemba Walker, great. It’s good to have dissenting opinions and, if you give enough of a shit about the Pistons, like we all do, talk about them until we all wake up on draft day with Biyomboners.
We also like to have fun here, which sometimes involves making fun and being made fun of. And for that, I rec your unicorn.
Well first off, MP can disagree about whatever he wants,but there is a right way of doing it. See,a lot of you may lay down when the leader jabs you,and there is nothing wrong with this,but I jab back. That’s just me. I do not consider myself a tough guy,but I will defend myself,real world internet,disney world whatever,and where ever. But see I am comfy in my own skin,and that’s why I don’t have to come online and “insult” people who disagree with me. But I see when others are “talked down to” they either shut up, or they agree. That’s not me.
Oh and that was a trade sir..That sexy Fox thingy is mine now,and the pink unicorn is yours to keep. :)
First off,I wonder how many of you thought BG sucked before he signed to the Pistons?
Raises hand gleefully!
by brgulker on Jun 21, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
OOH OOH ME THREE!!!
Although if his contract was cut in half I’d take him.
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i wouldn't argue with that
i’d prefer another player, but a $5M BG off the bench a la Jason Terry would be hard to hate.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
He basically is Kyle Korver so that is about market rate
Yeah, I said it. Bring it Fanboys
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by tads on Jun 21, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I echo Kevin's thoughts about tone
The internet is awesome, but it’s a flawed medium in that tone doesn’t get communicated. You’ve just gotta let go of taking anything person on the net, and specifically here.
“Gut feelings” don’t go over well at DBB, and a few of us tend to put those types of feelings to the test to see if they hold up. I promise you it’s nothing personal.
I’m a regular here, and I got recently grilled for some feelings I have about Biyombo. I have no hard feelings about that. It was just a good, solid disagreement with people putting their thoughts on the table. I’d encourage you to approach this the same way.
I’d agree, though, that Kemba projects to being a Lowry / Stuckey kind of guy. There’s no way around the numbers on this one.
by brgulker on Jun 21, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
See,a lot of you may lay down when the leader jabs you,and there is nothing wrong with this,but I jab back.
You missed my point. It’s not about MP telling us to sit down and shut up. It’s about having a passionate, well-reasoned argument about something we all care about a great deal. Not only has MP had disagreements with us, we’ve had disagreements with him.
In fact, I’m going to go to the next post and give him shit for SBNation drafting Walker right now.
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Blame MP anyway
or Garrett. He’s from Canada.
by Rob Rogacki on Jun 21, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
God dammit, Garrett!
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by heWizard on Jun 21, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
NOT NOW!!!!!
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by bearded thundar on Jun 21, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Roco, I’m not the leader here. I’m a sixth man at best on a team full of sixth men. And dude, you clearly don’t know this community— no one here lays down for anyone other than Jonas or Biyombo. If I act like an asshole, I’m going to get checked for it. If I say something stupid, I’m going to get checked for it. Inversely, I’m going to check others for doing the same. It’s not about authority, it’s a system of self-policing that has gone on here at DBB for five years— the community checking the community.
See there’s a thing about having discussions on the internet, especially here. If you have an opinion about something, you won’t get away with explaining a “hunch” or a “gut feeling” or any other singular perspective unless you come to the table with some sort of mutually-acceptable means. In short, you need some sort of objective measure to justify your opinion, or the community here won’t give your opinion any merit.
The most commonly-accepted version of objective measurement in sports is statistics. So we use statistics to help explain and justify our opinions. If I try to say something like “I believe Schomas Schmalanciunas is the right guy to play our Center because he’s gonna be a star”, that statement is a complete waste of space if I can’t explain why in a mutually-acceptable means. The same goes for your “gut feeling” on Kemba Walker— especially when the statistics suggest otherwise.
Well first off, MP can disagree about whatever he wants,but there is a right way of doing it.
Cry me a river, Roco. You got all hot-headed over HeWizards response and acted like a douchebag. Your argument, your tone and the way you worded your argument did suck. You’re obviously passionate about Kemba Walker, but don’t feel attacked when people disagree with you— and don’t be a prick when responding. You’ll go a long way if you can respect the justified opinions of others and if you can handle getting your opinions criticized.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
I was going to let this ride out but..
You are not getting it man. Getting my opinions criticized is one thing. But YOU saying that my views “suck” is disrespectful. HEWIZARDs response did not piss me off at all. It was you. I think you need a few lessons on how to deal with people,because I will flame you each and every time you get smart with me..I think the best thing for you and I to do is to leave this alone before I get banned. I don’t like the way you respond to others who you disagree with,like in that other post with Sawyer, but I tried to ignore you,because I know what people like you in the real world are like. You also made a smart remark about the pic I posted. I ignored you then too. I am just here trying to enjoy myself in my free time,not argue with you on the internet. Dude just go your way,and I will go my way. If you don’t want me posting here I won’t.
leave this alone before I get banned.
Roco, Mike’s right. If you think you’re going to get banned, you don’t get the culture here. If memory serves, only two people have been banned from DBB (at least during my few years here), and they were both deserving.
The spat you’ve had with others here doesn’t even come close to stacking up.
No one is asking you to go away, so don’t play the victim. Your opinion, along with anyone else’s, is welcomed (unless you’re a Heat fan, then GTFO).
by brgulker on Jun 21, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well I hate the HEAT. I hope they melt!! And with all due respect I don’t have an issue with others. Just 1 person who got out of line. I hope it’s over.
Or should I say
Continue to melt!! HA HA that’s better
WHAT!!?? You must be joking right? Unlike Suckey,Walker can actually finish at the rim. Unlike Suckey, Walker can find the open man..Unlike Suckey,Walker can hit the 10-15 footer on a consistent basis..Unlike Suckey……….I give up. You guys can play follow the leader all you want,but we need a point guard.You can believe in MFWB if you want,but he is NOT the answer.Walker is a talented PG who is a winner!!
That’s what you said to HeWizard. I just re-read it. It still sucks. I’m not saying your views suck, Roco, but as I said above: “Your argument, your tone and the way you worded your argument did suck.” Treat people with a little more respect, and you’ll be treated with respect too.
Just relax man. Don’t be dick-ish in the way you treat people and you won’t get called on it.
We’re gonna be like two little Fonzies here. And what’s Fonzie like? He’s cooooool!
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
Ohhhh ok I gotcha..You were saying that by my comments I came off dickish,and that’s what sucks. if HeWIZARD feels I came across dickish,dude that’s my bad. I may have been Amped up about the Suckey comparison (Because I do not like the guy),but I wasn’t pissed,and I in no way meant to be a dick head with my comments. My bad guys.
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