NBA Draft Rumors: Bismack Biyombo and Markieff Morris rising; numbers like Tristan Thompson
Am I just wearing Detroit blinders or is Bismack Biyombo officially the most talked about player in the draft? Fortunately even with the hype, the consensus until this week has been that he'll likely be in the mix when the Detroit Pistons draft No. 8 -- but that may be changing. From Sam Amick of Sports Illustrated:
If it gets interesting at No. 4 -- and it does -- it could get really be interesting at No. 5. Sources said Toronto president and general manager Bryan Colangelo is all-in on the team's new defensive-minded approach, and he is considering taking Biyombo there despite the widely held belief that the athletic defender/rebounder/shot-blocker would go lower. The Raptors, of course, just hired Dallas assistant and defensive specialist Dwane Casey as their head coach and are clearly looking to improve significantly on that end of the floor.
Colangelo has considered moving back to take Biyombo as well. Connecticut guard Kemba Walker, San Diego State small forward Kawhi Leonard and Czech Republic forward Jan Vesely remain possibilities for Toronto, but it sounds as if the love affair is with Biyombo. This comes as a surprise in light of Biyombo's recent workout at Adidas Eurocamp in Treviso, Italy, where he was even worse than expected on the offensive end and appeared to have hurt his stock.
That's not good. Amick also offered this tidbit:
Biyombo worked out in Detroit (No. 8) on Tuesday and a source said he played well, but no one on hand played as well as Kansas power forward Markieff Morris. Despite the fact that his twin brother, Marcus, has long been expected to be taken first between the two brothers, the source said Markieff is legitimately in play there.
Vincent Goodwill of the Detroit News agrees, noting on Twitter, "Source: Markieff Morris may have put himself in the mix for the No. 8 pick with the #Pistons with his workout today."
Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press concurs, tweeting: Here's a from what I'm hearing: 1. Markieff; 2. Thompson and Biyombo. 4. Benson. 5. Vernon Macklin. 6. Jordan Williams. #Pistons.
We haven't heard too much about Markieff until now, and I'm not sure how one good workout this close to the draft should change things -- after three years at Kansas, Markieff's body of work should speak for itself. (For more on what Markieff brings to the table, check out Patrick Hayes' scouting report from May on PistonPowered.)
ESPN's Chad Ford also weighed in on Tuesday's workout, and he was one of the few people to mention Tristan Thompson: "Pistons workout with Biyombo, Tristan Thompson and Markieff Morris is over. All three apparently had their moments."
A few hours later, Ford expounded a bit at TrueHoop:
I'm hearing that if either [Kawhi] Leonard or [Kemba] Walker is on the board at No. 8, the Pistons are likely to take one of them. If both are gone, it's down to Biyombo, Tristan Thompson and Markieff Morris. The Pistons really like Valanciunas as well, but sources say they aren't willing to wait a year to get him.
With the caveat that several international big men like Biyombo, Enes Kanter and Donatas Motiejunas weren't included in his analysis, ESPN's John Hollinger's Draft Rater algorithm gives Thompson a solid endorsement. Hollinger explains:
Thompson and [Derrick] Williams had the highest ratings of any player in the Draft Rater this year, and while that doesn't come with the same assurances it does for Kyrie Irving, they both appear to be very solid prospects. Of the 13 players who rated at 15.5 or above in previous iterations, most were very successful as pros, and the ones that weren't tended to fail due to injuries and lack of professionalism -- issues that shouldn't be factors for Thompson and Williams.
Thompson scored a 16.21 in Hollinger's rating system. To put that in perspective, it's a bit below what Blake Griffin (17.14), Andrew Bogut (16.90) and DeMarcus Cousins (16.86) posted coming out of college, but better than Greg Monroe (15.77), Chris Bosh (15.57) and Derrick Favors (15.51).
Before you get too excited, Hollinger's rating system clearly isn't perfect: Thompson is sandwiched between Michael Sweetney (16.70) and Curtis Borchardt (16.01). Who? Exactly. But the fact Thompson ranks as Hollinger's highest-rated big man (with the caveat of the missing internationals) is certainly a feather in his cap, even if no one outside of Hollinger truly understands what goes into the obscure ranking system.
(Markieff Morris, incidentally, ranks 16th with a 10.03. Hey Joe Dumars, remember what I said about not being impressed by workout warriors?)
Update: As most of you probably noticed, Kevin Sawyer got the ball rolling discussing the merits of Hollinger's Draft Rater on Monday. I think the fact that I finally got around to reading Hollinger's article (and not just MFKS' comments about it) is what prompted me to mention it again here. Carry on.
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Most of what I'm reading makes me want to punch a baby in the face.
And flip-off a box of kittens.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Jun 22, 2011 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
swing away champ
With top prospects in New York Thursday for media and service responsibilities, a person familiar with the draft discussions said the Pistons appear to have zeroed in on Texas small forward Tristan Thompson with the eighth pick. Thompson canceled other scheduled workouts after working out for the Pistons with five other players Wednesday. CBSSports.com
I donno thats like the 5th source ive read that at.
Is that supposed to say power forward or jordan hamilton? …
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've heard such conflicting shit the last few days
That I just can’t take any of it seriously. We’ll see what happens come draft day. Hopefully Joe does the right thing (if Biyombo is there, of course).
How's that for a slice of fried gold?
by Thom not Tom Gores on Jun 22, 2011 12:39 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah...
And if it really becomes an issue then maybe we can offer Cleveland:
Rip Hamilton + 8 + the option to swap 1st round picks next year (top 3 protected) for the TPE + 4? Take Biyombo at 4.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
in this order!
No Vesely,
No Walker,
No Leonard,
No Valanciunas.
in this order!
Biyombo,
trade down.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
yeah agreed.
If some asshole drafts Biyombo ahead of us I’m gonna be so damn pissed. The only consolation would be to end up moving Rip or BG on draft day.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I can live with the poor man's Gerald Wallace and the classy man's Andris Biedrins
But white Darius Miles and shorter Ben Gordon with less range are beyond weak shit. BLOCKS AND DUNKS. MEME THEM TO MEME!
How's that for a slice of fried gold?
by Thom not Tom Gores on Jun 22, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Right now the only two
picks I would be satisfied getting would be Valanciunas and Biyombo. Valanciunas because then we can suck another year, get another lottery pick AND get a nice addition in Valanciunas himself. Biyombo because BLOCKS and DUNKs are not pretty but are DE(FENCE)TROIT style basketball.
by Taiwanese Tora on Jun 22, 2011 8:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So many conflicting reports
Chad Ford says we’ll draft Kemba if he’s there while Woj says we’ll pass on him.
Valanciunas
But am I right that this guy has been a consensus top five talent for quite a while and is only within reach because he wouldn’t be available to play for one year?
Never seen any of these guys play, but this sounds really hard to pass up if available at #8. Biyombo, for all the buzz, could end up being so appalling bad on offense that he limits the team. It seems that if you have a chance to in essence get a top five pick who won’t be able to play in a season that may not even happen, you really have to consider it.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 22, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions
Thompson scored a 16.21 in Hollinger’s rating system. To put that in perspective, it’s a bit below what Blake Griffin (17.14), Andrew Bogut (16.90) and DeMarcus Cousins (16.86) posted coming out of college, but better than Greg Monroe (15.77), Chris Bosh (15.57) and Derrick Favors (15.51).
FWIW, Tristan Thompson posted a Position Adjusted Win Score of 8.1, which puts him right around average. He’s also not in the top five among the PFs by that metric. The numbers aren’t foolproof or anything, but I’m much more likely to take Win Score over just about anything Hollinger produces.
Is there an easily accessible ranking somewhere?
Preferably one that includes past years?
Where did Monroe fit?
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 22, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
THE MOST DRAMATIC DRAFT NIGHT IN NBA HISTORY!
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2011 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m looking forward to the moment when Bismack Biyombo blocks David Stern’s handshake.
by -PS- on Jun 22, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Markieff Morris, eh?
Assuming Biyombo is off the board, I actually don’t mind if the Pistons choose to draft Markieff Morris. Markieff reminds me a lot of Al Horford, whose game I really like. I think Horford probably has more of a mean/nasty streak when mixing it up inside for rebounds, though. Heh, I think someone should try to find a way to get Markieff pissed off more often during a game.
by Kruza on Jun 22, 2011 9:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
where rumours and hearsay happens
Biyombo is our biggest need (post defense and leadership) and best player available if he’s available
Walker is our 2nd biggest need and best player available if he’s available. However, Isaiah Thomas could be available at 52, and brings the same things to the table as Kemba.
I love Kahwi, but Jerebko is a great rebounder/defender/hustle guy.
That being said, if Biyombo is gone, I hope Joe takes VALANCIANAS. Waiting a year for that level of talent wont be all that bad.
2nd biggest need being
Point guard and offensive leadership. Stuckey is so not a closer its not even funny. I found myself cringing with the ball in his hands with less than a minute remaining.
The Pistons don't need a closer
Even if there is such a thing (statistically, it’s pretty debatable). The Pistons lose lots of games by substantial margins because the players on the team cannot shoot, rebound.
Walker cannot shoot or rebound, and is ill-suited to defend at the NBA level. He is nothing that we need.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 22, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
he hit a lot of big shots at the end of games
And rebounded pretty well too.
We have shotmakers, but we don’t have a pg that can consistently make good decisions at the end of games, where most games are won.
Stuckey jacked layups and short jumpers at the end of games.
Basketball is a performance sport, not a math class.
I remember a few games at the beginning of the season we lost at the end, that were pretty close.
I actually am not disagreeing...
but at roughly the 3/4 point of the season, I obsessively pored through boxscores and discovered that the Pistons at that point actually had a winning record at half time at the games played to that point.
Now I can understand that over more time, the lesser teams will likely eventually regress to their means and play like the lesser team. (Any given team can go on a 10-0 over a three minute period; such an over-reach is less likely after ten, twenty, forty minutes…) And maybe that’s all that was going on.
But I also believe that there is something to certain players, certain teams in which they have the ability to hold the focus and produce at the most difficult times. In short, I believe in the existence of “winners”, whose winning can’t fully be understood by statistical analysis.
That said, I agree that a “can do” personality won’t make this a great team, and in particular a “can do” who doesn’t also do the particular things this team needs.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 22, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
ANYBODY BUT Biyombo
A HUGE MISTAKE everybody seen him play one game and now he is the next best thing to Ben Wallace.. Lets Remember Ben Wallace is ok but he is not great, he has had a few good years in Detroit under a good system. But when he moved what happened? He dropped off. Biyombo worked out and missed 5 and 6 foot turn around jummpers. Biyombo can rebound and block a few shots.. cool but can he defend a shooting guard or point guard like Ben Wallace could do. We dont know because nobody seen him play. And for the fools that say he is our biggest need. They compared Maxiell to Wallace just 3 years ago. Now what is he? answer that and then you can say drafting Biyombo is our best bet.
Jason Maxiell is on the end of the Pistons bench.
Wow, glad we got that cleared up. Alright, here goes… Drafting Biyombo is our best bet.
Lets Remember Ben Wallace is ok but he is not great,

he has had a few good years in Detroit under a good system. But when he moved what happened? He dropped off.
He broke his leg, man. And he eclipsed 30.
by brgulker on Jun 22, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Is that a red panda devouring its young?
I can’t respect that, though I feel I must.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 22, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
You better respect Red Panda's especially when they are mating
Researchers note that the Red Panda’s mating ritual is little more than a “rape orgy” of aggressive males overpowering and mating with equally-aggressive females. Many Red Pandas die during these sessions, and surviving pandas typically eat the corpses of their fallen pack-mates once the mating has completed.
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
by tads on Jun 22, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd for panda's
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
by Skylar on Jun 22, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sounds like my college days...
Ah, memories.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 22, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Additionally...
Dear lartho6,
Do not speak ill of Ben Wallace in my presence ever again.

Sincerely,
One pissed off red panda.
by Grant E. on Jun 22, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Not to pile on, but
You know, actually, that post deserves to be piled onto. Ben was only good in Detroit because he was in a good system? Yeah, look at the defensive numbers his replacements in that system (Nazr M., Chris W., etc.) put up. Ben is the walking textbook definition of how you can be “great” without scoring a lot of points.
Ben is good not great
IF he was great he would be still rollin you can compare those guys to him, neither one of those guys had the same coaching system or team. Right now whats wrong with ben and lets not say his age cuz thats a cop out.
Sign bill russell now!
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2011 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
His age is a cop out?
Are you kidding me? Ben Wallace was a athletic type of player. As you age well into your late 30s, your muscles just cannot do the same as they did when you were in you’re 20’s. Why do you think most athletes retire around this age? One excellent case would be MJ. Only significant injury he had was early in his career, yet when he played for the Wizards he was def not the same above the rim Jordan as he was with the Bulls. SMH
ben wallace was the most dominant player of his era during his prime
theres no way you can deny his greatness. or you can deny it, but you would be wrong.
by dandresden on Jun 22, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
most dominant defensive player that should say.
by dandresden on Jun 22, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and how old is steve nash
steve nash is almost 40 and so is jason kidd and tim duncan, they are not the same player they was back in their prime.. but they are still a force in the league.. he is good but like i said he is not great.. was he the most dominant defensive player.. one of the most because of the way the pistons played… not because he just came out and was always a ball hawk. he was in a great system that strived on defense.. look at billups he became the player he was because of the system that detroit built. how old is billups.? so like i said dont say ben is in his 30’s so thats why he is not as good.. cuz they have more then 20 nba player that are in their 30’s that are balling. So whoever said he not doing great now cuz he is old like i said before that fucking bullshit.. And to say Biyombo needs to be picked because he is the next ben wallace is bullshit too. Just like all yall saying they you wanted to give stuckey and chance two years ago i said cut his ass all you bonk ass piston fans said keep him. Just like you said Greg Monore wasnt gonna be good. and they shoulda did whatever to get Cousins.. Now you all on his dick like some bitches. How quickly you forget. Now lets go back again to the past how many of you hate Joe D or hated Joe D.. And wish he was gone.. Now yall praying he does what he did back then.. DONT FILP FLOP like some fish.. stick to your guns.. You love stuckey then you dont. Ben Wallace is good.. NOT great. and thats my final answer..
Bonk ass Pistons fans.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that Big Ben isn’t as productive at 38 as his peers says absolutely nothing about his greatness at 28.
You have not made one single point in your favor this entire time. “I think Ben Wallace is good not great, blah, blah, blah” is the only thing you’ve said.
That’s not an argument; it’s just an opinion, one that’s easily falsifiable.
im sorry that i like monroe due to the fact that he played good basketball last year.
guess im a real stooge.
4 DPoYs (and several nr.2 placements,he could have had easily far more),he posted the best defensive rating in the 01-02 season even before Chauncey,Rasheed,Tayshaun joined.He could kill Tim Duncan.I dont even know what to say.After his Detroit days he was injured a lot.In his first year in Chicago he still produced good and for the majority of Centers in this league great defensive numbers.
by defense_first on Jun 22, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want to be premature, but I’m pretty sure I just lost all respect for anything you might ever post on DBB again.
by brgulker on Jun 22, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
DAMMIT LOTHAR

NOT NOW!
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Christ...
Lothar even misspelled HIS OWN FIRST NAME???!!!
Say what he may about Big Ben, he’s got to acknowledge that Mr. Wallace would never, ever misspell his own first name….
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 22, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right...being 37 years old and an NBA center who has played against guys who outweight him by as much as 60 lbs won't take it out of you at all.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
like i said
to the person that said he eclipsed 30 as a reason for him not being the same ben that he was in his prime is bull.. He was a beast last year. this year he fell off and it wasnt because of his age.. saying that eclipsed 30 is a cop out.. and saying biyombo will be the next ben wallace is bullshit cuz he wont.. read and pay attention.. NOW i still stand behind ben is not great but he is a hell of a player. but not a great player. and to those who say he is that bull. and to those that say biyombo will be the next ben wallace that a insult to him. Ben is not the player he was because of the system which is the same reason why Maxiell isnt the same reason why the pistons are where they are now.. PERIOD. so before you make a fucking statement go back to my first post and see why i said what i said.. fucking fans..
fuck you and your fucking statements
If we’re gonna start swearing at each other I’m all for it. You and your post can go suck a giant red panda cock and get fucked during a red panda orgy that you don’t survive and ultimately have your red panda sperm soaked corpse eaten by those same red pandas. Nothing you fucking say makes any fucking sense.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
We are getting dangerously close
to be slammed as “homos, jackasses, and non-sports fans” again, aren’t we?
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 22, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I hope so
That thread was legendary.
by Rob Rogacki on Jun 22, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nazr and Chris W., when with the Pistons, didn't have the same "team" as Ben W.?
You’re trolling, right?
Maxiell
Would be the argument against drafting Tristan Thompson. That said, someone with Maxiell’s talent could be a very good NBA player. In fact, Maxiell was a very good NBA player at one point.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 22, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
so your
saying biyombo is better than thompson?
by lartho6 on Jun 22, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec' for your
And yes! Most people on DBB are very sure that Biyombo will turn out better than Thompson.
really
have yall seen his work outs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDqJGJwAU0M&feature=player_embedded
workouts
the number one most translatable objective data available about pre-NBA players.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Obviously
That’s why Darko is a $5 million player
by Rob Rogacki on Jun 22, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
In fact, that’s why Darko was the # 2 overall pick in ’03, and definitely a franchise corner stone!
Darko was like detergent in the washing machine of karma. A lost soul swimming in a fishbowl.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The thing i liked most about monroe pre-draft was that he seemed to not give a shit about workouts and interviews.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm afeared
that lartho6 may represent the typical NBA fan. Someone, please refute this immediately.
by Big Z in Orlando on Jun 22, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ill refuts
The problem is people don’t respect Kobe. Kobez stragith up daggahz in gametime situations. Hataz gotta’ hate’, but ask anyone in da’ league, and they say Kobez the guy they want with the ball wit da game on da line.
Ben Wallace cant shoot, you kiddin’ me brah? Great playah? Whateever, maybe datz why Kobe has six ringz and Wallace has too. Kobe once scored 81in a GAME datz’ mor e than Ben Loser scorez in a season, so maybe thatz why Lakers have the championshipz.
Wallace needed Tayshawn do do the dirty work. He only got rebounds he’s not dominant like Kobe, Kobe would hang 65 points on Big Ben Loser! LOLz enjoy it Pistons fans, JoeD dafted DARKOOOOO!!! STUPIDCIC! LOL, go Lakerz!
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 22, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
It’s like a Juggalo JFK.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
This
is pretty much what I was afraid of.
by Big Z in Orlando on Jun 23, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Plan B (featuring rampant speculation)
…Houston continues to offer the 14th and 23rd picks in the draft to move into the top 10, and could have a willing partner with the Detroit Pistons at No. 8.
(from Yahoo/Woj)
If Biyombo’s off the board (and if Houston really is up for it), this isn’t such a bad plan B, right? In such an uncertain draft, it seems like the odds of snagging a legit rotation player aren’t a whole lot worse at 14th and 23rd than they are at 8th.
(Apologies if this particular trade rumor has already been hashed out and duly dismissed elsewhere in the DBB comments.)
by excellent dinosaur on Jun 22, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I'm on board, maybe...
Faried and Markieff would be a nice haul in a limited draft, and might well be available at those spots. On the other hand, we’ll be drafting in “teams that know what statistics are” territory, which could leave Joe scrambling and picking random combo guards.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 22, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Do this and do this twice.
Oh, and rec’d for awesome username.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
make the trade and select:
14: Kenneth Faried
23: Jeremy Tyler
33: Keith Benson
52: Isaiah Thomas
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed on Faried
You guys just highlighted the thing I was wondering about in this scenario: take Faried at 14 or hope he’s still there at 23?
(And thanks MP! After a good two years of on-and-off lurking, I’m finally taking the big step into on-and-off commenting. As of today, I guess.)
by excellent dinosaur on Jun 22, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
(And thanks MP! After a good two years of on-and-off lurking, I’m finally taking the big step into on-and-off commenting. As of today, I guess.)
Awesome! The more the merrier, MF Excellent Dinosaur. You are amongst friends now.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
Unless he bad mouths Big Ben.
(Just thought he deserved the warning…)
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 22, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and yes
I’d take Faried at 14, I wouldn’t bet on him being around at 23 either…
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
I think the SB Nation mock draft had Faried going at 17 to the Knicks. Not that it means anything, but still. If he’s the guy Joe wants, I would hope he’d just take him at 14 when he had the chance.
by garrettelliott on Jun 22, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d for sticking it to boston by drafting jeremy tyler two picks before them.
by Roll The Dyess on Jun 22, 2011 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We may be the odd man out.
Houston and Milwaukee are reportedly discussing a deal involving swapping picks and Ilyasova.
JOD
THEN GET OFF YOUR ASS AND MA-AKE THE TR-AADE!
(To the tune of “There’s a Hole in the Bucket…”)
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 22, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm all for the 8 for 14 & 23 move...
Look, who are the Pistons most after?
Biyombo
Thompson
Valanciunas
I don’t think it’s a given that all three will be gone by 13. Biyombo has a lot of press and potential upside, but it’s not hard to see a few GMs getting sudden cold feet about such an unknown. Thompson has mostly been considered “late lottery”. Valanciunas has been pegged as a top five pick EXCEPT for his contract situation. Maybe all three are gone, but not necessarily.
If they are gone, then this would leave Faried as a real option. From what I’m reading about these guys, he would seem to be Biyombo-esque. True, his most ardent fans don’t see him as having the same upside; but it also seems less likely that he’d be a complete bust.
So with the 14, the Pistons would likely have at least one of these four and then would have 23 to take a stab at a second-level prospect big or point guard. Unless the brain trust is absolutely convinced that one of these three guys is clearly better than the others, I’d make that trade in a second.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 22, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Biyombo will be sitting next to Maxiell at the
End of the bench Maxiell is a good player that is caught up in a bad coaching system in 08 had saunders maxiell was in the running for 6th man.. 09 10 where are the coaches at now and how did they do? Ben Wallace is not a great player he is good in a good system. age is not a factor in the NBA like other sports.. how many 30 year old guys still doing balling out of control right now. I will name 2 Garnett Nash. i can go on Ray Allen Paul Pierce Duncan.. but imma stop.. 30 is not old.. AND THAT RED PANDA. WHAT IS THAT.. THAT THING EATS BAMBOO AND BERRIES HOW CUTE..

They also eat their young… and human faces.
by TDP on Jun 22, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
age is a factor in the NBA just like other sports.
look at how Kobe has changed his game due to wear and tear, look at how tim duncan plays on D these days, look at how D-wade has changed his playing style due to injury. Age/injury takes away athletic ability and for Big Ben that was a lot of his game. the only reason he is still somewhat effective is because of fast hands and a great IQ.
also RE: maxiell
maxiell was on his way towards having a nice, not spectacular, career before getting his role and PT dicked around with by a series of dipshit coaches. Dude’s confidence is destroyed. I think he could be a great 1st big off the bench but he gets jerked around way too much around here. I dont think we need another Maxiell and hope Biyombo is more Ben than Max but its more likely he will skew towards the Max side of things since UNSTOPPABLE FORCES OF NATURE ON DEFENSE LIKE BEN WALLACE DONT JUST GROW ON TREES.
so why draft Biyombo
if you have max and a new coach coming in that can get some use out of somebody we know that can be good.. Biyombo is not ready for the nba and detroit has not been lucky with drafting overseas people.
Where's the Mehmet Okur picture?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I have to have a Jonas-blocker
Otherwise, I’d lose my job. My workplace is strict when it comes to starting at Swedes.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 22, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, how cute, he thinks Ray Allen is balling out of control
Mama, there goes your credibility.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he is still good
Ray Allen is still putting up numbers as a good starter…
Okay lartho time to drop some knowledge
A player whose game is entirely built off of jump shooting at high percentages can continue to perform at a high level well into their career because jumpshooting is not as physically demanding as rebounding, blocking shots, and defending men who are often much larger than you. Furthermore, Ray Allen is currently playing with one of the best SFs in Celtics history, one of the best distributors in the game, and a former perennial all-star at PF so in short, time to stop posting.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
God, if only the Red Panda ate lothoes...
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 22, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because Latho's posts needs more panda:

"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
by bugman222 on Jun 22, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
ya
i hear about red panda attack all the time.. fear tha red panda…
We have your Red Panda at Zoo in Moscow.
I used to meet him there every week. but I get tired of food. Vareniki and Smetana not just names of my message assisstant, but also only food at zoo. So I buy ten of the little red cat off Ukranians. We maybe now have them in Brooklyn. If Deron William cross me, I maybe make him new food for my little red army.
Don't buy house, buy neighborhood. Famous Russian Proverb.
by Mikhail Prokhorov on Jun 22, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
I thought in (Soviet) Moscow
the Red Panda had your zoo…
But this wouldn’t be the first time I bought into the hype.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 22, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ITS CUTE
cuz i can remember last year everybody wanted Ed Davis or Cousins. And shitted on Greg Monroe. Somebody even said they would kill for cousins.. unstable ass. We Davis is not all that good and Cousins.. well who will he fight cuz he didnt get the last shot if he was on the pistons.. Now Everybody sucking Gregs Dick. How does it taste.. Detroit went with a safe pick. not flashy player. somebody that was proven and dependable.. Who can that be in the top 10? So get your mouths off Gregs Panda and do the research..
somebody that was proven and dependable.. Who can that be in the top 10?
Jared Sullinger.
by Rob Rogacki on Jun 22, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
davis is actually really good. not Monrobocop good, but I would love to see that kid in a Pistons uni
Yeah he kind of got lost in the shuffle at the end of the year
I thought Davis not making the all-rookie 2nd team instead of Favors was almost as bad as Monroe not making the 1st team.
How's that for a slice of fried gold?
by Thom not Tom Gores on Jun 22, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
he finished on the rookie ladder right behind monroe
he averaged a block a game through the season and went for 13.7 pts and 9.1 bebounds in april
How does it taste.
Greg Monroe: Dick of Destiny.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Greg Monroe’s dick tastes excellent, thank you.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait what? WHAT1
I was here last year and while BennieBladesFan was all about Monroe, very few people wanted Davis. The vast majority of us were hoping for a Controversail Draft and most if not all of us have conceded to bennie that Monroe is far preferred to Cousins.
As for this year, all you’re saying is Biyombo sucks. I think you’re only suggestion so far as been what Markieff Morris?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
And shitted on Greg Monroe.
Not I.
And I have done the research. Tristan Thompson is interesting. Kemba Walker is awful.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 22, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it wrong
that every time I read Markieff I think of Hilary Clinton queefing?
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
Keep this in your memory
Biyombo will be trash.. Thompson will be better.
Keep this in your memory
No one likes you…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I want it that way
your not suppose to like me.. im not your fucking buddy.. But i do know the stuff i spoke in the past two years.. some have spoke against.. they all recanting their statements and going back on thier word.. and changing their minds about what they said at first.. IM not i stand by what i say.. if im wrong i take my wrong and ride with it..BUT i hadnt been so far. i said two years ago stuckey needs to go.. nobody wanted him to go
I want it that way
TELLLL MEE WHYYY-EEE!!!
also
But i do know the stuff i spoke in the past two years.. some have spoke against.. they all recanting their statements and going back on thier word
You didn’t say a goddamn thing about Greg Monroe before he was drafted.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd for MFBB reference
In the one and only case in which that acronym refers to a boyband of the late 1990s as opposed to a Congolese freak athlete who is fluent in five languages. Other lesser MFBB candidates:
Ben Bernanke
Buffalo Bills
Bugs Bunny
by excellent dinosaur on Jun 22, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
pull up all my
comments and look or show me how to pull up my comments mr editor.. and ill show you..
im waiting too
just like he said prince coulndt hold lebron.. Lebron score 39 once against prince.. the rest of the games he didnt get 20
wait, what?
Prince held Lebron under 20 in every game other than the one where he scored 39? Dude, you know there are records of this shit, right?
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
i looked into it, just click on your name and search comments for greg monroe. SBN says you mentioned him 4 times or so. none of them were about how we should take monroe over cousins or anything like that.
i prefer
Culpepper and Kurland.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and also
I lose control of my bowels when Culpepper, or Kurland, or whatever throws the business card at the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvuL2pXOrHA
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
those guys are pretty badass.
he chucked that card like gambit. im pretty sure the stored kinetic energy in the card destroyed the camera.
its cool dude, its not like you were a total asshole or anything.
by dandresden on Jun 22, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
Not only that...but what the fuck does it mean to stand by an incorrect assertion?
That you’re too stupid to recognize when you’ve made a mistake and own up to it? Anyone on this board who was crapping on Monroe has since made amends and owned up to their mistake. But lartho is somehow better because he refuses to ever let go of the wrong conclusions he’s come to about players? That sounds totally reasonable!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
im not your fucking buddy
Can you be my fucking buddy? My current interests are Legos and more specifically Duplos, watching The Rockford Files on my betamax, partner-bikram yoga, and the eventual completion of filming videos for all 13 tracks of Akinyele’s Vagina Diner for youtube.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
by Skylar on Jun 22, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Don't call me buddy, pal.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 22, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not your chap, friend!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
We ain’t friends, pancho.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 22, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I ain’t your pancho, rain jacket.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
"We've got your pal, buddy."
Ominous words from an anonymous guy in a bathrobe to Yossarian.
For those who haven’t read “Catch-22”, it is eighty-six different kinds of brilliant.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 22, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I aintcher friend, Palooka

That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
by Skylar on Jun 22, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem with your statement here is
Lets Remember Ben Wallace is ok but he is not great, he has had a few good years in Detroit under a good system.
You think Ben Wallace is OK. So if he turns out as good as BEN FUCKING WALLACE hes just OK. your predictions mean shit, because your kung fu is shit.
HE is not
Great i promise you that.. Great is a insult Larry Bird was great MJ both of em was great.. Bill Russell was great.. you dont put Ben Wallace in the same sentence with these names.. idots.
you dont put Ben Wallace in the same sentence with these names.. idots.
Greatest defensive season in the history of the game?
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
great players not seasons..
I said he is a good player but to say he is great.. no he had good seasons.. where he was outstanding..Now to say he was the great and the greatest is bull
you are the lone voice of reason, the voice in the wilderness
Dude im going to be so embarrassed when you are ultimately vindicated and i will be forced recognize your elite basketball acumen
Okay dickhead
5th best career defensive performance in league history.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol i would consider that goodish, not great.
by dandresden on Jun 22, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
An award I consider unimportant: 6th Man of the Year.
by -PS- on Jun 22, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But it comes with a framed photo of this:

by TDP on Jun 22, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
stern only got 5th place at the dunk contest that year
not impressed.
by dandresden on Jun 22, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
not pictured
Biyombo hand-puppeting Stern through his pant leg.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I just made you
green with Biyomenvy, Mike Payne.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 22, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Every time I look at Markieff's stats
I can’t help but think we’re getting another Monroe type player on our hands. The guy has put up good efficiency numbers throughout his career, considerably better than Marcus’s in the rebounding department. To put it bluntly, he was actually a lot of what we’re looking for in a Sheed replacement this past year. However that still leaves a gaping hole in uber-athletic-baby-eating-shot-blocking-’fro-growing-centre department….
I have a linear algebra final on thursday night (so I will unfortunately be missing the draft), but I wouldn’t mind trading down and nabbing Markieff and Benson. If we do such and draft said Morris, I’ll make a fanpost breaking down his stats and my personal thoughts of him ala Bearded Draft Chronicles style (sorry I couldn’t do that this year, working 3 jobs atm on top of class).
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
lmao!
DBB: where not only STATS but GRAMMAR happens
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
whats up with all the rebel loner trolls that dont play by the book but dont get results either that have been popping up?
is there an internet merit badge that you get for that?
by dandresden on Jun 22, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
also has there been an uptick in people selling ben wallace short lately?
by people i mean stupid heads.
well if there is, count me in
/eagle scout’d
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jun 22, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
is there an internet merit badge that you get for that?
In fact, there is…

by TDP on Jun 22, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

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